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When it comes time for month-end, quarter-end, and year-end, accounts will tend to display a wide range of emotions, from cranky to flustered to downright belligerent. Nothing – and I mean nothing –is more important than getting than getting accurate financials out on time. After all, without those reports, the executives would have no idea whether they should take credit for a good period or if they need to find someone to blame for poor performance. [expand full text]
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Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 09:13 • by Caffeine (unregistered)
But he didn't change anything. He clearly just appended. Other acceptable non-changes include deletion and replacement. I am struggling to remember the last time I believed a 'i haven't changed a thing response'.

Captcha: Facilisi. Fallacy perhaps?

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 09:14 • by SSDD (unregistered)
Herb is a total idiot.

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 09:22 • by Anonymous (unregistered)
First rule of debugging: Look at source control, see what changed.

Second rule of debugging: Always assume what other developers tell you is pure bullshit. Look at the code and see for yourself.

No source control? Then you failed the first rule of software development: Always use source control.

If I had a dime for every time I heard, "that interface method never does X," but then it turns out that sometimes it really does do X (and even Y, Z, and washes your windows), I'd have a handful of dimes.

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 09:23 • by DOA
"What, Herb? Oh, no I didn't change anything. Can't log on you say... no idea. It says your password is incorrect? I certainly didn't change it, just added a couple of characters at the end."

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 09:31 • by Code Dependent
Mike also learned a very different definition for the word “change” that day.
Hopefully, here's how he learned it.

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 09:31 • by bored (unregistered)
282820 in reply to 282814
Herb is smoking the herb.

We use source control here, <a href="http://thedailywtf.com/Articles/The-Source-Control-Shingle.aspx">this</a> kind. Works well for small teams :)

captcha: capio - Were those not a brand of jeans in the 80's?

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 09:52 • by morry (unregistered)
"My team has been doing reconciliations on these numbers for a week now!"

"noticed a three-day old comment at the top"

Something don't add up here. And Herb needs an atomic wedgie.



Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 09:55 • by Lars Vargas
Herb's Boss: We're not going to change anything, so we've decided to let you go. Please pack your things.

Herb: But you said there would be no changes.

Herb's Boss: Exactly. That's why we're firing you. No changes.

Herb: Peaches is not going to be happy.

Maybe Herb is a VCS

2009-08-20 09:58 • by HVS (unregistered)
CHANGE = Modify line
DELETE = Remove line
ADD = Insert line

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 10:03 • by Anon (unregistered)
282833 in reply to 282828
morry:
"My team has been doing reconciliations on these numbers for a week now!"

"noticed a three-day old comment at the top"

Something don't add up here. And Herb needs an atomic wedgie.




They might have been fine the first couple of days.

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 10:04 • by lolwtf
I didn't know accounts could show emotions.

[post attempt 3]

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 10:14 • by SR (unregistered)
282836 in reply to 282834
lolwtf:
I didn't know accounts could show emotions.

[post attempt 3]


My accounts tend to weep openly.

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 10:20 • by Anonymous (unregistered)
Will:
Well a real wtf article on thedailywtf.....
Cool after the almost 2 weeks...


No kidding... long wait.

CAPTCHA: DAMNUM

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 10:22 • by Bill Clinton is the Man (unregistered)
I learned that (Herb === aTotalDick)

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 10:31 • by Anonymous (unregistered)
TRWTF is that the guy was allowed to change code directly on a production server, without passing through Dev/QA first. Especially on something as critical as accounting.

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 10:38 • by Anon (unregistered)
It's like you opened a portal to my life

Re: Maybe Herb is a VCS

2009-08-20 10:39 • by Lo (unregistered)
282841 in reply to 282832
HVS:

CHANGE = Modify line
DELETE = Remove line
ADD = Insert line

Well, when you append some text to a file, don't you think the file has changed?

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 10:43 • by aBase (unregistered)
282842 in reply to 282836
SR:
lolwtf:
I didn't know accounts could show emotions.

[post attempt 3]


My accounts tend to weep openly.
I imagine their tears are outputted diffusely, as that's accounts' way.

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 10:45 • by Hubert Humphrey (unregistered)
282843 in reply to 282839
It's a mid-sized non-software company. They probably don't have this fabled "QA" that you speak of.

Anonymous:
TRWTF is that the guy was allowed to change code directly on a production server, without passing through Dev/QA first. Especially on something as critical as accounting.

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 10:45 • by TMG (unregistered)
I have to call shenanigans on this story merely by premise...

Every software developer I know understands what a change is and it's damn-near impossible to get more than half of them to *remember* to update a change log every time. That's why we use version control. A non-developer just doesn't understand the importance of a change-log; on top of that, if he doesn't think he's changing the file, why would he update it? Anyone who would *reliably* update a change-log would know what "change" means.



Captcha - paratus
A good thing to be, for certain.

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 10:51 • by Beaker (unregistered)
282846 in reply to 282843
Bull. I've worked in small companies (less than 20 employees TOTAL, a fraction of which are developers) and they've all had source control, local development boxes, and QA environments.

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:09 • by blah (unregistered)
SHEPPARD: "Outputted"? Is that even a word?

McKAY: Of course it is!

RepliMcKAY: We can't both be wrong.

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:09 • by redbeard0x0a (unregistered)
282849 in reply to 282814
I'd have a handful of dimes.


You must have not been a developer for very long. I could probably have more than a handful of dimes per year at my place of employ - and it isn't even that bad here.

As soon as you throw in customer support, then you could probably be doing about a handful a day...

Re: Maybe Herb is a VCS

2009-08-20 11:12 • by Null (unregistered)
282850 in reply to 282841
Lo:
HVS:

CHANGE = Modify line
DELETE = Remove line
ADD = Insert line

Well, when you append some text to a file, don't you think the file has changed?

I prefer to think of it as having been improved.

"Changed" is such a metaphysically contentious concept.

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:12 • by Code Dependent
282851 in reply to 282830
Lars Vargas:
Herb: Peaches is not going to be happy.
Showing your age there, old man.

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:14 • by pitchingchris
the first paragraph is horrible to read with redundant phrases and grammar errors. I don't expect an article to be perfect, but somebody please read them at least once or twice..

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:16 • by Null (unregistered)
282853 in reply to 282852
pitchingchris:
the first paragraph is horrible to read with redundant phrases and grammar errors. I don't expect an article to be perfect, but somebody please read them at least once or twice..

Clench a pencil between your buttocks while reading, it helps.

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:17 • by nonny nonny (unregistered)
Wait, I'm confused.

So the rate calcs are supposed to change every year. It's a few days into January of 2007 and the rate calcs were, therefore, changed.

And the solution was to roll back that change?!

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:24 • by Jabrwock (unregistered)
282855 in reply to 282844
TMG:
I have to call shenanigans on this story merely by premise...

Every software developer I know understands what a change is
You'd be surprised. I've run into the "I didn't change a thing" ranging from "I really didn't change anything" to "I changed a few settings" to "I installed totally different software" from support staff, developers, customers, etc.

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:26 • by Null (unregistered)
282857 in reply to 282854
nonny nonny:
Wait, I'm confused.

So the rate calcs are supposed to change every year. It's a few days into January of 2007 and the rate calcs were, therefore, changed.

And the solution was to roll back that change?!

Yeah. That was a WTF moment for me too.

So now they have correctly calculated reports, but for 2006 rates...which are completely fscking useless.

Surely he just debugged the rate change?

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:26 • by Null (unregistered)
Why does every comment take three attempts with the "submit" button?

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:27 • by IronMensan (unregistered)
282859 in reply to 282854
When they are running 2006 numbers at the end of the year (they've been at it for weeks), yes the solution is to roll back the new rate calculations.

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:28 • by Ryan (unregistered)
282860 in reply to 282844
TMG:
I have to call shenanigans on this story merely by premise...

Every software developer I know understands what a change is and it's damn-near impossible to get more than half of them to *remember* to update a change log every time.


You have read the stories on this site before, haven't you?

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:28 • by Justice
282861 in reply to 282854
nonny nonny:
Wait, I'm confused.

So the rate calcs are supposed to change every year. It's a few days into January of 2007 and the rate calcs were, therefore, changed.

And the solution was to roll back that change?!


That part didn't make sense to me either. I think something got lost in translation.

I was expecting the WTF to be either that the accountants were complaining about some change not going in, hence "I didn't change a thing." The other possibility I considered was that the report was correct but the numbers weren't good, so some finance guy blamed a software bug instead of just saying "yeah, we had a bad month/quarter/year/decade."

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:30 • by Null (unregistered)
282862 in reply to 282859
IronMensan:
When they are running 2006 numbers at the end of the year (they've been at it for weeks), yes the solution is to roll back the new rate calculations.

Gotcha. They wanted year-end reports with 2006 rates, but Herb the Twat had stuffed the 2007 rates in already.

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:31 • by Ozz (unregistered)
282863 in reply to 282851
Code Dependent:
Lars Vargas:
Herb: Peaches is not going to be happy.
Showing your age there, old man.
And therefore, by extension, so are you...

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:31 • by Cyrus
282864 in reply to 282846
Beaker:
Bull. I've worked in small companies (less than 20 employees TOTAL, a fraction of which are developers) and they've all had source control, local development boxes, and QA environments.


Mine doesn't (though I'm working towards it).

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:33 • by Code Dependent
282865 in reply to 282857
Null:
nonny nonny:
Wait, I'm confused.

So the rate calcs are supposed to change every year. It's a few days into January of 2007 and the rate calcs were, therefore, changed.

And the solution was to roll back that change?!
Yeah. That was a WTF moment for me too.

So now they have correctly calculated reports, but for 2006 rates...which are completely fscking useless.

Surely he just debugged the rate change?
The way I read it, they removed the change and ran the program, which then returned correct values (for the previous year), thus establishing that it was in fact that change that was at fault. We're left to assume that Herb looked over his code, found the error, and then made the changes again, this time with correct code.

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:35 • by y0da (unregistered)
282866 in reply to 282854
nonny nonny:
Wait, I'm confused.

So the rate calcs are supposed to change every year. It's a few days into January of 2007 and the rate calcs were, therefore, changed.

And the solution was to roll back that change?!


The result of that error is now known as the world financial crisis ;)

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:35 • by teh jav (unregistered)
282867 in reply to 282858
Null:
Why does every comment take three attempts with the "submit" button?

The code for this forum was written by Paula.

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:37 • by Code Dependent
282868 in reply to 282863
Ozz:
Code Dependent:
Lars Vargas:
Herb: Peaches is not going to be happy.
Showing your age there, old man.
And therefore, by extension, so are you...
Wow, nothing slow about you but your name, and that's Lightning.

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:40 • by @Deprecated (unregistered)
I have added to a file without 'changing' anything... if you think of 'anything' as 'any existing thing'.

For example, adding a new function to a class, that is not called by anything yet. It's new and uncalled, and so therefore no existing code should be affected. Unless it's a SOAP method or something...

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:40 • by Deviod (unregistered)
282870 in reply to 282819
Code Dependent:
Mike also learned a very different definition for the word “change” that day.
Hopefully, here's how he learned it.

['img] White redneck with gayishly small bat and racist context/text[/img]


Yepp, that is really relevant to the story and context. Funny--.

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:45 • by JoPoser (unregistered)
Does anyone else have a hard time reading this website on a large screen (mines 1650px wide)? I know this is a "simple" design but CSS is there for a reason...

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:48 • by Vjg (unregistered)
282872 in reply to 282828
morry:
"My team has been doing reconciliations on these numbers for a week now!"

"noticed a three-day old comment at the top"

Something don't add up here. And Herb needs an atomic wedgie.


Never trust a time span given to you by an accountant.

CAPTHA: immitto, as in "I immitto this comment"

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:51 • by JoPoser (unregistered)
282873 in reply to 282872
Not if it's Wednesday.

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:52 • by Zach (unregistered)
282874 in reply to 282853
Null:
pitchingchris:
the first paragraph is horrible to read with redundant phrases and grammar errors. I don't expect an article to be perfect, but somebody please read them at least once or twice..

Clench a pencil between your buttocks while reading, it helps.


Nope, still painful to read. But I did get a nice colored pencil out of the deal!

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:53 • by grizz (unregistered)
Early on I learned two important lessons:
1. Your first 3 questions when handed a problem should all be, "What did you change?"; and
2. The first 2 answers are bald-faced lies.

Typical interaction:

co-worker: "The {application that interacts with my area of responsibility in some (possibly imaginary) way} doesn't work. Your stuff broke it!"
me: "What did you change?"
cw: "Nothing! It just stopped working! You must have done something."
me: "Right. What did you change?"
cw: "I told you, nothing!"
me: "Uh huh. Really, what did you change?"
cw: "Well, I made a little update to foo, but that couldn't possibly be the problem!"

Nearly invariably, the "little update" to foo ends up being the problem.

But I'm preaching to the choir here, aren't I?

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 11:57 • by Adam V (unregistered)
> After Herb removed the newly added lines, the situation all-of-a-sudden resolved itself, and the accountants were able to go back to running the year-end financials.

After the company removed the newly-discovered-to-be-stupid Herb, the situation resolved itself, and the company was able to hire someone who understood the real definition of "change".

Re: But I Didn't Change a Thing

2009-08-20 12:01 • by Claxon
282878 in reply to 282870
Deviod:
Code Dependent:
Mike also learned a very different definition for the word “change” that day.
Hopefully, here's how he learned it.

['img] White redneck with gayishly small bat and racist context/text[/img]


Yepp, that is really relevant to the story and context. Funny--.


I agree completely!

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