Comment On The Interesting Resume, The Insecure Resume, and More

Parker Bros.:

I don't comment much, but I like to read them. That said, the "imposter" claim bugs the tar out of me. What you said was funny, but frits was clearly miffed for whatever reason. And yes, I did go through the effort of tracking the conversation even frits deleted it.

I certainly don't mind calling him an impostor, and I won't stop doing so. Some time ago (just before I registered), someone started making really stupid comments (recent example), but doing so under my name (I quickly registered my name when I realized this was happening). It's already caused some confusion among people with whom I've argued. I'm not sure why he uses the same handle and I don't really care, aside from the minor annoyance it creates for me; I usually just ignore it. Sometimes I respond to a comment chain that involves him and I make sure to add "(unregistered)" in the quote so as not to confuse anyone following it, but I usually only do this to clear up an argument or make a joke.

As for frits' comment, on occasion a long string of comments will start, where someone starts a joke, then a mass of unregistered comments posted under registered usernames follows, each adding to the same lame joke (unable to add a reference here, since the mods typically delete them). The comments are in rapid succession, and are obviously the same idiot or small circle of idiots repeatedly posting under different names. I believe this is what frits was referring to in his comment.

Ok, here goes: The usage is ironic, because it's a French word describing work history. Get it? Those wacky cheese-eating surrender monkeys don't work, for crissakes! The whole fucking country shuts down for several months two or three times a year, and the only reason anyone can get it up to organize any significant effort is to riot for some more of that internet money, guy.

I'm not your guy, pal.

boog:

Wow. You're so delusional, it's not even funny.
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b) Why should she expect to retain the child? Do you get to keep your car/house/anything if you can't afford the payments on it? Heck, if I own the car but can't afford gas, I'm not entitled to drive it or receive a handout for it.

I'm sorry, you just compared keeping your child to keeping your car, and you're accusing me of being delusional? Children aren't property asshat.

h1ppie:

Ok, here goes: The usage is ironic, because it's a French word describing work history. Get it? Those wacky cheese-eating surrender monkeys don't work, for crissakes! The whole fucking country shuts down for several months two or three times a year, and the only reason anyone can get it up to organize any significant effort is to riot for some more of that internet money, guy.

I'm not your guy, pal.

I'm not your pal, buddy.

Canuck:

h1ppie:

Ok, here goes: The usage is ironic, because it's a French word describing work history. Get it? Those wacky cheese-eating surrender monkeys don't work, for crissakes! The whole fucking country shuts down for several months two or three times a year, and the only reason anyone can get it up to organize any significant effort is to riot for some more of that internet money, guy.

I'm not your guy, pal.

I'm not your pal, buddy.

I'm not your buddy, guy.

Markp:

boog:

Wow. You're so delusional, it's not even funny.
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b) Why should she expect to retain the child? Do you get to keep your car/house/anything if you can't afford the payments on it? Heck, if I own the car but can't afford gas, I'm not entitled to drive it or receive a handout for it.

I'm sorry, you just compared keeping your child to keeping your car, and you're accusing me of being delusional? Children aren't property asshat.

Tell that to the Guatemalan family I bought my second kid from.

That last one is an all-too common thing to me living in Florida. There are LOT of people like that here (many of whom I've interviewed with) who sound exactly like "Joe".

Jack Lumber:

Canuck:

h1ppie:

Ok, here goes: The usage is ironic, because it's a French word describing work history. Get it? Those wacky cheese-eating surrender monkeys don't work, for crissakes! The whole fucking country shuts down for several months two or three times a year, and the only reason anyone can get it up to organize any significant effort is to riot for some more of that internet money, guy.

I'm not your guy, pal.

I'm not your pal, buddy.

I'm not your buddy, guy.

Thank you "Jack Lumber" .. and now you owe me a new monitor.

And a new cup of coffee.

anarchist:

DWalker59:

"Family-Friendly" shouldn't mean that you are REQUIRED to have a family! How weird. Does he want to get together and compare notes on childbirth, sex techniques, etc.?

Quote: "I don't think that word means what you think it means". (The word, of course, is "Inconceivable")

What he means is "Are you gay", without explicitly saying it, which I presume is illegal. Although knowing how the USA works, probably not.

He should have smashed that homophobic cunt's face into a bloody pulp.

Hmm, so not only do you physically assault people because they disagree with you on social issues, but you physically assault people based on your unsubstantiated speculation about what they might really believe which you acquired by wild extrapolation from what they actually said?

I guess in your world this is called "practicing tolerance".

Jay:

anarchist:

DWalker59:

"Family-Friendly" shouldn't mean that you are REQUIRED to have a family! How weird. Does he want to get together and compare notes on childbirth, sex techniques, etc.?

Quote: "I don't think that word means what you think it means". (The word, of course, is "Inconceivable")

What he means is "Are you gay", without explicitly saying it, which I presume is illegal. Although knowing how the USA works, probably not.

He should have smashed that homophobic cunt's face into a bloody pulp.

Hmm, so not only do you physically assault people because they disagree with you on social issues, but you physically assault people based on your unsubstantiated speculation about what they might really believe which you acquired by wild extrapolation from what they actually said?

I guess in your world this is called "practicing tolerance".

Probably more like "practicing anarchy".

Does it inevitably follow that someone who has committed a crime in the past will commit more crimes in the future? Of course not. But surely it doesn't take a genius to figure out that he's more likely to.

Is everyone who has ever been sent to prison guilty? Of course not. For that matter, is everyone who has never been sent to prison innocent? Of course not. But an employer has to use the information he has available. I'm sure there are people who got through college by cheating and there are prople who never went to college who know more than any college grad. That doesn't make it irrational to use a college degree as a criterion in hiring. I'm sure that every possible hiring criterion has some flaw, some way that a person not meeting that criterion could still be a better candidate. So what do you conclude from that? That we do the best we can with what information we have? Or that we pick the candidate to hire at random?

I'll bet there are many employers in the U.S. who would be willing to give an ex-con a second chance, except for one thing: The employer is legally responsible for the actions of his employees. If you hire an ex-con and he embezzles money from a client or rapes a co-worker, you, the employer, are legally liable.

DaveK:

Nelson Mandela called. He says you're being overly simplistic in your theory about just what you can infer of someone's character from the mere fact of their having been incarcerated.

Nelson Mandela who was in jail for murdering 23 people in the middle of the street because they didn't want to be communist? That one? Try again.

Tod C:

DaveK:

Nelson Mandela called. He says you're being overly simplistic in your theory about just what you can infer of someone's character from the mere fact of their having been incarcerated.

Nelson Mandela who was in jail for murdering 23 people in the middle of the street because they didn't want to be communist? That one? Try again.

Citation needed. All history I've read sees him in prison at worst for sabotage/treasonous activities. I didn't see any murder convictions.

Jay:

If you hire an ex-con and he embezzles money from a client or rapes a co-worker, you, the employer, are legally liable.

I'm pretty sure that's not the case. I.e. the employer will be liable for the money the employee embezzled to the same extent, regardless of whether the employee was an ex-con. And the employer is not liable for the employee raping a co-worker, again, regardless of whether he is an ex-con.

"I guess the moral of the story is, if you owe child support, man up and pay it, especially if your trade is IT."
Wow. That's pretty heartless and ignorant. Our child support laws are draconion, our family courts are clandestine, and the entire process is grossly unfair to fathers. In the U.S., we have abolished debtors prison...with the exception of child support debts. We order fathers to pay support based upon potential income, with no regard to their actual income and no adjustments for when they lose their jobs through no fault of their own.
The fact is, an unmarried non-custodial fathers pay more support (adjusted for income) than non-custodial mothers, and non-custodial mothers are considerably less likely to pay the support they owe than are fathers.
And at the same time, our courts do absolutely NOTHING to ensure that mothers comply with visitation orders.
The Deadbeat Dad is a myth, and we as a society desperately need to start addressing the real problems and coming up with real, equitable solutions.

Disgruntled Former Employee:

I can tell you from experience that this guy has no interest in securing a job. If you can show the judge that you have sent 20 or so letters for job applications and had no acceptance, you can generally get the judge to remit your payments and wipe the slate clean.

If you claim this from experience, then you are a liar.
Child support obligations cannot be changed retroactively. Once it is owed, it is owed, and the debts cannot be reduced. Judges can only change future payments.
Check that "experience" of your again...

whiskeyjack:

BabbyFarmer:

You is know what internet meme is?

Where DID this meme come from, anyway? Someone actually asked this? I'd love to see the archives of that thread :P

So go ahead. Here, lmgtfy.
Akismet is a bitch, a whiny little bitch, and if it doesn't like my post, i'll beat it with a switch! HUZZAH!

Dan Neely:

phreno:

Much in the same way that English Gentlemen are really cultural descendants of Normands.

You know, the French.

Except that they're not. The Normans were a group of Vikings (Norsemen) who conquered part of France and after a few generations decided it was hopelessly fubar as a long term base and decided to conquer somewhere with a better grade of peasant to oppress.

Amazing miss, friend.

You even state yourself that the Normands settled and lived in France for generations.
What, did you think they weren't tapping the local talent?

What about the later centuries of allegiance and warfare, with the French and English constantly beating, killing, trading and fucking each other into a bizarre normalization (the Dutch)? With the state of the history, I could have made just about any lineage claim I wanted regarding any region of Europe. As it turns out, people have been fucking there for THOUSANDS OF YEARS!!! :D

immitto:

whiskeyjack:

BabbyFarmer:

You is know what internet meme is?

Where DID this meme come from, anyway? Someone actually asked this? I'd love to see the archives of that thread :P

So go ahead. Here, lmgtfy.

Following that lmgtfy was worth it to see this:

Alright, alright, you're right, I should have Googled.

This was the most interesting read I found as a result of that link.

http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=1572

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Freiheit:

"While hiring a welder on a work-release program is one thing, hiring an IT professional and giving them access to your systems is another."

Yea. When an IT guy screws up there is a lot less risk of a critical structural failure, an explosion, a fire, electrocution, and general industrial accidents.

There is quality checking with welding but most IT work is treated as individual basket weaving where nothing but obvious superfical features are looked at by others.

Uhhh:

True... But a 'rm -rf /' on the file server or deleting the RAID on the Exchange server is generally not covered by insurance. In the "White Collar" world, the biggest disaster is being unable to access information.

Unfortunately niether is installing MS Exchange in the first place.

"When an IT guy screws up there is a lot less risk..."

Yo, man, did you ever hear of SCADA?
Yo, man, did you ever hear of HIPAA?
Yo, man, did you ever hear of customer databases, with credit card numbers, SSN?

I'm sure you're trolling...

wtf:

THRWTF is the phrase "man up". How did this pseudo-macho idiocy become legitimized as English, and how can we make people stop using it?
Worse yet, in the Times the other day, someone one quoted asserting that a certain politician needed to "leader up". I didn't read any further, as I'd clawed out my eyes to stop the burning.

I prefer "cowboy up."

captcha -> incassum thing happens

It's bad enough people get pressure from family and friends on getting married and having kids, but the CFO?? That's just too much.

And yes, it is illegal to ask those questions.

captcha -> nulla

Jeremy:

Dave:

TRWTF is having a child and not supporting that child. Maybe if more men took their responsibilities as fathers and men more seriously, we'd have fewer screwed up kids.

Man up, men!

QFT

steve martin:

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Is this a new meme in the making? The next Bert Glanstrom?

The Daily WTF:

Actually, the irony is as thick as maple soup: he advertises (with a pencil, on lined paper) that he is a master of electronic data.

People in jail/prison are often not allowed access to computers, typewriters, pens, or other complex writing instruments. A friend of mine spent a month in jail, and the inmates weren't even allowed to have full-length pencils. They were given extremely short pencils with points that were deliberately dull, to limit their use as improvised weapons.

JJ:

steve martin:

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Is this a new meme in the making? The next Bert Glanstrom?

Nope, just some good old fashioned spam that Akismet totally failed to block, as per usual.

We really should reise above these silly jokes

Anonymous:

jasmine2501:

Yes, all of those questions are illegal - not illegal to ask though. You can ask anything you want in an interview, but there's a whole class of stuff you aren't supposed to use to make the hiring decision. However, if you asked it, the assumption is that you're going to use the information, and that it might influence your decision in some subtle way even if it's not 'officially' used in a hiring decision. You are much better off not asking. And yes, if someone asked me any of those questions they would be hearing from a lawyer.

You'd honestly try to litigate? That's ridiculous, I'd just move on to the next interview and forget about it. What would be the charge? Would you try to sue them for money or what? Forgive me, I don't really understand the US culture of litigation, but I don't see you could legitimately claim for compensation so what's the point? What's your endgame?

I never understood that, myself. If you get turned down on the basis of an illegal question, would you sue for them to give you the job anyway? That'd make for one hostile work environment.

Mike:

Uhhh:

True... But a 'rm -rf /' on the file server or deleting the RAID on the Exchange server is generally not covered by insurance.

Your disaster plan would cover it, and the downtime would be regulated by the SLA so how rm -rf could ever be a problem anywhere is beyond me ^^

Hi there. I write EMR software. It keeps people's medical records and prescription histories. Despite frequent reminders, many of our customers don't keep regular backups. Does this answer your question?

Huh? I though was what they said in the showers in jail...

That's a lawsuit you would **never** win unless someone in the company's HR department ratted them out, complete with internal documentation that stated flat out "Applicant X was doing great until they answered X to (illegal question) so we're not gonna hire them because of that". Short of that the company's lawyer would simply say, "The question may have been...inappropriate...but was not a factor in the hiring decision" and you'd be out of luck. You'd still owe *your* lawyer a bundle, of course... Moral of story: if a company asks questions like that, be glad you don't work there.

Markp:

Tod C:

DaveK:

Nelson Mandela called. He says you're being overly simplistic in your theory about just what you can infer of someone's character from the mere fact of their having been incarcerated.

Nelson Mandela who was in jail for murdering 23 people in the middle of the street because they didn't want to be communist? That one? Try again.

Citation needed. All history I've read sees him in prison at worst for sabotage/treasonous activities. I didn't see any murder convictions.

It's a perfect example of the circular reasoning I was criticizing - he's been in jail, therefore he must be bad. Oh, plus anything you don't like is exactly the same as anything else you don't like, so throw "communist" in there because that means "bad" too. Transparently prejudiced conclusion-first-evidence-later bass-ackwards reasoning.
Ironically, 23 people is the exact number that the SA apartheid-era authorities claimed were killed in the Soweto uprising. Nobody believed them.

amischiefr:

anon:

Regardless I'm reasonably certain that it's illegal to discriminate on hiring based on marital status.

It is actually illegal just to ask the question. You are not allowed to ask if somebody is married, sexual preference, has children, nationality or religion.

It is actually legal to ask about nationality -- or, more accurately, to ask whether the person is a US citizen. And it's certainly legal (and in fact technically mandatory) to ask if they can legally work in the US.

In some industries, citizenship may be significant beyond just whether or not they are legally able to work. If your product is controlled under ITAR (export restricted), then you can't let foreign nationals see it, because that constitutes an export. But I think all that's relevant is the person's citizenship, not the nationality of their birth.

Disgruntled Former Employee:

Schnapple:

Dave:

TRWTF is having a child and not supporting that child. Maybe if more men took their responsibilities as fathers and men more seriously, we'd have fewer screwed up kids.

While it may not apply in this situation (19 mostly 1-2 month jobs in 9 years says a lot), I'm going to go to bat and say that it's entirely possible for someone to fall behind on their child support payments because they've been laid off. The courts are very unforgiving about this, depending on what state you're in (thinking in terms of the USA here). I've read reports of people who have been laid off, been without work for months due to a crappy economy, and been told by the courts that it doesn't matter - they had better find some way to shit the money or they're going to jail. Nevermind that they're broke and can demonstrate how they've been laid off. Nevermind that the mother has gone on to marry someone financially secure so the child is in no danger.

That said, the reason the courts are so harsh in this area is that it would be entirely possible, and easy, to just get yourself fired and then draw welfare and have no way to support your kids. Some would rather do that than give money to their ex which they hate.

Meanwhile, their ex who is also on welfare is getting extra state dollars because she has custody of the kid. That's good, because she needs the extra money to buy cigarettes. No need to use that money for groceries because the kid can eat at school for free.

totally agree that people should take care of their kids; however, I have seen more parents who are together and involved screw up their kids because they are more concerned about themselves than taking care of their kids. I am talking about people taking 4 kids (all less than 8 years old) to a rated R movie at 10:00 pm. Or when I have seen parents let their 4 year old out-weigh a 10 year old. You do not have to fail supplying a check to be a bad parent. And before you jump to conclusions, I am a father of 3, where I take care of my kids.

Maybe if men and women took responsibility and put their children first then we would have fewer screwed up kids. Maybe if people stopped having children before they were ready we would have fewer screwed up kids. and maybe if women stopped sleeping with idiotic, douchebag, jerks, we would have fewer screwed up kids.

phreno:

Dan Neely:

phreno:

Much in the same way that English Gentlemen are really cultural descendants of Normands.

You know, the French.

Except that they're not. The Normans were a group of Vikings (Norsemen) who conquered part of France and after a few generations decided it was hopelessly fubar as a long term base and decided to conquer somewhere with a better grade of peasant to oppress.

Amazing miss, friend.

You even state yourself that the Normands settled and lived in France for generations.
What, did you think they weren't tapping the local talent?

What about the later centuries of allegiance and warfare, with the French and English constantly beating, killing, trading and fucking each other into a bizarre normalization (the Dutch)? With the state of the history, I could have made just about any lineage claim I wanted regarding any region of Europe. As it turns out, people have been fucking there for THOUSANDS OF YEARS!!! :D

Quite true. And it's not like "the French" are really a single people -- any more than the British are. The Bretons still have a distinct language, for goodness sakes.

Freiheit:

"While hiring a welder on a work-release program is one thing, hiring an IT professional and giving them access to your systems is another."

Yea. When an IT guy screws up there is a lot less risk of a critical structural failure, an explosion, a fire, electrocution, and general industrial accidents.

Yeah. The last thing you want is a welder on work release. Construction site thefts are a huge problem in the industry.

"Having a family means - most of the time - you can handle long term compromises and responsibility, and actually *need* the job."

You are right. As a single man, I can confirm that my landlord doesn't ask me to pay rent, and food just arrives in my kitchen without me paying anything!

There are only two types of people in the world: those who broke the law and served time and those who never got caught.

re CV length

nope keep it to 2 or 3 at max is the normal advice

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anarchist:

DWalker59:

"Family-Friendly" shouldn't mean that you are REQUIRED to have a family! How weird. Does he want to get together and compare notes on childbirth, sex techniques, etc.?

Quote: "I don't think that word means what you think it means". (The word, of course, is "Inconceivable")

What he means is "Are you gay", without explicitly saying it, which I presume is illegal. Although knowing how the USA works, probably not.

He should have manned up and smashed that homophobic cunt's face into a bloody pulp.

FTFY

Spike:

Billy The Squid:

... Employers didn't ask him "Have you been convicted", part of the screening was "Have you been charged with an offense".

I gotta call bullshit on this, every employment application i have ever filled out in my life has it worded with "convicted." Never once have i found it the other way.

Sorry, I've seen it (even one which explicitly stated "charged, even if not convicted").

Markp:

Tod C:

DaveK:

Nelson Mandela called. He says you're being overly simplistic in your theory about just what you can infer of someone's character from the mere fact of their having been incarcerated.

Nelson Mandela who was in jail for murdering 23 people in the middle of the street because they didn't want to be communist? That one? Try again.

Citation needed. All history I've read sees him in prison at worst for sabotage/treasonous activities. I didn't see any murder convictions.

He was probably thrown in jail for being late with his child support...

anarchist:

DWalker59:

"Family-Friendly" shouldn't mean that you are REQUIRED to have a family! How weird. Does he want to get together and compare notes on childbirth, sex techniques, etc.?

Quote: "I don't think that word means what you think it means". (The word, of course, is "Inconceivable")

What he means is "Are you gay", without explicitly saying it, which I presume is illegal. Although knowing how the USA works, probably not.

He should have smashed that homophobic cunt's face into a bloody pulp.

Hey, dickhead, it IS OK to hate faggots - most of us do, but we don't say so because we are tired of listening to asshats like you - go suck a goat.

Harold:

Anonymous:

wtf:

THRWTF is the phrase "man up". How did this pseudo-macho idiocy become legitimized as English, and how can we make people stop using it?
Worse yet, in the Times the other day, someone one quoted asserting that a certain politician needed to "leader up". I didn't read any further, as I'd clawed out my eyes to stop the burning.

Next time my PM is complaining about deadlines I'm going to be all like "hey man, project manager up".

The next time my wife is PMSing, I'm going to be all like, "hey, woman, period up!"

The next time someone is complaining impotently about an insignificant expression, I'm going to be all "hey man, shut up!"