Comment On The Tim Problem

While many developers sit behind a desk, only seeing the sun on their way to and from the parking lot, Mike felt lucky that he got to travel all around the country performing installations of his company's enterprise software. He enjoyed seeing new places, exploring the local nightlife, and most importantly for a business traveler, expensing everything to a corporate account. [expand full text]
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Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 09:05 • by ObiWayneKenobi
So, to summarize:


Highly-Paid Consultant (HPC) goes to client site, finds moron as "IT Administrator" who hasn't done any prereqs he was asked to and asks ridiculous questions, impeding training. HPC sends moron away with mindless busywork so he can train the users. On the return flight, HPC erases all of moron's work and takes a nap.


Also, first.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 09:10 • by Matt Westwood (unregistered)
A tale worthy of The Office. Imagining Ricky Gervais as Tim Brent.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 09:11 • by Anon (unregistered)
What format do you want these comments in? I can do Excel, Word, Access or CSV.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 09:12 • by Anon (unregistered)
315580 in reply to 315577
ObiWayneKenobi:

Also, first.


Can you go back and put first all in uppercase? Also switch the r and the i. Then add your department and phone number. See you in a couple of hours.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 09:12 • by bp (unregistered)
315581 in reply to 315579
XML.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 09:16 • by Kerin (unregistered)
315582 in reply to 315577
Awesome. Summing up IN ADDITION TO a "first" post is way less likely to get deleted, and it's way easier than actually contribuing!  Way to maximize synergies and utilize ideal cost-to-result ratios, guy. 

To wit, the real WTF is that he didn't have Tim supply the data in an XML file. I thought they were an enterprise!

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 09:17 • by Knux2 (unregistered)
Most excellent.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 09:21 • by Dilbertino (unregistered)
Mike should move up to Spider. It's more challenging (ergo takes more time) than Freecell.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 09:25 • by Izhido (unregistered)
... of course, TRWTF here is that this insensitive clod Mike sent poor, hard-working Tim to do lots of things, just to erase them on his flight home... that bastard Mike. Am I right?

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 09:31 • by Rodnas (unregistered)
315591 in reply to 315580
Anon:
ObiWayneKenobi:

Also, first.


Can you go back and put first all in uppercase? Also switch the r and the i. Then add your department and phone number. See you in a couple of hours.


FRIST - ITC - +31 70 3123456

Done.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 09:32 • by jonnyq
Izhido:
... of course, TRWTF here is that this insensitive clod Mike sent poor, hard-working Tim to do lots of things, just to erase them on his flight home... that bastard Mike. Am I right?


That's great. Can we get that in a monospace font?

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 09:35 • by Steve The Cynic
315594 in reply to 315591
Rodnas:
FRIST - ITC - +31 70 3123456

Done.


No, No, No. The number should be 8675309

(Showing my age...)

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 09:50 • by BlueCollarAstronaut (unregistered)
hmm, it's nice that it supports thin client access and works over Terminal Services, but is there any way to make it work over a network so the user doesn't have to be physically in the office to use the software?

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 09:51 • by pitchingchris
315596 in reply to 315594
Great story. I'll have to remember this trick if I'm ever in the same situation.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 09:55 • by Dazed (unregistered)
Ah, that takes me back. I once had a project where I and a colleague went to the client site to do two days of prototype integration testing. After the first hour or two we worked out that the most efficient approach was for one of us to do all the work and the other to keep the customer representative at a safe distance. He was actually quite a nice chap, but definitely not the person to have around when you're doing something on a fixed price basis.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 10:01 • by pitchingchris
315598 in reply to 315597
Dazed:
Ah, that takes me back. I once had a project where I and a colleague went to the client site to do two days of prototype integration testing. After the first hour or two we worked out that the most efficient approach was for one of us to do all the work and the other to keep the customer representative at a safe distance. He was actually quite a nice chap, but definitely not the person to have around when you're doing something on a fixed price basis.


you must be mike's coworker

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 10:01 • by RBiter (unregistered)
At the beginning of the story I was thinking, why is he "the Tim." As the story developed I knew why.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 10:01 • by The Nerve (unregistered)
Let me tell you the best way to convert all of these comments to Spanish.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 10:07 • by Kyle Z. (unregistered)
Just an ordinary day on IT... Sad but true!

I'll remember that when I face a guy like Tim again.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 10:24 • by GettinSadda
315602 in reply to 315600
The Nerve:
Let me tell you the best way to convert all of these comments to Spanish.

http://tinyurl.com/2woothz

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 10:29 • by toth
we're just going to type them in by hand.


TRWTF

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 10:36 • by Balentius (unregistered)
No, the REAL wtf is that it took Tim an hour to add the phone number and extension... Did he have to go around to each desk and look at it?

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 10:39 • by whiskeyjack (unregistered)
I've seen people like that. They either have self-esteem issues, or an inferiority complex, or both. They MUST be seen as helpful, and knowledgeable, and smarter than anyone else in the room. They'll make comments that have no purpose other than to tell everyone else in the room "Look at me! I know what I'm talking about! I'm so smart!"

To bring in someone else who actually DOES know something more than they do, is seen as a personal affront and a challenge.

Unfortunately, these people are everywhere. There are salesmen working in stores who cannot stand the possibility that the customer might know more about the product than they do. Conversely, there are customers who enter absolutely confident that they know more about the product than any salesmen or even the engineers or contractors responsible for creating or installing the product. Trades, renovations, contracting, software, sales, food service, you name it, "Tims" are everywhere.

Luckily there are various techniques to out-Tim the Tims.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 10:39 • by Skawt (unregistered)
How do I become an traveling consultant guy? You could even skip the highly paid part, I just want to travel at someone elses expense.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 10:40 • by t-bone
315607 in reply to 315591
Rodnas:
Anon:
ObiWayneKenobi:

Also, first.


Can you go back and put first all in uppercase? Also switch the r and the i. Then add your department and phone number. See you in a couple of hours.


FRIST - ITC - +31 70 3123456

Done.


I call shenanigans

There is no ITC department in the Belgian embassy in The Hague, Netherlands. (where the phone number goes to, call it)

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 10:43 • by boog (unregistered)
Finally, when he saw a PGP file, he commended Mike's team for using "Plain-Good Privacy" security methods.

WTF? Plain-Good?

Captcha: luctus; It's kind of like a lucky cactus.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 10:46 • by Gram ma (unregistered)
315609 in reply to 315608
boog:
Finally, when he saw a PGP file, he commended Mike's team for using "Plain-Good Privacy" security methods.

WTF? Plain-Good?


Way to miss a joke there.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 10:47 • by Anon (unregistered)
315610 in reply to 315608
boog:
Finally, when he saw a PGP file, he commended Mike's team for using "Plain-Good Privacy" security methods.

WTF? Plain-Good?

Captcha: luctus; It's kind of like a lucky cactus.

To be fair, I was never a fan of the name Pretty Good Privacy anyway.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 10:50 • by Swedish tard (unregistered)
315611 in reply to 315597
Dazed:
Ah, that takes me back. I once had a project where I and a colleague went to the client site to do two days of prototype integration testing. After the first hour or two we worked out that the most efficient approach was for one of us to do all the work and the other to keep the customer representative at a safe distance. He was actually quite a nice chap, but definitely not the person to have around when you're doing something on a fixed price basis.


That is the exact reason we send two techs to every customer when they pay for on site support. One to fend off nosy managers so that the one with his/her back free can get the job done. >.<
We are also the most expensive in the business, but apparenty our customers really love our great work.. Ah well. :) Good pay at least.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 10:50 • by Dries K (unregistered)
315612 in reply to 315578
My thoughts exactly. This plot only lacks a Freelove Freeway alternative to make for a genuine training day.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 10:55 • by Machtyn (unregistered)
315613 in reply to 315579
Anon:
What format do you want these comments in? I can do Excel, Word, Access or CSV.


I would like mine in XHTML.

(I would have said XML, but someone took that answer)

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 11:06 • by Buddy (unregistered)
315614 in reply to 315610
Anon:

To be fair, I was never a fan of the name Pretty Good Privacy anyway.


How about DSMP? Doesn't Suck Much

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 11:26 • by Mike (unregistered)
315615 in reply to 315585
Dilbertino:
Mike should move up to Spider. It's more challenging (ergo takes more time) than Freecell.


Really? I find Freecell more challenging than even the advanced levels of spider.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 11:29 • by Mike (unregistered)
315617 in reply to 315610
Anon:
To be fair, I was never a fan of the name Pretty Good Privacy anyway.


Well, since it was a product of "Phil's Pretty Good Software" then I think it was a Pretty Good name. They also had a couple of Pretty Good games and a Pretty Good command-shell replacement, if I recall. And that's probably right, because I have a Pretty Good memory.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 11:34 • by newfweiler
315618 in reply to 315617
Mike:
Anon:
To be fair, I was never a fan of the name Pretty Good Privacy anyway.


Well, since it was a product of "Phil's Pretty Good Software" then I think it was a Pretty Good name. They also had a couple of Pretty Good games and a Pretty Good command-shell replacement, if I recall. And that's probably right, because I have a Pretty Good memory.


I bought my copy at Ralph's Pretty Good Grocery. "If we don't have it, you probably can get along without it."

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 12:00 • by Inigo Montoya (unregistered)
315620 in reply to 315595
BlueCollarAstronaut:
hmm, it's nice that it supports thin client access and works over Terminal Services, but is there any way to make it work over a network so the user doesn't have to be physically in the office to use the software?


And while you're at it, can you come up with a version that can be used in an embedded system environment? Don't forget that there might not be a file system present!

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 12:11 • by Dilbertino (unregistered)
315621 in reply to 315615
Mike:
Dilbertino:
Mike should move up to Spider. It's more challenging (ergo takes more time) than Freecell.


Really? I find Freecell more challenging than even the advanced levels of spider.


Well, Freecell games are (almost) all winnable, having streaks of a few dozen wins is not that hard for experienced players. Advanced Spider is much less 'winnable', so that could be defined as more challenging : )

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 12:22 • by Mogri (unregistered)
315622 in reply to 315615
Mike:
Dilbertino:
Mike should move up to Spider. It's more challenging (ergo takes more time) than Freecell.


Really? I find Freecell more challenging than even the advanced levels of spider.


If someone tells you he's beaten four-suit Spider Solitaire, he is lying.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 12:31 • by Spider Flyer (unregistered)
315625 in reply to 315622
Really?? Then I must be lying.

That's what the 'undo card' and 'continue game' features are for.

Four-suit Spider Solitaire is like the 'remove-tile' Majong games: if you don't get the first time, back up and try again, and again, and ...

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 12:33 • by bl@h (unregistered)
To the frist poster:

Could I have a couple extra fields displayed within my thin clients interface to TDWTF and could I also have them sorted please? And if you could come in on Saturday that would be great mmmmk?

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 12:35 • by warrior (unregistered)
"Tim" is really Michael Scott, right?

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 12:39 • by wtf (unregistered)
315628 in reply to 315625
Spider Flyer:
Really?? Then I must be lying.

That's what the 'undo card' and 'continue game' features are for.

Four-suit Spider Solitaire is like the 'remove-tile' Majong games: if you don't get the first time, back up and try again, and again, and ...


If you can't beat the game, defeat the purpose.
What's with this solitaire crap, anyway? Have you people never heard of rogue?

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 12:47 • by boog (unregistered)
315629 in reply to 315609
Gram ma:
Way to miss a joke there.

Right. That's what I was doing. Thanks for the assessment.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 13:08 • by Tommy Tutone (unregistered)
315630 in reply to 315594
Steve The Cynic:
Rodnas:
FRIST - ITC - +31 70 3123456

Done.


No, No, No. The number should be 8675309

(Showing my age...)


Okay, why are you living with Jenny?!?!

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 13:19 • by badcaseofspace
public class Tim : IFailure

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 13:22 • by SpiderJunky (unregistered)
315633 in reply to 315622
Ha! It can be done... just takes a red-eyed trance state

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 13:24 • by Jaime
315634 in reply to 315606
Skawt:
How do I become an traveling consultant guy? You could even skip the highly paid part, I just want to travel at someone elses expense.

Trust me, don't do it. You'll end up with fun weekends where your return flight gets delayed and you get back to your home airport a few hours before the next flight leaves. There will be 10,000 other travel annoyances from pretty to disastrous, all so that you can see the places where tourists don't want to go. Conferences and training seminars are sometimes in cool places, but consulting gigs are usually in places like Bloomfield Connecticut, which is basically a 100 square mile office park.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 13:26 • by Dilbertino (unregistered)
315635 in reply to 315628
wtf:

What's with this solitaire crap, anyway? Have you people never heard of rogue?


I don't even want to know how many K-hours I've spent playing Rogue (DOS version)... and still never finished it without save-and-restore. Every two years or so, I spend a few manic weeks trying... It is my solemn goal to finish it (cleanly) before I die!!! (*_*)

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 13:26 • by The Other Tim (unregistered)
315636 in reply to 315604
Balentius:
No, the REAL wtf is that it took Tim an hour to add the phone number and extension... Did he have to go around to each desk and look at it?
I think you guys are being a little too harsh. One time I had to add a phone number column, but the data was in Office 2007 format, so I had to upgrade. I downloaded the install image, but it was too big for my CD. So I had to put it on a DVD. My computer didn't have a DVD drive so I bought one and installed it. That made an interrupt conflict with my zip drive, so I had to upgrade to Windows Vista. And after that, things got really nasty.

So if he did it in an hour I think that's Pretty Good.

Re: The Tim Problem

2010-07-27 13:31 • by Bryan The K (unregistered)
315637 in reply to 315627
warrior:
"Tim" is really Michael Scott, right?


Close, Dwight Schrute
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