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The Storage Warehouse (from Grig) The first recession I remember was in the early 1990’s, and I remember it so well because I was looking for a job. The want ads listed an opening for a UNIX admin – something which was right up my alley – so I gave the company a ring. [expand full text]
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Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 09:02 • by Brendan (unregistered)
Frisk!


[Insert grumbling about akismet here]

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 09:13 • by Nagesh
FRIST PROBABLY

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 09:15 • by WC (unregistered)
"In retrospect, they still may have been the most honest and the most ethical of all placement firms."

I'm sad to say how true that line is. We had so many problems with recruiters, and only threatening to drop them completely stopped them from sending us crappy candidates with doctored resumes. One of them hadn't even ever read what they produced for him.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 09:17 • by Nagesh
URL Rewriting mean the person wrote his own code insted of relying on url rewriting feature provided by webserver.

Why is this so complex to understand?

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 09:17 • by someguy (unregistered)
Access is the ONLY way to go... if i had a penny for every single time I heard that. That's what happens when regular office personnel goes into programming. Then people start using the "shared" application from a network drive and before you know it's an enterprise level solution with a 2GB size limitation... well, 640kb should be more than enough anyways

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 09:28 • by Andrew (unregistered)
> the development manager lead me to the board room.

It's led, please; led, OK? *Sobs at the state of the world*

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 09:32 • by Nagesh
372821 in reply to 372819
Andrew:
> the development manager lead me to the board room.

It's led, please; led, OK? *Sobs at the state of the world*


A light-emitting diode (LED) is a semiconductor light source.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 09:33 • by My name (unregistered)
"I am just sick of getting dumbass applicants."

Been there.

"I thought I’d raise the bar a little and only get smart college guys and the like."

Not done that (yet), but may give it a try!

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 09:37 • by DudeWithTude (unregistered)
The URL Rewriter one isn't really a big deal. I would take that to mean someone has experience using mod-rewrite or a similar technology to make the webserver rewrite URLs in some complex fashion.

I would rather see something like "Use mod-rewrite to produce complex URL rewrite rules", but I certainly wouldn't assume they thought they manually altered url's in stream. It wouldn't weight much against them getting a phone interview depending on the rest of the CV... although I might bring it up in that interview

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 09:49 • by Nagesh
One question people always ask is "What is most interesting project you have on your resume?"

I reply "All of them were interesting to someone or other. For me all of them held the same degree of interest only."

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 09:52 • by dgvid
372825 in reply to 372819
Andrew:
> the development manager lead me to the board room.

It's led, please; led, OK? *Sobs at the state of the world*

No, no, the manager actually did use a soft, grayish metal (atomic number 82) to prod the guy into the board room. I mean it may be soft as metals go, but you still don't want to be hit in the head with it.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 09:57 • by QJo (unregistered)
372826 in reply to 372825
dgvid:
Andrew:
> the development manager lead me to the board room.

It's led, please; led, OK? *Sobs at the state of the world*

No, no, the manager actually did use a soft, grayish metal (atomic number 82) to prod the guy into the board room. I mean it may be soft as metals go, but you still don't want to be hit in the head with it.


A semiconductor-based source of illumination made of a soft grayish metal atomic no. 82? Sorry, you've confused me ...

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 10:02 • by Ray (unregistered)
372827 in reply to 372826
QJo:

A semiconductor-based source of illumination made of a soft grayish metal atomic no. 82? Sorry, you've confused me ...


You're right, it's not allowed any more under ROHS regs.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 10:02 • by Kivi
372828 in reply to 372826
QJo:
dgvid:
Andrew:
> the development manager lead me to the board room.

It's led, please; led, OK? *Sobs at the state of the world*

No, no, the manager actually did use a soft, grayish metal (atomic number 82) to prod the guy into the board room. I mean it may be soft as metals go, but you still don't want to be hit in the head with it.


A semiconductor-based source of illumination made of a soft grayish metal atomic no. 82? Sorry, you've confused me ...


Please attempt some sensitivity. I had a son who was a semiconductor-based source of illumination made of a soft grayish metal atomic no. 82, and I assure you, it was no laughing matter.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 10:05 • by dpm
372829 in reply to 372811
We have had a problem with people leaving prematurely, so you would need to sign an agreement that you'll work here for two years.
I cannot remember a finer example of ignoring the cause when treating the problem.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 10:05 • by Rootbeer (unregistered)
You have to work pretty hard at intentionally misunderstanding "written Javascript functions" and "URL rewriting" to mean "writing on paper" and "anything other than working on code that does URL rewriting".

Come on.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 10:05 • by C-Octothorpe
372831 in reply to 372816
Nagesh:
URL Rewriting mean the person wrote his own code insted of relying on url rewriting feature provided by webserver.

Why is this so complex to understand?
I, um, agree with you...

I, I, I need to have a shower!! WASH THE DIRTY OFF!! WASH THE DIRTY OFF!!

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 10:08 • by C-Octothorpe
372833 in reply to 372822
My name:
"I am just sick of getting dumbass applicants."

Been there.

"I thought I’d raise the bar a little and only get smart college guys and the like."

Not done that (yet), but may give it a try!
I'm guessing you didn't read the last sentece in that story?
That ad was up for nearly a year in the want ads

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 10:15 • by operagost (unregistered)
dpm:
We have had a problem with people leaving prematurely, so you would need to sign an agreement that you'll work here for two years.
I cannot remember a finer example of ignoring the cause when treating the problem.
Putting a duration on this "agreement" makes it a contract, for sure. Sure, no raise for two years (or as this tale implies, ever) but you're guaranteed two years at whatever salary is in the contract. Unless you break the terms of the contract, they can't fire you without buying out your contract.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 10:21 • by geoffrey (unregistered)
372836 in reply to 372817
someguy:
Access is the ONLY way to go... if i had a penny for every single time I heard that. That's what happens when regular office personnel goes into programming. Then people start using the "shared" application from a network drive and before you know it's an enterprise level solution with a 2GB size limitation... well, 640kb should be more than enough anyways


It's not the ONLY way to go, but it can be a REASONABLE solution. Not everything needs to be high tech and bleeding edge to be effective.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 10:21 • by operagost
372837 in reply to 372813
Nagesh:
FRIST PROBABLY


Nope, Chuck Testa.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 10:24 • by XXXXX (unregistered)
372838 in reply to 372835
operagost:
dpm:
We have had a problem with people leaving prematurely, so you would need to sign an agreement that you'll work here for two years.
I cannot remember a finer example of ignoring the cause when treating the problem.
Putting a duration on this "agreement" makes it a contract, for sure. Sure, no raise for two years (or as this tale implies, ever) but you're guaranteed two years at whatever salary is in the contract. Unless you break the terms of the contract, they can't fire you without buying out your contract.

Q: Where do you see yourself in 2 years?
Don't say doing your wife...
Don't say doing your wife...
Don't say doing your wife...

Doing your son?

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 10:29 • by Ben Jammin (unregistered)
372839 in reply to 372833
C-Octothorpe:
My name:
"I am just sick of getting dumbass applicants."

Been there.

"I thought I’d raise the bar a little and only get smart college guys and the like."

Not done that (yet), but may give it a try!
I'm guessing you didn't read the last sentece in that story?
That ad was up for nearly a year in the want ads


I could see being tired of bad applicants in a recession, since they come out of the wood works. However, you do have to pay for what you ask.

CAPTCHA: pecus - Chickens eat corn with their pecus

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 10:33 • by Spider Flyer (unregistered)
372840 in reply to 372815
WC:
"In retrospect, they still may have been the most honest and the most ethical of all placement firms."

I'm sad to say how true that line is. We had so many problems with recruiters, and only threatening to drop them completely stopped them from sending us crappy candidates with doctored resumes. One of them hadn't even ever read what they produced for him.


Actually, at the recruiting companies I've worked for:

You usually don't see the resume version that's sent to the company.

The recruiter that's talking to you isn't technology based, so the specified combination of "requirements" mentioned for the "assistant manager of a storage warehouse" position wouldn't trigger any red flags in their review of the job.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 10:44 • by foo (unregistered)
372841 in reply to 372823
DudeWithTude:
The URL Rewriter one isn't really a big deal. I would take that to mean someone has experience using mod-rewrite or a similar technology to make the webserver rewrite URLs in some complex fashion.

I would rather see something like "Use mod-rewrite to produce complex URL rewrite rules", but I certainly wouldn't assume they thought they manually altered url's in stream.
Oh yes, they did. I actually know this guy. Hey, Akismet, how you're doing?

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 10:49 • by Martijn (unregistered)
Why is the middle story called "The URL rewriter"? Having that on your resume isn't that much of a WTF. The space in "Java Script" is. That space tells me the guy is confused about what Javascript is, and I wouldn't hire him for that reason. But experience with URL rewriting technology is perfectly fine. Great, even. (Though I would ask a question about it.)

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 10:57 • by Zylon
Knife, Fork and Spoon!

They fight crime!

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 11:05 • by Andrew (unregistered)
372844 in reply to 372828
Kivi:
Please attempt some sensitivity. I had a son who was a semiconductor-based source of illumination made of a soft grayish metal atomic no. 82, and I assure you, it was no laughing matter.
I was a commenter like you once, then I took a joke to the knee. And let me assure you, it was definitely a laughing matter.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 11:11 • by callcopse (unregistered)
372845 in reply to 372831
C-Octothorpe:
Nagesh:
URL Rewriting mean the person wrote his own code insted of relying on url rewriting feature provided by webserver.

Why is this so complex to understand?
I, um, agree with you...

I, I, I need to have a shower!! WASH THE DIRTY OFF!! WASH THE DIRTY OFF!!


Well, the point is a tad on the pedantic side, so surely perfect for the assembled grizzly crew? 'URL Rewriting' as a modified verb, is surely only performed during the serving of web pages. Should the applicant write 'Worked on URL Rewriting code' or ven 'Implemented URL Rewriting' or somesuch this would be more accurate.

Sorry, I could never bring myself to agree with an Octonaut, even a C one.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 11:11 • by Anketam
372846 in reply to 372839
Ben Jammin:
C-Octothorpe:
My name:
"I am just sick of getting dumbass applicants."

Been there.

"I thought I’d raise the bar a little and only get smart college guys and the like."

Not done that (yet), but may give it a try!
I'm guessing you didn't read the last sentece in that story?
That ad was up for nearly a year in the want ads
I could see being tired of bad applicants in a recession, since they come out of the wood works. However, you do have to pay for what you ask.
Yea, unfortunately the smart people he is getting are not stupid enough to take the job. But if someone was stupid enough to take the job, then he would complain that they were a dumbass.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 11:42 • by Samurai Pizza cat (unregistered)
372847 in reply to 372843
Zylon:
Knife, Fork and Spoon!

They fight crime!
ALL OVER TOWN!

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 11:42 • by C-Octothorpe
372848 in reply to 372845
callcopse:
C-Octothorpe:
Nagesh:
URL Rewriting mean the person wrote his own code insted of relying on url rewriting feature provided by webserver.

Why is this so complex to understand?
I, um, agree with you...

I, I, I need to have a shower!! WASH THE DIRTY OFF!! WASH THE DIRTY OFF!!


Well, the point is a tad on the pedantic side, so surely perfect for the assembled grizzly crew? 'URL Rewriting' as a modified verb, is surely only performed during the serving of web pages. Should the applicant write 'Worked on URL Rewriting code' or ven 'Implemented URL Rewriting' or somesuch this would be more accurate.

Sorry, I could never bring myself to agree with an Octonaut, even a C one.
Me thinks you misunderstood what I was saying... I agreed with the Nagesh that 'URL Rewriting' is perfectly valid for describing what you worked on in a development effort/project.

I was just making a joke about how agreeing with Nagesh about anything is fundamentally wrong, even when he's right.

Addendum (2012-01-24 11:52):
Forgot to mention that I wouldn't disqualfy any resume based solely on the fact that, LOLOMG they didn't write it exactly how *I* would have written it!!!1@

The other errors in that list would have made the resume destined for the paper shredder anyway...

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 11:48 • by Carl (unregistered)
Responsibilities:
* Coding in C#.net (asp.net).
* Written Java Script functions, bug fixing.
* Url rewriting.
the development manager lead me to the board room.
Missing from his list of responsibilities: English literacy superior to that of natives.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 12:05 • by Not Jimmy Wales (unregistered)
"I am just sick of getting dumbass applicants."


Am I the only person who thought he was interviewing with Red Forman?

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 12:08 • by F (unregistered)
372852 in reply to 372828
Kivi:
QJo:
dgvid:
Andrew:
> the development manager lead me to the board room.

It's led, please; led, OK? *Sobs at the state of the world*

No, no, the manager actually did use a soft, grayish metal (atomic number 82) to prod the guy into the board room. I mean it may be soft as metals go, but you still don't want to be hit in the head with it.


A semiconductor-based source of illumination made of a soft grayish metal atomic no. 82? Sorry, you've confused me ...


Please attempt some sensitivity. I had a son who was a semiconductor-based source of illumination made of a soft grayish metal atomic no. 82, and I assure you, it was no laughing matter.


Not for you, maybe, but for the rest of us it's hilarious.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 12:20 • by emurphy
“Let’s figure out a way to get your father’s experience in Electrical Engineering on your resume – that’ll certainly get you past HR and score an actual interview.”


If this was mentioned as being the guy's father's experience, then it would be a perfectly valid form of non-traditional experience, exactly as discussed. But if you trust any headhunter to do anything ethical ever, well, I've got some swampland in Nebraska that may interest you...

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 12:21 • by anonymouser (unregistered)
I like a good fork and spoon, but spoon first. After the fork, who wants the spoon?

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 12:25 • by emurphy
372856 in reply to 372848
C-Octothorpe:
Forgot to mention that I wouldn't disqualfy any resume based solely on the fact that, LOLOMG they didn't write it exactly how *I* would have written it!!!1@


Hell, I've had to repeatedly correct at least two colleagues on the difference between Java and Javascript, but then it's a .NET shop so it's pretty rare that any of us need to work directly with either. The same mistake in a J2EE shop would be orders of magnitude WTFier.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 12:27 • by Cian (unregistered)
That second one has to be made up from various bits of my current employer:

Access customised for each user - one of the pre-merger firms used to do that; causing serious legacy issues now
Poor condition HQ - one side had that; it got refitted for the merger though
Odd hiring policies to try and stop people leaving - fairly poor basic salaries and HUGE, almost impossible to not get bonuses were de rigure for the side with the bad HQ.

Its been fixed for the most part, although those Access "applications" have a habit of biting us from time to time. One massive deployment has been upsized to SQL but is otherwise the same as it was in 1993...

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 12:44 • by MrBob (unregistered)
A knife and a fork,
a bottle and a cork.
That's the way you spell New York.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 13:00 • by Coyne
The Storage Warehouse: "Let me whisper in your ear: Anyone who is smart enough to cross your bar is way too smart to work for you."

The Customizer: Clearly a business model based on banana republic military.

The URL Rewriter: To improve his résumé, he should work on moving up to URI's.

The Most Ethical: "Trust us, we are the most ethical!" said the used car salesman.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 13:25 • by Silfax
372863 in reply to 372821
Nagesh:
Andrew:
> the development manager lead me to the board room.

It's led, please; led, OK? *Sobs at the state of the world*


A light-emitting diode (LED) is a semiconductor light source.


OK - so you are brighter than the original author. I suppose that LEDs could have leaded leads.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 13:28 • by C-Octothorpe
372864 in reply to 372856
emurphy:
C-Octothorpe:
Forgot to mention that I wouldn't disqualfy any resume based solely on the fact that, LOLOMG they didn't write it exactly how *I* would have written it!!!1@


Hell, I've had to repeatedly correct at least two colleagues on the difference between Java and Javascript, but then it's a .NET shop so it's pretty rare that any of us need to work directly with either. The same mistake in a J2EE shop would be orders of magnitude WTFier.
I would agree with you in that it would be unfair to ask a .net developer what the framework feature differences between Java 1.4 and 5 are or to code a solution on paper in PHP, but christ, not knowing what Java and JavaScript are? Wow...

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 14:10 • by Jay (unregistered)
372865 in reply to 372864
C-Octothorpe:
I would agree with you in that it would be unfair to ask a .net developer what the framework feature differences between Java 1.4 and 5 are or to code a solution on paper in PHP, but christ, not knowing what Java and JavaScript are? Wow...


To be fair, dividing the word "Javascript" into two words is no evidence at all that the writer doesn't know the difference between Java and Javascript. If someone wrote on a resume that he was "skilled in database desine" I might give him a small minus for the mis-spelling, but I wouldn't conclude that he was lying about having such a skill.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 14:15 • by Jay (unregistered)
372866 in reply to 372823
DudeWithTude:
The URL Rewriter one isn't really a big deal. I would take that to mean someone has experience using mod-rewrite or a similar technology to make the webserver rewrite URLs in some complex fashion.

I would rather see something like "Use mod-rewrite to produce complex URL rewrite rules", but I certainly wouldn't assume they thought they manually altered url's in stream. It wouldn't weight much against them getting a phone interview depending on the rest of the CV... although I might bring it up in that interview


Well, okay, now that you put it that way, that may be what they meant. It still sounds funny as worded, though. Like if someone said they wanted to hire a psychiatric counselor "experienced in dying", it would be funny, even if we realized what they meant.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 14:16 • by Jay (unregistered)
The storage manager job requirements sound perfectly sensible to me. I'll bet there are lots of managers of U-Haul storage warehouses who wouldn't know how to install Apache on a Linux server if their lives depended on it.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 14:19 • by Anon (unregistered)
372868 in reply to 372817
someguy:
Access is the ONLY way to go... if i had a penny for every single time I heard that. That's what happens when regular office personnel goes into programming.


Seems to me, it happens even more often when there are Engineers working at the company. Even worse when its actually an engineering firm.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 14:21 • by Jay (unregistered)
On the serious side ... People regularly post on here, "The real WTF is PHP" or "The real WTF is VB". I hope they're joking. While languages have pros and cons and I certainly have my preferences, you can write real programs in VB and PHP is quite useful for some types of apps.

But "The real WTF is MS Access" ... that one leaves me hard-pressed to think of a counter-argument.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 14:25 • by C-Octothorpe
372870 in reply to 372865
Jay:
C-Octothorpe:
I would agree with you in that it would be unfair to ask a .net developer what the framework feature differences between Java 1.4 and 5 are or to code a solution on paper in PHP, but christ, not knowing what Java and JavaScript are? Wow...


To be fair, dividing the word "Javascript" into two words is no evidence at all that the writer doesn't know the difference between Java and Javascript. If someone wrote on a resume that he was "skilled in database desine" I might give him a small minus for the mis-spelling, but I wouldn't conclude that he was lying about having such a skill.
Well, you're partially correct, but it's the sum of the parts (the errors) that, rightly so, raise a red flag. If the schmuck can't run a spell-check on his resume, then it makes him look lazy and uncaring. A resume is supposed to sell you, show your highlights, not a list of typos and errors that can easily be fixed.

That being said, I wouldn't rule someone out based solely on a typo or two, especially if they have some interesting experience.

Re: The Storage Warehouse, The Most Ethical, and The Customizer

2012-01-24 14:28 • by Jay (unregistered)
Okay, a meandering tangent, but ... The "we are the most ethical" remainds me of a news story I saw recently.

They interviewed a policeman who said he received a routine call that someone at a motel was playing excessively loud music in the middle of the night and generally being disruptive. So the policeman went to the motel room and knocked on the door. A man opened the door, saw the policeman, and immediately said, "I swear, she said she was over 18!" The policeman then commented to the reporter, "When this is the first thing a person says, you know that the rest of the conversation is not going to go well."

When someone finds it necessary to repeatedly assure me how honest they are, when I have not questioned their honesty at all, well, it just makes me a little nervous.
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