Comment On We Need a Body

Although Brice hadn't been on the job for very long, he'd gotten pretty comfortable with leading technical interviews. He'd quickly compiled a stock set of questions that could weed out the hacks. Questions that immediately disqualify you for the position if you get them wrong: What is your first name? Name a .NET language. Questions that almost certainly disqualify you if you get them wrong: What datatype would you use to store a string of characters? Is it C sharp or C pound? [expand full text]
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Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 21:38 • by Mark (unregistered)
It's D-flat!

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 22:14 • by ClaudeSuck.de (unregistered)
181922 in reply to 181725
Xorandnotor:
Octothorpe? First time I hear that one. I *love* it.


Has anyone used C-square yet? It is kind of legal, too.

http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-oct1.htm

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 23:21 • by Rick (unregistered)
181927 in reply to 181624
'Oglethorpe'?

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 23:53 • by Anonymous Coward (unregistered)
181928 in reply to 181679
feep:
C plus plus plus plus :)
Actually, that's how I explain to the occasional-programmer engineery types what it is. Mind you I make a point to explain that it's actually called C-Sharp.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 00:52 • by emurphy
181930 in reply to 181909
Bill Ablehours:
What kind of company was this? If they do contract work and bill by the hour, I can believe they would hire the most incompetent guy they could find, as long as they had one competent guy to complete the job.


As always, this is the stupid way to deal with hourly billing: a rival who demonstrates themselves as competent and fair can steal the client. The smart way is to be competent and fair yourself, and make money by way of the client finding more useful work for you to do.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 01:36 • by ActionMan
I always called it C hash, because the # symbol is most commonly pronounced "hash" in these parts...

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 01:56 • by J (unregistered)
181934 in reply to 181624
SnapShot:
So which is it, C Sharp, C pound, C hash, C number sign or C octothorp?


In Germany it's also called C Gartenzaun.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 02:01 • by Ubiquitous (unregistered)
181935 in reply to 181624
C-whothefuckcares

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 03:27 • by captain obvious (unregistered)
181937 in reply to 181625
Andy Goth:
Seriously, it took me a couple years to figure out that C# really is pronounced "C-sharp". I had assumed "C-pound" on account of "C-sharp" being too punny and already in use for several projects.

I can't figure out if that disqualifies me from commenting here or makes me a valued asset to the WTF community.

If you have done more than a few hour's work in C#, you would eventually need help and need references time to time, often the quickest way to do this is online. The number of sites that have "sharp" in the URL means you should pick it up very quickly.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 04:03 • by Fernando (unregistered)
181940 in reply to 181808
He was partly right, tictactoe is also called the cat's game, and probably it's called "gato" (cat) in some regions.

It's called "tres en raya" where I live.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 04:24 • by erisdiscordia (unregistered)
181941 in reply to 181626
Andy Goth:
Ooh, I know! C-tictactoe!


If God were just, that would be a featured comment.

e.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 04:38 • by Bitter Like Quinine (unregistered)
181942 in reply to 181624
So which is it, C Sharp, C pound, C hash, C number sign or C octothorp?

You are forgetting to take into account that this is a Microsoft language.

First, the 'c' is hard as in "ker", everyone makes the mistake of using the soft 'c' ("see"), but Bill-ville thought that there was room in the pronunciation market for another standard.

Second, the Microsoft standard pronunciation of '#' is not sharp or pound but "ching!" (complete with exclamaion mark).

So, obviously, the correct pronunciation of C# is "Ker-ching!"

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 04:46 • by Steve (unregistered)
It's C# - C Sharp

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 04:54 • by Kiss me I'm Polish
181945 in reply to 181944
Steve:
It's C# - C Sharp

C-tictactoe and get over it already!

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 04:57 • by Kiss me I'm Polish
181946 in reply to 181871
desmo:
Actually, no. C sharp is 1/2 a tone higher than C, not 1/2 an octave. B is half a tone lower than C. C# == D flat.
Actually, no.
C# is slightly higher than D flat. Every violin player will tell you that.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 05:05 • by betlit
actually, it's 'C garden fence'.

here in switzerland (and i think in (some parts of?) germany as well) the # sign is called 'garden fence' by many people ;)

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 05:21 • by Cope with IT (unregistered)
181948 in reply to 181766
Spectre:
Smeghead:
In UK that would be C-Hash ;)


Why not C-marijuana then?

Anyway, its C-equals sign-equals sign.

Could actually also be C-double-non-parallel...

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 05:21 • by Anon Barbarzyńca (unregistered)
181949 in reply to 181691
Kederaji:
It's pronounced C-durIdon'treadthethreadbeforeposting.


No, it's spelled C-durIdon'treadthethreadbeforeposting but you pronounce it as Throat Warbler Mangrove.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 05:36 • by jo-82
181951 in reply to 181947
betlit:
actually, it's 'C garden fence'.

here in switzerland (and i think in (some parts of?) germany as well) the # sign is called 'garden fence' by many people ;)


Yes, my little niece would call it like this.
In germany it is called "C-Raute". According to my dictionary, the proper english word would be C-Diamond or C-Lozenge.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 05:39 • by Bussola (unregistered)
181953 in reply to 181624
From the official C# language specification 3.0:
"C# (pronounced “See Sharp”) is a simple, modern, object-oriented, and type-safe programming language. C# has its roots in the C family of languages and will be immediately familiar to C, C++, and Java programmers. C# is standardized by ECMA International as the ECMA-334 standard and by ISO/IEC as the ISO/IEC 23270 standard. Microsoft’s C# compiler for the .NET Framework is a conforming implementation of both of these standards."

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 05:56 • by dkf (unregistered)
181954 in reply to 181697
poochner:
I've never known it to be used for money, though I have seen keyboards with the sterling sign at shift-3, rather than the hash.
That's a UK keyboard layout.

This reminds me of when there used to be a disagreement over what ASCII meant which resulted in my having to write code like this:

£include "yaddayadda.h"
...

I presume it was because the definition of ASCII had been communicated over the Atlantic by telephone, and not fax...

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 06:30 • by Zagyg (unregistered)

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 07:01 • by Oitzu (unregistered)
181957 in reply to 181763
ZakuSupporter:
There's a lot of misinformation here, but thats understandable as its all due to the internationalisation of .NET

C-pound is used by the UK
C-yen is used by Japan
C-franc is used by the Swiss
C-lira by the italians
Only the US uses C-sharp because C-dollar was taken by the canadians


whats about C-euro? :/
my fav. is C-raute, german version ;)
some other german:
C-gitter
C-gartenzaun

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 07:05 • by Vituiksman from Finland (unregistered)
181958 in reply to 181624
SnapShot:
So which is it, C Sharp, C pound, C hash, C number sign or C octothorp?


C sharp (see Sharp), altough some of the C# developers tend to cry a lot.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 07:05 • by s. (unregistered)
Tell me people please why in the world would you ever call '#' a pound?

£ is a pound. # is a hash.

It's just like calling '@' a dollar sign.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 07:12 • by Dan (unregistered)
181960 in reply to 181624
Originally, I think it was C plus plus plus plus.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 07:12 • by Dan (unregistered)
181961 in reply to 181624
Originally, I think it was C plus plus plus plus.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 07:16 • by Anonymous Comic Critic (unregistered)
I choose C - None of the above

BustedTeesGirl++

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 07:36 • by Benn
181963 in reply to 181946
Kiss me I'm Polish:
C# is slightly higher than D flat. Every violin player will tell you that.

Forgive my pedantry, but this completely depends on what key you're playing in, and on what instrument. When using just intonation, the C# in A major (ie, a major 3rd above the keynote) is a different note to the C# in B major, which are both different to the Db which is note 4 of Ab major. If the notes are 'accidentals', then, depending upon the style of music, a C# may be just a smidge above a C, and a fair deal flatter than Db, which is a smidge below D.

By the way, the reason that C# Major is so rare (can't be bothered to find the previous post) is that note 3 (an 'F' on the keyboard) should strictly be written as 'E#', and note 7 (a 'C') as 'B#'. That's 8 Sharps/Hashes/Octothorpes/Tic-Tac-Toe boards in the key signature, as opposed to Db major, its enharmonic equivalent, which only has the 5 flats.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 07:40 • by RainyRat (unregistered)
181964 in reply to 181640
Neither; it's pronounced "Squirrel".

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 08:19 • by Cope with IT (unregistered)
181976 in reply to 181957
Oitzu:
whats about C-euro? :/
my fav. is C-raute, german version ;)
some other german:
C-gitter
C-gartenzaun

C-Lattenzaun is also quite wide-spread over here, btw.

Apart from that: C-two-sheffer-strokes-and-an-equal-sign

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 08:22 • by KittyKat (unregistered)
WHY do I think from that smirk, he expected to get the job no mater what went on in the interview? relatives in the ocmpany prehapse?

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 08:34 • by James (unregistered)
181984 in reply to 181624
C - Noughts and crosses

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 08:37 • by De (unregistered)
181986 in reply to 181624
It's "Zeh Schweinegatter" in german.
Literally translated it would be "toe pig gate"...

(joking!)
"C" is pronounced like "zeh" and "zeh" is indeed "toe"
"Schweinegatter" is the name some peaople give that litte #-sign... sigh.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 08:45 • by John Doe (unregistered)
C

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 09:26 • by TInkerghost (unregistered)
182017 in reply to 181686
Still seems a case of extreme carelessness on the part of a great many people for # to aquire the name "pound sign".

Um, long before printers & computers .... you would indicate the bag weighed in at 24# ... hence the 'pound sign' reference.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 09:35 • by KattMan
182022 in reply to 181959
s.:
Tell me people please why in the world would you ever call '#' a pound?

£ is a pound. # is a hash.

It's just like calling '@' a dollar sign.


Because you fail to understand the different forms of measurement.

£ is a monetary pound.
# is a weight pound.

With that in mind, @ is nothing like dollar sign. To take this further, Europeans use grams for their weights, and we Americans use pounds. Therefore, in America we are not programmers, we are propounders, hence it should be c-pound in the USA.

Try finding the flaw in THAT logic.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 09:46 • by DaveK
182026 in reply to 181674
Zylon:
yougetme?:
<quote>
So which is it, C Sharp, C pound, C hash, C number sign or C octothorp?
</quote>

None of the above, its C-tic-tac-toe-board

You fail this thread.


Damn right! That's a noughts-and-crosses board, not a tic-tac-toe one!

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 09:49 • by DaveK
182029 in reply to 181977
KittyKat:
WHY do I think from that smirk, he expected to get the job no mater what went on in the interview? relatives in the ocmpany prehapse?

I believe his mater works there...

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 09:51 • by DaveK
182031 in reply to 181941
erisdiscordia:
Andy Goth:
Ooh, I know! C-tictactoe!


If God were just, that would be a featured comment.

e.


God is not just. She is a crazy woman.

Bu you ought to already know that...

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 10:12 • by Beernutts (unregistered)
182040 in reply to 181868
DeLos:
Beernutts:
I bet he doesn't even know what ESPN stands for.

Sheesh.


Wow, I thought I knew it. Got "Entertainment, Sports, ... Network". Guess I have no idea.



That was the point. no-one really knows what ESPN stnds for :)

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 10:38 • by Pope (unregistered)
182070 in reply to 181823
R:
Pope:
They found out I just wanted my own department away from the mayhem and destruction and said, "N-O."


Your mistake, of course, is that you expected to be promoted to head of your own department and not have to handle mayhem and destruction, aka Politics.

People should practice political skill to be promoted to that sort of position. Otherwise, the best you could do is redefine your job description but stay in the same department, and that's if your manager is sympathetic.


Completely agree. I thought I was doing enough by presenting solutions rather than whining about problems. Be proactive rather than reactive! But being a year out of college I still didn't know much about the work force. I still don't. I do remember saying that I would be on a six month probationary period and said I would come right back to my position if it didn't work out. I also listed all the different projects that could be done and an estimate on how much time/money it would save the company. However, I think I handled it all wrong. I should have offered to stay in my department and work on my internal applications part time. If everything worked out, and I met goals that a panel of peers and I set, eventually I could start working on my internal applications full time. I would still be a part of the regular IT department, but I would have a different title. People could still come to me for help.

I have to admit, I still don't completely understand the psychology behind the politics and beauracracy presented in the work force. What I think is logical and what happens are two completely different things.

So, for me and for everyone else who has been or is already in a similar position, how could I have done better? Thanks in advance!

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 10:43 • by some guy (unregistered)
182075 in reply to 181624
Or is it C double++?

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 11:30 • by hikari
182102 in reply to 181624
C Sharp.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 11:55 • by Josh (unregistered)
182113 in reply to 181860
Oh, come on. I was discussing the scale according to Microsoft. You Microsoft developers should feel right at home, since Microsoft likes to embrace, extend, and break the other standards they use.

Had this been a Slashdot posting, I would have posted the correct scale, which is what musicians have used for centuries, since most open source stuff is Standards based. But to blend in with the Microsoft paradigm, I had to present a bastardized standard.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 12:15 • by PeniWize (unregistered)
182117 in reply to 181624
HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Ridiculous. I laugh because nearly the exact same thing recently happened to me (I’m the one who left).

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 12:32 • by Anonymous (unregistered)
I'm only a sophomore in college, but when I read things like this, it makes me happy knowing there's a job out there for me, even if it is a WTF job. I'm not even in CS, or any kind of Software, but I feel confident that I know more than this guy. I'll probably be able to keep the job for six months, rather than three.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 12:56 • by George (unregistered)
Oh my f***ing God!

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 13:37 • by Worf (unregistered)
182150 in reply to 181918
ClaudeSuck.de:

I always wondered who-TF invented c-pound. Not even Wiki mentions it under wrong names:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_Sharp_(programming_language)#Language_name


I always took it as a Daily WTF meme that came about a couple of years ago.

Just like "Brillant" and other WTF memes used in these comments daily.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-07 13:47 • by real_aardvark
182155 in reply to 181963
Benn:
Kiss me I'm Polish:
C# is slightly higher than D flat. Every violin player will tell you that.

Forgive my pedantry, but this completely depends on what key you're playing in, and on what instrument. When using just intonation, the C# in A major (ie, a major 3rd above the keynote) is a different note to the C# in B major, which are both different to the Db which is note 4 of Ab major. If the notes are 'accidentals', then, depending upon the style of music, a C# may be just a smidge above a C, and a fair deal flatter than Db, which is a smidge below D.

By the way, the reason that C# Major is so rare (can't be bothered to find the previous post) is that note 3 (an 'F' on the keyboard) should strictly be written as 'E#', and note 7 (a 'C') as 'B#'. That's 8 Sharps/Hashes/Octothorpes/Tic-Tac-Toe boards in the key signature, as opposed to Db major, its enharmonic equivalent, which only has the 5 flats.

Well, that buggers my theory that Hans Pfitzner's symphony is in C# major (a theory based on inadequate reading of the record sleeve, plus an inability to believe that it's possible to write a symphony in C major that's not as god-awful as Wagner's). As an added bonus, I've just discovered that my prized original version of Palestrina is now worthless, because the bastards have re-issued it.

Still without reading the earlier post on this, but it's fairly indicative that the most likely place to find a piece in C# major is in "The Well-Tempered Clavier." Pick a key. Pick any key...
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