Comment On Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

Most first-class (consultants & employees) and second-class (contractors) programmers don’t realize that there’s an entire class of programmers below them. These programmers – the third-class programmers – work in Developer Purgatory with far less responsibilities, no latitude to make any decision at any level, and always get assigned the “dirty work.” In fact, some even consider it an act of charity to call these poor folks “programmers” at all. [expand full text]
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Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:15 • by bumblebeeman (unregistered)
My favourite part was when that guy poured water on the keyboard and then demonstrated his shoe's grip 'in the wet'. wtf was that?

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:17 • by cconroy
Diane == Paula? (P.S., Andrew, she's totally hot for you. Now go help her "normalize" her "database".)

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:19 • by DeveloperIsADirtyWord (unregistered)
WTF.

It took this guy six months?

Look at his clues:
* The guy in charge of internal ASP crap that doesn't know crap about ASP,
* The 'Repo' developer who couldn't DBA herself out of a wet paper bag,
* A pokeman collector who is literally cannon-fodder OUTSIDE of work,
* And his manager who has time for four-square in the office, but can't cope with losing a game!

Add to that the fact that as far as we can tell the first time he saw any code was five and a half months after he started... Where did he think this was going after 1 month, three months?

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:22 • by wtf (unregistered)
nice post

captcha: riaa ick

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:22 • by Vechni
"It is her mission, apparently, to run out into the middle of an open area and get shot down so her teammates could spot the enemy."

WTF

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:24 • by KattMan
154985 in reply to 154984
Vechni:
"It is her mission, apparently, to run out into the middle of an open area and get shot down so her teammates could spot the enemy."

WTF


Misogyny at it's finest.

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:25 • by pytechd (unregistered)
Run away, run away!

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:27 • by tabigarasu (unregistered)
I really really hope this is an imaginative fiction.

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:29 • by snoofle
154989 in reply to 154986
Ok, the group is WTF-Heaven, but does he have job security for life? If so, then who cares... If I didn't have to worry about getting tossed and having to find a real job, I wouldn't mind getting paid to surf and play all day ;)

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:29 • by JLR (unregistered)
>> Colt, as it turns out, has an unhealthy obsession with firearms.

The name didn't give it away?

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:30 • by Mr Fred (unregistered)
The real WTF is that the recruiting ad probably said something like "motivated self-starter needed for fast-paced challenging project with aggressive deadlines."

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:31 • by KattMan
"He then lifted up one of his legs, and put his shoe on the desk, in the middle of the water. He then grabbed his ankle, tugging at it, and said, “good grip in the wet too.” And then he walked away."

I almost expected this to say something about the ankle holster with his backup piece in it.

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:34 • by Jetts
154993 in reply to 154982
DeveloperIsADirtyWord:
Add to that the fact that as far as we can tell the first time he saw any code was five and a half months after he started... Where did he think this was going after 1 month, three months?


I had a job much like this. Most of my day involved people coming and threatening to give me work to do. I was happy that I was going to be involved in so many projects. Except all these projects were 'Just around the Corner' for my entire stay at the company.

It was a co-op job so luckily I wasn't stuck there for long.

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:34 • by dlikhten
Poor poor fella... I felt that way with my first QA job... I spent most of my free time doing my co-workers work because he was too dumb to figure out how to open internet explorer (god forbid he was asked to open a ssh shell).

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:37 • by sas
154995 in reply to 154990
JLR:
>> Colt, as it turns out, has an unhealthy obsession with firearms.

The name didn't give it away?

My name is Smith & Wesson, you insensitive clod!

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:39 • by Qualified Candidate (unregistered)

Where are jobs like this? Sit on my ass all day, goofing off, doing no real work, and still getting paid?

Hell, I'll work two jobs like that and even pick up extra shifts on the weekend!

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:41 • by SomeCoder (unregistered)
This sounds like the exact job I want right now. Granted, I wouldn't want to stay there forever, but right now, it sounds nice to have a job where I could just work on my own side projects and get paid for them :)

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:41 • by $|i(3_x (unregistered)
154999 in reply to 154992
KattMan:
"He then lifted up one of his legs, and put his shoe on the desk, in the middle of the water. He then grabbed his ankle, tugging at it, and said, “good grip in the wet too.” And then he walked away."

I almost expected this to say something about the ankle holster with his backup piece in it.


I was expecting Colt to urinate.

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:45 • by purge
arrayOne = "Weekly", "Monthly", "Yearly"

arrayTwo = arrayOne
arrayThree = arrayOne
arrayFour = arrayOne
...


At least he's on the right track, but still a WTF. I took over an old Access app years ago and revolutionized it with the Select Case statement. Ahh, the agony...

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:50 • by FredSaw
Developer purgatory? Dirty work? I didn't get to pay my dues in such a horror.

On the other hand, going for six months without doing any coding tends to dull the skillset. I'd rather be fresh from the fray.

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:50 • by Harrow (unregistered)
155005 in reply to 154994
dlikhten:
...my first QA job... I spent most of my free time doing my co-workers work because he was too dumb to figure out how to open internet explorer...
Or, because you were dumb enough to do his work for him.

-Harrow.

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:54 • by bstorer
Nov-14: Goodbye, cruel world.

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:55 • by Leo (unregistered)
155008 in reply to 154989
snoofle:
Ok, the group is WTF-Heaven, but does he have job security for life? If so, then who cares... If I didn't have to worry about getting tossed and having to find a real job, I wouldn't mind getting paid to surf and play all day ;)


Problem is, how you justify to your next employer what you've been doing the last three years?

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:59 • by john (unregistered)
contractors = second class? Not measured by money, or time or freedom to choose the customer, i guess...

nice article anyway... it reminds me the screenplay of IT crowd series :)

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 13:59 • by Michael Smith (unregistered)
I think this is the plot for the season opener of "the office" tonight.

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 14:01 • by sakasune (unregistered)
155012 in reply to 155008
You have to embellish. I'm kinda in the same situation as Andrew, and I was looking around for a new job recently. To make this job sound important on the resume I had to really embellish the work I was remotely involved with.
For the moment I'm staying here. The pay's good enough and I do get work to do from time to time.

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 14:05 • by OneMHz
*starts a slow clap

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 14:05 • by Eduardo Habkost (unregistered)
Somehow I am sure The Bank in the story is a Brazilian Government Bank.

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 14:06 • by Cshmoe (unregistered)
Just another day at any large bank. Bank of Amediocrity, for example.

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 14:07 • by Shinobu (unregistered)
Wow, they should turn this into a manga, I'm sure it would be absolutely brilliant.

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 14:08 • by Joe (unregistered)
155017 in reply to 154992
KattMan:
"He then lifted up one of his legs, and put his shoe on the desk, in the middle of the water. He then grabbed his ankle, tugging at it, and said, “good grip in the wet too.” And then he walked away."

I almost expected this to say something about the ankle holster with his backup piece in it.


What's wrong with having a small backup revolver in an ankle holster?

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 14:10 • by AdT (unregistered)
155018 in reply to 154996
Qualified Candidate:

Where are jobs like this? Sit on my ass all day, goofing off, doing no real work, and still getting paid?


Wouldn't you expect to be paid well if you had to work at a mental asylum?


arrayOne = "Weekly", "Monthly", "Yearly"
arrayTwo = arrayOne
arrayThree = arrayOne
arrayFour = arrayOne


rather:


arrayOne = "Weekly", "Monthly", "Yearly"
arrayTwo = arrayOne
arrayThree = arrayTwo
arrayFour = arrayThree


because there should be no bias.

Captcha: craaazy (c'mon Alex, you're tweaking the generator!)

Four Square

2007-09-27 14:11 • by brank (unregistered)
Don was right, desk bounces don't count.

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 14:11 • by Leo (unregistered)
155020 in reply to 155014
Eduardo Habkost:
Somehow I am sure The Bank in the story is a Brazilian Government Bank.

I resent that! I almost was a client of CEF ! ;-)

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 14:13 • by CornedBee
This is where the best open-source programmers come from, isn't it? You get paid, it keeps your skill set sharp - just make sure there's no IP clause in your contract.

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 14:16 • by Dmitri (unregistered)
155022 in reply to 154989
snoofle:
Ok, the group is WTF-Heaven, but does he have job security for life? If so, then who cares... If I didn't have to worry about getting tossed and having to find a real job, I wouldn't mind getting paid to surf and play all day ;)


Be careful what you wish for, I had a job like that for a year once. VERY good pay too. I had to leave because I felt my brain getting fat and lazy and I was always exhausted from having to sit there 8 hours and do nothing but surf and chat.

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 14:21 • by KattMan
155023 in reply to 155022
Dmitri:
snoofle:
Ok, the group is WTF-Heaven, but does he have job security for life? If so, then who cares... If I didn't have to worry about getting tossed and having to find a real job, I wouldn't mind getting paid to surf and play all day ;)


Be careful what you wish for, I had a job like that for a year once. VERY good pay too. I had to leave because I felt my brain getting fat and lazy and I was always exhausted from having to sit there 8 hours and do nothing but surf and chat.

Not to mention demoralizing. Knowing that if anyone questioned your usefulness there was no way you could ever justify you staying in that position for any amount of money. Being bottom of the barrel in a fish market means you simply rot away and you just smell really bad in the process.

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 14:30 • by Vechni
155025 in reply to 155008
Leo:
snoofle:
Ok, the group is WTF-Heaven, but does he have job security for life? If so, then who cares... If I didn't have to worry about getting tossed and having to find a real job, I wouldn't mind getting paid to surf and play all day ;)


Problem is, how you justify to your next employer what you've been doing the last three years?


Easy.

TCB - Takin' care of business.

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 14:38 • by Franz Kafka (unregistered)
155026 in reply to 154985
KattMan:
Vechni:
"It is her mission, apparently, to run out into the middle of an open area and get shot down so her teammates could spot the enemy."

WTF


Misogyny at it's finest.


Or she shoots as well as she DBAs. May as well use her as bait.

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 14:42 • by stoneyowl (unregistered)
155027 in reply to 155022
Exactly. Doing nothing all day, for days on end can be very difficult. Particularly if you manager's office is just across the hall....

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 14:45 • by Anon (unregistered)
155028 in reply to 155026
Franz Kafka:
KattMan:
Vechni:
"It is her mission, apparently, to run out into the middle of an open area and get shot down so her teammates could spot the enemy."

WTF


Misogyny at it's finest.


Or she shoots as well as she DBAs. May as well use her as bait.

Reread the story. Diane is the "repo" database developer.

April is the Pokemon girl. She doesn't actually have anything she works on described in the story. She just sort of exists.

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 14:52 • by :) (unregistered)
lol! I wish I could keep on reading more entries!

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 14:55 • by KattMan
155031 in reply to 155028
Anon:
Franz Kafka:
KattMan:
Vechni:
"It is her mission, apparently, to run out into the middle of an open area and get shot down so her teammates could spot the enemy."

WTF


Misogyny at it's finest.


Or she shoots as well as she DBAs. May as well use her as bait.

Reread the story. Diane is the "repo" database developer.

April is the Pokemon girl. She doesn't actually have anything she works on described in the story. She just sort of exists.


Actually this sounds good.

Gamer girl.
Talks to you.
Works with you.
Is she hot?

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 14:58 • by Link (unregistered)
This reads like a Douglas Copeland novel.

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 15:02 • by DavidN (unregistered)
I had a job like this one summer - it was advertised as "helping out writing a new online course management system" or something of the like, but I was given nothing to do for the first week (and one day of that was spent going bowling, as I'd happened to join them just before their Away Day). After that they did find me some dull data entry, but that was over with in about a fortnight.

So my job during that summer consisted of coming into the office with a pendrive and happily writing music, occasionally being tapped on the shoulder and being asked to enter someone's details in the database. For a student, it was pretty fantastic.

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 15:03 • by seejay
155034 in reply to 155031
KattMan:

Actually this sounds good.

Gamer girl.
Talks to you.
Works with you.
Is she hot?


Many of us gamer girls actually are quite hot. :)

-- Seejay

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 15:17 • by Stone (unregistered)
155036 in reply to 155031
KattMan:
Anon:
Reread the story. Diane is the "repo" database developer.

April is the Pokemon girl. She doesn't actually have anything she works on described in the story. She just sort of exists.


Actually this sounds good.

Gamer girl.
Talks to you.
Works with you.
Is she hot?

Is that a rhetorical question? It's like finding a perpetual motion machine and asking if it works.

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 15:24 • by iMalc (unregistered)
155038 in reply to 155031
KattMan:
Anon:
Franz Kafka:
KattMan:
Vechni:
"It is her mission, apparently, to run out into the middle of an open area and get shot down so her teammates could spot the enemy."

WTF


Misogyny at it's finest.


Or she shoots as well as she DBAs. May as well use her as bait.

Reread the story. Diane is the "repo" database developer.

April is the Pokemon girl. She doesn't actually have anything she works on described in the story. She just sort of exists.


Actually this sounds good.

Gamer girl.
Talks to you.
Works with you.
Is she hot?
She plays UT, she's bound to be hot!

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 15:25 • by Sitten Spynne (unregistered)
155039 in reply to 155031
KattMan:


Actually this sounds good.

Gamer girl.
Talks to you.
Works with you.
Is she hot?


Ever heard of "three strikes and you're out"?

Re: Diary of a Third-Class Programmer

2007-09-27 15:28 • by Bejesus (unregistered)
155040 in reply to 155038
iMalc:
KattMan:

Actually this sounds good.

Gamer girl.
Talks to you.
Works with you.
Is she hot?
She plays UT, she's bound to be a 42 year old balding overweight man with a personal hygiene problem who still lives with his mother!


Fixed.
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