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Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 10:19 • by alo
This the (1,3)[frist] comment. Come and see in a few minutes more sensible entry.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 10:27 • by lost (unregistered)
at 2:01AM I have to change the status of this ticket back to "under investigation"

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 10:28 • by RichP
tl;dr: If "some lady" has a vague problem, then "some lady" can ok the fix.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 10:30 • by Steve The Cynic
399135 in reply to 399134
RichP:
tl;dr: If "some lady" has a vague problem, then "some lady" can ok the fix.

Yes, and the intern herself might well qualify as "some lady". Sorted.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 10:32 • by Meta-commentator (unregistered)
The real wtf is all the HTML code entries you have on the POS entry. Seriously. Why use 5 characters when one will do.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 10:37 • by Zylon
Ummm... why did she keep referring to him by the ticket number?

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 10:39 • by Bob (unregistered)
It was an intelligence test. She was supposed to automate the update. She failed. That's why they didn't offer her a permanent position.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 10:42 • by sinistral
399139 in reply to 399137
The entire article is an extended homage to Les Miserables, in which Jean Valjean is consistently referred to as "prisoner 24601".

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 10:43 • by ObiWayneKenobi
The real wtf is idiots who won't let you close out tickets that are just wasting space. He should have done it anyways. He's a consultant, remember?

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 10:58 • by Anon (unregistered)
Updating the same ticket to the same status at the same time every day. If only there were some magical way to do this automatically... but until that magical discovery we'll do it manually, every night!

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 11:00 • by Lothario (unregistered)
TRWTF is opening a ticket without capturing the user who is experiencing the issue.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 11:01 • by Rick (unregistered)
Situations like this is why bug tracking systems differentiate between the "Resolved" and "Closed" statuses. In this case, I would have marked it "Resolved" and let them try to track down the user to verify that it's fixed.

That, or just let the bug pop up as Critical. I bet their boss would be willing to close the bug rather than look bad in front of his boss.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 11:10 • by TGV
399144 in reply to 399139
sinistral:
The entire article is an extended homage to Les Miserables, in which Jean Valjean is consistently referred to as "prisoner 24601".

And to the number 9.45620096744035, surely.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 11:11 • by Quango
I'd follow the example of [probably apocryphal] tales from aircraft defect reports, e.g.

"Problem: something loose in cockpit"
"Solution: something tightened in cockpit"

Which I think he kind of did.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 11:11 • by what a strange story (unregistered)
399146 in reply to 399138
Bob:
It was an intelligence test. She was supposed to automate the update. She failed. That's why they didn't offer her a permanent position.
just what I was thinking - You'd think Matt would have asked her why she didn't just do that

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 11:12 • by A developer (unregistered)
That stupid college intern will make a great manager!

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 11:14 • by Remy Porter
Based on my experience with ticketing systems, automating the update would have been extremely difficult or impossible. But then again, I've only used "enterprise" ticketing software. You know the kind- it barely friggin' works and if you look at the underlying data structures the wrong way the entire thing breaks down until you pay a technician $30,000 to come out for 48 hours and fix it.

The last time I suggested we automate some ticket workflows, I was told that no developers were allowed to invoke the ticket system's web services, because there was absolutely no guarantee that any of the methods would work.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 11:15 • by flabdablet
If the button that some user pressed was the Enter key that submitted that ticket, it looks like something bad actually did happen.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 11:17 • by QJo (unregistered)
An excellent yarn. Vintage stuff. Everything you ever need: a thwarted love-interest, a madwoman, a Process from Hell - delightful. Cheered up a tedious Monday.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 11:17 • by Kushan
Everyone's assuming that the student was allowed to run scripts or something. Remember - where there's one idiot policy, there's sure to be others.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 11:19 • by Foo Bar (unregistered)
399152 in reply to 399134
Exactly. TRWTF is the ticket itself, but a secondary WTF is that these two people didn't see the solution and determine that the issue could be closed.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 11:19 • by Remy Porter
399153 in reply to 399151
Hah. Also a good catch. I know in my office, interns are not allowed to code anything.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 11:33 • by Al H. (unregistered)
399154 in reply to 399145
Another airplane complaint: "number 2 engine missing."

Resolution: "number 2 engine discovered on right wing."

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 11:36 • by Robbert (unregistered)
399155 in reply to 399151
She was logging in from home. She could still run a script on her own computer that just blindly clicked where the buttons should be. If I had to do that every single night at 2AM I wouldn't care how ugly the solution is, I'd just be happy that I could sleep.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 11:39 • by Some Damn Yank (unregistered)
399156 in reply to 399142
Lothario:
TRWTF is opening a ticket without capturing the user who is experiencing the issue.

I've never seen a system that lets you enter a ticket without identifying yourself. I call foul on this one, it's unbelievable.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 11:40 • by Bring Back TopCod3r (unregistered)
399157 in reply to 399155
Robbert:
She was logging in from home. She could still run a script on her own computer that just blindly clicked where the buttons should be. If I had to do that every single night at 2AM I wouldn't care how ugly the solution is, I'd just be happy that I could sleep.


That would be far from straightforward. Presumably she would be running remote desktop through a VPN. She would have to log in manually anyway using Secure ID or similar. So it wouldn't save her getting out of bed.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 11:42 • by David (unregistered)
399158 in reply to 399156
I think the ticket is being filed on someone else's behalf.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 11:42 • by emaNrouY-Here (unregistered)
"Why did it take you eight months to help this user?"

Answer: It took me eight months to determine who "Some User" was.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 11:46 • by Mr.Bob (unregistered)
Boss: "Hey, we've got this critical ticket on the report that's over a year old!"

You: "Yeah, I closed it this morning. It was cruft from a useless bug report that ended up being a dead end."

--If you work with mindless automatons controlled by spreadsheets, turn to page 2--
--If you work with thinking people, turn to page 3--


Page 2:
Boss: "But, the report says it is critical! We can't have that!"
You: "Good. It won't be on tomorrow's report, because now it's 'resolved'."

Page 3:
Boss: "Ok."
You: "Yes. Yes it is. Now, where's that minx of an intern that was here earlier?"

-The end.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 11:49 • by Some Damn Yank (unregistered)
399161 in reply to 399153
Remy Porter:
Hah. Also a good catch. I know in my office, interns are not allowed to code anything.

Interns are often allowed to do lots of real-world things. As an intern at General Motors, in my very first assignment out of high school, I designed a steel frame to hold a cyanide scrubber on the roof of a factory.

Then again, years later in data center stint all I did was load paper into the line printers and tapes on the IBM 2401 tape drives. Every department is different.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 12:03 • by chubertdev
399162 in reply to 399142
Lothario:
TRWTF is opening a ticket without capturing the user who is experiencing the issue.


no kidding. he should have either re-assigned it to the IT desk, or set the status to "On Hold."

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 12:06 • by Loren Pechtel
Put a note on the ticket explaining the problem and assign it to the boss, encourage him to promote it up the line until it gets to whoever is responsible for this abomination.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 12:11 • by Nagesh
399165 in reply to 399153
Remy Porter:
Hah. Also a good catch. I know in my office, interns are not allowed to code anything.


that is odd. in our workspace, we make interns do all the work and give them back-rubs to speed their work.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 12:11 • by syskill (unregistered)
399166 in reply to 399163
Loren Pechtel:
Put a note on the ticket explaining the problem and assign it to the boss, encourage him to promote it up the line until it gets to whoever is responsible for this abomination.


Yeah, that oughta work, because everyone knows that s**t rolls uphill. Oh, no, wait.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 12:14 • by herby
Intern: Meet BOFH. Bzerrrt.
FTFY!

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 12:18 • by Mason Wheeler
I call foul on this too, but for the opposite reason. Every ticketing system I've worked with has a way to reject a bad ticket. On several occasions I've bounced a ticket back to someone for not containing enough information to enable me to do anything useful with it, and I find it difficult to believe that their system wouldn't have the same capability...

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 12:29 • by Bring Back TopCod3r (unregistered)
399169 in reply to 399168
Mason Wheeler:
I call foul on this too, but for the opposite reason. Every ticketing system I've worked with has a way to reject a bad ticket. On several occasions I've bounced a ticket back to someone for not containing enough information to enable me to do anything useful with it, and I find it difficult to believe that their system wouldn't have the same capability...


Typically these systems are highly customisable (I worked somewhere once where it was so customised the vendor said they could no longer support it).

So it all it requires is some PHB to have a ticket of his rejected, prompting him (or her) to introduce a new policy of not rejecting tickets, and getting the system changed to enforce this.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 12:29 • by Yaos
Our ticket system is better than that, we use it so we know how much work we do. More places should do that.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 12:31 • by Daniel (unregistered)
I think this should be more floridly written. It's not quite florid enough.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 12:31 • by Daniel (unregistered)
I think this should be more floridly written. It's not quite florid enough.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 12:31 • by Daniel (unregistered)
399173 in reply to 399172
Also I think I shouldn't accidentally doubleclick on the submit button.

Sorry 'bout that.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 12:32 • by Calli Arcale (unregistered)
399174 in reply to 399157
Bring Back TopCod3r:
Robbert:
She was logging in from home. She could still run a script on her own computer that just blindly clicked where the buttons should be. If I had to do that every single night at 2AM I wouldn't care how ugly the solution is, I'd just be happy that I could sleep.


That would be far from straightforward. Presumably she would be running remote desktop through a VPN. She would have to log in manually anyway using Secure ID or similar. So it wouldn't save her getting out of bed.


You could fix that too, by aiming a webcam at the SecureID fob and getting OCR software to read the code off of it.

Or, knowing that the report doesn't run until 5AM, get up at 4:45, click the button, then get on with your day. ;-)

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 12:33 • by txteva (unregistered)
399175 in reply to 399156
Hardly unbelievable - generic tickets that can be logged with the site or office name rather than an individual.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 12:43 • by Bruce W (unregistered)
399177 in reply to 399173
Daniel:
Also I think I shouldn't accidentally doubleclick on the submit button.

Sorry 'bout that.

Did you log a ticket about clicking on some button somewhere?

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 12:47 • by Bring Back TopCod3r (unregistered)
399178 in reply to 399174
Calli Arcale:
Bring Back TopCod3r:
Robbert:
She was logging in from home. She could still run a script on her own computer that just blindly clicked where the buttons should be. If I had to do that every single night at 2AM I wouldn't care how ugly the solution is, I'd just be happy that I could sleep.


That would be far from straightforward. Presumably she would be running remote desktop through a VPN. She would have to log in manually anyway using Secure ID or similar. So it wouldn't save her getting out of bed.


You could fix that too, by aiming a webcam at the SecureID fob and getting OCR software to read the code off of it.

Or, knowing that the report doesn't run until 5AM, get up at 4:45, click the button, then get on with your day. ;-)

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 12:48 • by Bring Back TopCod3r (unregistered)
399179 in reply to 399174
Calli Arcale:
Bring Back TopCod3r:
Robbert:
She was logging in from home. She could still run a script on her own computer that just blindly clicked where the buttons should be. If I had to do that every single night at 2AM I wouldn't care how ugly the solution is, I'd just be happy that I could sleep.


That would be far from straightforward. Presumably she would be running remote desktop through a VPN. She would have to log in manually anyway using Secure ID or similar. So it wouldn't save her getting out of bed.


You could fix that too, by aiming a webcam at the SecureID fob and getting OCR software to read the code off of it.

Or, knowing that the report doesn't run until 5AM, get up at 4:45, click the button, then get on with your day. ;-)


The webcam solution could work. Presumable the fob would be placed on a wooden table.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 12:50 • by katastrofa (unregistered)
399181 in reply to 399161
Some Damn Yank:

Interns are often allowed to do lots of real-world things. As an intern at General Motors, in my very first assignment out of high school, I designed a steel frame to hold a cyanide scrubber on the roof of a factory.

Then again, years later in data center stint all I did was load paper into the line printers and tapes on the IBM 2401 tape drives. Every department is different.


A: "Hey boss, remember this guy who designed years ago this cyanide scrubber which didn't work? He's coming to work for us now."
B: "Oh great. Well, better keep him away from anything important."

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 12:54 • by Javert (unregistered)
You closed that ticket? I am the law and the law is not mocked.

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 12:54 • by BillClintonIsTheMan (unregistered)
399183 in reply to 399165
Nagesh:
Remy Porter:
Hah. Also a good catch. I know in my office, interns are not allowed to code anything.


that is odd. in our workspace, we make interns do all the work and give them back-rubs to speed their work.


Are you David Letterman?

Re: The Curse of the Night of the Ticket That Wouldn't Die

2013-01-14 13:15 • by HowItWorks (unregistered)
Using View Source, I was able to read "...The Rest of The Story" (tm Paul Harvey).

In IE the displayed article ends "a regular Critical ticket was bad enough,". After that is an html comment that doesn't terminate, thus hiding the story's conclusion.
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