Comment On Circular Logic

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Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 08:08 • by NoXema (unregistered)
Iy's otay, T';; ger yhere somehay!

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 08:19 • by Pim
On the warning dialog, there's always the close box you can use...

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 08:20 • by Micirio (unregistered)
Your choice could be:
* yes - press 'OK'
* no - close the dialog (press 'x' at the top right)

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 08:20 • by Ben Jammin (unregistered)
Couldn't enter the comment because the comment wasn't entered

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 08:27 • by SenTree
257534 in reply to 257530
Micirio:
Your choice could be:
* yes - press 'OK'
* no - close the dialog (press 'x' at the top right)

You'd think so, wouldn't you ? I can't speak for NetBeans, but there was a version of Norton AV which put up a similar box for 'Restart computer'. Clicking the X had exactly the same effect as clicking the single OK button (instant restart, no way to stop it) - losing me a load of data in the process. (Please - no homilies about regular saves - this particular application didn't allow saving the intermediate data in a useful form).

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 08:28 • by Bernie (unregistered)
WARNING

Your boxers seems to be too large to wear safely. Wearing your boxers could cause your ego to falsely inflate, which would make your sex life unstable. Are you sure that you don't want to wear briefs instead?

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 08:30 • by ParkinT
Reading this post could cause an OVERFLOW in your memory.
Do you want to continue?

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 08:35 • by Whoevar (unregistered)
257537 in reply to 257534
SenTree:

(Please - no homilies about regular saves - this particular application didn't allow saving the intermediate data in a useful form).


Well, this is the right place to talk about it. Please go on...

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 08:42 • by noob (unregistered)
blabla:
1st? :)


Can someone explain to me the obsession with having the first comment to a story here? I've never seen that anywhere else.

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 08:46 • by blub (unregistered)
257541 in reply to 257540
noob:
blabla:
1st? :)


Can someone explain to me the obsession with having the first comment to a story here? I've never seen that anywhere else.


heh, thats a good one

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 08:48 • by SuperAnalyst
What language was that in the BIOS screenshot? I'm guessing Celtic?

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 08:50 • by Bobby (unregistered)
257543 in reply to 257540
It happens on lots of frequently updated blog-type places

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 08:52 • by Bappi
257544 in reply to 257540
noob:
blabla:
1st? :)


Can someone explain to me the obsession with having the first comment to a story here? I've never seen that anywhere else.

What baffles me is the question mark. Is Noob uncertain about how to count to one?

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 09:00 • by P (unregistered)
257546 in reply to 257542
SuperAnalyst:
What language was that in the BIOS screenshot? I'm guessing Celtic?


It looks as if it's flipping one of the bits in the ASCII codes for each character to 0. I'm amazed it got as far as displaying that message in that kind of state, no surprise it went downhill from there...

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 09:04 • by Jamie (unregistered)
257547 in reply to 257544
Bappi:
noob:
blabla:
1st? :)


Can someone explain to me the obsession with having the first comment to a story here? I've never seen that anywhere else.

What baffles me is the question mark. Is Noob uncertain about how to count to one?


What baffles me is claiming the 'third' post. Seriously now.
If I register, is there an option to not display the first three posts?

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 09:04 • by Drew (unregistered)
257548 in reply to 257534
The correct response is alt-tab. :)

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 09:07 • by SunTzuWarmaster (unregistered)
On many sites, such as slashdot, just because you don't see any comments doesn't mean that someone hasn't already submitted a comment with a timestamp that is before the one that you are about to submit.

In short, just because you see 0 comments, and write one doesn't mean that someone else doesn't type faster or have a faster internet connection than you do.

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 09:09 • by sponk (unregistered)
257551 in reply to 257546
Indeed, it is flipping the 5th lsb to 0.

It should be noted that Celtic, or more specifically Gaelic, is curiously the exact same as English ascii with that bit set to 0 so in fact you are both correct.

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 09:16 • by MJB (unregistered)
257552 in reply to 257542
What language was that in the BIOS screenshot? I'm guessing Celtic?


I was thinking Middle English, like Chaucer.

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 09:17 • by Henning Makholm (unregistered)
257553 in reply to 257546
P:
It looks as if it's flipping one of the bits in the ASCII codes for each character to 0.

Some bits get flipped from 0 to 1, too. In 'Devyces', an i (0x69) became 'y' (0x79), and the 'o' (0x6F) on one of the "HighPoint"s became 0x7F, and (c) became 8c) (0x28 to 0x38). It always seem to be the XOR 0x10 though.

Interestingly, many of the xor-0x10 cases here interchange phonetically related letters: c/s, d/t, i/y. It almost looks as if the machine is mocking the user with bad spelling.

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 09:18 • by Smash King
257554 in reply to 257546
P:
SuperAnalyst:
What language was that in the BIOS screenshot? I'm guessing Celtic?


It looks as if it's flipping one of the bits in the ASCII codes for each character to 0. I'm amazed it got as far as displaying that message in that kind of state, no surprise it went downhill from there...

It looks like it was the fourth most significant bit that went down the wazoo. More than once a 't' was swapped with a 'd', and their ASCII values are 16 units apart.

What bugs me tho', is that it did not act that way for the whole message. See how HighPoints' capital 'P' was swapped on the first row but not on the second.

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 09:22 • by Pseudo Code (unregistered)
I think it is rather rude for the computer to suggest "Please gaid". I mean, from what I've heard, being gai is something you're born with, not really something you can just choose to do on request. Although, it is shocking the lengths to which "they" will go to get more people gaid.

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 09:25 • by Ethan Qix (unregistered)
257557 in reply to 257540
noob:
blabla:
1st? :)


Can someone explain to me the obsession with having the first comment to a story here? I've never seen that anywhere else.


Really ? In every commentable blog-like website I visit, there's always a idiot to do this. Sometimes there even are more idiots to go "second", "third" and so on.

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 09:25 • by Zapp Brannigan (unregistered)
257558 in reply to 257544
Bappi:
noob:
blabla:
1st? :)


Can someone explain to me the obsession with having the first comment to a story here? I've never seen that anywhere else.

What baffles me is the question mark. Is Noob uncertain about how to count to one?
It's a legitimate question because blog posts on C sites begin at 0.

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 09:29 • by ContraCorners
257559 in reply to 257535
Bernie:
WARNING

Your boxers seems to be too large to wear safely. Wearing your boxers could cause your ego to falsely inflate, which would make your sex life unstable. Are you sure that you don't want to wear briefs instead?

Neither, thanks. I'll keep my panties instead.

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 09:30 • by Twenty Third (unregistered)
257560 in reply to 257557
Ethan Qix:
noob:
blabla:
1st? :)


Can someone explain to me the obsession with having the first comment to a story here? I've never seen that anywhere else.


Really ? In every commentable blog-like website I visit, there's always a idiot to do this. Sometimes there even are more idiots to go "second", "third" and so on.

Imagine that you're sitting at your keyboard thinking "OMG this inn-tar-web thingy is soo freakin cool and look there's like real people talking on this page and I can even post something too but I haven't got the smallest clue what to say." Instead of typing all that, "third" (or whatever) is an abbreviation of sorts.

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 09:34 • by Jon (unregistered)
257561 in reply to 257559
ContraCorners:
Bernie:
WARNING

Your boxers seems to be too large to wear safely. Wearing your boxers could cause your ego to falsely inflate, which would make your sex life unstable. Are you sure that you don't want to wear briefs instead?

Neither, thanks. I'll keep my panties instead.

Is that you, Irish Girl? Cause if it is, umm...

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 09:40 • by Anon (unregistered)
"danny_deckchair_480.mov" - sounds kinkay.

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 09:44 • by Anonimuos (unregistered)
That bit-flipping error looks like a problem with the L1 or L2 cache. I've seen so many times, I can tell by the pixels.

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 09:56 • by SCB (unregistered)
257568 in reply to 257565
Anonimuos:
That bit-flipping error looks like a problem with the L1 or L2 cache. I've seen so many times, I can tell by the pixels.


Which pixels, exactly?
Do tell.

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 10:00 • by Code Dependent
257595 in reply to 257534
SenTree:
Micirio:
Your choice could be:
* yes - press 'OK'
* no - close the dialog (press 'x' at the top right)

You'd think so, wouldn't you ? I can't speak for NetBeans, but there was a version of Norton AV which put up a similar box for 'Restart computer'. Clicking the X had exactly the same effect as clicking the single OK button (instant restart, no way to stop it) - losing me a load of data in the process.


Process Explorer is your friend.

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 10:01 • by OldCoder (unregistered)
257598 in reply to 257548
Drew:
The correct response is alt-tab. :)

Not if it's a system-modal box it isn't.

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 10:12 • by Peter (unregistered)
257635 in reply to 257544
Bappi:
noob:
blabla:
1st? :)
Can someone explain to me the obsession with having the first comment to a story here? I've never seen that anywhere else.
What baffles me is the question mark. Is Noob uncertain about how to count to one?

I don't see any evidence that noob has difficulty counting to one. But blabla on the other hand...

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 10:13 • by TK (unregistered)
257638 in reply to 257556
Pseudo Code:
I think it is rather rude for the computer to suggest "Please gaid". I mean, from what I've heard, being gai is something you're born with, not really something you can just choose to do on request. Although, it is shocking the lengths to which "they" will go to get more people gaid.

Agreed. Surely that proves even "they" don't believe it's something you're born with.

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 10:19 • by Bruce W (unregistered)
257657 in reply to 257552
MJB:
What language was that in the BIOS screenshot? I'm guessing Celtic?


I was thinking Middle English, like Chaucer.


If my computer starts spitting out
Whan that Aprille with his shoures sote The droghte of Marche hath perced to the rote,

And hathed every veyne in swich licour, Of which vertu engendred is the flour; Whan Zephirus eek with his swete breeth

I'll probably take a shotgun to it.

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 10:21 • by operagost
257669 in reply to 257546
P:
SuperAnalyst:
What language was that in the BIOS screenshot? I'm guessing Celtic?


It looks as if it's flipping one of the bits in the ASCII codes for each character to 0. I'm amazed it got as far as displaying that message in that kind of state, no surprise it went downhill from there...

Hope the submitter had a good backup.

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 10:28 • by snoofle
257693 in reply to 257558
Zapp Brannigan:
It's a legitimate question because blog posts on C sites begin at 0.
You win the internet today!

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 10:29 • by Anonymoose (unregistered)
Wow You know that Bios screen almost looks like welsh

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 10:30 • by Bappi
257705 in reply to 257635
Peter:
I don't see any evidence that noob has difficulty counting to one. But blabla on the other hand...

I blame Muphry.

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 10:31 • by Zapp Brannigan (unregistered)
257706 in reply to 257561
Jon:
ContraCorners:
Bernie:
WARNING

Your boxers seems to be too large to wear safely. Wearing your boxers could cause your ego to falsely inflate, which would make your sex life unstable. Are you sure that you don't want to wear briefs instead?

Neither, thanks. I'll keep my panties instead.

Is that you, Irish Girl? Cause if it is, umm...
It's 2009, panty wearing is not a predictor of gender.

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 10:52 • by Harold (unregistered)
257711 in reply to 257530
I always get irritated by those questions that say "Are you sure?", and then have a binary reply like yes/no. The real answer most of the time is "I'm not sure but go ahead and let's try it this time." Anyone ever run across one of those?

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 10:59 • by Jon (unregistered)
257713 in reply to 257598
OldCoder:
Drew:
The correct response is alt-tab. :)

Not if it's a system-modal box it isn't.

Why would you even consider using a computer that assumes it should be the boss instead of you? OK, maybe you didn't know at first, but the minute you find out, wouldn't you take it out in the back yard, blow it up, and look for something a little less rude?

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 11:11 • by Hapless Corporate Drone (unregistered)
257720 in reply to 257713
Jon:
OldCoder:
Drew:
The correct response is alt-tab. :)

Not if it's a system-modal box it isn't.

Why would you even consider using a computer that assumes it should be the boss instead of you? OK, maybe you didn't know at first, but the minute you find out, wouldn't you take it out in the back yard, blow it up, and look for something a little less rude?


Because, you know, the Boss and the company's property managers kinda take a dim view on taking corporate IT assets home, let alone explosive destruction of said corporate IT assets.

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 11:29 • by Code Dependent
257758 in reply to 257711
Harold:
I always get irritated by those questions that say "Are you sure?", and then have a binary reply like yes/no. The real answer most of the time is "I'm not sure but go ahead and let's try it this time." Anyone ever run across one of those?

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 11:40 • by Coward (unregistered)
257795 in reply to 257758
I think this shuld be standard, however let mes guess how this works:
Yes=Quit
No=Don't Quit
Hmm... kind of...=Ask again
Let me think about it for a minute=sleep for 60 seconds re ask question
No, but go ahead and let's try it this time=Quit

Am I right?
Code Dependent:
Harold:
I always get irritated by those questions that say "Are you sure?", and then have a binary reply like yes/no. The real answer most of the time is "I'm not sure but go ahead and let's try it this time." Anyone ever run across one of those?

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 11:41 • by SenTree
257802 in reply to 257595
Code Dependent:
SenTree:
Micirio:
Your choice could be:
* yes - press 'OK'
* no - close the dialog (press 'x' at the top right)

You'd think so, wouldn't you ? I can't speak for NetBeans, but there was a version of Norton AV which put up a similar box for 'Restart computer'. Clicking the X had exactly the same effect as clicking the single OK button (instant restart, no way to stop it) - losing me a load of data in the process.
Process Explorer is your friend.
1. Heh, thanks. But I wasn't aware of Process Explorer (as opposed to Task Manager) at the time.
@the other respondents as well...
2. I didn't want to leave an anti-virus update in a possibly unknown state.
3. Most updates didn't do this; they lulled one into a false sense of complacency then sent one of these.
4. The application in question was an old binary newsreader (NewsShark - I know!). After downloading thousands of posts, the only reference to the header text (for sorting out the goodies) was in a list window with no save function. It wasn't the end of the world, just f*ckin' annoying.

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 11:48 • by JustSomeGuy (unregistered)
257823 in reply to 257568
It just looks to me like some bits are floating, i.e. bad or inconsistent connection.

Depending on the voltage on the adjacent pins they can act as a pull up so results are a bit unpredictable.

Re: Circular Logic

2009-04-23 12:29 • by Code Dependent
257904 in reply to 257795
Coward:
I think this shuld be standard, however let mes guess how this works:
Yes=Quit
No=Don't Quit
Hmm... kind of...=Ask again
Let me think about it for a minute=sleep for 60 seconds re ask question
No, but go ahead and let's try it this time=Quit

Am I right?
Sounds good to me! Maybe we should have "no but go ahead" add an entry in the event log that notes the user's concern.
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