Comment On More Dynamic-er Than Yours

When Stephan Jennewein was asked to make a client's site work with FireFox, he didn't think it'd be a big deal. The site was fairly small (15-20 pages), had no dynamic content, and used only a bit of DHTML in the site navigation. Just a few CSS tweaks and some JavaScript hacking, and viola!, FireFox compatability. At least, that was the theory. [expand full text]
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Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-24 17:22 • by GoatCheez
69701 in reply to 69696
Anonymous:

The designer must have had some clue about Web authoring, as he clearly understood complex Javascript, PHP etc. I can't comprehend how anyone with even epsilon clue could engineer a pile of crap like this.

Oh well, seems to be a work of some 'how do I hide my HTML source' idiot. For once, he definitely succeeded; as it's impossible to decrypt the source code, even with full access to the server ;-)



Also seems like the "What's the hardest, most complex way I can accomplish this super-simple task?" kind of person.

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-24 17:43 • by Søren Rindal
Couldn't he just make a brand new site based on the generated html?

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-24 17:44 • by smbell
69703 in reply to 69679
ParkinT:

R.Flowers:
Anonymous:
I betcha the PHP script was reading static HTML templates, parsing them and then coverting into JavaScript.


So this was useful to somebody!


On a whole different tangent:


Did you see the LASTEST RELEASE of this amazing product?


April 9, 2005

An updated version of HTML To PHP Converter version has been released. This release includes minor bug fixes.



March 5, 2004

HTML To PHP Converter version 4.2 has been released. This release includes a fix for a code formatting bug.

I wonder what "minor bugs" appeared in this product?  Maybe a PHP 'print' command was misspelled?

Or the registration process did not deduct enough money from your PayPal account!

 


From the same site under 'System Utilities':



"A new system utility is planned for release in the next few months. It
will be announced and posted here when development has been completed."



*shudder*

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-24 17:48 • by Kiss me, I'm Polish
69704 in reply to 69701
Abbreviating Firefox downto Fx is actually all wrong, the Fx is already taken multiple times and it won't do any good to confuse a browser with fireworks or special effects. The natural and intuitious "Ff" should be the official way - yet as in every project there comes a smartass evangelising the One Righteous Way He Came Up With. And then there's multiple acolytes spreading his speech, because he's from The Project so he must be right.And then there's simple nerds happy to know the One Righteous Way and share it with other people that never read their posts. And then there's everybody else, but even if there's someone to do it how it should be done, he's not From The Project, so nobody cares.
Real people don't say "fx" for Firefox.

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-24 17:48 • by Brad
69705 in reply to 69678
Never had a problem; I don't think Firefox uses the registry at all.

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-24 17:49 • by Tired_of_stupid_jokes
69706 in reply to 69648
shaggz:

Alex Papadimoulis:


After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.



So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?



WTF is the deal with stupid ass comments about these forums? They are not that bad. You retards that constantly make comments about it must have an extremely large tree branch stuck up your ass. Alex has already said he is replacing them with the new version of CS as soon as he can... Deal with it and stop with the tired jokes for the sakes of all of our sanity.

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-24 17:52 • by smbell
69707 in reply to 69706
Anonymous:
shaggz:

Alex Papadimoulis:


After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.



So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?



WTF is the deal with stupid ass comments about these forums? They are not that bad. You retards that constantly make comments about it must have an extremely large tree branch stuck up your ass. Alex has already said he is replacing them with the new version of CS as soon as he can... Deal with it and stop with the tired jokes for the sakes of all of our sanity.


Oh come on.  Nothing against Alex, but you have to admit that this forum software really sucks and appreciate the irony of the site that uses it.

I mean I can't even get the stupid pizza to work:


Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-24 17:53 • by Savior
69708 in reply to 69706
Anonymous:
shaggz:

Alex Papadimoulis:


After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.



So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?




WTF is the deal with stupid ass comments about these forums? They are not that bad. You retards that constantly make comments about it must have an extremely large tree branch stuck up your ass. Alex has already said he is replacing them with the new version of CS as soon as he can... Deal with it and stop with the tired jokes for the sakes of all of our sanity.


Dude, don't be afraid of seeking help.

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-24 18:09 • by Tired_of_stupid_jokes
69709 in reply to 69707
smbell:
Anonymous:
shaggz:

Alex Papadimoulis:


After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.



So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?



WTF is the deal with stupid ass comments about these forums? They are not that bad. You retards that constantly make comments about it must have an extremely large tree branch stuck up your ass. Alex has already said he is replacing them with the new version of CS as soon as he can... Deal with it and stop with the tired jokes for the sakes of all of our sanity.


Oh come on.  Nothing against Alex, but you have to admit that this forum software really sucks and appreciate the irony of the site that uses it.

I mean I can't even get the stupid pizza to work:




Sure, It was fine the first 100 comments or so, and I definitely appreciate the irony, All I'm saying is its getting old. It is commented about multiple times every single day, as if everyone wasn't already aware that there are some bugs...

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-24 18:11 • by Chaz
69710 in reply to 69680
Sigh.... Now I've moved to New Zealand I miss places like this. I could just fancy a prawn cocktaiil followed by Scampi and chips.

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-24 18:22 • by masklinn
69712 in reply to 69678
codeman:

Can anyone using FireFox relate as to whether this sort of battle to keep control of your PC still occurs?


I'm pretty sure Firefox barely does a thing to your registry hive (like register itself as the default browser at best), everything is handled by text files mostly in your Fx profile.


Which is why Portable Firefox works (try it, if you want to be sure to keep your computer clean).


Additionnaly, the only things Ad-Aware and Spybot find to whine about on my box are a few tracking cookies I get when I happen to have to use MSIE for some random website.

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-24 18:23 • by masklinn
69713 in reply to 69700
Anonymous:
codeman:

Can anyone using FireFox relate as to whether this sort of battle to keep control of your PC still occurs?





IE? You mean that thing that one uses Start Menu -> Run -> iexplore.exe (because there is no other way to launch it anymore) to run once in a while to see what your pages look like in IE?

Well, the answer is no :P
---
As for the wtf, this is probably some ingenious way to hide the html source code... where in* is a negation.

Install the "IE Tab" extension, allows you to switch back and forth between Gecko and MSHTML from whithin Firefox, no need to ever launch MSIE anymore ;)

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-24 18:24 • by mthamil
69714 in reply to 69709
Anonymous:
smbell:
Anonymous:
shaggz:

Alex Papadimoulis:


After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.



So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?



WTF is the deal with stupid ass comments about these forums? They are not that bad. You retards that constantly make comments about it must have an extremely large tree branch stuck up your ass. Alex has already said he is replacing them with the new version of CS as soon as he can... Deal with it and stop with the tired jokes for the sakes of all of our sanity.


Oh come on.  Nothing against Alex, but you have to admit that this forum software really sucks and appreciate the irony of the site that uses it.

I mean I can't even get the stupid pizza to work:




Sure, It was fine the first 100 comments or so, and I definitely appreciate the irony, All I'm saying is its getting old. It is commented about multiple times every single day, as if everyone wasn't already aware that there are some bugs...


"Some bugs" doesn't quite cover it.  Using POST data just for browsing forum threads is a huge design flaw.

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-24 18:35 • by kupppa
69718 in reply to 69635
This really plain bull shit! I DONT think anyone would have written such php/ javascript code. If he / she is
really capable of writing this stuff, it surely includes capability to NOT write this stuff.

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-24 18:38 • by smbell
69719 in reply to 69714
mthamil:
Anonymous:
smbell:
Anonymous:
shaggz:

Alex Papadimoulis:


After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.



So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?



WTF is the deal with stupid ass comments about these forums? They are not that bad. You retards that constantly make comments about it must have an extremely large tree branch stuck up your ass. Alex has already said he is replacing them with the new version of CS as soon as he can... Deal with it and stop with the tired jokes for the sakes of all of our sanity.


Oh come on.  Nothing against Alex, but you have to admit that this forum software really sucks and appreciate the irony of the site that uses it.

I mean I can't even get the stupid pizza to work:




Sure, It was fine the first 100 comments or so, and I definitely appreciate the irony, All I'm saying is its getting old. It is commented about multiple times every single day, as if everyone wasn't already aware that there are some bugs...


"Some bugs" doesn't quite cover it.  Using POST data just for browsing forum threads is a huge design flaw.


Now I just like the visual effect of all the boxes inside of boxes.  :)

Stupid pizza still doesn't work!

pi

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-24 18:44 • by Tired_of_stupid_jokes
69723 in reply to 69719
smbell:
mthamil:
Anonymous:
smbell:
Anonymous:
shaggz:

Alex Papadimoulis:


After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.



So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?



WTF is the deal with stupid ass comments about these forums? They are not that bad. You retards that constantly make comments about it must have an extremely large tree branch stuck up your ass. Alex has already said he is replacing them with the new version of CS as soon as he can... Deal with it and stop with the tired jokes for the sakes of all of our sanity.


Oh come on.  Nothing against Alex, but you have to admit that this forum software really sucks and appreciate the irony of the site that uses it.

I mean I can't even get the stupid pizza to work:




Sure, It was fine the first 100 comments or so, and I definitely appreciate the irony, All I'm saying is its getting old. It is commented about multiple times every single day, as if everyone wasn't already aware that there are some bugs...


"Some bugs" doesn't quite cover it.  Using POST data just for browsing forum threads is a huge design flaw.


Now I just like the visual effect of all the boxes inside of boxes.  :)

Stupid pizza still doesn't work!

pi


haha, see, that was a funny comment. Lets stick with those instead of stupid forum comments

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-24 18:49 • by mrmalone
69726 in reply to 69647
Anonymous:
codeman:
I think it's well on its way to becoming an
Enterprise-class system. Just add in a few constants to redefine Truth,
put all the scripts in vector-vectors and definitely add a check for FileNotFound, and voila!




Needs more XML


They could've used MetaL, an XML-based meta-programming language that supports PHP. Then they could've had an XML file that generates the PHP that generates the Javascript that generates the HTML that generates the page, which would obviously be superior since more abstraction layers=better code.

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-24 18:56 • by WWWWolf
69728 in reply to 69669
Anonymous:
Anonymous:
I believe this is a case for the If Browser=Firefox then ErrorBox.show("Get a Real Browser: IE") that showed up on this site a few weeks ago.


IE!!!???

IE is a virus


Not to even mention probably the only browser in existence to interpret vbscript, which makes it kind of pointless to write browser detection code in it to begin with, but since I missed the original posting, I assume that was already discussed there... =)

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-24 18:56 • by smbell
69729 in reply to 69723
Anonymous:
smbell:
mthamil:
Anonymous:
smbell:
Anonymous:
shaggz:

Alex Papadimoulis:


After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.



So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?



WTF is the deal with stupid ass comments about these forums? They are not that bad. You retards that constantly make comments about it must have an extremely large tree branch stuck up your ass. Alex has already said he is replacing them with the new version of CS as soon as he can... Deal with it and stop with the tired jokes for the sakes of all of our sanity.


Oh come on.  Nothing against Alex, but you have to admit that this forum software really sucks and appreciate the irony of the site that uses it.

I mean I can't even get the stupid pizza to work:




Sure, It was fine the first 100 comments or so, and I definitely appreciate the irony, All I'm saying is its getting old. It is commented about multiple times every single day, as if everyone wasn't already aware that there are some bugs...


"Some bugs" doesn't quite cover it.  Using POST data just for browsing forum threads is a huge design flaw.


Now I just like the visual effect of all the boxes inside of boxes.  :)

Stupid pizza still doesn't work!

pi


haha, see, that was a funny comment. Lets stick with those instead of stupid forum comments


Apperantly you missed my little jab at the forum software regarding the stupid pizza icon.  ;)

I wonder just how thin that middle box can get?

Stupid pizza still doesn't work.


Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-24 19:33 • by AJR
69730 in reply to 69729
smbell:
Anonymous:
smbell:
mthamil:
Anonymous:
smbell:
Anonymous:
shaggz:

Alex Papadimoulis:


After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.



So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?



WTF is the deal with stupid ass comments about these forums? They are not that bad. You retards that constantly make comments about it must have an extremely large tree branch stuck up your ass. Alex has already said he is replacing them with the new version of CS as soon as he can... Deal with it and stop with the tired jokes for the sakes of all of our sanity.


Oh come on. Nothing against Alex, but you have to admit that this forum software really sucks and appreciate the irony of the site that uses it.

I mean I can't even get the stupid pizza to work:




Sure, It was fine the first 100 comments or so, and I definitely appreciate the irony, All I'm saying is its getting old. It is commented about multiple times every single day, as if everyone wasn't already aware that there are some bugs...


"Some bugs" doesn't quite cover it. Using POST data just for browsing forum threads is a huge design flaw.


Now I just like the visual effect of all the boxes inside of boxes. :)

Stupid pizza still doesn't work!

pi


haha, see, that was a funny comment. Lets stick with those instead of stupid forum comments


Apperantly you missed my little jab at the forum software regarding the stupid pizza icon. ;)

I wonder just how thin that middle box can get?

Stupid pizza still doesn't work.



You should phone and complain, you'll get the next pizza free :-)
(We've hit the limit on how thin the middle box gets, the page is just getting wider now)

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-24 19:35 • by AJR
69731 in reply to 69729
smbell:
Anonymous:
smbell:
mthamil:
Anonymous:
smbell:
Anonymous:
shaggz:

Alex Papadimoulis:


After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.



So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?



WTF is the deal with stupid ass comments about these forums? They are not that bad. You retards that constantly make comments about it must have an extremely large tree branch stuck up your ass. Alex has already said he is replacing them with the new version of CS as soon as he can... Deal with it and stop with the tired jokes for the sakes of all of our sanity.


Oh come on. Nothing against Alex, but you have to admit that this forum software really sucks and appreciate the irony of the site that uses it.

I mean I can't even get the stupid pizza to work:




Sure, It was fine the first 100 comments or so, and I definitely appreciate the irony, All I'm saying is its getting old. It is commented about multiple times every single day, as if everyone wasn't already aware that there are some bugs...


"Some bugs" doesn't quite cover it. Using POST data just for browsing forum threads is a huge design flaw.


Now I just like the visual effect of all the boxes inside of boxes. :)

Stupid pizza still doesn't work!

pi


haha, see, that was a funny comment. Lets stick with those instead of stupid forum comments


Apperantly you missed my little jab at the forum software regarding the stupid pizza icon. ;)

I wonder just how thin that middle box can get?

Stupid pizza still doesn't work.



Re my last post, either that or it just keels over and dies...

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-24 20:01 • by foxyshadis
69732 in reply to 69731
AJR:
Re my last post, either that or it just keels over and dies...

That was actually the perfect punch line after a page of broken forum chat. I <3 you. =D

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-24 20:23 • by AJR
69734 in reply to 69730
smbell:
Anonymous:
smbell:
mthamil:
Anonymous:
smbell:
Anonymous:
shaggz:

Alex Papadimoulis:


After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.



So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?



WTF is the deal with stupid ass comments about these forums? They are not that bad. You retards that constantly make comments about it must have an extremely large tree branch stuck up your ass. Alex has already said he is replacing them with the new version of CS as soon as he can... Deal with it and stop with the tired jokes for the sakes of all of our sanity.


Oh come on. Nothing against Alex, but you have to admit that this forum software really sucks and appreciate the irony of the site that uses it.

I mean I can't even get the stupid pizza to work:




Sure, It was fine the first 100 comments or so, and I definitely appreciate the irony, All I'm saying is its getting old. It is commented about multiple times every single day, as if everyone wasn't already aware that there are some bugs...


"Some bugs" doesn't quite cover it. Using POST data just for browsing forum threads is a huge design flaw.


Now I just like the visual effect of all the boxes inside of boxes. :)

Stupid pizza still doesn't work!

pi


haha, see, that was a funny comment. Lets stick with those instead of stupid forum comments


Apperantly you missed my little jab at the forum software regarding the stupid pizza icon. ;)

I wonder just how thin that middle box can get?

Stupid pizza still doesn't work.


You should phone and complain, you'll get the next pizza free :-) (We've hit the limit on how thin the middle box gets, the page is just getting wider now)

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-24 20:31 • by Richard C Haven
69736 in reply to 69641
Anonymous:

..... "Enterprise HTML"?



Enterprisey HTML ?

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 00:46 • by felix
69747 in reply to 69658
Anonymous:

Why would *anyone*, no matter how inexperienced or inept, ever possibly do something like this??





<dripping-venom>Because their website has to be cool. It has to
blink, and it has to jump. No link whitout javascript, no image whitout
a rollover effect. No way for the visitor to select any text - all of
it must be in Flash insertions and/or pop-up boxes. And most
importantly, their pages must look exactly the same on all computers, with any browser  (though they  only really work in IE).</dripping-venom>



Sounds familiar?

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 02:07 • by Anonymous
69753 in reply to 69700
"Viola"? Is that a clever reference?

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 02:38 • by Schol-R-LEA
69754 in reply to 69753
There are two simple rules for coding web docs:

1) if it doesn't work in Amaya, it isn't a compliant web page.

2) if it rejects a web page that Amaya accepts, it isn't a web browser.

Do You Beleive That?&trade;

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 02:46 • by felix
69755 in reply to 69754
Anonymous:
There are two simple rules for coding web docs:

1) if it doesn't work in Amaya, it isn't a compliant web page.

2) if it rejects a web page that Amaya accepts, it isn't a web browser.

Do You Beleive That?™




No. Your point? :)

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 03:48 • by cmot
69758 in reply to 69680
ithika:
This reminds me of a nice little pub I know...

Welcome, Ladies and Gentlemen, to The Balfour Arms. (In case that link doesn't work, the URL is .)


Warning... if you have javascript turned off, you won't see anything.


Ugh. IE and Communicator only. But works the UserAgent in Konqueror - funny, because IME often the javascript check is not fooled by faking the UserAgent. Or Konqueror recently changed their ua faking code to fake better.



Well, I won't say anything about the layout of that page...

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 03:56 • by Merlin2600
some JavaScript hacking, and viola!

Alex, it's spelled "voilà". The way you spelled it means "raped" in French. And I don't think that was your meaning.
;)

Regarding the ugly javascript stuff, I've seen that a number of times but only one did it properly. I was quite reluctant to static sites in javascript but the presentation was well isolated from the content and the engine. So that changing the look of the site was as easy as editing html and adding pages was just about creating a file with your content only.

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 04:52 • by t-bone
69762 in reply to 69680
ithika:
This reminds me of a nice little pub I know...

Welcome, Ladies and Gentlemen, to The Balfour Arms. (In case that link doesn't work, the URL is .)


Warning... if you have javascript turned off, you won't see anything.


Welcome to Web Creator Pro:
http://www.lmsoft.com/siteb/english/webcreatorpropag.html

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 05:17 • by somebody
69763 in reply to 69660
RenMan:
I agree with md2perpe. Sure, it's a little overengineered, but if the dynamic rendering code is written well and concisely, it should not be too difficult to add in some browser detection code, and branch the rendering code accordingly.

ooh, I like how you can drag emotions like :O



Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 05:18 • by Silex
Alex Papadimoulis:

Just a few CSS tweaks and some JavaScript hacking, and viola!, FireFox compatability. At least, that was the theory.



It's voila, not viola.

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 06:23 • by masklinn
69768 in reply to 69754
Anonymous:
There are two simple rules for coding web docs:

1) if it doesn't work in Amaya, it isn't a compliant web page.

2) if it rejects a web page that Amaya accepts, it isn't a web browser.

Do You Beleive That?™

Amaya is a frigging piece of shit, it's even less interresting of a broswer as Netscape 4.7, it barely implements CSS and stuff. The W3C just doesn't have the budget and the people to develop a meaningful Amaya, it's not even useful to test websites in it.


Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 06:57 • by makomk
69771 in reply to 69709
Anonymous:
Sure, It was fine the first 100 comments or so, and I definitely appreciate the irony, All I'm saying is its getting old. It is commented about multiple times every single day, as if everyone wasn't already aware that there are some bugs...


Don't worry; we should be switching to CS 2.0 sometime soon, and then everyone can find new bugs to complain about...



(Hmmm, fun - in the comment page, the entire body is one giant form - which, presumably, means that the contents of the search box are submitted with the post. Didn't notice that before...)

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 06:59 • by makomk
69772 in reply to 69731
AJR:
smbell:
Anonymous:
smbell:
mthamil:
Anonymous:
smbell:
Anonymous:
shaggz:

Alex Papadimoulis:


After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.



So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?



WTF is the deal with stupid ass comments about these forums? They are not that bad. You retards that constantly make comments about it must have an extremely large tree branch stuck up your ass. Alex has already said he is replacing them with the new version of CS as soon as he can... Deal with it and stop with the tired jokes for the sakes of all of our sanity.


Oh come on. Nothing against Alex, but you have to admit that this forum software really sucks and appreciate the irony of the site that uses it.

I mean I can't even get the stupid pizza to work:




Sure, It was fine the first 100 comments or so, and I definitely appreciate the irony, All I'm saying is its getting old. It is commented about multiple times every single day, as if everyone wasn't already aware that there are some bugs...


"Some bugs" doesn't quite cover it. Using POST data just for browsing forum threads is a huge design flaw.


Now I just like the visual effect of all the boxes inside of boxes. :)

Stupid pizza still doesn't work!

pi


haha, see, that was a funny comment. Lets stick with those instead of stupid forum comments


Apperantly you missed my little jab at the forum software regarding the stupid pizza icon. ;)

I wonder just how thin that middle box can get?

Stupid pizza still doesn't work.



Re my last post, either that or it just keels over and dies...


It always does that if you're posting with certain browsers; they've at least partially fixed it in CS 2.0, thankfully.

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 07:23 • by jannes
69777 in reply to 69660

RenMan:
I agree with md2perpe. Sure, it's a little overengineered, but if the dynamic rendering code is written well and concisely, it should not be too difficult to add in some browser detection code, and branch the rendering code accordingly.


I agree... It will in fact be 'overengineered' when it is a java app. dynamically generating the php files.[8o|]


 

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 08:16 • by ksg
69781 in reply to 69637

R.Flowers:
Fifteen to twenty pages? Just pull the pages up in a browser, save the source as HTML files (making exceptions for the DHMTL menu, etc.), make your changes, and done. Then burn those PHP files!


 


Exactly.


Stephen Jennewein, you're an idiot, and the wtf is back at you.  It would have been extremely simple to turn the site into a couple of dozen html files.  Instead you've left the client with the POS system they started with plus a POS procedure for firefox users.


 - K

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 08:47 • by brazzy
69784 in reply to 69781
Anonymous:

R.Flowers:
Fifteen to twenty
pages? Just pull the pages up in a browser, save the source as HTML
files (making exceptions for the DHMTL menu, etc.), make your changes,
and done. Then burn those PHP files!


 


Exactly.


Stephen Jennewein, you're an idiot, and the wtf is back at
you.  It would have been extremely simple to turn the site into a
couple of dozen html files.




It looks to me like the idiots here are the two of you.



Note that it's not just HTML generated by PHP on the server. It's
JAVASCRIPT generated by PHP on the server, and interpreted by the
browser to display a webpage.  If you "save the source" then you
eliminate the PHP part, but are STILL stuck with the JavaScript. Now
there are two possibilities: the Javascript is standard-compliant and
only the HTML it generates via document.write() is buggy. Then you
could run the JavaScript in a standalone interpreter and only have to
fix the resulting HTML, which is proably a godawful mess. Or the
JavaScript itself is buggy and uses all kinds of IE-specific stuff.
Then you have to fix that first, then fix the HTML.


Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 08:52 • by ammoQ
69785 in reply to 69784
brazzy:

Note that it's not just HTML generated by PHP on the server. It's
JAVASCRIPT generated by PHP on the server, and interpreted by the
browser to display a webpage.  If you "save the source" then you
eliminate the PHP part, but are STILL stuck with the JavaScript. Now
there are two possibilities: the Javascript is standard-compliant and
only the HTML it generates via document.write() is buggy. Then you
could run the JavaScript in a standalone interpreter and only have to
fix the resulting HTML, which is proably a godawful mess. Or the
JavaScript itself is buggy and uses all kinds of IE-specific stuff.
Then you have to fix that first, then fix the HTML.



Unless the HTML layout is very complex, I would just copy the text from the HTML page (not the source) and start the whole thing from scratch.

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 09:36 • by Trent
69791 in reply to 69637
R.Flowers:
Fifteen to twenty pages? Just pull the pages up in a browser, save the source as HTML files (making exceptions for the DHMTL menu, etc.), make your changes, and done. Then burn those PHP files!


I don't think this would work.  Saving the page as HTML wouldn't show you the HTML that the JavaScript printed...it would just show you the JavaScript function calls.

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 09:41 • by nn
69793 in reply to 69791
If(Firefox) RedirectToIETabPluginDownload();


Fixed :)

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 09:42 • by Gary
69794 in reply to 69791
<DailyWTFTag>Help! I can't post without including tons of HTML tags!</DailyWTFTag>

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 10:15 • by McBain
69801 in reply to 69684
de goggl

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 10:56 • by BAReFOOt
69807 in reply to 69658
Simple question!

He heard that "dynamic" is "the next big thing", and so created the *ultimate* dynamic web api. something so cool you can do everything on it (inner platform effect? nudge, nudge...). and when he was done and maybe even used it for his "site erhem... WEBSERVICE for all and everything" (that gever got finished), he thought it would be the ultimate solution for all and everything, so i must be used for every damn page he does. so of course for this small thing too. easy thing. ;)        

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 12:21 • by Mr Jacs
69809 in reply to 69696
Anonymous:

The designer must have had some clue about Web authoring, as he clearly understood complex Javascript, PHP etc. I can't comprehend how anyone with even epsilon clue could engineer a pile of crap like this.

Oh well, seems to be a work of some 'how do I hide my HTML source' idiot. For once, he definitely succeeded; as it's impossible to decrypt the source code, even with full access to the server ;-)


You'd be amazed how easy it is to make stuff like this...

Back when I was a freshman in high school we had to make a trivial webpage that had to include a few things in javascript. Sure enough I took it upon myself to make the entire page generated by javascript. Each page only had the most basic formatting and absolutely no hint to where the javascript was, except for the fact it was a hidden frame. I think I designed the page just to piss off the teacher, but it didn't work. He gave me an A because he couldn't figure out how I got anything to render "without formatting".

The PHP backend is ingenious.

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 12:34 • by reed


I think this WTF is actually the code for thedailywtf.com's forum software.

Reed


Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 13:03 • by wk2x
69813 in reply to 69678
codeman:

A long time ago, during the Netscape/IE
browser wars, with the release-of-the-hour updates, I was responsible
for making sure our product worked on both browsers. Of course, every
time you updated with one, the other would stop working due to all the
junk they both put in the registry, although IE was by far the more
virulent offender. We took to calling it "( I ) n ( E ) pt".

Interestingly,
I got tired of constantly doing registry dives on my home PC to clean
up the mess, and just surrendered to the monopolies-work theory, and
removed all things Netscape (even though it was clearly a superior
browser - at least at the time, don't know about now). Once I did, all
the problems (at least between the two browsers killing each other)
disappeared; I've resigned myself to using InEpt, not because it's
better, but because it caused me less pain.

Can anyone using FireFox relate as to whether this sort of battle to keep control of your PC still occurs?





I use both browsers on several machines with no conflicts except one minor one:



IE seems to set itself to the "windows default browser" every time you
run it, even when it asks you if you want to do that and you respond
with an emphatic NO.



Of course, I use IE *very* sparingly ... mainly out of principle.

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 13:07 • by ps
69815 in reply to 69667
http://www.mapleglobal.com

Re: More Dynamic-er Than Yours

2006-04-25 13:10 • by ps
69816 in reply to 69815
...how could it be else? This was no spam but the forum ate the quote I was referring to.

" I believe this is a case for the If
Browser=Firefox then ErrorBox.show("Get a Real Browser: IE") that
showed up on this site a few weeks ago."
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