1.3: It Pays Money

  • JimM 2008-02-13 09:05
    I love the fact that "you buy" is a statement rather than a request ;^) Interestingly, I have this conversation regularly with my wife (who is co-director in my company): I tell her about some fantastic software idea I have, she asks if there's a market for it, I say I was going to release it open source, and she asks me how I'm going to pay the rent. I'd love to have ethics, but I just can't afford them :(
  • vt_mruhlin 2008-02-13 09:14
    Alex is going to have a stern talk with me about how I’m not cut out for the web comic biz


    Woohoo, time for a promotion to management.
  • WeffJebster 2008-02-13 09:23
    ...

    I can't believe nobody's commented on his shirt. That's the funny part of this comic. The joke was predictable, but the shirt... Beautiful touch.
  • Josh 2008-02-13 09:29
    ...and the commentary has to be more accurate, as a good portion of the folks who work on Open Source do so under the pay of a company that uses it.

    On the other hand, let's ask what's being made fun of here. The idealism? The kid's assumption that he'll take over the world? Or the fact that he chose to create economic output in the form of writing open source software?

    And, let me ask: what's inherently wrong with someone who, having a lot of time on their hands, decides to write open source software? Some folks join the Peace Corps; others join groups such as habitat for humanity. Still others choose to write open source software. If it provides benefit to society in general, then that is economic output and may be valuable. Remember, the two guys in a garage that was RedHat in the mid 90's now has hundreds of millions in revenue every year.

    It appears that you're assuming because someone works on open source, that person is a slacker. You know what happens when you ASS-U-ME, but in this case it's all on you.

    Cheers,
    -J
  • PanteraCanes 2008-02-13 09:31
    Am I the only one who loves this? Maybe I'm the only one who likes getting paid for my time and knows people who are just like that? Funny stuff.

    (first ever comment on this website)
  • Volmarias 2008-02-13 09:36
    Please, just let this die a horrible stillborn death before it becomes any worse----SNIPPED a river of tears about how bad this is----

    Note from Alex: If you have yet to learn the power of ignoring things* you don't like, and truly feel the need to continue to whine about how much you hate this comic, then do so on the original announcement or in the forums or directly to me.

    I am very recepitive to feedback of any kind, but please send it to the appropriate place. As such, off-topic comments ("first!", "you suck!", "this rocks!", "why did my 'you suck!' comment get censored!?") will be deleted.

    * Igorning MFD is actually amazingly easily in this case. Here's how! if (rssTitle.startsWith("Mandatory Fun Day:") || webTitle.IsColor("Obsidianish") ignore();
    .
  • NiceWTF 2008-02-13 09:38
    Josh:
    ...and the commentary has to be more accurate, as a good portion of the folks who work on Open Source do so under the pay of a company that uses it.


    This.

    It's also a bit of a straw man argument for this reason - and not even quite funny at that, either.

    You'll need to look for some better material I'm afraid.
  • NiceWTF 2008-02-13 09:39
    Josh:
    ...and the commentary has to be more accurate, as a good portion of the folks who work on Open Source do so under the pay of a company that uses it.


    This.

    It's also a bit of a straw man argument for this reason - and not even quite funny at that, either.

    You'll need to look for some better material I'm afraid.
  • akatherder 2008-02-13 09:39
    JimM:
    I tell her about some fantastic software idea I have, she asks if there's a market for it, I say I was going to release it open source, and she asks me how I'm going to pay the rent.


    That is f'ing funny. If she isn't a techie, I can just imagine how it went the first time you explained the open-source scenario.
  • :-X 2008-02-13 09:42
    Josh:
    ...and the commentary has to be more accurate, as a good portion of the folks who work on Open Source do so under the pay of a company that uses it.

    On the other hand, let's ask what's being made fun of here. The idealism? The kid's assumption that he'll take over the world? Or the fact that he chose to create economic output in the form of writing open source software?

    And, let me ask: what's inherently wrong with someone who, having a lot of time on their hands, decides to write open source software? Some folks join the Peace Corps; others join groups such as habitat for humanity. Still others choose to write open source software. If it provides benefit to society in general, then that is economic output and may be valuable. Remember, the two guys in a garage that was RedHat in the mid 90's now has hundreds of millions in revenue every year.

    It appears that you're assuming because someone works on open source, that person is a slacker. You know what happens when you ASS-U-ME, but in this case it's all on you.

    Cheers,
    -J

    It's called a joke. Linux/open source is great, but it's not the only way. And the joke is funny. Unless of course you're sensitive about the subject... :-X
  • Codes 4 $ 2008-02-13 09:45
    Josh:
    On the other hand, let's ask what's being made fun of here. . .

    Yes, let's ask that. What's being made fun of here? The answer's easier than you propose. I think, Josh, that what's being made fun of is people like you. ;)
  • Schnapple 2008-02-13 09:59
    Josh:
    On the other hand, let's ask what's being made fun of here. The idealism? The kid's assumption that he'll take over the world? Or the fact that he chose to create economic output in the form of writing open source software?


    As others have pointed out, it's a joke. And it's an exaggerated caricature of the open source movement and the people who believe in it. But there is some truth to the notion that a lot of people who have a "Open Source Forever!" stance also have a "Death to Micro$oft!" stance and a "Windows is evil!" stance and can't understand why anyone in the world would ever use a piece of proprietary software, never see any flaws or faults at all in using FOSS, and have probably never worked in the business world in any serious capacity. There is a sort of unabashed idealism that comes along with a lot of the Open Source movement that simply does not work in the real world, nor is it compatible with companies that want to make a lot of money. Yes, Google makes lots of money using open source software. How many other companies do? How many of them are in the Fortune 500? How long has Linux had to make inroads?

    Some of us want to change the world through open source software. The rest of us want to pay our mortgage.
  • :\ 2008-02-13 10:01
    I like the stereotyping here.
    So whats next a strip on how all Latino's eat rice and beans while everyone of African decent love to eat fried chicken and BBQ all the time?

    I don't see the humor in it basically your taking a large segment of the software development community stereotyping them as communist software developers who are all long haired stallman types and that no money can ever be made from an open source project. You do realize their are many open source developers out there making good money alot more then $42k a year.

    But hey keep your head up if the strip don't work out here Microsoft might have an opening in their FUD department for you. :)
  • alexgieg 2008-02-13 10:02
    Come on, guys. It's clear today's comic is about pro-OSS teen fanboyism. Normal guy gets a job, fanboy sees that as treason, but still needs money from normal guy. It's simple 3-step humor that maybe could have been done better, but it's clear.

    I also wouldn't worry about the art. It'll improve over time, as is usual in this kind of comic.

    However, I'd ask Alex for a small change. I read TDWTF on my job between a task or two. Since the site is very "techie", even when it comes to screenshots, my doing so usually goes unnoticed by those around me. However a comic strip is instantly noticeable, and it does in fact drive them to ask me what I'm doing. Not nice!

    So, if you'll keep adding the comics (and I hope you do), please do so in a way that isn't THAT evident when I open [url=http://thedailywtf.com]thedailywtf.com[url]. If possible, show it only when we actually open the corresponding article. This way, if I see there's a strip available, I can wait until my lunch to look at it.

    Thanks!
  • Yakkity Yak 2008-02-13 10:05
    Josh:
    ...and the commentary has to be more accurate, as a good portion of the folks who work on Open Source do so under the pay of a company that uses it.

    On the other hand, let's ask what's being made fun of here. The idealism? The kid's assumption that he'll take over the world? Or the fact that he chose to create economic output in the form of writing open source software?

    And, let me ask: what's inherently wrong with someone who, having a lot of time on their hands, decides to write open source software? Some folks join the Peace Corps; others join groups such as habitat for humanity. Still others choose to write open source software. If it provides benefit to society in general, then that is economic output and may be valuable. Remember, the two guys in a garage that was RedHat in the mid 90's now has hundreds of millions in revenue every year.

    It appears that you're assuming because someone works on open source, that person is a slacker. You know what happens when you ASS-U-ME, but in this case it's all on you.

    Cheers,
    -J
    Shut up. It's a comic strip. Stop trying to find the ultimate meaning of life in it and take it for what it's worth.
  • :\ 2008-02-13 10:15
    And its ignorant comics like this that give the open source community a bad name in the eyes of the corporate world for no reason other then this person feels that only people who write code to make money off their code are professional and stand to make any money in the industry...
  • Mateo_LeFou 2008-02-13 10:15
    It's not so much that the joke is bad, but that it's old.

    "ha ha get out of your mom's basement and get a real job" as a jab-at-FOSS is celebrating it's tenth anniversary in May of this year, as I recall
  • zip 2008-02-13 10:16
    Straw:
    It's better then the first one, but still not funny at all. It's not funny if you already know the end of the cartoon after you read the first sentence.


    I came here to say this. "LOL Open Source Developers ARE POOR" is a pretty stale cliche; if it's going to be the punchline you've got to get there in a less obvious way.

    Just trying to be constructive.
  • halber_mensch 2008-02-13 10:18
    Bob:
    Christ, there's some miserable buggers posting. Do you talk to people face-to-face like that? Or are you just a coward, hiding behind a keyboard?

    Personally, it's not my sort of thing and I'd be happier if there was a feed without it.

    That being said, good luck and I appreciate your trying something new to entertain us.

    No shit, man. Disliking content on the site is one thing, but to whine like an 8 year old that doesnt want to eat his brussels sprouts is uncalled for. You bastards don't pay the bills to keep the damn site up, so Alex has no obligation to you. You can piss off.

    Now, personally, I can take or leave the comic; but you know what? I have these well developed ocular muscles that allow me to redirect my focus to another part of the screen, thus avoiding the comic should I want to. It takes little effort, and is surprisingly effective.

    Furthermore, the joke is pretty funny. I am an open source developer that is gainfully employed, and I am not ignorant of the presence of greasy-haired smelly zealots living in their parents' basements blaming The Man for all their problems and believing that somehow in their social ineptness and poverty they will spend enough time not playing World of Warcraft to lead an open source revolution that will destroy Microsoft and bring peace and order to the galaxy with the mighty Linux Jedi as its protectorate. They are silly people, and coincidentally can't handle jokes about themselves.
  • Stevey 2008-02-13 10:23
    I think your out of jokes already - well funny ones anyway.
  • belgariontheking 2008-02-13 10:23
    WeffJebster:
    ...

    I can't believe nobody's commented on his shirt. That's the funny part of this comic. The joke was predictable, but the shirt... Beautiful touch.

    But 2003 WILL be the year of Linux. Are you doubting the revolution? It's coming (into your past), my friend, and you can't stop it.
  • Rob 2008-02-13 10:24
    This one was actually pretty funny, sums up my feelings about Linux and the FSF nicely :)
  • Target 2008-02-13 10:26
    :\:
    I don't see the humor in it basically your taking a large segment of the software development community stereotyping them as communist software developers...


    Well, and I know this will piss a lot of people off, isn't FOSS sorta communism anyway? The "fundamentalists" anyway. They view proprietary software as evil, they think software should be written "for the good of the people", and that the money should be made through more indirect means (like consulting), for more modest profits. Yes, this excludes a lot of the ones making FOSS software for a company and pulling in a paycheck but for the RMS hardcore types, doesn't it seem a lot like communism?

    And I'm not saying this is a bad thing - communism has some good ideas and some bad ideas and it got demonized by people who saw it (rightly) as a threat to their ability to make a lot of money.
  • gherkin 2008-02-13 10:27
    I've never actually met anybody like the open source coder in this comic strip. I know people who contribute to open source projects as a hobby, as part of a project for university, or simply to expand their resume and make themselves more employable.

    I have a paid job in programming after having coded open source software in my spare time. It cost me nothing to gain the skills that landed me my job. I didn't pay for any expensive proprietary IDEs or servers. I didn't pay any corporations for "certifications" in their proprietary technologies.

    But I certainly never used to sit around like a hippy promising an open source revolution and railing against "the man". I just think that anybody who believes there's no money to be had in open source (which seems, unfortunately, to include the author of this comic strip) is an idiot.

    In conclusion, this comic isn't funny because it caricatures something that isn't even real.
  • fbjon 2008-02-13 10:28
    PanteraCanes:
    Am I the only one who loves this? Maybe I'm the only one who likes getting paid for my time and knows people who are just like that? Funny stuff.

    I like it. At least moderately, it's obviously not earth-shattering stuff..

    Also, I can see that the drawing style could develop into something interesting, so just keep it up. And make sure to have good jokes, keep a stockpile to draw from, subtle insides jokes will be much appreciated here as well, methinks.
  • Tick 2008-02-13 10:29
    That is funny. Best one yet. Try four fingers like The Simpsons.
  • printf 2008-02-13 10:29
    What's with the anti-FOSS FUD in my daily WTF?

    Anyway, I don't come here to read about some guy apologizing that his new webcomic sucks. Please move the webcomic to a different feed.
  • Schnapple 2008-02-13 10:30
    Mateo_LeFou:
    FOSS is celebrating it's tenth anniversary in May of this year, as I recall


    So is the development of Duke Nukem Forever. Something existing for ten years isn't indicative of anything except that the money hasn't run out yet.
  • llama64 2008-02-13 10:33
    Good first steps on the web comic!

    Ignore the morons here whining about a new feature they didn't pay for.

    Here, let me explain the joke to those of you who failed basic reading comprehension:
    - He's poking fun at people who reject getting paid for doing software development and exclaim that it's immoral to work on anything but Linux and open-source software. I've met these people, they exist, and they deserve to be made fun of.

    The strip was not making fun of open-source professionals or open-source software. Learn to read.
  • Ubersoldat 2008-02-13 10:33
    ehm... I work on a few open source project and have a day job which helps me pay the bills, like most of OSS programmers I think. So I don't think this is either funny or true. Back to the stereotypes of OSS people being computer nerds with stupid ambitions of world renown.

    If you want me, I can translate you some very funny and UberGeek web comic called "Raulito El Friki" or "Tira Ecol":
    http://www.tiraecol.net/modules/comic/comic.php?content_id=273&mode=flat&order=0

    This one goes like this:
    Bilo: shit! The elevator got stuck! I'm scared!
    Guy: Dude! Do you hear me? Firemen are on their way! Hang On!
    Bilo: Oh! No problem, No hurry... I've found an open WiFi

    See! That's funny!
  • Schnapple 2008-02-13 10:36
    gherkin:
    I've never actually met anybody like the open source coder in this comic strip. I know people who contribute to open source projects as a hobby, as part of a project for university, or simply to expand their resume and make themselves more employable.

    I have a paid job in programming after having coded open source software in my spare time. It cost me nothing to gain the skills that landed me my job. I didn't pay for any expensive proprietary IDEs or servers. I didn't pay any corporations for "certifications" in their proprietary technologies.

    But I certainly never used to sit around like a hippy promising an open source revolution and railing against "the man". I just think that anybody who believes there's no money to be had in open source (which seems, unfortunately, to include the author of this comic strip) is an idiot.

    In conclusion, this comic isn't funny because it caricatures something that isn't even real.


    I think the strip is funny because it caricatures something that probably isn't even real. It's saying that for all the "Death to Micro$oft!" people out there on the Internet... what if they were like this in real life, too? How would an average conversation with them go?

    And there are some people out there along these lines - go watch Revolution OS, the Linux documentary. Richard Stallman is along these lines (no, he's not as bad as the person in this strip). He's very much a "software hippy" in every sense of the word. He's also a very valuable contributor to the open source movement and apparently actually good to work with.
  • WeffJebster 2008-02-13 10:41
    Oh, come on guys. You're just looking for a reason to be offended. Cool it off.
  • mgroves 2008-02-13 10:48
    Stereotypes are funny, but I guess not if they hit close to home?
  • itz 2008-02-13 10:55
    Don't listen to these idiots. Great comic.

    If these open source fanatic ultra nerds had enough social skills to handle a little 'poke fun' directed at them they wouldn't have ended up in their parents basement in the first place.
  • Martin 2008-02-13 10:56
    Well, I liked it... and as an avid webcomic reader, I know it will probably get better each time. So keep working, George, some of us DO have a sense of humour :P

    And for those who argue that the comic is based on something than isn`t real, look at it this way: when you tell a joke, you start telling it by saying "Ok, this may not be 100% true, I haven't checked it myself, but I've been told that once a horse went into a bar..."?
  • Why 2008-02-13 10:56
    Alex, this is getting pathetic. "Off topic?" Say what you mean. "Off message."

    The topic of this site is pissing time away instead of actually working on our day jobs, which incidentally is what pays your bills. Or do you make money when I just read the article free of ads in my newsreader, and don't come to comment? You're not deleting messages because they are "off topic", which they are not. You're deleting messages because they are harmful to your commercial interest. But deleting them won't make the problem go away. Go ahead: keep it up and see how well that works for you.
  • Master TMO 2008-02-13 10:56
    #1 - don't worry about the artwork. It'll improve with practice. Go look at almost every webcomic in existence that's been around awhile and compare the first strips with the latest ones, and you'll see huge improvements.

    #2 - keep writing the jokes you think are funny. Some people will get it, others won't, and some will flame you. Writing jokes is like artwork, the more you write, the better they'll get.

    #3 - ignore the trolls. Hard to do, I know. But my personal theory is that if you want to be 100% PC and never risk offending anyone, the first thing you have to do is absolutely eradicate your sense of humor. There is almost no humor that isn't potentially offensive to someone, somewhere, somewhen.

    Keep up the good work. *dons flame-retardant gear*
  • Thom 2008-02-13 11:01
    I've got to admit I cringed a little at the first comic, but this one rocks! Ignore the whiners who are upset that their t-shirts have just been rendered wtf material and keep at it. Comics are an art not a science, so it takes time to get into and maintain a consistent groove. You're heading in the right direction.

    P.S. For all you shmucks complaining about the drawing - go chastise the creator(s) of xkcd.
  • tombom 2008-02-13 11:07
    I hate to seem like I'm whining or trolling; I didn't care when the site changed its name or back again and I don't think there's really ever been a decline in quality. I like pretty much all the articles and a lot of the comments too. This webcomic is just unfunny though. I may be biased because I don't like most webcomics but although the art is decent the jokes are just really quite lame. This one is a joke that's used so often that it's lost most of its humor, not because it's offensive. I'm not trying to tell you how to run your website or anything and I don't care if you continue I just felt I may as well comment.
  • Ray 2008-02-13 11:07
    I got the joke, and the T-shirt was great. You should have some little nugget about Duke Nukem Forever too!

    I like how you are comparing two people starting out after college with two different approaches to the situation. Obviously this is a comic, so stretching and bending reality a bit lends more to the humor. It also paints a real picture. It's harder, IMO, to get established in the open source culture. You have to gain some sort of respect first, whereas it might be easier to get that first bit of experience through a private company. If you can get that first bit of experience working on open source for a company, then great!
  • GalacticCowboy 2008-02-13 11:11
    :\:
    And its ignorant comics like this that give the open source community a bad name in the eyes of the corporate world for no reason other then this person feels that only people who write code to make money off their code are professional and stand to make any money in the industry...


    Exactly how many in the "corporate world" get their opinions of FOSS from web comics?
  • Tony Green 2008-02-13 11:14
    "I don’t know how to use apostrophe’s"

    Oh the irony!
  • Anonymous 2008-02-13 11:22
    My comic is still 100000 times better.

  • Delmania 2008-02-13 11:25
    llama64:
    Good first steps on the web comic!

    Ignore the morons here whining about a new feature they didn't pay for.

    Here, let me explain the joke to those of you who failed basic reading comprehension:
    - He's poking fun at people who reject getting paid for doing software development and exclaim that it's immoral to work on anything but Linux and open-source software. I've met these people, they exist, and they deserve to be made fun of.

    The strip was not making fun of open-source professionals or open-source software. Learn to read.


    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman
    http://www.stallman.org/
  • NeoMojo 2008-02-13 11:25
    itz:
    Great comic.

    What? For something to be great for you it has to only reach the level of an unpracticed amateur? Are you looking for a great chef? I know how to make an ommlette.
  • NeoMojo 2008-02-13 11:27
    Thom:
    P.S. For all you shmucks complaining about the drawing - go chastise the creator(s) of xkcd.


    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRGGGGGGGGGGGGGHHHHHHHHHHHH

    stop comparing this to xkcd.

    http://xkcd.com/77/
  • John 2008-02-13 11:28
    While the comics haven't made me laugh yet, the comments about how much people hate them have made me laugh.

    Keep it up :)
  • DeLos 2008-02-13 11:28
    He hasn't got his allowance yet. That's the best part.

    Oh to be young and self-righteous ... and rich.


    Money makes ideals easier to pursue.
  • Dumbo 2008-02-13 11:33
    The best part is the open computer case with the cables hanging out. Just like mine, except my power supply is on the floor next to the case.
  • Anon Fred 2008-02-13 11:34

    Art suggestion: use less detail.

    This sounds counter-intuitive, but, especially in black-and-white, you need to do more with less.

    You show promise.
  • Waffle 2008-02-13 11:40
    :\:
    I like the stereotyping here.

    [/snip]

    But hey keep your head up if the strip don't work out here Microsoft might have an opening in their FUD department for you. :)


    I like the stereotyping here.

    :\:

    So whats next a strip on how all Latino's eat rice and beans while everyone of African decent love to eat fried chicken and BBQ all the time?


    You mean they don't ?
  • Freddy Bob 2008-02-13 11:41
    That should be "anatomically correctly". "Correct" is an adjective and not the adverb which would have been needed to modify the verb.
    Quibbles aside though, Mandatory Fun Day sucks dogs' balls.
  • Zdenek 2008-02-13 11:44
    "communist software developers who are all long haired stallman types and that no money can ever be made from an open source project"

    Hearing "stallman" and "no money can ever be made from an open source project" in the same sentence is a bit weird (given that Stallman from the very beginning advocated the idea of making money from oss, and did it himself).
  • ThomsonsPier 2008-02-13 11:51
    Comic opinions: seen better, seen worse. It's mostly the material that's lacking at the moment; it's old. The visual style is a bit fussy for my taste, but that has more to do with my taste than it has with your artwork, I suppose.
  • Anonymous Coward 2008-02-13 11:57
    Only negative comments?

    I think the cartoons are way cool! Keep 'em coming! They're gonna be very (ahem) popular.

    captcha: populus
  • Tex 2008-02-13 12:00
    First and foremost: Poor graphics. The storyplot may be trivial in webcomics, as far as graphic side ls done well. But when the drawings sucks, nothing can help you.

    Second: The strips simply doesn't fit to the page layout. They disappear between articles, ads. It should be always in the same place.

    So, in summary: good idea and nice try, but there are still many to accomplish.
  • alegr 2008-02-13 12:02
    Schnapple:

    Yes, Google makes lots of money using open source software.


    Google makes lots of money _using_ open source software, not _writing_ or _selling_ (or otherwise peddling) it. That's the whole world of difference.
  • asuffield 2008-02-13 12:04
    alexgieg:
    Come on, guys. It's clear today's comic is about pro-OSS teen fanboyism. Normal guy gets a job, fanboy sees that as treason, but still needs money from normal guy. It's simple 3-step humor that maybe could have been done better, but it's clear.


    Unfortunately, it's just not funny.

    The only people who seem to be amused by it so far are those who think that free software in the real world is created by 16-year-old prats like this one - it isn't (and I've never met a kid who acted like that, although I have encountered more than a few actual free software developers).

    Free software is partly created under corporate sponsorship, but mostly created during the evenings and weekends of people who have jobs doing something else.
  • alegr 2008-02-13 12:09
    Zdenek:
    "communist software developers who are all long haired stallman types and that no money can ever be made from an open source project"

    Hearing "stallman" and "no money can ever be made from an open source project" in the same sentence is a bit weird (given that Stallman from the very beginning advocated the idea of making money from oss, and did it himself).


    I'm curious what actual money Stallman made _from_ OSS, besides from getting paid for _talking_ about virtues of OSS.
  • shadowman 2008-02-13 12:09
    I think the comics would be waaaay better without comment threads. It kind of ruins the joke if it gets talked about too much
  • Kyle Bennett 2008-02-13 12:10
    The real WTF is this comic...

    Sorry, somebody had to say it.

    But, hey, there's room to grow into it. The artwork doesn't matter if the content is good (look at XKCD). The problem with a lot of techie comics is that the authors think a comic can be good by being about IT, when in fact for any comic to be good, it has to be about people, whether they are in a tech setting or otherwise (again, look at XKCD). Caricatures are not people with ideas, they are ideas pretending to be people. A well-drawn caricature will never be as good as a stick-figure real person.



  • ObiWayneKenobi 2008-02-13 12:13
    I dunno, I like the comic so far. I like the other guy's comic in this thread, too. Hilarious that the Linux guy was wearing a hammer-and-sickle shirt, because we all know that Richard Stallman and anyone who supports open-source is a commie.
  • mizchief 2008-02-13 12:16
    The Real WTF here is how so many people are complaining bout their posts being deleted. It appears one of mine was as well. If someone is cursing or just being overly offensive you may have grounds. Otherwise you are dooming your own site. Your stories and code samples are amusing, but ultimalty it's the community that keeps your site alive.

  • Mateo_LeFou 2008-02-13 12:20
    Schnapple:
    Mateo_LeFou:
    FOSS is celebrating it's tenth anniversary in May of this year, as I recall


    So is the development of Duke Nukem Forever. Something existing for ten years isn't indicative of anything except that the money hasn't run out yet.


    mmm... reading comprehension
  • FredSaw 2008-02-13 12:22
    Tony Green:
    "I don’t know how to use apostrophe’s"

    Oh the irony!
    I was assuming he did that on purpose as a joke. Or, as you say, for the irony.
  • FredSaw 2008-02-13 12:23
    NeoMojo:
    Are you looking for a great chef? I know how to make an ommlette.
    Now if you could only spell it.
  • Mateo_LeFou 2008-02-13 12:26
    Target:
    Well, and I know this will piss a lot of people off, isn't FOSS sorta communism anyway? The "fundamentalists" anyway. ..


    Communism claims that private property is illegitimate. Free culture/software claims that ideas and knowledge are not property.
  • G Money 2008-02-13 12:33
    This comic is like the "yogurt parfait" at McDonald's. WTF? I came for a Big Mac and fries.
  • gabba 2008-02-13 12:40
    So, which of the two characters is the naive, stupid, idealistic one, giving away his time and expertise in exchange for next to nothing?
  • Anonymous 2008-02-13 12:46
    alegr:
    Zdenek:
    "communist software developers who are all long haired stallman types and that no money can ever be made from an open source project"

    Hearing "stallman" and "no money can ever be made from an open source project" in the same sentence is a bit weird (given that Stallman from the very beginning advocated the idea of making money from oss, and did it himself).


    I'm curious what actual money Stallman made _from_ OSS, besides from getting paid for _talking_ about virtues of OSS.

    Besides him being an actual businessman that gets paid for consulting companies?

    It's funny that people criticizing FOSS the most and trying to portray it as communism know the least about it.
  • V. Ulanynov 2008-02-13 12:52
    Mateo_LeFou:
    Target:
    Well, and I know this will piss a lot of people off, isn't FOSS sorta communism anyway? The "fundamentalists" anyway. ..


    Communism claims that private property is illegitimate. Free culture/software claims that ideas and knowledge are not property.


    Communism is primarily about the use of the group against the individual. Consider what is commonly called a "team" in the corporate world.
  • Ben 2008-02-13 12:56
    I think it's hilarious...don't be turned off by negative comments.
  • Gryc 2008-02-13 13:06
    Well I wont rant to you about stereotyping open-source developers as jobless bums, since everyone else has done such a good job of it.

    Instead, I'll give you some drawing tips.
    1.) Put a double, or even triple-width black outline around each "important part", like each person for instance.
    2.) On the hands, I can see exactly what you think while drawing them, "onefingertwofingerthreefingerfourfingers". Try three, it might look a little more natural (as counterintuitive as that is.)
    3.) Watch the detail. That detail in his shirt just turns to muddled pixels.
  • lolcat 2008-02-13 13:08
    STOP MAKING FUN OF ME!
  • SomeCoder 2008-02-13 13:09
    To agree with someone else in this thread: Yes, stop comparing this comic to xkcd.

    There are tons of differences between the two. The primary one is that xkcd is at least a little funny.
  • Give It Some Time 2008-02-13 13:10
    Wow, this crowd is brutal. A web comic that deals with software development on this site is like throwing a bleeding man in a pool full of sharks. Holy $***!

    Give it a little time. Maybe the comic will just rehash stereotypes and not be fit to line the bottom of a bird cage, or maybe one of the characters is a walking stereotype inside an otherwise intelligent comic. At only two strips in, it's pretty hard to tell.

    Personally, I think the "The Leader in the Linux Revolution" line hints toward something deeper. Linux is a community with several prominent figures, but has no "leader" in the traditional sense.

    That is, George Bush was(n't) elected leader, and I don't like him, but he's got the power of the government to force me to follow him. Richard Stallman is also a "leader", but the people who follow him are the people who want to follow him; everybody else is free to do their own thing.

    Becoming a "leader" in Linux for it's own sake is tilting at windmills. The community follows leadership, not "leaders". Moreover, becoming "The Leader" (the one and only?) only serves to underscore the faulty premise of the basic idea.

    Give the comic time to show its colors.
  • alegr 2008-02-13 13:12
    Anonymous:
    alegr:
    Zdenek:
    "communist software developers who are all long haired stallman types and that no money can ever be made from an open source project"

    Hearing "stallman" and "no money can ever be made from an open source project" in the same sentence is a bit weird (given that Stallman from the very beginning advocated the idea of making money from oss, and did it himself).


    I'm curious what actual money Stallman made _from_ OSS, besides from getting paid for _talking_ about virtues of OSS.

    Besides him being an actual businessman that gets paid for consulting companies?

    It's funny that people criticizing FOSS the most and trying to portray it as communism know the least about it.


    Yes, exactly, I want to know about what exact piece(s) of software he is consulting. Not counting consulting about how to make money from consulting about OSS; that reeks of MLM bullshit.
  • Gonzalo 2008-02-13 13:20
    Have you any idea about how much Google invests on Open Source Projects? I think you don't.
  • alegr 2008-02-13 13:28
    Gonzalo:
    Have you any idea about how much Google invests on Open Source Projects? I think you don't.


    invests != makes money

    Most likely the opposite.


    Addendum (2008-02-13 13:33):
    You know, they can afford it.
  • feep 2008-02-13 13:29
    I like the stereotyping as well :)

    Most funny things are offensive to _somebody_. Take it as a good sign. For the record, it made me giggle.
  • Tzimisce 2008-02-13 13:32
    I liked this strip...
  • Covarr 2008-02-13 13:37
    Dude, it's in black and white, and not very detailed. How on earth did you manage to make it 107.44 KB? Using Photoshop's "Save for Web" I managed to make this exact same strip only 34.36 KB, less than a third the file size without any noticeable loss in detail (PNG-8, Grayscale, Diffusion, 88% Dither, 8 colors).
  • JoC 2008-02-13 13:41
    Not a bad start! Keep at it!

    I like having something new to look forward to on the site.
  • Anonymous 2008-02-13 13:42
    Yes, exactly, I want to know about what exact piece(s) of software he is consulting.

    Then why don't you just mail him? It's not like that his e-mail address is hidden.

    And what the hell is that tone, either way? Noone has any obligation to tell you where they work or how much money they make, (not that it matters since that wasn't your argument) if you like to poke your nose in such things, then maybe you should make yourself an IRS office worker? What you can learn by just using google is that most of his time is consumed by managing the FSF. (and before you go and say "AH HAH! A manager! Nothing like a programmer." maybe you should try to actually manage something as big)
  • M.C. Sarbanes-Oxalot 2008-02-13 13:51
    the comic is OK, but please, can we discontinue this? i don't come here for amusing nonfiction. i don't come here for web comics. there are zillions of sites that serve them, and i have a regular lineup of favorites.

    like most of us, i come here for the sort of terrifying hilarity that only the black comedy of reality can bring -- that's the real Daily WTF.
  • adk 2008-02-13 13:51
    LOLZ for sure, FTW!

    That is, laughter at all the self-righteous schmucks with an overblown sense of their own importance, posting about how terrible this webcomic is because it skewers their own sacred pig. Surely you realize by now George, make a bunch of the same old tired M$ jokes and then you'll get all the happy comments you can handle! But for heavens' sake, don't make the same old tired jokes about the 'free, as in speech' movement or players - clearly a violation of the groupthink!

    And for the record, different tools meet different business needs. Evangelists belong in a church, where their choice to reject reason and simply spout dogma about their faith may actually increase the tithes they take from the masses.
  • M.C. Sarbanes-Oxalot 2008-02-13 13:52
    M.C. Sarbanes-Oxalot:
    i don't come here for amusing nonfiction.


    fiction. i mean. i don't come here for amusing fiction. sorry.
  • FredSaw 2008-02-13 13:53
    Covarr:
    Dude, it's in black and white, and not very detailed. How on earth did you manage to make it 107.44 KB? Using Photoshop's "Save for Web" I managed to make this exact same strip only 34.36 KB, less than a third the file size without any noticeable loss in detail (PNG-8, Grayscale, Diffusion, 88% Dither, 8 colors).
    Why do you care? Got a 1200 baud connection?
  • Fargo 2008-02-13 13:55
    JimM:
    I love the fact that "you buy" is a statement rather than a request ;^) Interestingly, I have this conversation regularly with my wife (who is co-director in my company): I tell her about some fantastic software idea I have, she asks if there's a market for it, I say I was going to release it open source, and she asks me how I'm going to pay the rent. I'd love to have ethics, but I just can't afford them :(


    Did you know that you can sell OSS? Because you can. You have to release the sources, sure, but you can sell the finished product. Depending on what it is you can offer a pay service to customize the product, and so on. Don't blame the open source model on your fear of failing.

    If you really have a good idea, work on it in your spare time and get a couple other people involved. Will it work the first time? Probably not, but very little does.
  • halber_mensch 2008-02-13 14:00
    alegr:
    Gonzalo:
    Have you any idea about how much Google invests on Open Source Projects? I think you don't.


    invests != makes money

    Most likely the opposite.


    Addendum (2008-02-13 13:33):
    You know, they can afford it.

    WTF?!
    alegr:

    Google makes lots of money _using_ open source software, not _writing_ or _selling_ (or otherwise peddling) it.

    Which one is it then? Does google make money or lose money with OSS? Let me answer that for you.

    Gonzalo is stating that Google invests money into OSS, which is true. You've previously stated that Google uses this OSS to make money, which is also true. Therefore, both Google and OSS developers make money through mutual benefit; i.e. Google pays OSS developers to continue development on software that Google uses which makes Google more money to invest in the development of the OSS which makes Google more money which ... etc. etc.
  • alegr 2008-02-13 14:01
    Anonymous:
    Yes, exactly, I want to know about what exact piece(s) of software he is consulting.

    Then why don't you just mail him? It's not like that his e-mail address is hidden.

    And what the hell is that tone, either way? Noone has any obligation to tell you where they work or how much money they make, (not that it matters since that wasn't your argument) if you like to poke your nose in such things, then maybe you should make yourself an IRS office worker? What you can learn by just using google is that most of his time is consumed by managing the FSF. (and before you go and say "AH HAH! A manager! Nothing like a programmer." maybe you should try to actually manage something as big)


    So far, I haven't found he actually had any successful software business (that paid his bills) based on OSS. What he does is just politicising, getting paid for "promoting virtues of OSS". Peddling Linux to Hugo Chaves. "See - we got those capitalist suckers to work for free to create this wonderful free software for all the technically-challenged dictatorships".
  • mrprogguy 2008-02-13 14:05
    :\:
    I like the stereotyping here.
    So whats next a strip on how all Latino's eat rice and beans while everyone of African decent love to eat fried chicken and BBQ all the time?


    How about a stereotype where anonymous posters can't detect satire even when it crawls up their nose and lays an egg?


    I don't see the humor in it basically your taking a large segment of the software development community stereotyping them as communist software developers who are all long haired stallman types and that no money can ever be made from an open source project. You do realize their are many open source developers out there making good money alot more then $42k a year.


    "Alot" isn't a word. How about a stereotype where Open Source developers generate a lot of crap code (and I've seen it), and can't spell, besides?


    But hey keep your head up if the strip don't work out here Microsoft might have an opening in their FUD department for you. :)


    Shouldn't you be at Berkeley decrying the presence of a Marine Corps recruiting office?
  • Anon Fred 2008-02-13 14:06

    Did you know that you can sell your pubic hair? Because you can. You have to release the roots, sure, but you can sell the finished product. Depending on what it is you can offer a pay service to customize the hair, and so on. Don't blame the free pubic hair model on your fear of failing.
  • Aaron 2008-02-13 14:07
    :\:
    ...basically your taking a large segment of the software development community stereotyping them as communist software developers who are all long haired stallman types...

    Not the entire segment of the community - just the part that posts comments on blogs and online forums.
  • Mateo_LeFou 2008-02-13 14:14
    V. Ulanynov:
    Mateo_LeFou:
    Target:
    Well, and I know this will piss a lot of people off, isn't FOSS sorta communism anyway? The "fundamentalists" anyway. ..


    Communism claims that private property is illegitimate. Free culture/software claims that ideas and knowledge are not property.


    Communism is primarily about the use of the group against the individual. Consider what is commonly called a "team" in the corporate world.


    I don't know that anyone but you and maybe Sean Hannity would take seriously this assertion about what communism is "primarily about".

    But yes, if one sprinkles weasel words ("sorta" communism, "primarily about") around, you can link any idea to communism, Kevin Bacon, etc.
  • Josh 2008-02-13 14:16
    Schanpple,

    Let me step back for a minute. What I think you're doing is ascribing the traits of a very vocal few to the whole group.

    I don't know about you, but when I'm considering Open Source, I'm considering software that actually works. I'm not talking about Bob's Music Player, or Steve's Video Player, or Joe's Uber Spreadsheet, all of which never passed version 0.01 because they don't have the discipline to get things done. I'm talking about stuff that is used in production - Linux, OpenOffice, the Gimp. The folks who contribute to those projects probably have a far deeper understanding of the value of freedom and the economics of software production and usage, the problems inherent with Open Source and commercial software, than "Oh noes micr0$0ft suxx0rs l1nux r0xx0rs". You are committing the most grave and unfortunate of logical errors by grouping these folks in with the like of Richard Stallman, and it insults the intelligence of those who have the understanding I'm talking about.

    You're absolutely right, this kind of idealism is not compatible with most companies that want to "make a lot of money". But neither is most of the idealism and naievete regarding many different topics, that comes with many college graduates with little practical experience. But it doesn't matter, because the idealism you talk about either a) makes the company a bundle of money if it works, or b) is quickly quelled with the experience that comes with a corporate dev position.

    But, alas, this type of prejudice is your loss as these kinds of folks build entire companies from the ground up with no software acquisition costs. The goals of a) Changing the world with Open Source and b) paying your mortgage are not mutually exclusive, if you're smart enough to create the right reality; it's a common error to assume that our character traits are present in others, and it's one you seem to be making now.
  • alegr 2008-02-13 14:17
    halber_mensch:
    alegr:
    Gonzalo:
    Have you any idea about how much Google invests on Open Source Projects? I think you don't.


    invests != makes money

    Most likely the opposite.


    Addendum (2008-02-13 13:33):
    You know, they can afford it.

    WTF?!
    alegr:

    Google makes lots of money _using_ open source software, not _writing_ or _selling_ (or otherwise peddling) it.

    Which one is it then? Does google make money or lose money with OSS? Let me answer that for you.

    Gonzalo is stating that Google invests money into OSS, which is true. You've previously stated that Google uses this OSS to make money, which is also true. Therefore, both Google and OSS developers make money through mutual benefit; i.e. Google pays OSS developers to continue development on software that Google uses which makes Google more money to invest in the development of the OSS which makes Google more money which ... etc. etc.


    Here is the deal. They use Linux to run their server farms. This saves them a lot of money they would spend otherwise on proprietary system licences. They _make_ money sellind ads, not by selling OSS. Their indexing software is proprietary; they don't open its source. They finance a lot of OSS developers just for charity sake, not because they make money out of it (they just can afford throwing money on it). Do you still see any contradiction in this picture?


  • Anonymous 2008-02-13 14:17
    So far, I haven't found he actually had any successful software business (that paid his bills) based on OSS. What he does is just politicising, getting paid for "promoting virtues of OSS". Peddling Linux to Hugo Chaves. "See - we got those capitalist suckers to work for free to create this wonderful free software for all the technically-challenged dictatorships".

    Any example? Because so far you've failed to back anything up. And for God's sake, quit this all communist thing. Stallman is not a communist. Free Software is not communism. If you can't understand things that are so simple, then you're already a lost cause.
  • Aaron 2008-02-13 14:20
    mizchief:
    ...ultimalty it's the community that keeps your site alive.

    There are several who would argue that it's the vast majority of anonymous commenters (and perhaps a small handful of registered ones) who bring down the overall quality of the site.

    Actually, it's Alex paying his hosting bills that keeps the site alive, and it's the content he and his associates post that keeps it "alive". I doubt that the minimal advertising revenue would be in any way affected if comments were disabled entirely and all the /. kiddies couldn't vent their frustration. Since they don't believe in paying for things anyway, they're not going to click on any ads.
  • Anonymous 2008-02-13 14:20
    That is, laughter at all the self-righteous schmucks with an overblown sense of their own importance, posting about how terrible this webcomic is because it skewers their own sacred pig. Surely you realize by now George, make a bunch of the same old tired M$ jokes and then you'll get all the happy comments you can handle! But for heavens' sake, don't make the same old tired jokes about the 'free, as in speech' movement or players - clearly a violation of the groupthink!

    Actually, weak jokes about Microsoft would earn just as much negative comments from people here. I think it's just you who is hurt with his feelings for MS, because everything I've seen here is ranting about poor, used jokes.
  • Daniel 2008-02-13 14:21
    I just wanted to say the comics are fine, somewhat funny and worth the time to read, while telling the author to keep getting better. But then I read them, and they suck. A lot. Man, they are awful. So, author, keep getting better... and come back after a while, ok?

    :)
  • Anonymous 2008-02-13 14:22
    I doubt that the minimal advertising revenue would be in any way affected if comments were disabled entirely and all the /. kiddies couldn't vent their frustration. Since they don't believe in paying for things anyway, they're not going to click on any ads.

    Oh, I see, now that I have a different opinion and don't choose the style of wording that you do (for whatever reason) then I must be a Slashdot reading communist zealot kiddie who doesn't believe in paying for things, right?



    You're freaking ridiculous.
  • Josh 2008-02-13 14:23
    Actually, Open Source is closer to pure capitalism than communism. One of the cornerstones of Capitalism the ability to choose any competent vendor; this choice increases competition, and as companies are forced to compete, the marketplace becomes more healthy.

    I think by 'capitalism' you intend to include tactics like vendor lockin and creating artificially high barriers to entry, things that make companies rich by reducing choice in the marketplace. There's a term for this, too - it's called fascism.
  • alegr 2008-02-13 14:25
    Anonymous:
    So far, I haven't found he actually had any successful software business (that paid his bills) based on OSS. What he does is just politicising, getting paid for "promoting virtues of OSS". Peddling Linux to Hugo Chaves. "See - we got those capitalist suckers to work for free to create this wonderful free software for all the technically-challenged dictatorships".

    Any example? Because so far you've failed to back anything up. And for God's sake, quit this all communist thing. Stallman is not a communist. Free Software is not communism. If you can't understand things that are so simple, then you're already a lost cause.


    Man, I wonder if you ever lived under Communist Party rule. I did. And I can recognize similarities when I see it.

    "Art belongs to the people". That was one of slogans.

  • T $ 2008-02-13 14:27
    I'd say the one thing this comic needs is more drawn out (pardon the pun) character development. You've got some good ideas on the satire that I'm sure plenty of people will agree with, but I'm getting the feeling like I don't care whether the main character gets the job or gets run over by a bus. I didn't even realize the main character's name was Gilroy (Gilroy?) until I went back to the first frame of the last comic. You've got some solid material otherwise, good luck!
  • Ddd 2008-02-13 14:30
    Wow, you linux nerds need to learn to take a joke.
  • Josh 2008-02-13 14:31
    Now *that* was fscking funny! Someone buy that guy a beer!
  • Josh 2008-02-13 14:33
    alegr:

    I'm curious what actual money Stallman made _from_ OSS, besides from getting paid for _talking_ about virtues of OSS.


    Specifically, what is the difference? Money is money, right?
  • alegr 2008-02-13 14:48
    Josh:
    alegr:

    I'm curious what actual money Stallman made _from_ OSS, besides from getting paid for _talking_ about virtues of OSS.


    Specifically, what is the difference? Money is money, right?


    Tell that to a programmer who tries to make ends meet.
  • Josh 2008-02-13 14:54
    alegr:

    Tell that to a programmer who tries to make ends meet.


    If your rent is due, does your landlord not accept money that you made from talking to someone? Does he insist on only taking money that you made by writing a program?

    Money is money, right?

    You asserted that Stallman didn't make money _from_ OSS, just by talking _about_ it.

    If his OSS didn't exist, then he wouldn't have anything to talk about... and wouldn't have made money talking. Therefore, his writing OSS is what made him money.

    RedHat doesn't make money _from_ OSS, they just make money talking, consulting, fixing, and doing other things _with_ it. But they sure make a boatload of money.

    Money is money, right? You just need to find a way to make money _with_ OSS.

    Cheers,
    -J
  • halber_mensch 2008-02-13 14:57
    Josh:
    alegr:

    Tell that to a programmer who tries to make ends meet.


    If your rent is due, does your landlord not accept money that you made from talking to someone? Does he insist on only taking money that you made by writing a program?

    Money is money, right?

    You asserted that Stallman didn't make money _from_ OSS, just by talking _about_ it.

    If his OSS didn't exist, then he wouldn't have anything to talk about... and wouldn't have made money talking. Therefore, his writing OSS is what made him money.

    RedHat doesn't make money _from_ OSS, they just make money talking, consulting, fixing, and doing other things _with_ it. But they sure make a boatload of money.

    Money is money, right? You just need to find a way to make money _with_ OSS.

    Cheers,
    -J


    Save your fingers some typing. alegr is under the naive impression that you can only "make" money with X, Y, or Z by marketing and selling X, Y, or Z.
  • nat 2008-02-13 14:57
    But I promise you, dear TDWTF readers, that I will make Mandatory Fun Day a better comic.


    please don't. or at least just do it somewhere else
  • ConfusedByIgnorance 2008-02-13 15:04
    Schnapple:
    There is a sort of unabashed idealism that comes along with a lot of the Open Source movement that simply does not work in the real world, nor is it compatible with companies that want to make a lot of money.


    This is either a joke, or you're as clueless as the fellow portrayed as a open source contributor in this comic.

    Schnapple:
    Some of us want to change the world through open source software. The rest of us want to pay our mortgage.

    Many of those contributors do it in their free time, and do have paying jobs or consulting positions. Of course, if you've found a way to pay off your mortgage in your free time, I'd love to know.
  • HaunchesMcGee 2008-02-13 15:05
    I like the comics, and I hope that you guys continue to make them.

    With that said, I think the premise for this comic is a little tired. Yes, there are people like this, but isn't it just a little too easy? What's next, a comic poking fun at goth kids?
  • Teh Mikeh 2008-02-13 15:12
    Buck up George, don't take crap from these communist defenders.
  • operagost 2008-02-13 15:15
    :\:
    I like the stereotyping here.
    So whats next a strip on how all Latino's eat rice and beans while everyone of African decent love to eat fried chicken and BBQ all the time?

    No, but we're dangerously close to one about improper apostrophe usage and word confusion.

    I don't see the humor in it basically your taking a large segment of the software development community stereotyping them as communist software developers who are all long haired stallman types and that no money can ever be made from an open source project.

    Thanks for the straw man, Captain Hyperbole.
  • Mr. Boo-urns 2008-02-13 15:19
    Mr. Burns: Smithers, are they boo-ing me?
    Smithers: Uh...no. They're saying Boo-URNS, Boo-URNS
    Mr. Burns: (To the crowd) Excuse me, are you saying BOO or BOOURNS?
    Crowd: BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
    Hans Moleman: I was saying Boo-urns.
  • jgoewert 2008-02-13 15:22
    Those first steps... antagonized by those who don't take them. Keep going. This is the intraweb, we bitch about everything.

    I used to be naive about that OSS stuff. Made a few applications myself and made them free thinking that users would support me enough to buy a case of beer or something once a week.

    Two years and about 10,000 downloads later, my wallet was heavier by $0. ROCK ON!

    http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/detail.php?group_id=79826&ugn=navi3&type=prdownload&mode=alltime&package_id=0
  • troll 2008-02-13 15:23
    alegr:
    Gonzalo:
    Have you any idea about how much Google invests on Open Source Projects? I think you don't.


    invests != makes money

    Most likely the opposite.


    Addendum (2008-02-13 13:33):
    You know, they can afford it.


    However, invests == "Gives Money"
    Which means that some unwashed pasty-faced linux troll is making money off of FOSS.

    /How does Stallman feed himself?
    //
  • bradhannah 2008-02-13 15:23
    I think it was funny... I am one of those people who works for real money everyday, and I appreciate what open source brings, but anyone who is "successful" in open source cannot be so close minded as to think that they shouldn't be earning a paycheck.

    I think there are a few major developers in the open source arena.
    1. Those who are employed for a company and write open source for fun/hobby, which is cool.
    2. Those who actually make a living from writing open source through the company or project they work for
    3. Those, like the guy in the comic, who fail to see that contributing to society often means not being a burden on others to achieve your goals.

    I hate that I even had to analyze it, but when I read some of the responses it made me angry because I didn't feel that you were blanketing the entire open source software industry.
  • Soviut 2008-02-13 15:37
    :\:
    I like the stereotyping here.
    So whats next a strip on how all Latino's eat rice and beans while everyone of African decent love to eat fried chicken and BBQ all the time?


    Guess what. All those stereotypes DO exist, whether you like it or not. The strip isn't making fun of the community, its making fun of the stereotype itself! Its poking fun at the PERCEPTION, not the people.

    Get a sense of humour and learn to laugh at yourself.
  • random surfer 2008-02-13 15:38
    no matter what, someone will find something to gripe about. so to have some uppity open source junkies flame a comic that abstractly disses them, so what? i suggest try not taking yourself so seriously to be threatened by a webcomic.

    maybe you should write your own so you can feel the burn. ;^)
  • unum 2008-02-13 15:50
    It's a good stereotype. While I didn't say anything to my friend when he went to work for a company published by M$ he knew I was thinking it. Of course when I graduated(a few years later) I went to work for a company getting Republicans elected. I can no longer call anyone else a sell out with a straight face.
  • Hacky 2008-02-13 15:52

    Note from Alex: If you have yet to learn the power of ignoring things* you don't like, ...

    * Igorning MFD is actually amazingly easily in this case. Here's how! if (rssTitle.startsWith("Mandatory Fun Day:") || webTitle.IsColor("Obsidianish") ignore();
    .


    As i was bored, and also annoyed by those whining about the comic, i hacked together a little snippet of code.

    It actually works as a greasemonkey script to remove the MFD from the front page, yay!

    Disclaimer: even though its only 7 lines, its probably full of WTF's as i dont know javascript and this is mostly a google-inspired copy/paste thingy :-).


    var allPageTags = new Array();
    var allPageTags=document.getElementsByTagName("*");
    for (i=0; i<allPageTags.length; i++) {
    if allPageTags[i].className=='Mandatory_Fun_Day_Outer') {
    allPageTags[i].parentNode.innerHTML = '';
    }
    }


    PS: Yay for open source! See, everyone can benefit from my 10 minutes of hacking now!
  • :( 2008-02-13 16:03
    I'm a linux geek and I don't find the stereotyping humour offensive or inappropriate. It's humour, lighten up. On that note, I also find racist humour funny, too. Jokes don't hurt anyone unless you're a wimp, in which case you should just stay locked up and not listen to free speech anyways because you'll always find something to be offended by.
  • DannyV 2008-02-13 16:30
    2003 is the year of linux? Come on! We ALL know that 2008 is the year of linux!

    captcha: inhibeo
  • mikeh 2008-02-13 16:34
    Well I'm not offended by the comic, despite the sweeping generalizations it makes. I contribute to open source projects, and make money from them, so the joke seems to be on the same level as putting devil horns on a picture of Bill Gates. Hmmmmm. Ah well, each to their own.

    The thing that annoys me about it is that it's a huge detour from what thedailywtf has done before, and certainly not what I visit for. If it was moved to a separate feed, great. Otherwise if it keeps crowding the front page, I won't bother reading any more.

    (heh, catpcha is "dolor" - spanish for pain. How appropriate!)
  • t 2008-02-13 16:34
    Most people who _think_ realize that stereotypes form the basis of most humor. That's why there are blond jokes, religious jokes, jokes about what cats do, and jokes about 20 somethings who whine about life being so hard.

    May I suggest realizing that the real world will not cater to your specific wants and desires, and that you should probably just get over it and try to take things in a lighthearted manner occasionally.

  • dkf 2008-02-13 16:39
    DannyV:
    2003 is the year of linux? Come on! We ALL know that 2008 is the year of linux!
    I remember when 1993 was the Year of Linux.
  • halber_mensch 2008-02-13 17:09
    jgoewert:
    Those first steps... antagonized by those who don't take them. Keep going. This is the intraweb, we bitch about everything.

    I used to be naive about that OSS stuff. Made a few applications myself and made them free thinking that users would support me enough to buy a case of beer or something once a week.

    Two years and about 10,000 downloads later, my wallet was heavier by $0. ROCK ON!

    http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/detail.php?group_id=79826&ugn=navi3&type=prdownload&mode=alltime&package_id=0

    Ok, let's pull ourselves down from the pillars of injustice for a moment here.

    Navi3, an "Asheron's Call Spawn Collection and Pathfinding Decal Plugin", that you have put so much love and devotion into, has no use in a revenue generating industry, let alone an essential use. A person that uses your plugin does not do so in the hopes of capital gain, improvement in business processes, or reliability of business infrastructure. A person that uses your plugin is a person that plays an online role-playing game. So yeah, duh, that person doesn't give you money. Your plugin's maintenance and development is not essential to any of their business needs or even their online playing experience. On the other hand, an embeddable standards compliant HTML rendering engine, for example, does have application in revenue generating industries like embedded devices and network appliances, and businesses in those industries may fund the development of said rendering engine to be able to utilize it at low cost of acquisition, testing, and maintenance. That's how the open source world works. If you fill the void of an actual business need, you may earn money. If you make a toy, however cute it may be, you probably won't see a dime except through selling adspace.
  • Feek 2008-02-13 17:23
    llama64:
    Good first steps on the web comic!

    Ignore the morons here whining about a new feature they didn't pay for.

    Here, let me explain the joke to those of you who failed basic reading comprehension:
    - He's poking fun at people who reject getting paid for doing software development and exclaim that it's immoral to work on anything but Linux and open-source software. I've met these people, they exist, and they deserve to be made fun of.

    The strip was not making fun of open-source professionals or open-source software. Learn to read.


    QFT
  • dan 2008-02-13 17:27
    dude!

    It's a comic. It's more accurate than ElfQuest or the Uncanny X-Men.

    Calm down.
  • Freudian Slippery Slope 2008-02-13 17:34
    Every time I look at the titles of these cartoon items, they seem to say "Masturbatory Fun Day". What's up with that?
  • Slippy Lane 2008-02-13 18:02
    Dude, I couldn't care less how well you draw. Nor do I give a tinker's cuss about your spelling or grammar. What I care about is that your strip is amusing and shows potential, and that you have a definite style of your own. Don't change your style, just keep drawing.
  • Stupidumb 2008-02-13 18:10
    :\:
    I like the stereotyping here.
    So whats next a strip on how all Latino's eat rice and beans while everyone of African decent love to eat fried chicken and BBQ all the time?

    I don't see the humor in it basically your taking a large segment of the software development community stereotyping them as communist software developers who are all long haired stallman types and that no money can ever be made from an open source project. You do realize their are many open source developers out there making good money alot more then $42k a year.

    But hey keep your head up if the strip don't work out here Microsoft might have an opening in their FUD department for you. :)



    <<<<<<<<<<<<<EXAGGERATION>>>>>>>>>>>>>

    But I guess it would have been funnier if it went something like this:

    Employed Guy: "I got a job."
    OS Guy: "That is good news. I am currently work on an OS project."
    EG: "That, also, is good news."
    OSG: "Please keep in mind I have other things in my life."
    EG: "Noted. Thank you for joining me in this discourse."
  • Gonzalo 2008-02-13 18:18
    alegr:
    halber_mensch:
    alegr:
    Gonzalo:
    Have you any idea about how much Google invests on Open Source Projects? I think you don't.


    invests != makes money

    Most likely the opposite.


    Addendum (2008-02-13 13:33):
    You know, they can afford it.

    WTF?!
    alegr:

    Google makes lots of money _using_ open source software, not _writing_ or _selling_ (or otherwise peddling) it.

    Which one is it then? Does google make money or lose money with OSS? Let me answer that for you.

    Gonzalo is stating that Google invests money into OSS, which is true. You've previously stated that Google uses this OSS to make money, which is also true. Therefore, both Google and OSS developers make money through mutual benefit; i.e. Google pays OSS developers to continue development on software that Google uses which makes Google more money to invest in the development of the OSS which makes Google more money which ... etc. etc.


    Here is the deal. They use Linux to run their server farms. This saves them a lot of money they would spend otherwise on proprietary system licences. They _make_ money sellind ads, not by selling OSS. Their indexing software is proprietary; they don't open its source. They finance a lot of OSS developers just for charity sake, not because they make money out of it (they just can afford throwing money on it). Do you still see any contradiction in this picture?




    You make me laugh. Charity??

    Google without an Operating System is just nothing. If Google would paid for an OS with cluster and distributed systems support when it borns, Google today would be a failed project, because nobody had invested on these two crazy students.

    (I'm sorry, my english really sucks)
  • Gonzalo 2008-02-13 18:23
    halber_mensch:
    jgoewert:
    Those first steps... antagonized by those who don't take them. Keep going. This is the intraweb, we bitch about everything.

    I used to be naive about that OSS stuff. Made a few applications myself and made them free thinking that users would support me enough to buy a case of beer or something once a week.

    Two years and about 10,000 downloads later, my wallet was heavier by $0. ROCK ON!

    http://sourceforge.net/project/stats/detail.php?group_id=79826&ugn=navi3&type=prdownload&mode=alltime&package_id=0

    Ok, let's pull ourselves down from the pillars of injustice for a moment here.

    Navi3, an "Asheron's Call Spawn Collection and Pathfinding Decal Plugin", that you have put so much love and devotion into, has no use in a revenue generating industry, let alone an essential use. A person that uses your plugin does not do so in the hopes of capital gain, improvement in business processes, or reliability of business infrastructure. A person that uses your plugin is a person that plays an online role-playing game. So yeah, duh, that person doesn't give you money. Your plugin's maintenance and development is not essential to any of their business needs or even their online playing experience. On the other hand, an embeddable standards compliant HTML rendering engine, for example, does have application in revenue generating industries like embedded devices and network appliances, and businesses in those industries may fund the development of said rendering engine to be able to utilize it at low cost of acquisition, testing, and maintenance. That's how the open source world works. If you fill the void of an actual business need, you may earn money. If you make a toy, however cute it may be, you probably won't see a dime except through selling adspace.


    In closed source world (excluding Freeware, of course), you pay for marketing, in open source world, you pay for how useful was this project to you. So, people do better things, starting from a developed and tested software, don't focusing on make the soft compatible with marketing, just with functionality.

    And if you have a great idea to apply to an existing software, you have not to remake the whole software.

    Again, sorry, my english really sucks :(
  • Some Exorcist 2008-02-13 18:28
    unum:
    I went to work for a company getting Republicans elected.


    BEGONE FOUL DEMON!!! IN THE NAME OF ALL THAT IS GOOD AND HOLY I COMMAND THEE TO LEAVE!!
  • Vas 2008-02-13 18:36
    I thought the comic was great, lets face it Open Source is a joke.

    The quicker the software communtity realise that releasing out programming talents for free is what is hurting our ability to earn the better.

    I'll jump on the OpenSource bandwagon, when real estate agents jump on the Open House wagon, and Lawyers start giving out free legal advice and grocery stores start having a Open food policy.

    Come on people, Developers used to be top tier earners, now there is too many people caught up in this ideal that is hurting us.
  • Timothy 2008-02-13 18:44
    I thought it was funny. If you don't like it, you don't have to read it. Why are you complaining? It's not like you're paying for it!
  • cyberjigoku 2008-02-13 18:46
    I earn more working on Linux than I did working on Windows. Also a lot more job security. IT DOES pay. Let the windows only slubs think they are funny.
  • Vas 2008-02-13 18:58
    cyberjigoku:
    I earn more working on Linux than I did working on Windows. Also a lot more job security. IT DOES pay. Let the windows only slubs think they are funny.


    Some people get paid from working on Open Source, but how bout the vast ammount that are doing work from the basemonts for the pure pleasure of it.

    Those people are damaging others from being paid whom have skills in similar fields. We are against each other, Microsoft vs Linux that sort of rubbish.

    What we need to do is work together as developers and charge bucket loads out of all companies, not code for free.

    look after ourselves here, cause no one looks after us Companies hire cheap labour as soon as they can find it.Consumers steal our hard work of websites, which most of us create for some reason.

    Time to tighten up guys, Open Source is doing us damage. The only good thing it can achieve is for educational purposes, but do we really want more skilled developers in our industry, we already have too many 4 month IT schools out there..

    We need a Union similar to the old factory working days, if your not on board then your labeled as a scab, taking bread of others table. (or in reality the mercedes out of my driveway)
  • *sigh* 2008-02-13 18:59
    No, there are many many other things that give open source developers a bad name. The comics just exaggerate and poke fun at a common stereotype.

    Less sensitivity, less preaching, more developing feature complete products. That's how to raise the image.
  • magetoo 2008-02-13 19:10
    t:
    Most people who _think_ realize that stereotypes form the basis of most humor. That's why there are blond jokes, religious jokes, jokes about what cats do, and jokes about 20 somethings who whine about life being so hard.

    Most people don't tell that type of jokes when in a room (half-)full of exactly the people the joke is aimed at, though. But this is only getting started, so let's be tolerant and call it the set-up. I'm sure it'll get better.
  • Roy-G-BIV 2008-02-13 19:25
    I think it would be a lot funnier if it had managed to work in a 'Friend Computer' joke somewhere.

    Though perhaps I can't blame him for not doing so. After all, it would be treasonous for someone with as low a clearance level as he.
  • nardokid 2008-02-13 19:43
    funny stuff. will be checking back for more.
  • Morbii 2008-02-13 19:44
    :\:
    I like the stereotyping here.
    So whats next a strip on how all Latino's eat rice and beans while everyone of African decent love to eat fried chicken and BBQ all the time?


    Or we could kill two birds with one stone and have them steal a car together. Brother...
  • captain obvious 2008-02-13 22:01
    Josh:
    ...and the commentary has to be more accurate, as a good portion of the folks who work on Open Source do so under the pay of a company that uses it.

    On the other hand, let's ask what's being made fun of here. The idealism? The kid's assumption that he'll take over the world? Or the fact that he chose to create economic output in the form of writing open source software?

    And, let me ask: what's inherently wrong with someone who, having a lot of time on their hands, decides to write open source software? Some folks join the Peace Corps; others join groups such as habitat for humanity. Still others choose to write open source software. If it provides benefit to society in general, then that is economic output and may be valuable. Remember, the two guys in a garage that was RedHat in the mid 90's now has hundreds of millions in revenue every year.

    It appears that you're assuming because someone works on open source, that person is a slacker. You know what happens when you ASS-U-ME, but in this case it's all on you.

    Cheers,
    -J


    Dude, shut up. Obviously, some people do well for themselves and are involved with OSS but the cartoon accuractely depicts many people.
  • dkmurphy 2008-02-13 22:06
    Sometimes it's hard to tell if the people who make comments are being sarcastic, facetious or curiously serious.

    Did you all miss the point that the FOSS guy condemns his friend for accepting a paying job, yet is willing to set aside his principles to benefit from his friend's filthy lucre by making him buy dinner?

    Pssst, that was the joke here, not that FOSS developers can't make money or aren't gainfully employed.

    We all have someone like the FOSS guy in our list of friends, colleagues and acquaintances. Someone who will ignore the principles they espouse when it's convenient. For instance, I know a competitively athletic vegan/peta member who is able justify wearing leather basketball shoes because of the better support they offer her. Clearly, in this instance it's OK for the cow to give up it's skin so she doesn't sprain an ankle.

    Perhaps those who have been posting defending FOSS (not the butt of this joke) are the FOSS guy in their own circle friends....
  • fu 2008-02-13 22:39
    That's just a patheticly tired joke from a no talent hack.
  • itwontpaymoney 2008-02-13 22:46
    Volmarias:
    Please, just let this die a horrible stillborn death before it becomes any worse----SNIPPED a river of tears about how bad this is----

    Note from Alex: If you have yet to learn the power of ignoring things* you don't like, and truly feel the need to continue to whine about how much you hate this comic, then do so on the original announcement or in the forums or directly to me.

    I am very recepitive to feedback of any kind, but please send it to the appropriate place. As such, off-topic comments ("first!", "you suck!", "this rocks!", "why did my 'you suck!' comment get censored!?") will be deleted.

    * Igorning MFD is actually amazingly easily in this case. Here's how! if (rssTitle.startsWith("Mandatory Fun Day:") || webTitle.IsColor("Obsidianish") ignore();
    .


    I'll ignore your ads too, genius.
  • TheKMan 2008-02-13 22:46
    Vas:

    We need a Union similar to the old factory working days, if your not on board then your labeled as a scab, taking bread of others table. (or in reality the mercedes out of my driveway)
    I completely agree!!! All that time spent at Uni with promises of high-paying jobs and rewards for the years of study and refining out programming skills, and then there are coders out there that are giving away what we are trying to sell for our work! Think about it, if local car manufacturers are selling cars, and some overseas place comes in and starts giving them away for free, what do you think will happen to the local manufacturers?! What possible excuse could the overseas place have to come here and take the money out of local manufacturers pockets without even making a profit??!! It's like Woolworths giving away everything for free, driving all local businesses to close. Open source is exactly the same thing! I agree Vas, who is going to buy a service when people are out there giving it away for free. Where's my Ferrari?!?!
  • Vas 2008-02-13 22:47
    fu:
    That's just a patheticly tired joke from a no talent hack.


    can you do better?

    i think it greatly resembles open source supporting people i know. I laugh cause its true.
  • Vas 2008-02-13 22:53
    Thanks TheKMan

    The worst thing is Open Source software are purely imitators not innovators. Most open source projects thrive on copying proprietry software like clones.

    In a world of no proprietry software, what will be left to copy? In a world of full open source all you will get is a bunch of 90 percent finished projects and apps (check sourceforge) people start them and dont stop them.

    In a wolrd of OpenSource you get a decrease in salary and in the end the end of software development as a career and more of a hobby. no money being spent on innovation because which company wants to be innovative if its going to be released to its competitors anyway?

    I work in a team who needs to think of cutting edge ideas each day to keep us ahead. Most of the guys here are pro Open Source. I sat in the board room one day and said "hey guys lets release our code to open source community" I've never seen so many people just look at me like im crazy. I proved my point to them and havent heard pro open source comments since.
  • chaos95 2008-02-13 23:00
    Anon delivers.

    CAPTCHA: facilisis. I think it might be terminal.
  • TheKMan 2008-02-13 23:02
    Yeah it's exactly like that. Imagine if we went around to each software house, looked at it's products, went and assembled a team of pro-open source coders, and developed the same products then released them for free. It would take down each business in its path. Think about all the jobs that would be lost and the salary decreases. And for what reason? What would we be gaining by doing this? Software isn't created from thin air, software is the result of people's hard work, and this should not be given away for free.
  • Sir Brialliance 2008-02-13 23:14
    I, for one, welcome our new MFD overlords.
  • Toukarin 2008-02-14 00:32
    Seriously, the comic sucks. It's almost Web 0.1, whereby the images are almost 2D (poor attempt to look 3D), no colours, squarish limbs, and very dry humour.

    - Poor graphics: strike 1
    - Poor drawings: strike 2
    - Poor content: strike 3

    I have friends who can draw better with basic photoshop skills (yes they can't hand-draw for nuts) who don't even feel they're good enough to start a web comic. And here we have something that somehow gets on to one of the more popular webpages (for god knows what reason) and we're subjected to this painful eyesore.
  • Ajk 2008-02-14 02:31
    I thought it was funny, please do some more comics that make fun of the OSS community - since they are so sensitive about it they deserve all they get :p
  • Thomas 2008-02-14 03:07
    Will you do a comic about a kid who wants to run a webcomic but lacks artistic talent, creativity and a sense of humor?
  • Art Creetick 2008-02-14 03:31
    "I can’t draw"

    I heartily agree with that statement of yours
  • Program.X 2008-02-14 03:44

    I'll just say, that I visit this site daily and appreciate the geeky humour and scenarios for what they are. Humour. A job well done, Alex and guys. The comic is a brilliant idea which adds more reason to skip work and view this site. Web sites are deceptive in terms of the amount of management required, so I am grateful for it.

    It's a comic, accept it for what it is. We're surely intelligent enough to apply it to our own experiences. Indeed, one very recently occured for me.

    A real shame about the negativity underneath the strip though. A good strip (who gives a crap about the artwork? - artistic style is subjective), otherwise, though.


  • Anonymous Coward 2008-02-14 03:50
    ABSOLUTELY GENIUS!

    The real joke isn't the comic itself, it's the comedy reaction it causes amongst the Open Source goons. ESPECIALLY those that actually fit into this stereotype and are offended by it. Genius!
  • jw 2008-02-14 03:56
    Heh... I remember a guy working at our company, always whining that he is most creative when he writes open source software, so he was spending at least half of his working hours developing some Linux/GPLed PowerPoint clone. He was always talking that money does not matter to him, but when the company had some financial issues and one salary was late, he just left.

    While in our company, some of the colleagues thought he was a genius, because he could talk a lot about 'compiler optimizations', 'Linux boot sequence', 'compiling the kernel', 'why Lisp is better than Python' etc... After he left, I had to fix some of the code he wrote for the company and it was a show-off disaster: lot of void pointers where only a single structure was used, some weird linked-list implementations, bad-designed API, etc...
  • Tei 2008-02-14 04:04
    Newbie webcomic 101

    Rule #1: draw characters with 4 fingers, not 5.
  • Shakje 2008-02-14 04:33
    So the militant OSS brigade are making the webcomic better by insulting it and proving the satire, all the while not realising that they are making the caricature more and more like them with every flame.

    In other news, you can't draw noses and this has ruined my day and possibly the weekend.
  • uggalabugga 2008-02-14 04:35
    I think these stupid comics should be somewhere else than in front page. Crap!

    CAPTCHA gravis
  • zzp 2008-02-14 04:36

    Yes, Google makes lots of money using open source software. How many other companies do? How many of them are in the Fortune 500?


    * IBM ($98.8B revenue): invests in services and software based on Linux through the IBM Linux Technology Center, which includes over 300 Linux kernel developers -- http://lwn.net/Articles/185602/

    * Sun ($13.8B). Open source products: OpenSolaris, OpenJDK (Java), MySQL, OpenSPARC. CEO Schwartz said his company is the perfect example of how you can make money from opensource products: http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/we_think_we_can

    * Apple ($24.0B): Darwin (Mac OS X).

    * Red Hat ($278M): as a quintessential case

    Excuse me but I think you don't know anything about how to make money with open source :)
  • Winnetou 2008-02-14 04:38
    this comic strip sucks:
    it's really not funny at all.

    It just shows the author's poor understanding of the idea behind open source software... why would you have to write oss for no money unless you want to?
    And if you did, why would you condemn others who do earn their money with writing software?
    Why would advertising free software include getting no money for work?
  • George Nacht 2008-02-14 04:39

    On the other hand, let's ask what's being made fun of here. The idealism? The kid's assumption that he'll take over the world? Or the fact that he chose to create economic output in the form of writing open source software?
    -J
    [/quote]

    I did not have time to read all comments, so probably someone beat me to it, but I guess the fun is not being made of him being idealist, rather of him being arrogant narrowsighted snob with zero tolerance to other opinions.
    As for the art, do not worry one bit. I´ve seen waaaaay worse, thad made it to number 150. and counting. Anyway, if pop singer gets throat cancer, and starts to hiss and groand instead of singing, they say he/she invented a new style. Why should the same rule not apply to drawing?
  • v.dog 2008-02-14 05:20
    Tony Green:
    "I don’t know how to use apostrophe’s"

    Oh the irony!
    That's not ironic, unless you're using Alanis Morrisette's definition of irony.

    "I know how to use apostrophe’s" would be ironic.

    George, there's only two places to use an apostrophe; to denote a missing letter (that's = that is, you're = you are) or indicate possession (Alanis Morrisette's definition definition of irony = the definition of irony belonging to Alanis Morrisette). Never use it for a plural.
    http://mark.tranchant.co.uk/notes/apostrophe
  • Vanger 2008-02-14 05:36
    It's just not funny. Drawing, layout - it's nothing compared to the poor content.
    Just like osnews' comic.

    Try to think up something more interesting, please.
  • PK 2008-02-14 06:38
    Sun has bought MySQL AB for $1 billion. Most of the proprietary code is same or even worse crap than FOSS.
    Windows Vista is a perfect example. Most of the WTFs on this site come from the closed-source-software-world.

    Hovewer, instead of fighting one over another, I would say that the most innovative ideas come from the academic world and then are copied by both open source and closed source developers. The top 500 companies rarely do innovations. They buy them.
  • Dave 2008-02-14 07:50
    Anonymous Coward:
    ABSOLUTELY GENIUS!

    The real joke isn't the comic itself, it's the comedy reaction it causes amongst the Open Source goons. ESPECIALLY those that actually fit into this stereotype and are offended by it. Genius!


    They fear my work because it speaks the truth!

    Seriously, though, the cartoons are terrible - that's probably the main reason people are complaining. There are loads of sites offering badly drawn, unfunny comic strips. This site offers something unique. Editing users comments sucks, too. If ignoring stuff is so easy, do it yourself.


  • ObiWayneKenobi 2008-02-14 08:19
    Evidently, nobody here has been to ZDNet, where the Linux/OSS trolls are EXACTLY like this dude's (Gilroy, was it?) friend - Working for "THE MAN" is bad (triply so if "THE MAN" is Microsoft), and everyone should dream of a world where all software is open source, and everyone sits like hippies in the field singing. The nonsense these people spew is downright disgusting most of the time, and of course has no factual basis.

    I found the comic quite entertaining, because it DOES represent the majority of pro-OSS people I've seen online.
  • this webcomic is a wtf 2008-02-14 08:38
    HOLY COW THIS WEBCOMIC IS ABOUT THE WORST THING ON THE WEB
  • KenW 2008-02-14 08:43
    Josh:
    Josh = ASS


    There. Fixed that for you.

    I bet, with your lack of personality, you don't get invited to a lot of parties and such.

    Seriously... Get a friggin' sense of humor.
  • KenW 2008-02-14 08:45
    :\:
    I don't see the humor in it

    /snip

    But hey keep your head up if the strip don't work out here Microsoft might have an opening in their FUD department for you. :)


    Ok. You and Josh get back to your home at /. and let the grownups talk, 'kay?
  • KenW 2008-02-14 08:51
    halber_mensch:
    No shit, man. Disliking content on the site is one thing, but to whine like an 8 year old that doesnt want to eat his brussels sprouts is uncalled for. You bastards don't pay the bills to keep the damn site up, so Alex has no obligation to you. You can piss off.

    Now, personally, I can take or leave the comic; but you know what? I have these well developed ocular muscles that allow me to redirect my focus to another part of the screen, thus avoiding the comic should I want to. It takes little effort, and is surprisingly effective.

    Furthermore, the joke is pretty funny. I am an open source developer that is gainfully employed, and I am not ignorant of the presence of greasy-haired smelly zealots living in their parents' basements blaming The Man for all their problems and believing that somehow in their social ineptness and poverty they will spend enough time not playing World of Warcraft to lead an open source revolution that will destroy Microsoft and bring peace and order to the galaxy with the mighty Linux Jedi as its protectorate. They are silly people, and coincidentally can't handle jokes about themselves.


    I nominate this post as the best one in the thread!

    Nice to see someone with a brain here; haven't seen your name before. Welcome! Someone with some intelligence, common sense, and a sense of humor is always a good addition.
  • KenW 2008-02-14 09:05
    Why:
    Alex, this is getting pathetic. "Off topic?" Say what you mean. "Off message."

    The topic of this site is pissing time away instead of actually working on our day jobs, which incidentally is what pays your bills. Or do you make money when I just read the article free of ads in my newsreader, and don't come to comment? You're not deleting messages because they are "off topic", which they are not. You're deleting messages because they are harmful to your commercial interest. But deleting them won't make the problem go away. Go ahead: keep it up and see how well that works for you.


    I sincerely hope that the posts Alex starts by deleting are yours.

    Alex didn't start this site to make money, and I'm quite sure that his day job pays his bills.

    I'm also quite sure that if you just STFU and go away, no one will notice. Don't believe me? STFU and go away; we'll see.
  • KenW 2008-02-14 09:08
    Martin:
    Well, I liked it... and as an avid webcomic reader, I know it will probably get better each time. So keep working, George, some of us DO have a sense of humour :P


    Hear, hear! Another intelligent poster!

    And I agree - keep working, George.

    Martin:
    And for those who argue that the comic is based on something than isn`t real, look at it this way: when you tell a joke, you start telling it by saying "Ok, this may not be 100% true, I haven't checked it myself, but I've been told that once a horse went into a bar..."?


    The problem is that we have at least two posters (Josh and :/) who ARE real, and resent the fact that someone poked fun at them; they resent it so much, actually, that they've poked their heads out of mommy's basement to complain here.
  • Ben B 2008-02-14 09:09
    Aww, don't cry, you know how people are!
  • Jason Voegele 2008-02-14 09:13
    Hey, don't be so hard on yourself. Not everybody thinks you suck. :)

    I rather like the comic strips so far, and look forward to reading more. I'd imagine that there are others and that silence is ascension.
  • KenW 2008-02-14 09:17
    asuffield:

    Unfortunately, it's just not funny.

    The only people who seem to be amused by it so far are those who think that free software in the real world is created by 16-year-old prats like this one - it isn't (and I've never met a kid who acted like that, although I have encountered more than a few actual free software developers).

    Free software is partly created under corporate sponsorship, but mostly created during the evenings and weekends of people who have jobs doing something else.


    This IS funny, because it illustrates most of the people who post at /. You know, the ones who have nothing better to do than whine about M$'s evil empire and world domination while they brag about their latest show of 1337 skills and ability to haX0r any web site on the planet.

    And anyone *serious* about FOSS development doesn't waste their time posting at /. with all of the script kiddies. They also don't waste their time posting FUD about MS, or Windows, or anything else. Instead, they write software.
  • KenW 2008-02-14 09:21
    mizchief:
    The Real WTF here is how so many people are complaining bout their posts being deleted. It appears one of mine was as well. If someone is cursing or just being overly offensive you may have grounds. Otherwise you are dooming your own site. Your stories and code samples are amusing, but ultimalty it's the community that keeps your site alive.


    So, let's see. If I come to a web site *you* run, and post hundreds of "mizchief is a moron. mizchief is an idiot. mizchief doesn't know how to run a web site. mizchief uses lousy software. mizchief is a dickwad.", are you telling me that you're not going to start deleting them? Give me your URL, and we'll test that theory.

    I think Alex is well within his rights to do anything he wants with his site, and with any comments made there. Don't like it? Go post your crud somewhere else.

    Alex, feel free to delete this post if you want.
  • Stu 2008-02-14 09:45
    Could be talking about userfriendly, I still read it though :-\
  • tombom 2008-02-14 09:46
    I agree that people going "OMG A COMIC NEVER READING SITE AGAIN" and/or deconstructing it in 6 paragraphs and ruining any humor it ever had are dumb but can we please just let people disagree without insulting them :(
  • jgoewert 2008-02-14 09:57
    halber_mensch:
    A person that uses your plugin does not do so in the hopes of capital gain, improvement in business processes, or reliability of business infrastructure. A person that uses your plugin is a person that plays an online role-playing game. So yeah, duh, that person doesn't give you money. Your plugin's maintenance and development is not essential to any of their business needs or even their online playing experience. On the other hand, an embeddable standards compliant HTML rendering engine, for example, does have application in revenue generating industries like embedded devices and network appliances, and businesses in those industries may fund the development of said rendering engine to be able to utilize it at low cost of acquisition, testing, and maintenance. That's how the open source world works. If you fill the void of an actual business need, you may earn money. If you make a toy, however cute it may be, you probably won't see a dime except through selling adspace.


    Really? People only buy software and digitial media for business needs? You need to tell those ringtone makers, video game creators, MMORPG online currency sellers, and others to quit even trying. Hell, art doesn't serve a business purpose, lets just go toss the Mona Lisa in a fire. At least fire will keep someone warm enough to tap out an accounts recievable application.

    I didn't say I knew it would support my living, I was just saying that even to the scale of usage, I have never made a dime off this or the other SF projects I contribute to. My problem was I didn't force people to pay. I was naive that I thought "gee, this might make someone's life just that much simpler that they might toss a buck at me. I didn't say OSS can be legitimate, but for every "Richard Stallman" out there, there are thousands of "me". And linking it back to the original problems in this thread.

    When you create something and give it away for free. I would think you would at least hope that someone who gained an advantage from it would do at least one nice thing back for you. Proprietary software puts that notion ahead of time by forcing you to pay for it. OSS normally shifts that to an afterthought.

    This comic was free content given to you, yet 90% of this thread is crapping all over it. Sounds like OSS as usual to me.
  • Pete from Perth 2008-02-14 10:04
    Good first steps on the web comic!

    Ignore the morons here whining about a new feature they didn't pay for.
    TBH, it seems to be on par with the devolution of the site. At first TDWTF was a fairly interesting page for tech rants. Then it dropped to Slashdot standard. Now it's falling to User Friendly level.

    I hope it makes the site more accessible to casual visitors and helps to pay Alex's bills, but, it makes the site a declining value proposition for me as a reader.

    I know it helps 'leverage the synergies' by attaching the web comic to the already successful Daily WTF web site, but, I'd rather the comic were kept to a separate site with a link in the sidebar.
  • Anonymous Coward 2008-02-14 10:06
    Linux never had a year.
  • KenW 2008-02-14 10:07
    DannyV:
    2003 is the year of linux? Come on! We ALL know that 2008 is the year of linux!


    DannyV:
    2003 is the year of linux? Come on! We ALL know that 3008 is the year of linux!



    There. Fixed that for you.
  • KenW 2008-02-14 10:09
    mikeh:
    Otherwise if it keeps crowding the front page, I won't bother reading any more.

    (heh, catpcha is "dolor" - spanish for pain. How appropriate!)


    Heh, ironically, 'adios' is Spanish for goodbye. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!
  • Anonymous Coward 2008-02-14 10:12
    Maybe the comic is supposed to be bad so we write the funny content for him.
  • KenW 2008-02-14 10:14
    cyberjigoku:
    I earn more working on Linux than I did working on Windows. Also a lot more job security. IT DOES pay. Let the windows only slubs think they are funny.


    Perhaps that's because you have no talent, and therefore commanded minimum wage on Windows? And then someone paid you 5 cents an hour to work on Linux instead?
  • vu 2008-02-14 10:29
    KenW:
    Why:
    Alex, this is getting pathetic. "Off topic?" Say what you mean. "Off message."

    The topic of this site is pissing time away instead of actually working on our day jobs, which incidentally is what pays your bills. Or do you make money when I just read the article free of ads in my newsreader, and don't come to comment? You're not deleting messages because they are "off topic", which they are not. You're deleting messages because they are harmful to your commercial interest. But deleting them won't make the problem go away. Go ahead: keep it up and see how well that works for you.


    I sincerely hope that the posts Alex starts by deleting are yours.

    Alex didn't start this site to make money, and I'm quite sure that his day job pays his bills.

    I'm also quite sure that if you just STFU and go away, no one will notice. Don't believe me? STFU and go away; we'll see.


    Are we going to get another 50 quality posts from you, douchebag?
  • DZ-Jay 2008-02-14 10:35
    I get it. I suck


    The artwork is fine, you shouldn't worry too much about that, and keep on practicing to develop your style -- just not here, please. Which is the problem: it's not your artistic abilities that are at fault, it's that the comic is just _not_ funny. Sorry.

    It seems that it tries too hard to point at the most commonplace and, frankly, cheap and lazy generalizations. So, cobol programmers are old and cranky, yet still around; and staffing agencies get kids fresh out of college and position them as experienced experts just to make a buck. And, of course, idealistic open source geeks live with their parents and have no jobs. Ho-hum. *yawn*

    These observations in and of themselves are not funny. And you seem to just be pointing them out, instead of giving them a point of view. Without an angle, they're just, well, real life. And real life is boring.

    -dZ.
  • Vas 2008-02-14 10:38
    ha ha, this one made my night.

    Seriously the only way you can make money off open source is by converting an opensource project for a company working internally. However doing this means your making another ten peoples job obsolete which means another ten people in the market looking for any job to put bread on the table which means lowing you ability to get paid.

    Comon its not that hard, its simple economics. Truth is open source is for uni students who still believe software developers are in high demand. after two years of real work experience we all learn that thats not the case. the people that continue with this idealism are those jerk offs that thin 40k is heaps of money because they sit in their house all day ride their bike to work and they only need to spend money on rent and a dirty magazine to unload on while talking to some cyber girl.

    comon programmers have some dignity lets raise our profile, jobs and salary again, stop giving your skills away for free. not matter if your ugly bald and geeky, if you start selling your skills for money again you might have the chance to see a chick naked, might be a fat chick but a girl all the same.
  • Jessy Ouellette 2008-02-14 10:41
    Hey, Don't stop this web comics. I posted them in our work Campfire room (chat room) and every one loves them, who cares what it looks like, they are funny!!!


    Keep up with the good work!
  • alegr 2008-02-14 10:44
    zzp:

    Yes, Google makes lots of money using open source software. How many other companies do? How many of them are in the Fortune 500?


    * IBM ($98.8B revenue): invests in services and software based on Linux through the IBM Linux Technology Center, which includes over 300 Linux kernel developers -- http://lwn.net/Articles/185602/

    * Sun ($13.8B). Open source products: OpenSolaris, OpenJDK (Java), MySQL, OpenSPARC. CEO Schwartz said his company is the perfect example of how you can make money from opensource products: http://blogs.sun.com/jonathan/entry/we_think_we_can

    * Apple ($24.0B): Darwin (Mac OS X).

    * Red Hat ($278M): as a quintessential case

    Excuse me but I think you don't know anything about how to make money with open source :)


    Sun: They open-sourced Solaris when they couldn't sell it profitably anymore because of competition from Linux. Thus, they threw in the towel.
    Apple Darwin: They don't make any money out of it. No, it's not OS X. It's just lost investment.

    IBM: I wonder what share of their income comes from Linux services. So far I didn't see any number in their quarterly conference call. 300 Linux Kernel Developers is <$10M/year expenses. They can afford to waste it.
  • DZ-Jay 2008-02-14 10:46
    My comic is still 100000 times better.


    Yes! That *is* funny! Is that a real comic, or are you making them up for this forum?

    -dZ.
  • alegr 2008-02-14 10:48
    PK:
    Sun has bought MySQL AB for $1 billion. Most of the proprietary code is same or even worse crap than FOSS.
    Windows Vista is a perfect example. Most of the WTFs on this site come from the closed-source-software-world.



    Man, some of crappest code ever was I saw in BSD. Check tcp_input() function - 2000 lines of spaghetti.
  • Peter Szieba 2008-02-14 14:46
    As a C# junior developer, I'm not offended by the comic's theme nor stereotyping. I don't even mind the crappy artwork; some of the best webcomics are done by average drawers.

    The problem with this is that it's clumsily written and stale.

    If you want to entertain us by targeting stereotypes, you should go for a Maddox-style rant instead. You suck as a cartoonist. Sorry.
  • Perry 2008-02-14 15:31
    What's being made fun here is not idealism but rather idealism on someone else's dime. The true idealist lives in reality not on mummy's checkbook.
  • Dark Shikari 2008-02-14 15:57
    Come on, this comic is inaccurate. I earn good money *working on open source software*.
  • zzp 2008-02-14 16:46

    They open-sourced Solaris when they couldn't sell it profitably anymore.


    So you prove my point ! Making Solaris open source was a way to make MORE money.

    Of course you conveniently didn't comment on Java, MySQL, OpenSPARC, Red Hat, etc.

    Oh well, if you want to stick your head under the sand and keep trying to convince yourself it is impossible to make money off open source, I don't care :)
  • FiveNines 2008-02-14 17:12
    And it's an exaggerated caricature of the open source movement and the people who believe in it.


    Actually, it seems to be a cartoon based on the group of people who dont make any attempt to understand FOSS and assume since there's no money involved, its for communists.

    But there is some truth to the notion that a lot of people who have a "Open Source Forever!" stance also have a "Death to Micro$oft!" stance and a "Windows is evil!" stance and can't understand why anyone in the world would ever use a piece of proprietary software, never see any flaws or faults at all in using FOSS,


    There is certainly a portion of FOSS who actively argue against the use of Microsoft software. That has little to do with the ideolism versus financial aspects of life which seems to form the core of the "joke".

    There are many, many web developers who exclusively use open-source software for every aspect of their livelihood.

    There are even more developers, perhaps even most, who do not distribute their software outside their employing company and for whom the choice between commercial and open-source is an entirely practical one.

    And out of all these people using open source software in their day to day life, you will find the bulk of the developers who write open source software.

    Some developers as mentioned are employed explicitly to write open source software, but many just do so for fun, to scratch an itch, or to provide value to other people around the world.

    That some people cant understand undertaking a task for a reason other than profit is sad but entirely expected; but the picture painted by the comic is one that does not appear to have any basis.
  • Rev. Spaminator 2008-02-14 17:13
    Every year can be the Year of Linux. I use it all year, every year.

    BTW, I have met some of those guys stereotyped in the strip. I would love to see some fun poked at the MS stereotypes I've encountered.
  • stacy 2008-02-14 17:43
    dkf:
    DannyV:
    2003 is the year of linux? Come on! We ALL know that 2008 is the year of linux!
    I remember when 1993 was the Year of Linux.

    I remember when 1983 was the year UNIX was supposed to die!
  • Mr Grammar 2008-02-14 17:56
    KenW:
    mikeh:
    Otherwise if it keeps crowding the front page, I won't bother reading any more.

    (heh, catpcha is "dolor" - spanish for pain. How appropriate!)


    Heh, ironically, 'adios' is Spanish for goodbye. Don't let the door hit ya where the good Lord split ya!


    I fail to see the irony. It may be appropriate, but not ironic in any sense.
  • Vas 2008-02-14 18:14
    Sure companies can make money because they dont have to pay as many developers. Its like outsourcing work to India, except cheaper because people are doing the work for free.

    Open Source doesnt hurt companies, it hurts developers, increased revenue from companies is due to less developers.

  • alegr 2008-02-14 19:06
    stacy:

    I remember when 1983 was the year UNIX was supposed to die!


    Is UNIX (real, AT&T, proprietary) still alive (other than in SCO imagination)?
  • Your.Master 2008-02-14 20:49
    Vas:
    Time to tighten up guys, Open Source is doing us damage. The only good thing it can achieve is for educational purposes, but do we really want more skilled developers in our industry, we already have too many 4 month IT schools out there..


    The real WTF is that you're implying that these too many 4 month IT schools are producing skilled developers.

    Vas:
    Comon its not that hard, its simple economics. Truth is open source is for uni students who still believe software developers are in high demand. after two years of real work experience we all learn that thats not the case. the people that continue with this idealism are those jerk offs that thin 40k is heaps of money because [ad hominem strawman attack about success with women clipped]


    I am a Microsoft developer. As in, employed by Microsoft. I work on closed source software. With that said, you are entirely wrong about this.

    Aside from all the junk you've spewed about the motives of OSS programmers and the "only way" to make money from OSS, the major fallacy here is the idea that development is zero-sum. In other words, you think there is a finite amount of software development to be done in the Universe, and that portion of OSS people who code for free or pittance bounties are taking it away, thus reducing demand and pricing you out of the market.

    I've noticed that often, when people say "it's simple economics" it isn't simple economics.

    There's this thing, called network effect. What that means is that with some commodities, the more they exist, the more valuable they are. Imagine being the tenth guy with a telephone. Congratulations! You can call 9 other people. Even if the phone cost 1 cent, nobody would buy one unless they knew one of the other 10 guys. Now, though, everybody has at least one telephone # and multiple telephones at home. Often 1 cellphone #/person in the household, too.

    In tech, overwhelmingly the trend has been that the more software that exists, the more demand exists for more software. Many developers were hired to work on Internet Explorer 7 and 8 because of firefox (mozilla pays employees too, but there are unpaid contributors, sure). Microsoft salaries are high, far more than 40k even in locales with much lower costs of living than silicon valley. So w00t. Free market will spread more money unto everyone!

    Progress breeds progress. It doesn't matter how TCP/IP was developed, but because it was developed we can now develop P2P protocols/applications, and file transfer thingies in a million varieties, and VoIP, and IPTV, and web browsers; the web browsers in turn allow and Youtube and Google. And everything results in something else.

    Software developers ARE in high demand, I got 4 offers coming out of school less than a year ago and I only applied to Google (and got an offer, turned it down, and while I'm not certain long-term I made the right choice -- I had been planning on grad school and just changed my mind -- I can tell you that in terms of pure $$$ I made the correct decision, barring another massive stock run-up). Of course, depending on where you want to live, your local situation may vary, but that's not really an OSS issue. Some people have bad luck, sure. In your case, maybe it's just that you suck?

    I actually walk to work; I hate driving, when I walk I don't have to pay attention to what I'm doing. I could also not pay attention when driving but then I'm criminally negligent.

    The comic itself? Not very funny, but certainly not offensive. The offended parties need to lighten up, a LOT. And yes, such people as the Linux guy in this comic do exist, I have met them. They are a minority of contributors, sure (not actually so sure about them being a minority of home users, but I'm not sure they aren't, either: no data).

    Author needs to replace trite jokes like the one in the comic with more spontaneous ones, like when he explained that his art will improve at the same moment that he runs out of jokes. I could draw better and I suck at drawing, but it's a webcomic so I don't care about that so much.

    A part of me thinks that the comic might have been crafted to provoke just such hilarious reactions as appeared here. I don't actually believe that, but it would be genius. The only time I was more amused reading comments here was that stupid goddamn thread a while back where about 15 different theories of how C would behave each had an equal number of supporters and all they could agree on were that the minority who were actually correct, were stupid. Can't remember what detail it was, now.
  • maree 2008-02-14 21:52
    The location of Tux is very suggestive.
  • anonymous web comic expert 2008-02-15 00:05
    Anonymous:
    My comic is still 100000 times better.
    (comic with "Hi I'm a corporate sellout/linux user" ..)


    QFT

    The alex:

    For those of you who don't know how to ignore stuff you don't like blah blah blah


    It's called signal to noise ratio, and it can ruin your internet experience, in more ways than one. I haven't read every web comic on the internet in search of each one's 1 in 1000 actually funny jokes, and I don't see why this one should be special.
  • Sahi 2008-02-15 02:36
    I do like it, and I am surprised by how many people feel insulted by this comic.
  • Dave 2008-02-15 08:31
    Sahi:
    I do like it, and I am surprised by how many people feel insulted by this comic.


    Your taste isn't that representative of the users of this site then! It would be interesting to see the results of a poll on this. I doubt there'd be as much complaining about it if 1) it wasn't on the front page but on a link to the site, 2) peoples comments hadn't been censored and 3) it had been any good.
  • Kederaji 2008-02-15 10:17
    dkf:
    DannyV:
    2003 is the year of linux? Come on! We ALL know that 2008 is the year of linux!
    I remember when 1993 was the Year of Linux.
    Which is just proof that the Year of Linux never ended.
  • Reverend 2008-02-15 11:57
    Good grief people, get over yourself. Some of you may not realize it, but 95% of comedy is exaggerated stereotypes. That's what makes it funny! If we couldn't relate to part of the humor there would be no joke.

    So, if the humor hits a bit too close to home then perhaps you take yourself too seriously? I find that people that can't laugh at themselves are usually arrogant bores, and based on the comments I'm reading I'd say that observation won't be changing anytime soon.

    I just can't believe that in this day and age a whole group of you are still going to get all huffy and personally offended that someone actually had the audacity to make a joke about open source advocates, like they have never made fun of anyone else. Please.

    For the record, the comic gave me a good chuckle. Nice job.
  • Jon W 2008-02-15 15:28
    Problem is, most open source projects are run by people who THINK they are great, but are actually just middle of the field -- typically, intelligent students, or under-stimualted IT employees. By the time you're great, you're usually working at a good salary at a commercial company, and you have a family to feed. The 15 years of experience is often missing from FOSS projects.

    There are, of course, a few counter-examples, such as Apache, or the Linux kernel. But I still can't print to my Canon printer from my Linux box.
  • Gparent 2008-02-16 00:47
    :\:
    I like the stereotyping here.
    So whats next a strip on how all Latino's eat rice and beans while everyone of African decent love to eat fried chicken and BBQ all the time?

    I don't see the humor in it basically your taking a large segment of the software development community stereotyping them as communist software developers who are all long haired stallman types and that no money can ever be made from an open source project. You do realize their are many open source developers out there making good money alot more then $42k a year.


    Holy crap get over yourself. It's a freaking comic.
  • Howi 2008-02-16 19:34
    I thought it was amusing...

    Practice drawing a bit, though :) Faces keep changing.
  • real_aardvark 2008-02-17 20:40
    alegr:
    PK:
    Sun has bought MySQL AB for $1 billion. Most of the proprietary code is same or even worse crap than FOSS.
    Windows Vista is a perfect example. Most of the WTFs on this site come from the closed-source-software-world.



    Man, some of crappest code ever was I saw in BSD. Check tcp_input() function - 2000 lines of spaghetti.

    Please. I don't need acid flashbacks.

    Right back to you, then: have you checked out the original BSD DNS code? It's a very faithful rendition of RFC1035, which is in turn a total brain-dump by Mockapetris. The goggles, they do nothing.

    (Mind you, the peculiar thing is that the code apparently works...)
  • real_aardvark 2008-02-17 20:58
    operagost:
    :\:
    I like the stereotyping here.
    So whats next a strip on how all Latino's eat rice and beans while everyone of African decent love to eat fried chicken and BBQ all the time?

    No, but we're dangerously close to one about improper apostrophe usage and word confusion.

    Now, why on earth would anybody on this site waste their time by arguing about apostrophes? Dearie me. The most trivial of IDEs would pick that sort of stuff up.

    Well, here goes otherwise:
    Freddy Bob:
    That should be "anatomically correctly". "Correct" is an adjective and not the adverb which would have been needed to modify the verb.
    Quibbles aside though, Mandatory Fun Day sucks dogs' balls.

    Gotta love that quibble. Quibble me more, Freddy Bob. Anatomically, "sucking dogs' balls" appears an interesting challenge, unless you've cut them off first; but then, I don't quite know what y'all eat for breakfast down there in 'Bama.

    But at least somebody on this site knows how to treat a well-brought-up apostrophe; not to mention an inadvisable adjective.
  • Vadi 2008-02-20 00:24
    Yay funnyyyy.

    Most IT jobs involve open-source in one way or another though, so it's all cool.
  • Vas 2008-02-20 01:18

    First of all i dont suck, I work on more interesting R&D projects you would ever at Microsoft, So dont be trying to drop names to validate your opinion.

    in the end you have 1 year worth of experience, What your worth is nothing compared to the rate software developers should be getting and use to be getting. So come back in a few years and review what you have just said and repost again.

    More software meaning more demand for software doesnt make sense. For example there are open source software out there for dentists, that does what proprietry software does. How does this increase the need for more proprietry dental software.

    Maybe ill reply in more detail to your post, but too busy at the moment
  • Chris 2008-02-20 06:09
    IMHO a lot of the linux "fanboys" are only big fans because it's free in the sense you can download it and not have to pay for it.

    They don't give a damn about getting the source, or the fact you can, or that it's open, it's just a way to get an OS, office suite, DVD & media player etc without having to pay a penny.

    I'm too old and jaded for OS holy wars - been there, done that when it was C64 vs Spectrum, then Amiga vs Atari, so tbh Mac OS v Windows v Linux - I really don't care, and I use all three.
  • l33t h4x0r 2008-02-27 01:33
  • passerby 2008-03-20 11:24
    Stereotypes are funny. This joke involves people who are of a community that is widely singled out as the blunt of a joke and feel empowered by the anonymity of the Internet. A community that stereotypically frequents websites such as these. Maybe you should be less appalled of how much you have in common with the character being made fun of and instead bask in the joyous absurdity of stereotypes.

    Instead you could over-analyze every situation and joke in hopes that your "different" view on the matter makes you a step above the average Joe.

    I've developed open source, and this gave me a chuckle.
  • anonymous 2008-09-12 00:52
    Yeah, Exactly!

    We can make humour without sterotypes, or shocks. or any of that stuff!

    These two guys walk into a bar, and they have a drink bit of a chat then they leave! lmao!!


    Shame when somethings close to home people can't take a joke.
    I'd link some topics on humour, what it releases, how its a therapy and all that. but i suspect your to wrapped up in defending yourself.

    Just to note I use open source, and I've contributed to open source projects.
    I'm not denying that you can make money of open-source. you can.
    But if you can't get the joke then maybe your the sterotype? Bitter much?