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Andy Miller wrote, "There should be enough free space, but I suppose, depending on how you look at it, that 427.90000000000003 is bigger than just 710.0." [expand full text]
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Re: More Zeroes...More Problems

2013-02-08 06:16 • by Pippo (unregistered)
Almost 100 hours spent playing a video game?
Get a life!

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2013-02-08 06:23 • by dkf
400915 in reply to 400914
How do you “get a life”? Does it involve watching TV?

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2013-02-08 06:58 • by Skeeve (unregistered)
Sorry, we accidentally a word or two when you were installing your drivers.

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2013-02-08 06:59 • by the beholder (unregistered)
The first one is so not a WTF. Just look at both numbers and you'll see the first is 13 characters bigger than the second so it obviously won't fit.

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2013-02-08 06:59 • by nobulate
The "was this information helpful" on the Windows actions centre help seems 'somewhat' desperate with it's third useless option.

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2013-02-08 07:05 • by Tap This (unregistered)
"Tap or click" to download drivers?

Arrrggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

After decades of trying to train brainless zombies not to make web pages that say "click here" we're going to have to go rewrite all those to say "tap or click here"?

Who to shoot? Myself, or a million monkeys?

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2013-02-08 07:10 • by Dan (unregistered)
Shhhh! That's the driver for the Thing that Must Not be Mentioned. You know, the new Thing in Windows 8 that monitors your --

I've said too much already.

You're welcome. Don't mention It.

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2013-02-08 07:12 • by Barney (unregistered)
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2013-02-08 07:14 • by Jere (unregistered)
Love the Triodos logo. Looks like Biohazard Bank.

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2013-02-08 07:57 • by Sean Reilly (unregistered)
Even better is the fact that 427.90000000000003 is not a valid number of megabytes. i.e., that's more precision than a single bit.

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2013-02-08 08:33 • by Athanasius (unregistered)
400925 in reply to 400917
the beholder:
The first one is so not a WTF. Just look at both numbers and you'll see the first is 13 characters bigger than the second so it obviously won't fit.

More seriously if that's the phone app I think it is (OSMAndroid) it requires enough space to download a ZIP and then also unzip it. I filed a bug report about the 'GB Europe' download failing silently which turned out to be due to this. The shown error may be their response to this.

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2013-02-08 08:36 • by Carl (unregistered)
400926 in reply to 400925
Athanasius:
I filed a bug report...

...may be their response
How cute! Someone who still believes in the bug-fixing fairy.

Tell me, have you had a loose tooth lately?

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2013-02-08 08:38 • by Steve The Cynic
427.9MB is indeed bigger than 710.0 (bytes).

And one thing is clear: these are decimal MB, because 427.9 binary MB is 448685670.4 bytes. WTF is 0.4 bytes?

However, the 30 microbytes puzzle me a little, regardless of any question of decimal or binary MB.

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2013-02-08 08:42 • by Steve The Cynic
400928 in reply to 400919
Tap This:
"Tap or click" to download drivers?

Arrrggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

After decades of trying to train brainless zombies not to make web pages that say "click here" we're going to have to go rewrite all those to say "tap or click here"?

Who to shoot? Myself, or a million monkeys?

Depends. How many bullets do you have?

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2013-02-08 08:42 • by LoremIpsumDolorSitAmet
400929 in reply to 400919
Tap This:
"Tap or click" to download drivers?

Arrrggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

After decades of trying to train brainless zombies not to make web pages that say "click here" we're going to have to go rewrite all those to say "tap or click here"?

Who to shoot? Myself, or a million monkeys?

You should be shooting Microsoft for breaking every UI guideline they ever wrote.

The gloves... that's not why

2013-02-08 09:03 • by Marke (unregistered)
It's not that they are high performance, it's the last pair.

genuine Leopard skin is NOT cheap...

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2013-02-08 09:03 • by I forget (unregistered)
400932 in reply to 400929
Tap This:
"Tap or click" to download drivers?

Arrrggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

After decades of trying to train brainless zombies not to make web pages that say "click here" we're going to have to go rewrite all those to say "tap or click here"?

Who to shoot? Myself, or a million monkeys?


Microsoft has gone to la-la land. If you have any serious investments in Microsoft you should be very scared.

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2013-02-08 09:13 • by Roby McAndrew
400933 in reply to 400925
Athanasius:

...if that's the phone app I think it is (OSMAndroid) ...

It is the app you think it is, and to be fair, it does claim to be a beta.

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2013-02-08 09:14 • by Remusonline (unregistered)
400934 in reply to 400915
dkf:
How do you “get a life”? Does it involve watching TV?


No, you have to take the green mushroom! But not the blue one, he is mean....

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2013-02-08 09:31 • by Andrew (unregistered)
400935 in reply to 400927
Steve The Cynic:
And one thing is clear: these are decimal MB, because 427.9 binary MB is 448685670.4 bytes. WTF is 0.4 bytes?


3.2 bits, obviously.

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2013-02-08 09:36 • by emaNrouY-Here (unregistered)
400936 in reply to 400927
Steve The Cynic:
427.9MB is indeed bigger than 710.0 (bytes).

And one thing is clear: these are decimal MB, because 427.9 binary MB is 448685670.4 bytes. WTF is 0.4 bytes?

However, the 30 microbytes puzzle me a little, regardless of any question of decimal or binary MB.


Someone doesn't know their bytes from their bits. Granted, in a 8bit/byte world, I'm not sure what .4 bytes would be... Rounded, maybe? so it is 448685670 bytes and 3 bits.

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2013-02-08 09:41 • by nix (unregistered)
400937 in reply to 400927
Steve The Cynic:
427.9MB is indeed bigger than 710.0 (bytes).

And one thing is clear: these are decimal MB, because 427.9 binary MB is 448685670.4 bytes. WTF is 0.4 bytes?

However, the 30 microbytes puzzle me a little, regardless of any question of decimal or binary MB.


My wife always says "millibytes" when she means megabytes and it takes a conscious effort to stop myself from immediately correcting her.

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2013-02-08 09:59 • by RandomGuy (unregistered)

int actual_number_of_bytes;
int mb_times_10 = actual_number_of_bytes*10/(1024*1024);
double mb = mb_times_10/10.0;
std::cout.precision(16);
std::cout << mb;

And TRWTF is using <u> tags.

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2013-02-08 10:19 • by cellocgw
400942 in reply to 400924
Sean Reilly:
Even better is the fact that 427.90000000000003 is not a valid number of megabytes. i.e., that's more precision than a single bit.

You've heard of "microloans," right? Well, these are microbits.
And in case you remain skeptical, welcome to the world of quantum computing. http://www.americanscientist.org/issues/id.3362,y.0,no.,content.true,page.1,css.print/issue.aspx

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2013-02-08 10:29 • by RichP
400944 in reply to 400942
cellocgw:
...
You've heard of "microloans," right? Well, these are microbits.


microbits! They're a whole lotta computing fun! You can round them, scale them, shift them, even rotate 'em! Store them on your hard drive, download with your friends! Look for microbits in stores TODAY!

(need to have grown up in the '80s to get this, probably).

Re: The gloves... that's not why

2013-02-08 10:50 • by HowItWorks (unregistered)
400947 in reply to 400931
Marke:
It's not that they are high performance, it's the last pair.

genuine Leopard skin is NOT cheap...
Genuine Argyle skin, even more NOT cheap...

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2013-02-08 11:04 • by Mike (unregistered)
400950 in reply to 400924
Touche, and as such they might be using something like a small short to store the value and have an overflow error.

P.S. In information theory you can get fractional bits worth of information but you can never store them blows the freaking mind :)

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2013-02-08 11:35 • by chubertdev
400951 in reply to 400919
Tap This:
"Tap or click" to download drivers?

Arrrggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

After decades of trying to train brainless zombies not to make web pages that say "click here" we're going to have to go rewrite all those to say "tap or click here"?

Who to shoot? Myself, or a million monkeys?


"click here to shoot"

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2013-02-08 11:58 • by jay (unregistered)
400953 in reply to 400924
Sean Reilly:
Even better is the fact that 427.90000000000003 is not a valid number of megabytes. i.e., that's more precision than a single bit.


I like to keep a few extra pieces of a bit around. Just in case one of my bits breaks, I may be able to glue two half-bits together.

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2013-02-08 12:03 • by jay (unregistered)
The driver one is just bad grammar. Of course what they meant to say was, "Your am missing a driver", or more formally, "You bees done missing a driver".

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2013-02-08 12:06 • by jay (unregistered)
400955 in reply to 400936
emaNrouY-Here:
Steve The Cynic:
427.9MB is indeed bigger than 710.0 (bytes).

And one thing is clear: these are decimal MB, because 427.9 binary MB is 448685670.4 bytes. WTF is 0.4 bytes?

However, the 30 microbytes puzzle me a little, regardless of any question of decimal or binary MB.


Someone doesn't know their bytes from their bits. Granted, in a 8bit/byte world, I'm not sure what .4 bytes would be... Rounded, maybe? so it is 448685670 bytes and 3 bits.



I don't think bits should be rounded. Then they roll around when you drop them in the bit bucket and make a lot of noise.

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2013-02-08 12:09 • by Paul Neumann (unregistered)
400956 in reply to 400937
nix:
My wife always says "millibytes" when she means megabytes and it takes a conscious effort to stop myself from immediately correcting her.
She's your wife. Why wouldn't you correct her? Those eyes aren't going to blacken themselves!

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2013-02-08 12:10 • by Paul Neumann (unregistered)
400957 in reply to 400951
chubertdev:
Tap This:
"Tap or click" to download drivers?

Arrrggggghhhhhhhhhhhhhh!!!

After decades of trying to train brainless zombies not to make web pages that say "click here" we're going to have to go rewrite all those to say "tap or click here"?

Who to shoot? Myself, or a million monkeys?


"click or tap here to shoot"
FTFY

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2013-02-08 12:13 • by Albert (unregistered)
An auditor, the president's daughter, and the VP of Global Purchasing walked into a store where they saw a glove on sale for 38 million dollars.

The president's daughter immediately called her dad and asked if she could buy it.

After she swiped her debit card, the auditor noticed her PIN was only 4 digits, and refused to allow the transaction to continue.

The VP of Global Purchasing saw a business opportunity and bought the store for half a billion dollars, based on the number of gloves they still had in stock.

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2013-02-08 12:42 • by PT (unregistered)
Windows doesn't name the driver for Voldemort hardware.

It must not be named.

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2013-02-08 12:50 • by john (unregistered)
Is the president's daughter Irish ?

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2013-02-08 13:00 • by nix (unregistered)
400962 in reply to 400956
Paul Neumann:
nix:
My wife always says "millibytes" when she means megabytes and it takes a conscious effort to stop myself from immediately correcting her.
She's your wife. Why wouldn't you correct her? Those eyes aren't going to blacken themselves!


Look, it's hard enough to explain my black eye to my coworkers as it is; telling them I walked into a door only works so many times!

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2013-02-08 13:29 • by Coyne
One wonders what kind of code does this comparison. Maybe something like this:


public static int compareNumber(double n1, double n2)
{
String s1 = Double.toString(n1);
String s2 = Double.toString(n2);
return s1.compareToIgnoreCase(s2);
}


Which, of course, would be a WTF. (Or maybe even more than one.)

But how else could they get it so ... wrong?

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2013-02-08 13:42 • by Doctor_of_Ineptitude (unregistered)
The first one is not an error, its a fact. Try downloading Great Britain into Europe and you will find out fast enough that even 1000000 would be less. Ask Napoleon, he learnt it the hard way.

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2013-02-08 13:51 • by Soap Opera (unregistered)
400967 in reply to 400958
Albert:
An auditor, the president's daughter, and the VP of Global Purchasing walked into a store where they saw a glove on sale for 38 million dollars.

The president's daughter immediately called her dad and asked if she could buy it.

After she swiped her debit card, the auditor noticed her PIN was only 4 digits, and refused to allow the transaction to continue.

The VP of Global Purchasing saw a business opportunity and bought the store for half a billion dollars, based on the number of gloves they still had in stock.


You think you know a story, but you only know how it ends. To get to the heart of the story, you have to go back to the beginning.

The VP, auditor and the daughter of the president went to the store. Auditor ratted off to VP of Local Purchase, who was shopping with the wife of VP of Global Purchase. She bought the store for half a billion dollars feigning identity and VP blackmailed the President into allowing the purchase.

Now do you understand the brilliance of Paula Beans?

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2013-02-08 15:07 • by Heavy W. Guy (unregistered)
Not playing medic? For shame!

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2013-02-08 16:02 • by Meh (unregistered)
For the last, i don't see what's wrong with having files of several terabyte in a 500GB or 1TB hard disk. That's called sparse files and it's really the most sane way to handle files with holes in it (bittorent-like).

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2013-02-08 16:43 • by Barfo Rama (unregistered)
400973 in reply to 400944
RichP:
cellocgw:
...
You've heard of "microloans," right? Well, these are microbits.


microbits! They're a whole lotta computing fun! You can round them, scale them, shift them, even rotate 'em! Store them on your hard drive, download with your friends! Look for microbits in stores TODAY!

(need to have grown up in the '80s to get this, probably).

And don't forget the quantum scrubbing bubbles!

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2013-02-08 17:28 • by Silverhill
400978 in reply to 400942
cellocgw:
Sean Reilly:
Even better is the fact that 427.90000000000003 is not a valid number of megabytes. i.e., that's more precision than a single bit.
You've heard of "microloans," right? Well, these are microbits.
Nanobytes, actually. 427.90000000000003 MB = 427.9 MB + 30 nB.
</pedantry>

With single-atom storage (under development), one might be able to store nanobytes....

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2013-02-08 17:33 • by Silverhill
400980 in reply to 400914
Pippo:
Almost 100 hours spent playing a video game?
Get a life!
It's 341 754 hours (~39 years)...

/me goes off in search of a life

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2013-02-08 22:58 • by Bill C. (unregistered)
The glove prices are accurate. That woman paid $12.65 for one. She made me pay $38,459,348.00 for the other one. I tried to argue that one was enough for performance, but she insisted on having a nice pair.

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2013-02-09 16:07 • by sttlmark (unregistered)
400986 in reply to 400978
Kids, just say no to floating point arithmetic.

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2013-02-10 17:35 • by F (unregistered)
400989 in reply to 400944
RichP:
cellocgw:
...
You've heard of "microloans," right? Well, these are microbits.


microbits! They're a whole lotta computing fun! You can round them, scale them, shift them, even rotate 'em! Store them on your hard drive, download with your friends! Look for microbits in stores TODAY!

(need to have not grown up to get this, probably).


FTFY

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2013-02-12 12:30 • by Neil (unregistered)
401128 in reply to 400924
Sean Reilly:
Even better is the fact that 427.90000000000003 is not a valid number of megabytes. i.e., that's more precision than a single bit.
As people have alluded to, TRWTF is trying to use binary floating-point to represent 427.9 exactly, when it is probably using 427.90000000000003410605131648480892181396484375 instead, which is 7527696408405607/17592186044416. (Of course, the .9 was itself probably rounded in the first place...)

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2013-02-13 02:26 • by GlitchMr (unregistered)


Ha, I've used MOAR space on my PC. This is Arch Linux with Cinnamon interface, by the way.
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