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It's D-flat!

Xorandnotor:

Octothorpe? First time I hear that one. I *love* it.

Has anyone used C-square yet? It is kind of legal, too.

http://www.worldwidewords.org/weirdwords/ww-oct1.htm

'Oglethorpe'?

feep:

C plus plus plus plus :)

Actually, that's how I explain to the occasional-programmer engineery types what it is. Mind you I make a point to explain that it's actually called C-Sharp.

Bill Ablehours:

What kind of company was this? If they do contract work and bill by the hour, I can believe they would hire the most incompetent guy they could find, as long as they had one competent guy to complete the job.

As always, this is the stupid way to deal with hourly billing: a rival who demonstrates themselves as competent and fair can steal the client. The smart way is to be competent and fair yourself, and make money by way of the client finding more useful work for you to do.

I always called it C hash, because the # symbol is most commonly pronounced "hash" in these parts...

SnapShot:

So which is it, C Sharp, C pound, C hash, C number sign or C octothorp?

In Germany it's also called C Gartenzaun.

C-whothefuckcares

Andy Goth:

Seriously, it took me a couple years to figure out that C# really is pronounced "C-sharp". I had assumed "C-pound" on account of "C-sharp" being too punny and already in use for several projects.

I can't figure out if that disqualifies me from commenting here or makes me a valued asset to the WTF community.

If you have done more than a few hour's work in C#, you would eventually need help and need references time to time, often the quickest way to do this is online. The number of sites that have "sharp" in the URL means you should pick it up very quickly.

He was partly right, tictactoe is also called the cat's game, and probably it's called "gato" (cat) in some regions.

It's called "tres en raya" where I live.

Andy Goth:

Ooh, I know! C-tictactoe!

If God were just, that would be a featured comment.

e.

So which is it, C Sharp, C pound, C hash, C number sign or C octothorp?

You are forgetting to take into account that this is a Microsoft language.

First, the 'c' is hard as in "ker", everyone makes the mistake of using the soft 'c' ("see"), but Bill-ville thought that there was room in the pronunciation market for another standard.

Second, the Microsoft standard pronunciation of '#' is not sharp or pound but "ching!" (complete with exclamaion mark).

So, obviously, the correct pronunciation of C# is "Ker-ching!"

It's C# - C Sharp

Steve:

It's C# - C Sharp

C-tictactoe and get over it already!

desmo:

Actually, no. C sharp is 1/2 a tone higher than C, not 1/2 an octave. B is half a tone lower than C. C# == D flat.

Actually, no.
C# is slightly higher than D flat. Every violin player will tell you that.

actually, it's 'C garden fence'.

here in switzerland (and i think in (some parts of?) germany as well) the # sign is called 'garden fence' by many people ;)

Spectre:

Smeghead:

In UK that would be C-Hash ;)

Why not C-marijuana then?

Anyway, its C-equals sign-equals sign.

Could actually also be C-double-non-parallel...

Kederaji:

It's pronounced C-durIdon'treadthethreadbeforeposting.

No, it's spelled C-durIdon'treadthethreadbeforeposting but you pronounce it as Throat Warbler Mangrove.

betlit:

actually, it's 'C garden fence'.

here in switzerland (and i think in (some parts of?) germany as well) the # sign is called 'garden fence' by many people ;)

Yes, my little niece would call it like this.
In germany it is called "C-Raute". According to my dictionary, the proper english word would be C-Diamond or C-Lozenge.

From the official C# language specification 3.0:

"C# (pronounced “See Sharp”) is a simple, modern, object-oriented, and type-safe programming language. C# has its roots in the C family of languages and will be immediately familiar to C, C++, and Java programmers. C# is standardized by ECMA International as the ECMA-334 standard and by ISO/IEC as the ISO/IEC 23270 standard. Microsoft’s C# compiler for the .NET Framework is a conforming implementation of both of these standards."

poochner:

I've never known it to be used for money, though I have seen keyboards with the sterling sign at shift-3, rather than the hash.

That's a UK keyboard layout.

This reminds me of when there used to be a disagreement over what ASCII meant which resulted in my having to write code like this:

  £include "yaddayadda.h"

  ...

I presume it was because the definition of ASCII had been communicated over the Atlantic by telephone, and not fax...

C-CanYouOutwitATrainedChicken

ZakuSupporter:

There's a lot of misinformation here, but thats understandable as its all due to the internationalisation of .NET

C-pound is used by the UK
C-yen is used by Japan
C-franc is used by the Swiss
C-lira by the italians
Only the US uses C-sharp because C-dollar was taken by the canadians

whats about C-euro? :/
my fav. is C-raute, german version ;)
some other german:
C-gitter
C-gartenzaun

SnapShot:

So which is it, C Sharp, C pound, C hash, C number sign or C octothorp?

C sharp (see Sharp), altough some of the C# developers tend to cry a lot.

Tell me people please why in the world would you ever call '#' a pound?

£ is a pound. # is a hash.

It's just like calling '@' a dollar sign.

Originally, I think it was C plus plus plus plus.

Originally, I think it was C plus plus plus plus.

I choose C - None of the above

BustedTeesGirl++

Kiss me I'm Polish:

C# is slightly higher than D flat. Every violin player will tell you that.

Forgive my pedantry, but this completely depends on what key you're playing in, and on what instrument. When using just intonation, the C# in A major (ie, a major 3rd above the keynote) is a different note to the C# in B major, which are both different to the Db which is note 4 of Ab major. If the notes are 'accidentals', then, depending upon the style of music, a C# may be just a smidge above a C, and a fair deal flatter than Db, which is a smidge below D.

By the way, the reason that C# Major is so rare (can't be bothered to find the previous post) is that note 3 (an 'F' on the keyboard) should strictly be written as 'E#', and note 7 (a 'C') as 'B#'. That's 8 Sharps/Hashes/Octothorpes/Tic-Tac-Toe boards in the key signature, as opposed to Db major, its enharmonic equivalent, which only has the 5 flats.

Neither; it's pronounced "Squirrel".

Oitzu:

whats about C-euro? :/
my fav. is C-raute, german version ;)
some other german:
C-gitter
C-gartenzaun

C-Lattenzaun is also quite wide-spread over here, btw.

Apart from that: C-two-sheffer-strokes-and-an-equal-sign

WHY do I think from that smirk, he expected to get the job no mater what went on in the interview? relatives in the ocmpany prehapse?

C - Noughts and crosses

It's "Zeh Schweinegatter" in german.
Literally translated it would be "toe pig gate"...

(joking!)
"C" is pronounced like "zeh" and "zeh" is indeed "toe"
"Schweinegatter" is the name some peaople give that litte #-sign... sigh.

C

Still seems a case of extreme carelessness on the part of a great many people for # to aquire the name "pound sign".

Um, long before printers & computers .... you would indicate the bag weighed in at 24# ... hence the 'pound sign' reference.

s.:

Tell me people please why in the world would you ever call '#' a pound?

£ is a pound. # is a hash.

It's just like calling '@' a dollar sign.

Because you fail to understand the different forms of measurement.

£ is a monetary pound.
# is a weight pound.

With that in mind, @ is nothing like dollar sign. To take this further, Europeans use grams for their weights, and we Americans use pounds. Therefore, in America we are not programmers, we are propounders, hence it should be c-pound in the USA.

Try finding the flaw in THAT logic.

Zylon:

yougetme?:

<quote>
So which is it, C Sharp, C pound, C hash, C number sign or C octothorp?
</quote>

None of the above, its C-tic-tac-toe-board

You fail this thread.

Damn right! That's a noughts-and-crosses board, not a tic-tac-toe one!

KittyKat:

WHY do I think from that smirk, he expected to get the job no mater what went on in the interview? relatives in the ocmpany prehapse?

I believe his mater works there...

erisdiscordia:

Andy Goth:

Ooh, I know! C-tictactoe!

If God were just, that would be a featured comment.

e.

God is not just. She is a crazy woman.

Bu you ought to already know that...

DeLos:

Beernutts:

I bet he doesn't even know what ESPN stands for.

Sheesh.

Wow, I thought I knew it. Got "Entertainment, Sports, ... Network". Guess I have no idea.

That was the point. no-one really knows what ESPN stnds for :)

R:

Pope:

They found out I just wanted my own department away from the mayhem and destruction and said, "N-O."

Your mistake, of course, is that you expected to be promoted to head of your own department and not have to handle mayhem and destruction, aka Politics.

People should practice political skill to be promoted to that sort of position. Otherwise, the best you could do is redefine your job description but stay in the same department, and that's if your manager is sympathetic.

Completely agree. I thought I was doing enough by presenting solutions rather than whining about problems. Be proactive rather than reactive! But being a year out of college I still didn't know much about the work force. I still don't. I do remember saying that I would be on a six month probationary period and said I would come right back to my position if it didn't work out. I also listed all the different projects that could be done and an estimate on how much time/money it would save the company. However, I think I handled it all wrong. I should have offered to stay in my department and work on my internal applications part time. If everything worked out, and I met goals that a panel of peers and I set, eventually I could start working on my internal applications full time. I would still be a part of the regular IT department, but I would have a different title. People could still come to me for help.

I have to admit, I still don't completely understand the psychology behind the politics and beauracracy presented in the work force. What I think is logical and what happens are two completely different things.

So, for me and for everyone else who has been or is already in a similar position, how could I have done better? Thanks in advance!

Or is it C double++?

C Sharp.

Oh, come on. I was discussing the scale according to Microsoft. You Microsoft developers should feel right at home, since Microsoft likes to embrace, extend, and break the other standards they use.

Had this been a Slashdot posting, I would have posted the correct scale, which is what musicians have used for centuries, since most open source stuff is Standards based. But to blend in with the Microsoft paradigm, I had to present a bastardized standard.

HAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! Ridiculous. I laugh because nearly the exact same thing recently happened to me (I’m the one who left).

I'm only a sophomore in college, but when I read things like this, it makes me happy knowing there's a job out there for me, even if it is a WTF job. I'm not even in CS, or any kind of Software, but I feel confident that I know more than this guy. I'll probably be able to keep the job for six months, rather than three.

Oh my f***ing God!

ClaudeSuck.de:

I always wondered who-TF invented c-pound. Not even Wiki mentions it under wrong names:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/C_Sharp_(programming_language)#Language_name

I always took it as a Daily WTF meme that came about a couple of years ago.

Just like "Brillant" and other WTF memes used in these comments daily.

Benn:

Kiss me I'm Polish:

C# is slightly higher than D flat. Every violin player will tell you that.

Forgive my pedantry, but this completely depends on what key you're playing in, and on what instrument. When using just intonation, the C# in A major (ie, a major 3rd above the keynote) is a different note to the C# in B major, which are both different to the Db which is note 4 of Ab major. If the notes are 'accidentals', then, depending upon the style of music, a C# may be just a smidge above a C, and a fair deal flatter than Db, which is a smidge below D.

By the way, the reason that C# Major is so rare (can't be bothered to find the previous post) is that note 3 (an 'F' on the keyboard) should strictly be written as 'E#', and note 7 (a 'C') as 'B#'. That's 8 Sharps/Hashes/Octothorpes/Tic-Tac-Toe boards in the key signature, as opposed to Db major, its enharmonic equivalent, which only has the 5 flats.

Well, that buggers my theory that Hans Pfitzner's symphony is in C# major (a theory based on inadequate reading of the record sleeve, plus an inability to believe that it's possible to write a symphony in C major that's not as god-awful as Wagner's). As an added bonus, I've just discovered that my prized original version of Palestrina is now worthless, because the bastards have re-issued it.

Still without reading the earlier post on this, but it's fairly indicative that the most likely place to find a piece in C# major is in "The Well-Tempered Clavier." Pick a key. Pick any key...