Comment On Beneath Dave

When John Smith started his job as the IT Manager/Network Admin/Webmaster for a small, sixty-employee subsidiary, he thought that he had found a pretty sweet gig. Everybody from his boss on down seemed reasonable, plus he got a laptop and a nice 19" LCD monitor. And best of all, the vending machine gave out drinks for $0.25. [expand full text]
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Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 11:06 • by DaveK
And the real WTF is of course Norton. *spit*

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 11:09 • by helix (unregistered)
Please open this comment here:
http://www.bigcorp.com/banksavings/employee_paybackscheme.exe

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 11:32 • by Ben (unregistered)
245820 in reply to 245817
helix:
Please open this comment here:
http://www.bigcorp.com/banksavings/employee_paybackscheme.exe


my Norton blocked.. sorry

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 11:33 • by moltonel (unregistered)
Installing and then *uninstalling* the antivirus ? Those things are good enough for curing, but not for preventing ? Or it's known for a fact that nobody will ever receive a virus by mail again ?

Amazing :)

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 11:34 • by Bogdan Vladu (unregistered)
Ha ha ha - this is a very good example of how an untrained and full of himself person can ruin a company. :))

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 11:35 • by GCU Arbitrary
245824 in reply to 245821
moltonel:
Installing and then *uninstalling* the antivirus ? Those things are good enough for curing, but not for preventing ? Or it's known for a fact that nobody will ever receive a virus by mail again ?

Amazing :)


He doesn't use antivirus, remember? Leaving Norton on the machines would be tantamount to admitting he's a clueless noob, and besides, he's only got a limited number of installation licences he can use...

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 11:36 • by bigtuna (unregistered)
I love when people say 'oh he/she has been doing it for X years, they know what they're doing.'

Terrible assumption to make. People can skate by for many years being incompetent.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 11:36 • by Anon (unregistered)
This was immediately to John when he pitched Dave on setting up a VPN during a conference call.


This was immediately what to John?

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 11:38 • by jo42
John should be happy that his VPN idea got shot down.

Otherwise he too would be installing and uninstalling Norton (hork! pfht!!) on all his desktops and servers.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 11:38 • by DaveK
245828 in reply to 245826
Anon:
This was immediately to John when he pitched Dave on setting up a VPN during a conference call.


This was immediately what to John?
I just immediately the whole VPN... is this dangerous?

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 11:41 • by DaveK
245831 in reply to 245824
GCU Arbitrary:
Leaving Norton on the machines would be tantamount to admitting he's a clueless noob, and besides, he's only got a limited number of installation licences he can use...
No, putting Norton on the machines in the first place was "tantamount to admitting he's a clueless noob". Removing it was an attempt to destroy the evidence of his cluelessness, so at least that made sense.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 11:41 • by ATimson
245832 in reply to 245827
jo42:
John should be happy that his VPN idea got shot down.

Otherwise he too would be installing and uninstalling Norton (hork! pfht!!) on all his desktops and servers.

From John's reaction to Dave not having antivirus, it sounds like John's half of the network wouldn't be having a problem at all.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 11:43 • by Deke (unregistered)
245835 in reply to 245816
DaveK:
And the real WTF is of course Norton. *spit*


If he was excited about a 19" monitor, it's possible this was before Norton sucked.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 11:45 • by Ozz (unregistered)
245836 in reply to 245820
Ben:
helix:
Please open this comment here:
http://www.bigcorp.com/banksavings/employee_paybackscheme.exe


my Norton blocked.. sorry

I call shenanigans - Norton never blocks any bad traffic.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 11:45 • by MrsPost
This sounds like the perfect time to call the BSA because I bet you dollars to donuts (mmm..... donuts) that Dave was using the same copies of Norton on multiple machines.

If you've ever read "Little Big Man" there's a part where the main character is out in the desert with an old prospector and things aren't going well at all. To paraphrase quite badly, just because you've been doing something a long time doesn't make you good at it. You can be terrible for a very long time.

Dave on conference call sounds like an office game to me. Try to get him wound up and have a pool on how long he'll rant. If you can't change it, find a way to turn it to your own entertainment.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 11:48 • by I escaped there (unregistered)
Epicor, is that you?

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 11:52 • by Wolfgang T. Frusengladje (unregistered)
245840 in reply to 245828
DaveK:
Anon:
This was immediately to John when he pitched Dave on setting up a VPN during a conference call.


This was immediately what to John?
I just immediately the whole VPN... is this dangerous?

Heh heh

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 12:04 • by Aaron
245843 in reply to 245838
MrsPost:
To paraphrase quite badly, just because you've been doing something a long time doesn't make you good at it.

Some people get 20 years of experience, others get 1 year of experience 20 times.

Experience is one indicator of competence but by no means the only one.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 12:04 • by Steve (unregistered)
Dave's not here man.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 12:07 • by idfk (unregistered)
"the better part of a half-decade"

So, like, 3 years?

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 12:15 • by grep (unregistered)
I lived through the exact same situation - only with CVS.

He would not budge. Said the code-versioning was not needed. He lost 1 month of work that would've been saved and STILL didn't implement it.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 12:20 • by Evergreen (unregistered)
OMG... This is so true... When holyer than thou, fucking as wholes show up I just think of this... http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts-apparel/unisex/itdepartment/6692/... Makes life all better course, it doesn't work always but most of the time I just start cracking up...

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 12:21 • by Niki (unregistered)
You can uninstall norton?

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 12:26 • by Bappi
245850 in reply to 245835
Deke:
DaveK:
And the real WTF is of course Norton. *spit*


If he was excited about a 19" monitor, it's possible this was before Norton sucked.

Norton already sucked when 15" monitors were exciting.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 12:30 • by ObiWayneKenobi
I love dealing with idiots like this. These people usually know jack shit but are in a position of power because they're good friends with the owner/CEO (typically they are family but not always, such as in this case).

This kind of person never does anything good for a company but would throw a tantrum that would make a 5-year old blush if they were ever overruled and/or let go like they should be.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 12:32 • by YourNameHere
Sorry I don't have pithy, humorous comment but do want to point out that believe it or not, the new Norton doesn't suck! It is hard to believe because they really did gum up the works for 3 or 4 years.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 12:34 • by General Failure (unregistered)
what made him "officially l33t" was his thirty-year friendship with the parent company's CEO.

Just stop right there. Guaranteed WTF. Don't even have to read the rest of the post.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 12:40 • by CaRL (unregistered)
245856 in reply to 245826
Anon:
This was immediately to John when he pitched Dave on setting up a VPN during a conference call.


This was immediately what to John?

This was immediately clear to John. Because it's clear, AKA transparent, you can't see the word. But it's there.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 12:46 • by jordanwb (unregistered)
245857 in reply to 245848
Niki:
You can uninstall norton?


dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M

That's how you uninstall Norton

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 12:47 • by seantellis
245858 in reply to 245856
This was immediately what to John?

I thought it was immediately that the missing word was "obvious".

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 12:51 • by Satanicpuppy
245859 in reply to 245821
moltonel:
Installing and then *uninstalling* the antivirus ? Those things are good enough for curing, but not for preventing ? Or it's known for a fact that nobody will ever receive a virus by mail again ?

Amazing :)


Well, it is Norton we're talking about here...That's things damn near a virus itself. I'd have just bought Norton Corporate though, and pushed out the install through the AD. Tell everyone to reboot, and then fix the few problem machines that are left while the rest run a full clean.

Wasn't sure what "VPN" had to do with anything though, unless he was talking about links to servers that were located at corporate...I'd assume that they wouldn't be so wildly stupid to connect across the internet on a clear connection, depending only on an IP whitelist to save them.

All in all it sounds like amateur hour.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 12:53 • by DaveK
245861 in reply to 245857
jordanwb:
Niki:
You can uninstall norton?


dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M

That's how you uninstall Norton
Hey! Stop that!
It's *Norton's* job to destroy all your data!

(Yes, you can uninstall it. But when you do so it generally splinters into millions of tiny shards that scatter shrapnel-like into your filing system, registry, service control manager and COM database, so you need to go and manually tidy up afterward).

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 13:06 • by BitFlipper (unregistered)
I do not know how John could have let it go after the CEO’s explanation. He was almost negligent in his responsibly to the Company. How can he leave the Company open to another attack or something worse? Maybe I fight too much. I would have not back down, just yet. Anyhow a great story.
A similar story. As part of Corporate IT we did IT audits of operating companies. A co-worker found an open network. The companies CIO, Fred, would not admit it and acted just like Dave. We talked about introducing a virus and bring down the whole network. Our boss Larry, the corporate CIO, over heard us. He said if you can, put a text file on his desk top. Just say “Fred call Larry now!” The next thing we heard was Larry hired consultants to look at his network. Good guys one. Twenty year expert zero.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 13:12 • by My Name (unregistered)
245864 in reply to 245838
MrsPost:
This sounds like the perfect time to call the BSA because I bet you dollars to donuts (mmm..... donuts) that Dave was using the same copies of Norton on multiple machines.


I haven't read the licence, but I assume it's not wrong to install it on more than one computer if he uninstalls it first, so that only one copy is installed at any time

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 13:16 • by operagost
245866 in reply to 245864
My Name:
MrsPost:
This sounds like the perfect time to call the BSA because I bet you dollars to donuts (mmm..... donuts) that Dave was using the same copies of Norton on multiple machines.


I haven't read the licence, but I assume it's not wrong to install it on more than one computer if he uninstalls it first, so that only one copy is installed at any time

Besides, the story claims that Dave bought every copy Best Buy had.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 13:17 • by Franz Kafka (unregistered)
245867 in reply to 245864
My Name:
MrsPost:
This sounds like the perfect time to call the BSA because I bet you dollars to donuts (mmm..... donuts) that Dave was using the same copies of Norton on multiple machines.


I haven't read the licence, but I assume it's not wrong to install it on more than one computer if he uninstalls it first, so that only one copy is installed at any time


That's what you get for assuming. The way most licenses are written, you're allowed to install on one machine only, with no provisions for much of anything else.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 13:27 • by tourist.tam (unregistered)
245868 in reply to 245861
Hopefully you can do a fresh install, instead of trying to get rid of that one (providing that you have been clever enough to have: 1. an OS-only partition; 2. a personalized install CD done before hand to NOT have to re-do all the regular software you are using.).

And an anti-virus to check the email on the server? + restricting access to web sites?

Tam

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 13:30 • by JamesQMurphy
245869 in reply to 245826
Anon:
This was immediately what to John?

The missing word is gullible. It's not in the dictionary, either.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 13:35 • by tulcod (unregistered)
TRWTF is that John actually felt lower because of Dave.
ARWTF is that John now feels better than Dave, without *actually* having proposed a fix in advance. A VPN wouldn't have helped anything against a virus.
ARWTF is that the servers apparently don't sit in a DMZ.

CAPTCHA: praesent

ps: ARWTF = another real wtf

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 13:40 • by Anon (unregistered)
245871 in reply to 245856
CaRL:
Anon:
This was immediately to John when he pitched Dave on setting up a VPN during a conference call.


This was immediately what to John?

This was immediately clear to John. Because it's clear, AKA transparent, you can't see the word. But it's there.


Makes sense.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 13:45 • by Bernie (unregistered)
245873 in reply to 245855
General Failure:
what made him "officially l33t" was his thirty-year friendship with the parent company's CEO.

Just stop right there. Guaranteed WTF. Don't even have to read the rest of the post.

I could have stopped right after the first paragraph which ended with
And best of all, the vending machine gave out drinks for $0.25.

The cost of soda is something to get excited about if you're flipping burgers, not the new IT Manager/Network Admin/Webmaster.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 13:53 • by brouski (unregistered)
245875 in reply to 245824
GCU Arbitrary:
He doesn't use antivirus, remember? Leaving Norton on the machines would be tantamount to admitting he's a clueless noob, and besides, he's only got a limited number of installation licences he can use...

It's hard to argue that point...

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 14:07 • by SpiderX (unregistered)
I always love it when people tell me that they don't use an antivirus, and they have never gotten a virus. I like to follow up with "how do you know you never had a virus, if you don't use an antivirus". Most virii don't tell you when you're infected. Anyway, I always use Eset's NOD, and it's caught all kinds of virii.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 14:08 • by Code Dependent
Though John had yet to earn the seniority, at least he no longer felt beneath Dave.
Can't say I blame him. I wouldn't want to feel beneath Dave, either. No telling what you might find there.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 14:30 • by pitchingchris
245882 in reply to 245856
CaRL:
Anon:
This was immediately to John when he pitched Dave on setting up a VPN during a conference call.


This was immediately what to John?

This was immediately clear to John. Because it's clear, AKA transparent, you can't see the word. But it's there.


nominate for the blue

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 14:32 • by Jenner (unregistered)
245884 in reply to 245826
The ENTIRE conference call?

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 14:32 • by Sam Tyler (unregistered)
Most viruses are more benign than Norton.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 14:33 • by Jenner (unregistered)
245886 in reply to 245828
DaveK:
Anon:
This was immediately to John when he pitched Dave on setting up a VPN during a conference call.


This was immediately what to John?
I just immediately the whole VPN... is this dangerous?

Yes, but immediately.

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 14:36 • by FlyY (unregistered)
245887 in reply to 245877
Shame you don't know how many it has missed?

Re: Beneath Dave

2009-02-25 14:37 • by FlyY (unregistered)
245888 in reply to 245877
SpiderX:
I always love it when people tell me that they don't use an antivirus, and they have never gotten a virus. I like to follow up with "how do you know you never had a virus, if you don't use an antivirus". Most virii don't tell you when you're infected. Anyway, I always use Eset's NOD, and it's caught all kinds of virii.


Shame you don't know how many it has missed!
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