Comment On Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

Lyle was displeased. Despite all he had going for him — being the most handsome guy in the office, the smartest guy on the team, having the best all-terrain tires throughout the whole department, and trouncing the competition in a recent laser tag game, his team didn't seem to work well together. [expand full text]
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Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 10:05 • by mick (unregistered)
My car is made of Nerf.

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 10:09 • by Paula (unregistered)
We should implement the fish factorial philosphy for all our c pound developers. Oh and frist.


McCain 6
Obama 3


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Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 10:18 • by gabba
I'm not seeing the WTF here. I _like_ nerf guns. And the story ends up exactly the way it should.

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 10:19 • by Lylecutus (unregistered)
Resistance Is Futile. You Will Be Assimilated.

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 10:26 • by retnuh (unregistered)
What!? no link to James' nerf gun, the shame!!

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 10:28 • by Niki (unregistered)
202354 in reply to 202349
gabba:
I'm not seeing the WTF here. I _like_ nerf guns. And the story ends up exactly the way it should.

Agreed. Isn't the fact that James and Brian bought nerf guns proof that Lyle's FISH! implementation worked has he intended?

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 10:30 • by jtl (unregistered)
202355 in reply to 202349
gabba:
I'm not seeing the WTF here. I _like_ nerf guns. And the story ends up exactly the way it should.


The WTF is that Lyle interprets 'your employees should have fun' into 'Lyle should have fun'

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 10:36 • by NSCoder
Did they claim reimbursement for the NERF guns as a business expense?

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 10:39 • by Wickerman (unregistered)
The real WTF is that so far both of Lyle's team building plans have involved him shooting his staff.

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 10:41 • by AT (unregistered)
Check out this requirement from today's featured non-WTF job (Quantitative Application Developer at Capital IQ):

"2. A BRIEF cover letter highlighting with your experience in the body of the e-mail. E-mails without a cover letter will not be read."

That doesn't sound like a non-WTF company to me!

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 10:43 • by Query Object (unregistered)
202362 in reply to 202360
Wickerman:
The real WTF is that so far both of Lyle's team building plans have involved him shooting his staff.


Imminent escalation...
Nerf guns are gateway weapons.

Nerf -> rubber band -> slingshot -> disc guns -> bb guns -> real guns...


Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 10:43 • by DangerMouse9
The only way this story could've been written any better was if Lyle did it.

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 10:44 • by James (unregistered)
I really thought the "fish!" thing was part of the joke, or an anonymization of a real marketing seminar, until I saw the WP link. Just... wow.

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 10:44 • by Volmarias
202366 in reply to 202361
AT:
Check out this requirement from today's featured non-WTF job (Quantitative Application Developer at Capital IQ):

"2. A BRIEF cover letter highlighting with your experience in the body of the e-mail. E-mails without a cover letter will not be read."

That doesn't sound like a non-WTF company to me!


They probably find it a good way to get rid of scattershot headhunter spam.

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 10:44 • by James (unregistered)
"marketing" --> "management"

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 10:52 • by And I (unregistered)
I think this article should be renamed: "Life Imitates Michael Scott"

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 10:53 • by Piepton (unregistered)
After reading the wikipedia article I think this post could have been shortened to 5 words and still been WTF'ey enough. Lyle implemeted the FISH! philosophy.

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 10:55 • by The Dude (unregistered)
202372 in reply to 202362
Query Object:
Wickerman:
The real WTF is that so far both of Lyle's team building plans have involved him shooting his staff.


Imminent escalation...
Nerf guns are gateway weapons.

Nerf -> rubber band -> slingshot -> disc guns -> bb guns -> real guns...




OMG it's like a gateway drug, only without the drugs!!!

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 10:56 • by Trevel (unregistered)
202373 in reply to 202367
The real WTF is that so far both of Lyle's team building plans have involved him shooting his staff.


The real WTF is that the best team building plan would involve his staff shooting Lyle.

Then, of course, he'd shoot himself BETTER than they did.

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 10:57 • by Hazem (unregistered)
Somehow Lyle's idea of fun reminded me of the Mandatory "Fun" Day over here.

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 11:02 • by Mark (unregistered)
You should save all these Lyle stories for one week and then have Lyle-a-palooza.

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 11:03 • by Proof (unregistered)
One method of recognition is the FISH! card, given by employees to each other when they have demonstrated one of the FISH! concepts. Employees who have earned three FISH! cards are presented with "Pete the Perch" a small stuffed toy fish of varying colors.[citation needed]

Many companies present these tokens at staff meetings, flinging them, as the employees at Pike Place fling real fish

From Wikipedia.

Say WHAT!?

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 11:04 • by Guido (unregistered)
202381 in reply to 202352
retnuh:
What!? no link to James' nerf gun, the shame!!

Aye, I was hoping for that as well :(

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 11:05 • by Kehvarl (unregistered)
I know the article tells us to pronounce it FISH-Factorial, but I can't help but read that as "FISH-Bang".

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 11:06 • by tezoatlipoca (unregistered)
202383 in reply to 202360
Wickerman:
The real WTF is that so far both of Lyle's team building plans have involved him shooting his staff.


Lyle and James work for the Postal service right?

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 11:14 • by DeLos
202384 in reply to 202382
Kehvarl:
I know the article tells us to pronounce it FISH-Factorial, but I can't help but read that as "FISH-Bang".


Fish-bang is something else entirely, yet still a blast!

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 11:14 • by FredSaw
For office warfare I prefer a trebuchet.

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 11:18 • by SomeCoder (unregistered)
202387 in reply to 202382
Kehvarl:
I know the article tells us to pronounce it FISH-Factorial, but I can't help but read that as "FISH-Bang".


Seems like Lyle would be the type to pronounce it as: *shouting* "FISH!!!!"

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 11:19 • by DoctorFriday
202389 in reply to 202379
Proof:
One method of recognition is the FISH! card, given by employees to each other when they have demonstrated one of the FISH! concepts. Employees who have earned three FISH! cards are presented with "Pete the Perch" a small stuffed toy fish of varying colors.[citation needed]

Many companies present these tokens at staff meetings, flinging them, as the employees at Pike Place fling real fish

From Wikipedia.

Say WHAT!?

It's all true! Let's check my real-life desk here...cards...Pete the Perch...Yep Got it all. (gasp! I'm even ON THE FISH COMMITTEE!!! OH NOES!!!)

Ok, from the inside - some of the stuff admittedly is a little bit ...cheesy... ok. However, our building has a lot of people who are interested in organizing some pretty fun and interesting activities and events in the name of Fish (like a $1 catered lunch, Paper Airplane Competition, Photo Exhibition, etc...) Truly is what you make of it and only really works when the people involved have the energy. Also, you can't lay on the cheese too thick or, naturally, it'll turn people off.

Do we fling fish at meetings? Haven't seen one yet, but there's a LOT of rubber bands going around.

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 11:19 • by cowboy_k
What, nobody has mentioned The Great Office War yet?

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 11:30 • by Anon. (unregistered)
202394 in reply to 202385
FredSaw:
For office warfare I prefer a trebuchet.

I prefer a trebuchet ms.

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 11:34 • by fanguad (unregistered)
202397 in reply to 202387
SomeCoder:
Kehvarl:
I know the article tells us to pronounce it FISH-Factorial, but I can't help but read that as "FISH-Bang".


Seems like Lyle would be the type to pronounce it as: *shouting* "FISH!!!!"



FIIIIIISH!

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 11:38 • by Paul (unregistered)
Why does Lyle remind me of David Brent from the The Office (UK version)?

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 11:42 • by Mark34625 (unregistered)
The real WTF is how no-one has punched TF out of Lyle after being hit with a nerf gun whilst working. I certainly would!

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 11:57 • by irishlyrucked (unregistered)
This sounds like my old manager. Plenty of time for everything but getting work done. We had nerf wars in our offices, about once a week, to relieve the tension. Donald Duck (what we called our manager) would aim at peoples faces because it was funny. And it was really funny to him when he took off his glasses and caught every dart from one of those rapid firing automatic nerf-knockoffs in the face.

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 11:58 • by Mr Ascii
202406 in reply to 202365
James:
I really thought the "fish!" thing was part of the joke, or an anonymization of a real marketing seminar, until I saw the WP link. Just... wow.

I lived it at a company. Except they usually wanted the employees to pick up the tab for FISH! activities.

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 12:01 • by Andy Goth
Amazing. Efseykho has already updated Wikipedia with a reference to this article.

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 12:01 • by ObiWayneKenobi
Given that I think the last article to feature Lyle mentioned that eventually he was fired, I'd love to the story about that and just what lead to his dismissal (as if there wasn't enough info here). Maybe part 3 of a 3-part Lyle trilogy?

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 12:01 • by valerion
Ok, who edited the Wikipedia article to reference this article already?

Ah, I see somebody provided the answer milli-seconds before I asked the question. Well done!

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 12:06 • by snoofle
At my first job at a military subcontractor, we had an annual office-war, where you had to make your "weapons" out of junk found around the office.

One of the engineers took apart a copy-machine, a lazy susan and some loose dowling, and made a rubber-band machine gun. It fired about 200 10 inch rubber bands in 30 seconds (it left quite a welt if you got caught dead-on). I found some very thin plastic wrap and powder (from manufacturing) and made smoke bombs. Between us, we clobbered the other team.

Nerf? Bah!

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 12:09 • by Andy Goth
In the Sluggy Freelance story Rescue Mission to the North Pole!, aliens attack the North Pole because of the high concentration of NERF toys. The aliens are severely allergic to NERF (it causes them to die), and all the NERF toys are in the shape of weapons, so they conclude Santa is an international arms dealer who is equipping the children of earth for an assault on the aliens.

Hey!

2008-06-25 12:12 • by Obvious Troll (unregistered)
We had some great nerf fights in my company. Since we had low cube walls and our office space was a converted factory floor, you could tag someone 25-30 feet away!

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 12:15 • by Andy Goth
202418 in reply to 202408
I was going to make fun on you for saying "3-part trilogy", but then I remembered the 5-part Hitchhiker's Guide trilogy. Thank you for that. :^)

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 12:17 • by Erik (unregistered)
I had a management class a few years ago where groups had to do presentations on various management philosophies, and the FISH! philosophy is by far the stupidest one (and there's a lot of competition for that title).

Maybe FISH! would work if you're in a company full of naturally high-energy people that feel that goofing off makes them more productive, but if you're in that kind of environment they're going to be implementing the philosophy anyway without ever having heard of it.

Personally, I've worked in environments where the management was constantly trying to up the energy level and get people to have fun, and unless your job involves actually flinging fish around it just doesn't work. My job involves sitting at a desk and typing most of the day, any extra energy you manage to stir up in me while I'm doing that will just be wasted plotting your demise.

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 12:21 • by Yazeran (unregistered)
202423 in reply to 202362
Query Object:
Wickerman:
The real WTF is that so far both of Lyle's team building plans have involved him shooting his staff.


Imminent escalation...
Nerf guns are gateway weapons.

Nerf -> rubber band -> slingshot -> disc guns -> bb guns -> real guns...




Your forgot the rest of the list:
-> Assault rifles -> Artillery -> JDAM's -> ICBM's -> Asteroids (or anything else at sufficient speed for that matter :-)...

Yazeran

Plan: To go to Mars one day with a hammer

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 12:21 • by Niki (unregistered)
I think a lot of the principles behind FISH! are sound. However I think once you bring "workplace management systems" into the equation it ruins it for all.

In other words, when office fun is spontaneous and self-implementing it's good. When it's enforced as a management technique...not so much.

We have a couple of Nerf guns at my office, which were brought in by employees. I have a tendency to get people's attention by throwing a Novell/SuSE novelty plush toy at people. We have Formal Fridays. For the most part all of this comes from the employee up. The only notable exception is Rock Band nights which are organized by the boss.

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 12:23 • by Jasmine (unregistered)
I find it really fascinating that this article has already been added to the Wikipedia page about FISH! Very interesting indeed.... :)

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 12:31 • by NCBloodhound
202429 in reply to 202360
Wickerman:
The real WTF is that so far both of Lyle's team building plans have involved him shooting his staff.


Next week he gets all of his employees NRA memberships...

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 12:34 • by Efseykho (unregistered)
Apparently, adding a link to this story is not constructive according to wikipedia rules. If anyone wonders why it got deleted.
woops!

Re: Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

2008-06-25 12:36 • by Southern (unregistered)
202431 in reply to 202397
fanguad:
SomeCoder:
Kehvarl:
I know the article tells us to pronounce it FISH-Factorial, but I can't help but read that as "FISH-Bang".


Seems like Lyle would be the type to pronounce it as: *shouting* "FISH!!!!"



FIIIIIISH!


FISH FACTORIAL FACTORIAL FACTORIAL FACTORIAL (and so on..)
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