Comment On What The Spec?!?

I've noticed that there have been a lot of IT Project Portals popping up over the last few years; you know, the ones where you post a project and get bids from coders and companies all over the world. If you've ever used these before, you may have noticed that some of the proposals are ... umm ... slightly less-than professional. [expand full text]
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Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-03 12:57 • by
My favorite line is the last one:


"Sorry for the lots of typos but i was in a real hurry when writong this document"

He/She had time to write that comment, but not enough time to spellcheck?  priceless.


Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-03 13:58 • by David Crowell
My favorite is the 'Billing' section. That's a precise description. It's clearer than the rest...

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-03 14:28 • by

Billing


 


I won’t describe this

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-03 14:31 • by

[:O][:(][:S][:|][:'(][:@][6][:^)][+o(][*-)][8o|][^o)]


that's what I think when I get requests like this...

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-03 14:34 • by seizethedave

That sounds like a dream.  I hope there's still time to bid on that sweet baby.


Billing


 


I won’t describe this

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-03 14:36 • by
Billing is really overrated, and as for his home, maybe he lives at an
ISP?  Maybe when you drop by his house to see your orders he'll
make you some tea?

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-03 14:37 • by
Brilliant, I want to bid on this right now...  I know that if this
guy's house was robbed, my lovely e-commerce site will go with the
theif, and my goodness, I hope he has a halon system to snuff out any
fires that may crop up.  Ooh ooh, how about power issues;
redundancy, generators??  If any one actually considers
this proposal, they must be out of their f'ing minds.  



WTF![:'(]

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-03 15:08 • by
My favourite lines are:

"And a table-like something appear that ordered items reside in"

"The essence of the new order is to let us know we have a new order"

"For the product we will need a function that two pictures
One of them is the small
Other one is big"

Csaboka

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-03 15:42 • by Mike R
I'd accept it.



$300,000 up front. Non-refundable :)



Heck, I'd even host it for him, I already host my own website.

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-03 15:52 • by
I don't see the problem.  My bosses routinely hand me specs like this.

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-03 16:35 • by Jacob K
The essence of the new order is to let us know we
have a new order







Absolutely.



Priceless.

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-03 18:13 • by

A semi-unrelated WTF inspired by the OP:


Does his name (Péter) really have an accent over the E when properly spelled/pronounced, or is he just trying to be interesting?


I mean, when you say "PEE-TER", the accent already IS on the first E, why add an explicit one?


 


 

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-03 18:26 • by Guayo
Ok, maybe it's just me but I think a copy pasted post did break havoc
on the html of this thread. The funny part seems to be that the
offending post was copied from Open Office and IE can't show the full
page but FF can.



Anyway, about the "spec", it's hard to believe this was forged in Word 2002, a napkin seem more suitable to this.

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-03 19:11 • by

Billing


I won’t describe this


This just so happens to be his finest grammar and spelling in the entire document. It's also about as informative as the other sections too.

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-03 19:12 • by
someone borked their post!
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someone borked their post!

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-03 19:18 • by


Billing


I won’t describe this



This just so happens to be his finest grammar and spelling in the entire document. It's also about as informative as the other sections too.

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-03 19:19 • by
27259 in reply to 27258

PS: Is now a good time to point out this forum software is WTF'd as well?

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-03 19:19 • by
27260 in reply to 27252
You'd have a point about the spelling of the name if the mark was used
merely to mark the accented syllable.  The acute mark is
diacritical in many (most?) languages with it.  In other words, it
changes the sound.  e.g., in French it changes the pronunciation
(transcribed in English) from "puh" to "pay".



After a quick google, it appears Péter is a common Hungarian
name.  It also seems e and é are pronounced the same, or at least very similarly, in
Hungarian as they are in French.  The examples given were the e
sounds in "set" and "grey".



Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-03 19:51 • by Free

A word document? WTF! :P


So is the name pronounced pété or péteur?


 

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-03 19:57 • by Manni

English was not this person's first language, or at least I'm hoping that's the case.


On a lighter note, the forum is acting weird. On the front page it showed there were 18 replies, and when I went to view this particular thread, the notation at the bottom said "Page 1 of 1 (20 items)". Alex's initial post plus 18 replies does not equal 20. Also I was able to easily notice that there's actually only about 5 replies displayed, a far cry from the 18 that are supposedly there. Maybe they're just really REALLY short posts.

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-03 20:04 • by Manni
27264 in reply to 27263
Upon further investigation, it looks like all the responses are there in the HTML, they're just not being displayed in my browser. Sorry I don't have the time to wade through all that output Alex, hopefully you (or a motivated reader) can lead us to salvation.

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-03 20:21 • by Robz

WTF Mate!   Somehow this excerpt below explains the bad grammar and spelling and completely makes up for the whole document! [:D]


   "Sorry for the lots of typos but i was in a real hurry when writong this document"

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-03 21:31 • by init6
"Billing: I won’t describe this"

Gahhh! WTF do you want?

The worst part is I've had (my employer's) clients give me about as many details and wondered why the project ran over budget.

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-04 00:23 • by
It's also pretty amazing that he's going to host it on a satellite
system.  Those are high-latency systems, with pathetically slow
upload times (I was on one for 2 years because I live in the boonies)

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-04 02:14 • by

The original document (written in Hungarian) was published on prog.hu, a Hungarian programming community site and believe me, Péter did great job with the translation. He did not add any unnecessary typos or semantical errors -- it truly reflects the style and contents of the original document.


Funny that there were a few volunteers to implement the spec. For a reasonable amount of money, I guess :)

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-04 03:41 • by
27271 in reply to 27270
The reason for the forum quirk (in IE only as far as I can tell) was an open ended <style> tag in the second post. It caught me offguard at first too, so I posted a closing </style> before (or between) the Billing comments on the first page. To see the missing comments, try FireFox of another moz browser.

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-04 03:55 • by
27272 in reply to 27270
Err, not Péter, but Zoltán. Hungarian has reversed name order compared
to most languages, it's surname + first name instead of first name +
surname. Both Zoltán and Péter are surnames in Hungarian (like John
James) , however, so it's easy to mix them up...

Complete Document for those without Word

2005-01-04 06:33 • by


Sofware




 




 




Windows platform




 




- The server is gonna be at my home, connects to the internet through
satellite with fix IP




- There will be 2 software




 




Central software




 




This will run on my machine in Windows environment




You can set customer details with this




Enter its identifier




 




 




Client’s software




 




It will allow the client to upload his webpage




 




Forr this he must supply the indentifier we
sett at the central software




If the system accepts this identifier, he will see his data and what
design he ordered




And by clicking the next button, he can set his ftp server data




 




 




 




Module to be developed later on




 




 




- Separate ordering software




- Buildinordering accepting system




- Billing




- Domain records




 




 




Ordering software




 




- Softwar downloadable by anyone before he is our customer




 




-        
Because this
software asks at the first start if you’re already our customer or not




 




If not, a window comes up that allows registration into our database




If this is comlpeded, the software will send
us and instantly replies with the order ID




And the program had already stored it as well




 




And this system now contains a menu




 




Order è




New order




 




-        
New order: When
customer click on it, his data instantllly written into fields as procurer




And a table-like something appear that ordered
items reside in




            And
there is a menu like catalog




Inthis comes up a category window that is donloaded
from the server on demand




 




            Then
we have chosen the category




 




                                   
Then a window comes up
that shows little images for example the image of the design, this is
downloaded now as well




 




                                   
And
when we click on a picture then a bigger picture comes in – downloaded right
then




 




                       
And below the
price appears that is downloaded as well on demand now




 




And you can go to the next design or the previous




 




And or to instant order




 




                       
            And there will be a button like send
order ner the catalog button




 




Thiss will send the order for us




 




And there will be application for domain




 




You will be able to choose a plan here




 




 




 




 




Central system advancements




 




 




-        
Under the menu will
appear texts like:




 




New orders (xx)




New order (xx)




New domain request (xx)




 




This will be in background




 




                       
The
essence of the new order is to let us know we have a new order




 




A menu like this will be added: Order




 




---------------




New customer




Delete customer




---------




New category




New product




Delete producg




--------




Domain maintenance




Plans




 




The new customer è is recorded by the
customers program as well but it’s marked as new customer




 




For the product we will need a function that two pictures




One of them is the small




Other one is big




 




At the domain maintneance it will be listed whoordered domains




 




Billing




 




I won’t describe this




 




 




Domian




 




It is possible to record who has domains from us




 




 




I want to request separate bids on these




 




Sorry for the lots of typos but i was in a real hurry when writong this
document




 



Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-04 10:32 • by Guayo

It seems that my yesterday post from this thread was deleted (among others?).
There was a post yesterday containing some html that break havoc in the rendering of the page in IE. It seem to be that the culprit was a text copy/pasted from OpenOffice with a couple of <META> and <STYLE> tags. I suspect the Word 2002 document was opened in OpenOffice and then the poster copied directly from that a paragraph in the 'Rich Textbox" of the reply page.


About "the Spec", It's kind of hard to believe it was written in Word 2002, A napkin appears to be more in the level of professionalism of  "the Spec".

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-04 11:04 • by
I'm using Safari 1.2.4 (v125.12) right now and I only see a few of the replies. Yesterday with (I think) Opera 7.51 on Linux I saw the same thing. maybe one of the posts is closing the HTML or something.

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-04 11:18 • by
27280 in reply to 27260
From a linguistic standpoint, those are fairly different sounds. The
examples you found were not the best. The first is a lax vowel, and the
second is tense. A better example would be the vowel sound between
'bet' and 'bait'. This is probably not entirely correct in Hungarian,
though, as the sound in 'bait' is actually diphthongized.

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-04 14:30 • by
This forum software strikes me as pretty poor compared to phpBB.



But it runs on IIS, I guess.

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-04 14:30 • by Blue
27288 in reply to 27269
Anonymous: Thanks for schooling me about pay-tur, I wasn't intelligent
/ motivated enough to actually research it.   I am thoroughly
out-geeked by you![:D]



Re: Satellite internet - I agree, I was on DirecPC for 2 years, and it
was completely useless for uploads or online gaming, with ping times in
the 600ms range on average!  Hosting ANYTHING on such a connection
would be beyond WTF, not to mention a violation of Terms of Service for
the ISP.  (Unless they do in fact have business class satellite
internet, which I am not personally aware of.)



-blue



Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-05 03:17 • by Zka
27316 in reply to 27252
Yes, accents are for real, as i'm hungarian. We use accents regurarly [:P]

This spec is translated by me, trying to exactly reproduce all spelling
and composition shortcomings. The original hungarian pdf is available
here. Just for hungarian readers. I know there are some [;)]

http://zka.freeblog.hu/Files/spec.pdf

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-05 03:19 • by Zka
27317 in reply to 27272
Yes, people DO mix it regurarly [:'(][:D]

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-05 03:21 • by Zka
27318 in reply to 27317
Damn, this forum does not work as expected. Bah, sorry for stupid replies [:$]

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-01-05 10:13 • by
Honestly, how can you say you've viewed those IT job-auction boards without seeing ads/requests like: "make me a copy of ebay. My budget is $50."

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-04-05 01:48 • by T
32264 in reply to 27316
Zka:
Yes, accents are for real, as i'm hungarian. We use accents regurarly [:P]

This spec is translated by me, trying to exactly reproduce all spelling
and composition shortcomings. The original hungarian pdf is available
here. Just for hungarian readers. I know there are some [;)]

http://zka.freeblog.hu/Files/spec.pdf
Thanks Zka, the original is hilarious. It looks like its written by a 5 year old. Too many sentences start with "and" (és) :).



Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-12-01 20:23 • by borsi
52376 in reply to 27252
Yes, it has got.  It is a hungarian name, ant there are a lots of accented letter is this language (I'm a hungarian, too:))

Re: What The Spec?!?

2005-12-18 07:13 • by smurf
53754 in reply to 27287
Anonymous:
This forum software strikes me as pretty poor compared to phpBB.


... which is actually quite difficult.

PHP, and/or PHPBB, are past due for a WTF of their own.

Re: What The Spec?!?

2007-09-17 21:44 • by Dave (unregistered)
How do these people get through pre-school without choking on their crayons?

Re: What The Spec?!?

2007-09-18 13:50 • by foo (unregistered)
This is exactly the kind of contract that you bid "half up front" take the half and run.

Re: What The Spec?!?

2008-01-19 06:02 • by A.K.T. (unregistered)
In Russia such specs are often referred to as "One can rob corovans", after a fantasy role-playing game design document that became famous for its lameness.

Re: Complete Document for those without Word

2010-08-04 14:54 • by Relative Latecomer (unregistered)
316543 in reply to 27273
:


Sofware


&nbsp;


&nbsp;


Windows platform


&nbsp;


- The server is gonna be at my home, connects to the internet through
satellite with fix IP


- There will be 2 software


&nbsp;


Central software


&nbsp;


This will run on my machine in Windows environment


You can set customer details with this


Enter its identifier


&nbsp;


&nbsp;


Client’s software


&nbsp;


It will allow the client to upload his webpage


&nbsp;


Forr this he must supply the indentifier we
sett at the central software


If the system accepts this identifier, he will see his data and what
design he ordered


And by clicking the next button, he can set his ftp server data


&nbsp;


&nbsp;


&nbsp;


Module to be developed later on


&nbsp;


&nbsp;


- Separate ordering software


- Buildinordering accepting system


- Billing


- Domain records


&nbsp;


&nbsp;


Ordering software


&nbsp;


- Softwar downloadable by anyone before he is our customer


&nbsp;


-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Because this
software asks at the first start if you’re already our customer or not


&nbsp;


If not, a window comes up that allows registration into our database


If this is comlpeded, the software will send
us and instantly replies with the order ID


And the program had already stored it as well


&nbsp;


And this system now contains a menu


&nbsp;


Order è


New order


&nbsp;


-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
New order: When
customer click on it, his data instantllly written into fields as procurer


And a table-like something appear that ordered
items reside in


&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; And
there is a menu like catalog


Inthis comes up a category window that is donloaded
from the server on demand


&nbsp;


&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; Then
we have chosen the category


&nbsp;


&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Then a window comes up
that shows little images for example the image of the design, this is
downloaded now as well


&nbsp;


&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
And
when we click on a picture then a bigger picture comes in – downloaded right
then


&nbsp;


&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
And below the
price appears that is downloaded as well on demand now


&nbsp;


And you can go to the next design or the previous


&nbsp;


And or to instant order


&nbsp;


&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; And there will be a button like send
order ner the catalog button


&nbsp;


Thiss will send the order for us


&nbsp;


And there will be application for domain


&nbsp;


You will be able to choose a plan here


&nbsp;


&nbsp;


&nbsp;


&nbsp;


Central system advancements


&nbsp;


&nbsp;


-&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
Under the menu will
appear texts like:


&nbsp;


New orders (xx)


New order (xx)


New domain request (xx)


&nbsp;


This will be in background


&nbsp;


&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;
The
essence of the new order is to let us know we have a new order


&nbsp;


A menu like this will be added: Order


&nbsp;


---------------


New customer


Delete customer


---------


New category


New product


Delete producg


--------


Domain maintenance


Plans


&nbsp;


The new customer è is recorded by the
customers program as well but it’s marked as new customer


&nbsp;


For the product we will need a function that two pictures


One of them is the small


Other one is big


&nbsp;


At the domain maintneance it will be listed whoordered domains


&nbsp;


Billing


&nbsp;


I won’t describe this


&nbsp;


&nbsp;


Domian


&nbsp;


It is possible to record who has domains from us


&nbsp;


&nbsp;


I want to request separate bids on these


&nbsp;


Sorry for the lots of typos but i was in a real hurry when writong this
document


&nbsp;



The poster, or is this actually in the original document? <style>
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