Announcement: Website.RenameTo(“Worse Than Failure”)

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  • b0red 2007-02-24 16:06
    Nice name, heh =-)

    You didn't mention the tweaked looked -- I like it!!
  • Anonymous 2007-02-24 16:13
    Funny, I was actually thinking that this site needed a new name just today. "Daily" just doesn't fit too well. :)
    I like the new one too, only shortening it to just WTF could cause some confusion... WoTF perhaps? Any better ideas?
  • fennec 2007-02-24 16:13
    The real WTF is still the forum software.

    Addendum (2007-02-24 16:21):
    -- also, shouldn't that be website.renameTo() instead of Website.RenameTo()?
  • Evert 2007-02-24 16:13
    Thats kind of weak.. bend up for the man

    wtf
  • fennec 2007-02-24 16:29
    I've done basic updates to the Wikipedia article.
  • swapo 2007-02-24 16:31
    I recently had an similar situation about what WTF stands for. I like the new Backronym, keep up the good work (and I should send in some WTFs myself...).

    fennec:
    also, shouldn't that be website.renameTo() instead of Website.RenameTo()?

    Not if you're from the .NET-World as Alex obviously is, they use some really WTFish naming conventions over there ;-)
  • itsmelol! 2007-02-24 16:35
    What the fuck? Well at least its still wtf...
  • Mr. Mister 2007-02-24 16:36
    This is lame. WTF!? Not PC enough? Gowd help us.

    The Real WTF? RSS link!

    http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Announcement_0x3a__Website_0x2e_RenameTo(“Worse_Than_Failure”).aspx

    clicked in RSS newsreader opens up url:

    http://worsethanfailure.com/Articles/Announcement_0x3a__Website_0x2e_RenameTo(%1CWorse_Than_Failure%1D).aspx

    ...

    Bad Request (Invalid URL)
  • X.Static 2007-02-24 16:40
    A much more fitting name IMO.
  • Censoring FAILS! 2007-02-24 16:45
    Yet another website falls for the censoring way of life. In every country (especially USA) you see this shit happening :S stop bloody censoring things just cos some ppl can't handle vulgare names!

    Up yours!
  • Publius 2007-02-24 16:48
    I think the real WTF here is that I'll never have to hear what the real WTF here is again.
  • Jackal von ÖRF 2007-02-24 16:56
    What happened to the "show full articles" checkbox on the front page? Today when I came to the site, there were 3 new articles, which meant that I had to (1) click "Full Article" link on the oldest article and read it, (2) click "Back" button, (3) click "Full Article" link on the second oldest article and read it, (4) click "Back" button, (5) click "Full Article" link on the latest article and read it. So a total of 5 clicks compared to 0 clicks if the full articles had been visible on the front page.

    Addendum (2007-02-25 04:09):
    mario, the hyperlink was not visible when I wrote that message (using Firefox + NoScript). Now it at least says "Tip: Enable JavaScript & Cookies to toggle full article text" so I will know to enable JavaScript to get the link visible. So the WTF is only that the site requires JavaScript enabled.
  • Al 2007-02-24 17:03
    Publius:
    I think the real WTF here is that I'll never have to hear what the real WTF here is again.


    Censoring FAILS!:
    Yet another website falls for the censoring way of life. In every country (especially USA) you see this shit happening :S stop bloody censoring things just cos some ppl can't handle vulgare names!

    Up yours!


    Uh, I think you need to look at the new name a little more carefully guys...

    Capcha: Darwin
  • mario 2007-02-24 17:06
    Jackal von ÖRF:
    What happened to the "show full articles" checkbox on the front page? Today when I came to the site, there were 3 new articles, which meant that I had to (1) click "Full Article" link on the oldest article and read it, (2) click "Back" button, (3) click "Full Article" link on the second oldest article and read it, (4) click "Back" button, (5) click "Full Article" link on the latest article and read it. So a total of 5 clicks compared to 0 clicks if the full articles had been visible on the front page.


    Or, you could have cliked on hyperlink right where the checkbox used to be that says "Display: Full Article.

    Sure, it would have required 1 click more than 0 clicks, but you would have saved at least 500 keystrokes, and an additional 2 clicks to post the comment.

    Heck, you would have even saved me a bunch of keystrokes and clicks as well.
  • Censoring FAILS! 2007-02-24 17:07
    I did realise that Worse then Failure actually does seem like WTF. But it isn't, it is just a cuty contest to fit in the censoring way of life :S, which, imho, is a sad step. Basically, I am completly against censoring, and as this is censoring I am against this website, and as I am against this website I will stop reading this website as regulary as I did before.

    Just here to defend my statement, and wanna see people defending the renaming :).
  • mario 2007-02-24 17:13
    Censoring FAILS!:
    Basically, I am completly against censoring, and as this is censoring I am against this website, and as I am against this website I will stop reading this website as regulary as I did before.


    How is this change at all censorship? Censorship would be deleting your comment because you're whining.

    Censoring would be not printing the real names of WTF companies involved in the stories. Oh wait. That's already done ... so ... wait, how are you reading the WTF still if Alex already does that?
  • john q public 2007-02-24 17:16
    Stupid to change the name. dumb move.
  • Roy 2007-02-24 17:18
    How about "WTF Technology Folklore"?
  • Ryan 2007-02-24 17:19
    I think "The Daily WTF" was part of this site's success and an excellent brand. We'll see if Worse Than Failure captures new audience as well, I doubt it.
  • Ryan 2007-02-24 17:20
    When do people make business plans based on how their Grandma likes the name? I thought that the target market determined the name.
  • Dennis 2007-02-24 17:23
    I actually liked the old name better than this one, probably because TheDailyWTF is funnier/better to say (for me that is, but I won't say such stuff to my grandma) than Worse Than Failure.
  • AC 2007-02-24 17:26
    Liked the old name better. WTF is up with changing it? Seems like bowing to PC pressure to me. Hmmm, other PC names: Succeeding Differently? Functionally Challenged Conceptions? Differently Abled IT?
  • no 2007-02-24 17:28
    What the Flip have you done?

    unfuckingbelievable.
  • NewNames 2007-02-24 17:41
    Reasons old name was better:
    - daily was in the name (it just sounds more frequent, visit daily)
    - wtf is the real wtf (and an internet lingo - worse than failure is just a cop out to keep WTF acronym but changes the meaning)
    - mentally seeing FAILURE at the top of your page in red is bad for the irrational marketing side.
    - longer URL (new name)
    - dailywtf was a name that caught attention, new name does not have the same ring
    - your relatives disliked the name, usually means you are onto something good.

    At least grandma is happy.
  • Icarium 2007-02-24 17:42
    YOU RE A SISSY! :)
    come on saying fuck to your grandma can't be worth it :)
  • Dave 2007-02-24 17:45
    Leave the name and let us explain it to grandma!
  • rudolf 2007-02-24 17:48
    Captcha : slashbot...
    let's hope this site doesn't turn into something that sounds similar eh :)
  • Erik 2007-02-24 17:52
    I've been a reader for a LOOOONG time and this is the first post I've ever felt the need to make. Changing the name of this site for the sheer PC-ishness of it is RIDICULOUS.

    I'm shocked that anyone who would have used the original name in the first place would later cave to this sort of pressure. Definitely a sad day and I will close by saying that if you stick with the neutered name, then the terrorists have truly won.
  • Noone important 2007-02-24 17:52
    What the Frack?
  • Evo 2007-02-24 17:57
    The real Worse Than Failure is the Taboo for the old ppl on the word Fuck ;-)

    Looking forward to the programming contests though!
  • Eric Cartman 2007-02-24 17:59
    The link to this site in my favorites bar says "The Daily WTF". I'm going to edit it so that it reads the REAL name: "The Daily WHAT THE FUCK?!?"

    Fuck-fuckity-fuck-fuck-fuck. Jesus Christ - it doens't hurt anybody!


    Captcha: smile
  • PeriSoft 2007-02-24 18:00
    If PC Week can get away with changing its name to eWeek, this isn't so bad.

    (I wrote to them suggesting that 'eWeak' might be a better monicker given their submission to industry peer pressure, but I guess they didn't think it was funny.)

    CAPTCHA: Xevious. Back in the day.
  • AC 2007-02-24 18:00
    Huh? April 1st is 5 weeks away, whay gives?
  • EnterUserNameHere 2007-02-24 18:04
    The REAL WTF is that the intent of renaming the site has had the opposite effect and actually resulted in MORE of the F-word!
  • WWWWolf 2007-02-24 18:05
    fennec:
    -- also, shouldn't that be website.renameTo() instead of Website.RenameTo()?


    No, it should be:

    :1,$s/The Daily WTF/Worse Than Failure/

    The REAL WTF is that apparently, according to the title, no one at the site's end bothered to edit the configuration files or templates or update the database table or whatever the heck this monstrous piece of software uses. Instead they just dived in the CMS logic, added a line of code to change the site title, and recompiled.

    So, um, the title is obviously in line with the contents of the site.
  • Erik 2007-02-24 18:06
    Oh, and please sell off the old thedailywtf.com domain so somebody who has balls can continue.
  • wgh 2007-02-24 18:15
    Man, this is a sad day. I _really_ like the old name so much better.
  • WORSE and FAILURE 2007-02-24 18:21
    Some words have bad mojo, just seeing WORSE and FAILURE in your title in large red type, it will affect the brand. Its not too late to go back. Don't worry you can keep the URL and tell a story on it about one time when you changed the name of your most successful brand in the height of its readership. F*CK is such a nicer word than FAILURE and WORSE.
  • null-loop 2007-02-24 18:37
    I'm going to have to add my 2 pennies worth. Old name rocked, new name sucks. As someone else has noted, Worse Than Failure doesn't make any sense What The Fuck? does... it described perfectly what we'd all think when reading most of the articles. Very lame Alex, I'm disappointed.
  • GeneWitch 2007-02-24 18:38
    I don't care what the site is named, that's so petty.
    I'll still visit and be an asshole sometimes and be nice othertimes and appreciate all the help you guys give me. and advice!

    One thing though Alex... Obfuscate the real reason next time... say that the TLD .com people made you change your domain name because they were scared they'd be featured on your main page or something.

    And don't sell off the old domain, forever forward it here!

    Weeeeee!

    EDIT:
    Do you guys write letters when vivendi buys companies and makes them change their names? How about Time? Warner? Bell labs/ Ma Bell?
    The lot of you that are being cantankerous about this really should look at what you are doing... you get this site for FREE... it's funny and entertaining... and you guys are giving the webmaster shit because he changed something. Get a grip.
  • masklinn 2007-02-24 18:38
    Mmmm Alex?

    Would it be possible:

    * For the old domain not to redirect to "worsethanfailure.com"
    * For the old domain to keep the old DWTF branding

    ?

    It's pretty trivial to do so the tech part shouldn't be much of an issue

    That way, those who really prefer their WTF with more dailys and more fucks would get to keep it, and those who prefer failures could fail as hard as they can?
  • Plastriq 2007-02-24 18:40
    I really liked the other name better...
  • Sell out! 2007-02-24 18:40
    Another person bows to public pressure. I say fuck at least 60 times a day if not more. Just because it makes people uncomfortable.
  • GeneWitch 2007-02-24 18:43
    on a side note, i really want to see the domain

    TenToTheTenToTheTen.com - World's fastest search engine.
  • Kinglink 2007-02-24 18:48
    The daily WTF is the better name, WTF is a common idea to most online people. Worse than failure doesn't make sense and just makes me shake my head.

    I'm sorry about you talking to your grandma but so what? Just tell her it's an acronym that means something doesn't make sense. Changing the whole site because the F stands for a swear is silly.

    Changing the format of the site is up to you, Want to have a "worse than failure" section that's fine, but changing the name is going to lose you readers.

    And when I say WTF I'm being polite here, I mean the What the **** not the letters.
  • Jason Scott 2007-02-24 18:51
    Lame. But you gotta do what works for you.
  • Jochen Ritzel 2007-02-24 18:52
    WTF? That name was perfekt. It was blinking in big letters in my head whenever i read something here. Besides, wtf, lol, rofl and the like are no longer acronyms at all and dont need to be spelled out. Saying "WTF stands for What the fuck" is like saying "IBM stands for Industrial Buisness Machines". Will you start explaining the facial expression of the smiley in the header too? I'm really disappointed :/
  • wtf 2007-02-24 18:54
    When I used to tell a friend about this site, they'd get a kick out of the name and that alone would make them want to check it out. "Worse Than Failure" sounds like a shitty local emo band or something. Very disappointing.
  • WORSE and FAILURE 2007-02-24 18:55
    GeneWitch:
    I don't care what the site is named, that's so petty.


    Then why change it, changing it is petty and truly a bad marketing decision. I know programmers dont' do marketing but branding works. The whole site was spawned from one thread titled the Daily WTF, why be petty and change it.
  • ikebowen 2007-02-24 18:57
    So. ... You'll live, guys.
  • Broderick Brydeson 2007-02-24 19:04
    First time commenting, read six or so via reddit. New name sucks. That is all.
  • Broderick Brydeson 2007-02-24 19:05
    Me again. Even "Fail hard" would be better.
  • Lol at whiners 2007-02-24 19:13
    People who paid for this site line up to my right please...


    Yeah shut up! that's more like it bitches


    (captcha: slashbot, pwn3d)
  • Fred 2007-02-24 19:13
    I like the name change. Love the site, didn't like the name, because I do consider it a vulgarity. So, thanks.
  • MyKey_ 2007-02-24 19:17
    So you're moving away from one of the most interesting word in the English language...

    Makes me think of Monthy Python: The Usage Of Fuck.

    captcha: fuck (just kidding, it's kungfu)
  • DaBookshah 2007-02-24 19:23
    Old name = Good
    New name = shit.

    Bring back tdwtf!
  • AbbydonKrafts 2007-02-24 19:46
    The new name doesn't even make sense for a lot of the content that gets posted here. Honestly.. does an odd dialog, unrolled loop, or reinvented wheel (function replacements, etc) really classify as "Worse Than Failure"?!!

    The name just does not fit. If you want to go all PC, pick a name that really reflects what the site contains. The new name is now the site's "Curious Perversion". Sheesh.

    CAPTCHA: stinky (my thoughts exactly)
  • Quincy5 2007-02-24 19:47
    WORSE and FAILURE:
    GeneWitch:
    I don't care what the site is named, that's so petty.


    Then why change it, changing it is petty and truly a bad marketing decision. I know programmers dont' do marketing but branding works. The whole site was spawned from one thread titled the Daily WTF, why be petty and change it.


    That makes me curious. Where and when was this thread posted and can it still be found somewhere?
  • PiloT 2007-02-24 19:49
    This name sucks :/
  • lucas 2007-02-24 19:55
    LAME!
  • Corion 2007-02-24 19:57
    I have to agree that I liked the other name better ...

    The name really set the tone for this website. I too think differently of WTF and the F-word - WTF seems so much more innocuous for us web users.

    I have to agree that the best solution would be keeping both domains and trying to set it up so the header and all references to the acronym are replaced with family-friendly versions.

    Also, I agree with whoever said that the word "daily" isn't a problem - check the site daily! Not having daily in the name tempts less frequent updating and traffic.

    If I ever have to explain to people WTF, I just tell them straight up that it's an acronym that stems from a vulgar expression, but its meaning and seriousness have changed throughout frequent usage on the internet.

    If anything, tell people that it stands for "Worse than Failure," which I have to admit is a pretty good reinterpretation of the acronym.
  • Casey 2007-02-24 19:59
    You pussy. Man the fuck up and change it back to the daily what the FUCK!
  • EnterUserNameHere 2007-02-24 20:24
    Jochen Ritzel:
    "IBM stands for Industrial Buisness Machines". :/


    WTF? Actually, it's "INTERNATIONAL Business Machines".

    ;)
  • Renan renan_s2 2007-02-24 20:25
    Cool.

    CAPTCHA: scooter.
  • Mitch 2007-02-24 20:29
    WTF!?! Now that is a WTF!

    Captha: what the fook!
  • Simetrical 2007-02-24 20:29
    Meh, personally I liked the old name, but I don't really care. I suspect most of your readership is the same (as far as not caring goes, anyway).

    swapo:
    I recently had an similar situation about what WTF stands for. I like the new Backronym, keep up the good work (and I should send in some WTFs myself...).

    fennec:
    also, shouldn't that be website.renameTo() instead of Website.RenameTo()?

    Not if you're from the .NET-World as Alex obviously is, they use some really WTFish naming conventions over there ;-)


    As far as I'm aware, though, the curly quotes will still probably cause compilation problems. :P
  • EnterUserNameHere 2007-02-24 20:30
    I just have to add this little gem:

    http://files.kavefish.com/audio/usage_of_the_f-word.wav

    Hope it works.
  • Nik 2007-02-24 20:31
    I've been following these for about a year now, and I've recruited a readers.

    I can safely say that the main reason they didn't file TheDailyWTF.com under "just another funny-wannabe' blog" is because the name was pretty intriguing. Then after reading one of the articles they all thought it fit perfectly. It did. The new one's silly.

    Alex, if your grandma' is really the reason for changing the name of one of TheDailyWTF...I don't exactly know what to say. The new name is a WTF as per both the old and new definitions.
  • daBowmore 2007-02-24 20:32
    Long time reader, first time poster.

    I also had an urgent need to bring out my feelings about this new name thing. The daily WTF really is a brand and a concept. People who find wtf vulgar should maybe loose it up a bit. The new name is literally worse than failure. Sorry, it just is...

    I don't know what the real reason for the change was, but the grandma story sounds extremely lame -- even too lame to be true?

    One more vote for restoring the old name!
  • Eirik 2007-02-24 20:44
    This is so stupid. WTF means what it always meant. I'll stop reading here now.
  • Justin 2007-02-24 20:57
    I think my calendar must be slow. It's only showing the 24th of February, and obviously it's April 1st.

    It's not?

    Well...then fuck. I don't actually dislike the new name, but I think the old name was better for what this site is about, and the branding is well worth keeping, and, honestly, you can just tell your grandmother it stands for "worse than failure" if "fuck" is not a word you can say in her presence.

    Tell you what: I'm going to keep going to thedailywtf.com. I'm going to keep calling it the daily wtf. The day that url quits working is the day I quit reading. You don't care about my readership, since I'm only one random person, but that's the only vote I've got.

    Cheers!
  • rodoke 2007-02-24 21:01
    Heh, smart quotes strike again.
  • Anonymous 2007-02-24 21:03
    I've unsubscribed from my RSS reader. I'm not sure which is more lame: the new name or your reasons behind it. Goodbye.
  • The Daily WTL(ame) 2007-02-24 21:05
    laaaaaaaammmmmmeeeeeeeee
  • Paul Holt 2007-02-24 21:10
    catch (DisgustAtNameChangeException dance) {
    ...
    }
  • DrPizza 2007-02-24 22:07
    Nice job jumping the shark.

    What the fuck is "worse than failure" about a stupid piece of code? Fuck nothing, that's what. The new name is totally idiotic. What a heap of shit.

    This software sucks the sweat from my taint too.
  • bat 2007-02-24 22:12
    Dead loss. You should just accept the truth and change it to thedailyjts.com, where jts = Jumped The Shark.

    Sad.
  • Pawel 2007-02-24 22:17
    The new name is the "worse than failure". I am so disappointed about this.
  • mabinogi 2007-02-24 22:20
    wow, I always suspected this site was mostly frequented by whiny teenagers. Now I know for sure.
  • no name 2007-02-24 22:25
    Another vote for lame.

    I'll still continue to read the site, but I'll continue thinking of it as the dailyWTF and it's definitely moved down a notch or two in my list of must read sites.
  • Joseph Newton 2007-02-24 22:26
    Hi Alex,

    Don't let the perpetually juvenile whiners get you down. I think you are on the right track re; vulgarity, but I would suggest that there are better expansions of the acronym that do not require profanity. I actually had already thought a few up since I started reading about a week ago.

    They all fit the pattern What T* Folly.
    T*:
    Terrible
    Tremendous
    Ticklesome
    Total
    ...

    The advantage I see is that Folly is just more lyrical than failure. It has classical roots, and is relatively non-judgemental.

    As to the ranting and cursing about the word "fuck", the best I can do is quote my late father:

    "Profanity is the sound of an inarticualte person seekng to express himself forcefully."

    The truly creative, and articulate, person can almost always find a better, more expressive word to use than the guttueral and troglodytic expression to which so many posters on this thread seem so attached.

    One practical issue that I do have is that I have had some trouble replying on pre-existing threads. Nothing whatsoever happens when I click the 'Submit" button. I am now wondering if there is a relationship between this problem and the change in domain name. I'd appreciate it if you could look into this.


  • plazmo 2007-02-24 22:27
    This is a bad move imo, it kind of disappoints me. The name of this site is what defined this site. The name is seriously the only reason i came back. Unlike other similar sites, I could only remember the name of this site because the name was unique.
    But if its a _must_ to change the name. At least come up with something better. I understand that you want to keep the 'wtf' acronym but it doesn't make sense and has a confusing meaning.
  • anonymoustroll 2007-02-24 22:41
    Did I ever tell you about the time that I got fired for using "WTF" (the abbreviation) in a company e-mail to my boss...

    ..and I'm sure that we can all agree that RTFM abbreviates the word "Fine" as well.

    Seriously though... four letter words and "vulgarities" are part of our language. I've always insisted those who would excise them from my speech or those who are unwilling to hear them are, at some fundamental level, immature and hypocritical. All you have to do is look at the comments on any code over 10,000 lines in size and you *WILL* find this type of language in use. I'm particularly curious about how honest people are in their assessment of Open Source code through the use of four (and more) letter words. I suspect that there's maybe 10x more usage when your audience accepts the language without judgement and when there's an absence of "fear" (personally, I'm not sure which is more vulgar: using fear to limit another person's speech or being intellectually dishonest enough to deny the distinct possibility that a four letter word just might be the most apropos lexicon to describe what is happening in a particular piece of code)

    ...but anyway, congratulations on finding your new crutch and caving to mediocre (yes, every person of excellence I have ever known in my life uses "vulgar" language... some even in their public writing).

    Watch out SNAFU and FUBAR, you're next.
  • Adam 2007-02-24 22:51
  • Renji 2007-02-24 23:00
    You're going to the dark side, aren't you? Venture capitalists, IPO, the works.
  • Mike 2007-02-24 23:04
    The new site name is really quite lame. I appreciate that the 'WTF' acronym could be offensive, but this backronym is even worse. Worse than failure? What does that mean! As long as someone keeps the the dailywtf.com domain, I'll be happy.
  • pbounaix 2007-02-24 23:10
    alex, i love your site, especially the new design, but the new name is just plain weak.

    i guess you'd have issue when steven colbert talks about "balls" because of the inappropriateness?

    part of the appeal was that this was slightly risqué. i dont know- you still have "Submit Your WTF" so are you trying to make that stand for worse than failure? thats a wtf in and of itself.

    very lame. as if grandma didnt know what fuck was. cmon now. since when have the standards for the site been tailored to grandmothers?!

    ps- people voting against the new name arent all whiny kids. some of us actually liked the fact that this was an off color area to share our stories in IT. i suppose its a good name- the change is definitely worse than failure
  • Pissed Off 2007-02-24 23:41
    I really have to say that this site has been quite disapointing lately. The recent changes to the main page is ugly, and on both my linux machine loads slowly and clunky. The storys seem to suck these days. Now this....I think it is time for the daily WHAT THE FUCK?! to be removed from my bookmarks.

    See ya Daily WTF.
  • J 2007-02-24 23:45
    Some people are expressing reasonable disagreement, but a lot of others are absolutely retarded.

    First, this is not censorship. Censorship is when an official body such as the government comes in and declares that you aren't allowed to say or write certain things. This is a voluntary move away from what the site owner considers to be a vulgarity.

    Second, why the crap would you quit reading the site? The content is the same, so unless you spent most of your time on the website laughing at the name, it won't make a darn bit of difference. It's like firing an employee because he decided to break his swearing habit.

  • Wow. Just wow. 2007-02-24 23:55
    But a lot of people in the “real world” don’t quite share that sentiment. Especially my relatives:


    At the risk of sounding like a "whiney kid," this is why people are up in arms about the name change.

    At TheDailyWTF, you have built a wonderful community of people who fight the good fight against every day against clueless managers, stupid users, and both coworker and self-inflicted wounds. The site is not only good for a laugh, it is good for a morale boost for any IT worker who has had to deal with this on a daily basis. Seeing another person's "curious perversion" experience makes our own seem better. Yes, in a sense, you have done a valuable therapy service to the IT community.

    And with this name change, much of that therapy will be gone. WTF is a perfect shorthand for the moment we all see every day. It is an expression of the community, for the community, and in use every day by the community. It is ours. "Worse Than Failure" is theirs -- it is for others, an attempt to impose a name from the outside on a decidedly insider phenomenon. Instead of MySpace, it is Walmart's MySpace clone.

    At the end of the day, it is about the content, and if Alex continues his outstanding work serving up good "curious perversions" under any name, I will continue to read and to be a fan. But I hope you can at least see why this name change has IT people leery of the future direction.
  • WhatTheFucker 2007-02-24 23:57
    Hey, thanks for selling out. Last. Time. I. Visit
  • Carlos van Pragh 2007-02-24 23:59
    I have to say -- whether it's daily or not, "WTF" captures the spirit of what you post (even the parts you seem to think it doesn't).

    And "Worse than failure" is *horrible*. It sounds like something dreamt up by a committee.

    If you have to drop "WTF" (and I don't see why you do), please, please pick something else.
  • Big Mike 2007-02-25 00:27
    I love the new name. And I agree with the reasons behind the change. Way to go!
  • Curmudgeon 2007-02-25 00:48
    The "daily" part of "Daily WTF" was important. The quantity has increased and quality decreased. What started as simple daily snippets of perverse code (with just enough explanation to provide context), has turned into long wordy tales. They may be amusing, but they suck up too much time to be reading several per day. Especially when some of them only tenuously relate to IT.

    Perhaps this is to appeal to a wider audience than just coders. It probably has increased readership. Nevertheless it's sad.

    This is not to say the new series' (or new writers) are all bad. The quality drop is across the board.
  • I like considerate people 2007-02-25 00:57
    Censoring FAILS!:
    Basically, I am completly against censoring, and as this is censoring I am against this website, and as I am against this website I will stop reading this website as regulary as I did before.


    I think you should study the word censoring. Censoring is when someone removes certain speech deemed inappropriate by some certain ideology. No one is censoring him, nor pressuring him to censor himself. He's making changes for a variety of reasons. One of those reasons is consideration of others, an idea that is miles away from censorship.
  • fucking kids 2007-02-25 00:58
    You want to know what's worse than failure? You want swearing? Have at this: The problem is you chicken-shit kids. BOO HOO THE SITE CHANGED IT'S NAME, THE NAME IS THE ONLY REASON I CAME HERE, I'M NOT VISITING ANYMORE.

    Jesus Fucking Christ you people are whiny fucking children. The dumbfucks around you that didn't get Alex didn't change it because of his grandmother are even dumber, and should really be brought out back and put down.

    I hope the majority of you rot in hell.
  • Some Random Guy 2007-02-25 01:34

    I am yet another long time reader and first time poster who feels the need to make a comment on this event. But for me, the event is not the so much the change of name (I care only slightly), but something more significant.

    Once, this board was a obviously done for the sole purpose of ammusment. There was no intent to capitalize on it, and the aesthetic was based on the aribitray personal choices of one person. This gave it Quality. Quality comes from a clear vision, and bold choices from the right person.

    Then the move was made to capitalize on the site. The introduction of the advertising, the non-WTF jobs, etc. Now unlike many people, I don't believe that all attempts to make money are evil. I myself am a capitalist and entrepreneur. I welcomed these changes for the most part. I was slightly concerned that sponsers might begin to impact the content of the site, etc, but things remained mostly as they were. There was some shift in the aesthetic, and it had a hint of "caring too much about other people's opinions", but I tried to write it off as a simple and natural change on Alex's part.

    However, this latest change, being significantly incompatiable with the prior aesthetic, seems to strongly indicate that Alex has lost his nerve. He has lost the ability to make bold personal choices, instead, he considers first how others will react to them. He brings up the example of his grandmother, but I think the story is made up, Grandma is just a stand in for 'the other', 'everyman', 'the majority', name them what you will. And Alex has now put them above his personal aesthetic, which really is "worse than failure". It is the descent into mediocrity. It is the end of the "great", and the enshrining of the "not terrible". The way of the committee.

    It didn't have to go this way. Many individuals can make the transition from hobby to occupation and keep their faith in the original goals. Take a look at Penny Arcade for a clear example. But it has gone this way. Even if Alex changes the name back, it will most likely be due to the pressure of his readers. Perhaps with great force of will, Alex could regain his nerve, but it's unlikely. So much so that I probably wont bother to check this site again. It's certainly leaving my bookmarks. Not really because the name changed, but because it's been getting more lame for a while now. Until this point, I thought it might be temporary, transitional, just someone trying to find their center. But now I'm pretty sure it's getting lame because Alex is not trying to find his center, but the center of everyone else. And I've seen the middle. It's boring and I hate it.

    Someday in a few weeks I'll try the old URL because I'm bored, and the because the name has always been easy to remember. Maybe it'll be good, if so, I might keep coming back. Or maybe it will be lame, in which case I'll engage in some exponential backoff, and try again in a month or two. Eventually, I'll forget.

    Thanks for the good times while they lasted.



  • thedailywtfisanawesomenameandbrand 2007-02-25 01:42
    Ads - OK
    Occasional self promotion - OK
    Bean bag girl - Totally hot
    Name change - Fucking lame
  • rawsteak 2007-02-25 01:45
    i think "worse than failure" makes sense... if a person can't code something, they "fail" whereas one of the things this website shows are when codes do "worse than failure" like ignoring programming conventions entirely to accomplish something incorrectly
  • Kinglink 2007-02-25 01:52
    I decided to read a few more comments and it seems most people hate the name for one reason. It sounds like business jargon 6 people in a room who only use computers for email dreamed up. IF you want to call it the Daily WTF, and then tell you're grandma it's "Worse than failure" maybe I can back that one. It has become pretty apparent by the commentors that the new name just doesn't work.
  • Soro 2007-02-25 01:52
    Admit it, having "fuck" in the name was not business friendly. So when you sold out you had to change it.
  • bullseye 2007-02-25 01:53
    Who cares what the name of the site is? I don't read the submissions just so I can brag to my buddies that I read a forum with an "edgy" URL. I also suspect Alex couldn't give a crap if people threaten to unsubscribe from the RSS feeds, or whatever other dire threats are being made. I mean, does that mean you won't pay your monthly subscription fee? Personally, if this change loses a few readers, I'll be ecstatic. I miss the days when the average IQ of posters here was higher.

    At any rate, I suspect the complaining was to be expected. You should have posted the article on a school night...

  • Name 2007-02-25 02:01
    This is censorship at its finest. F in WTF means "fuck" not fudge, failure, fridge or fool. This web site is not dedicated to our granmas, we can say "fuck" here and that's why I liked it here. I don't know if I'll stay any longer, the new name is really so stupid.
  • Ann 2007-02-25 02:18
    Unlike some other people, I don't intend to stop reading because of the name change (if the content changed, and I didn't like the content, I would stop reading). However, I count myself in the company of people who like the old name better.
  • Otto 2007-02-25 02:38
    Crap name. Really, really, crap.

    I will not be changing my bookmarks to the new domain. I will also continue to give thedailywtf.com out as the domain to people when it comes up (and it has, many times).

    And if the old URL stops redirecting, I will stop reading. Why? Because there's no way I'm going to remember a crap name like this.
  • my eyes have seen the glory of the trampling at the zoo 2007-02-25 02:43
    new name sucks. that is all.
  • Nick H 2007-02-25 03:18
    Read almost every article on this site for the past 18 months. This is the frist time I've felt compelled to post.

    Bad decision with the new name. This site will only ever appeal to software developers. 95% of them will not be offended by 'WTF' or what it really stands for.

    DailyWTF is a brand that you've spent time building, destroying that and starting again is madness.

    If you really wont go back to the old name, someone posted a good idea... Have a 'clean' site and a 'DailyWTF' site.

    I often IM or email my developer friend and say "There's a good daily WTF today". Now I have to say "Look at 'worsethanfailure.com'"

    Lame lame lame.
  • xtremezone 2007-02-25 03:21
    When I first saw the new name I actually thought I was at the wrong site (you know how many popular sites have clones with very similar names to catch people that miss a key-stroke). Nope, worse. Change...

    Can't you hear the site caling?

    "Don't try to fix me, I'm not broken... Hello?"

    Soro:


    Admit it, having "fuck" in the name was not business friendly. So when you sold out you had to change it.


    WTFs are not business-friendly either and yet...

    Otto:


    I will also continue to give thedailywtf.com out as the domain to people when it comes up (and it has, many times).



    I'll second that: I can't speak for the future, but for now it seems it will always be TheDailyWTF to me.

    I don't like the new name. Does grandma read the site? Than what does it matter?!

    If your family doesn't appreciate this site than don't tell them about it in detail. @#$%, lie if you have to! Hell, the Internet porn industry is thriving... Don't you think those developers have grandmothers!? I doubt they have the conversation:

    “So do you still write that website ... oh, what did you call it? MILF..?”

    “MILF Doggy-Style...”

    “Ah yes. I can never remember, what does M-I-L-F stand for again?”

    “Well, Grandma,...” [runs away!]

    Not all WTFs are worse than failure. Sometimes they work, but incredibly inefficiently, etc... But they >>work<<. What's better: 3 months of work for a bad solution that works or a complete and utter failure with no deliverable? (Even though we all hate maintaining WTF projects and it would be great to just start over and do it right).

    I don't know. The name seems less catchy and less witty.

    When I first heard "TheDailyWTF" I was immediately interested... Not just in the article, but in the SITE. I'm not sure "Worse Than Failure" will have that same effect.

    But again, I don't hate the new name. Maybe it'll grow on me.
  • anony-mouse 2007-02-25 03:24
    first the good content, now the name. what will this site lose next? oh yeah, popularity
  • anonymous 2007-02-25 03:56
    The obvious reason to change the name was that selling non-xxx advertising and job postings on a site that has the word "fuck" in it isn't easy in the US. Guess money rules, huh.

    Without the name the sites is only half as funny, and grandma won't read it anyway, nor is this a "family" site. Stupid move. Content was lacking anyway, so site removed from bookmarks and good riddance. kthxbye.


  • Tom 2007-02-25 04:35
    You are a pussy!
  • ComputerForumUser 2007-02-25 04:47
    I would've prefered 'TheDailyWhat?". Worse Than Failure sounds too harsh. The real WTF is that they didn't just write:
    10 read from $s.mag = 8*"TheDailyWTF" print; next i;
  • nimai 2007-02-25 04:56
    Don't kill the brand. New name is worse than fuck.
    Website.RenameTo("The Daily WTF")
  • Changed Name 2007-02-25 05:01
    john q public:
    Stupid to change the name. dumb move.

    Aye!
  • Mikademus 2007-02-25 05:05
    It seems this site collects WTFs of its own, now:

    -The name (sucks as a brand; psychologically bad)
    -The forum software (sucks)
    -Granny marketing (WFT?!)
    -Alex himself in certain regards (myopic and fanatical resistance to open source; opposition to anything non-corporate, non-Windows; and to open the political can of worms, conservative/republican worldview; etc)

    Thus, as Zach said, "at least symmetry".
  • Someone Fluffy 2007-02-25 05:05
    With the new name abbreviating to "WTF", it is not too bad. The W, T and F could do with a bit of emphasis, though; making them a somewhat larger size should do it. The letters combined with the smilie face would then make the real intention bloody apparent.
  • Obfuscator 2007-02-25 05:31
    WebsiteManager.Undo();
  • maht 2007-02-25 05:48
    at least you didn't call it "Worse Then Failure"

  • ugh 2007-02-25 06:16
    long time reader, first time poster.

    this is incredibly lame. wtf is going on here lately?
  • Sigh 2007-02-25 06:35
    Oh jolly good. More US-centric censorship. Violence is okay, but sex and swearing? Oh no, we can't have any of that.

    Quick, better rename a site that was memorable to its target audience to one that is an expansion of an acronym that ISN'T EVEN THE CORRECT EXPANSION! It's bad enough that we have to contend with so many acronyms, but making up new meanings for old acronyms is a wtf in itself.

    Naughty, naughty Alex.
  • giskard 2007-02-25 06:40
    WTF? Why throw away a perfectly good brand and replace it with a creation that sounds like the outcome from a tedious management comittee?

    Then again, ironically the name change perfectly encapsulates what this site is all about, as my first reaction the the article was: What the fuck!

    Though it has to be said that it was the first genuine WTF in a while as I thought the overall quality of the submissions had been going down.
  • Dominik 2007-02-25 06:44
    What the fuck?
    That's like Microsoft changing their company name to Miniware??!
  • jon 2007-02-25 06:54
    I don't mind the name change but the reason was incredibly gay. so typically american to be afraid of swear words :D silly silly...

    you get -300 respect from me. keep up the good WTF-posting thou
  • JDS 2007-02-25 07:18
    You wanted a more appropriate name for this site?

    I can't believe you didn't go with my suggestion of www.thedailyfloodofcaptchas.com

  • Jonny 2007-02-25 07:20
    Another long time reader, first time commenter here.

    I can't decide which is the bigger WTF - wilfully destroying a brand which was perfect for your target audience or the absurd self-censoring reasoning behind it.
  • JDS 2007-02-25 07:26
    May I just say on a more serious note that the name isn't that bad. I don't think it would have caught my attention as much as the last one, but it's not horrible.

    We'll probably get used to it in no time, like I had to get used to wrestling's WWF now being WWE. MAN I HATE THOSE PANDAS!!
  • Squid 2007-02-25 07:30
    Sorry Alex but I agree with the majority here. The new name IS lame. A sad day indeed.

    Website.RenameTo("Worse Than Failure").NOT!
  • Andrew 2007-02-25 07:30
    What The Frig? Where's The Fire?

  • Fortyseven 2007-02-25 07:41
    Fuck the people in the 'real world'. This site isn't FOR them, it's for the technical community.

    It may seem like a trivial move to some, but this is seriously disappointing.

    It's like when a raunchy comedian/actor becomes a parent and decides he wants to clean up his act, so he takes on family comedy fare.
  • coditza 2007-02-25 07:41
    This is sooo weak. If you had problems explaining WTF to anyone, why not change it from What The Fuck to Worse Than Failure. And keep the name of the site as it was.

    At least bring the old domain back up and tweak a bit the code for the site so when you get to the site from thedailywtf.com it shows that in the title.

    If you can't afford to pay for that domain too, just say so, and I bet $10 that you will gather enough money to pay that domain for a life. Same applies to the code I was talking about.

  • Richard Nixon 2007-02-25 08:00
    Alex,
    I am guessing that you won't care about this but I am going to post it and then that will be that.

    I am deleting this website from my bookmarks. I will never look at it again. I am going to outline the reasons to you, you may take this criticism as you see fit.

    Since 2005, the site has gotten worse and worse. Here are some of my quarrels.
    1) Moderation: for a time, you made available a script to let all users see what moderation was taking place. You stopped that. A moderated forum by secret moderators is not of interest to me. [Not to mention the fact that the moderators are still doing a piss poor job.]
    2) Long stories: I don't know why you made this shift but the long stories with no code are terrible. If this is truly the direction you want to take this site in, I would suggest that you either hire a writer or really work on your writing skills. They leave much to be desired.
    3) The data-backup blurb: you put this advertisement into one of your posts as though it were part of the story. I am fine with advertisements in the side panel. Placing ads in the text of the article as though it were part of the piece is just terrible. And I question the validity of the post itself. You received an ad for a data backup site. Did you then make up that story about data backup so that the story would fit the ad? Curious.
    4) Disregard for forum regulars.
    5) Arrogant attitude.

    Again, I don't expect you to change from the current road you are travelling down. I would suggest that I and others, who were regular members of this site, have left in numbers. If losing the people that supported your site from the beginning was part of your vision, then congratulations - you are on your way!

    Last post from me.

    sincerely,
    Richard Nixon
  • whiny wee bastard 2007-02-25 08:07
    This is weak. I am sad.
  • steven Bredenberg 2007-02-25 08:11
    This is really fucking lame. Is this site owned by a 12 year old girl?
  • steven 2007-02-25 08:11
    This is really fucking lame. Is this site owned by a 12 year old girl?
  • PetPeeve 2007-02-25 08:14
    Isn't it easier just to keep everything the same and just change only the official name to "The Daily "Worse Than Faillure".

    The whole WTF hasn't been used in it's original meaning on this site anyway. (More used as another word for "horrible mistake") And
  • whiny wee bastard 2007-02-25 08:18
    I also wanted to add that BOFH would be ashamed.
  • Ned Flanders 2007-02-25 08:23
    You could always just say it stands for "what the fiddilydangdiggily"
  • NickH 2007-02-25 08:29
    but now the site just doesn't seem as interesting. I liked sending people to 'Daily WTF'. And no, it's not the same. WTF != Worse than failure.

    Oh well. Just sorta feels like a bait and switch now. Think I'll dump it from my daily surfing. Was getting a bit boring anyway.
  • Matt 2007-02-25 08:30
    Personally I don't like the new name much, but at the end of the day it's Alex's site and he can do what he wants to it.
  • Trix 2007-02-25 08:52
    I'm apparently in the minority here - someone who read the site despite, not because of, the name. So from my perspective, THANK YOU. Love the new name!
  • Bob 2007-02-25 08:58
    I respect your decision to rename the site. Even if the reasoning was (partly) based on trying to please everybody. I liked the phrase Daily WTF. It had something close to a brand identity that i liked. 'Worse than failure' might turn into the same acronym, but it's not WTF. Then again, if the site evolved into more than just WTF's of the information technology, it's only fitting that its name changed to suit its present form.

    Bottom line is i respect your decision, but i resent it. A friend told me to look it up, because it had stuff worth reading, and the name itself made me curious enough to actually do it. If that same dude had said "go to 'worsethanfailure.com', it's cool", i'd probably think it's something about crash tests gone bad.

    End Note: does this mean that 'the daily wtf' is available? Because i'd like to take it - it's a cool name, and my grandma is usually online on ymsg on her laptop anyway, so she's probably used to web acronyms :)

    Captcha: bathe. wtf? how did they know? Bastards! :D
  • UDontKnowJack 2007-02-25 09:00
    OK, come oooon!!! DailyWTF sounded just great! WorseThanFailure... please, what is this?!?
    I've visited your site daily and this change is absurd.
    The mere reason that this is my first comment should mean something - you really dissapointed me!
  • Scourge 2007-02-25 09:01
    Fuck this new name
  • VGR 2007-02-25 09:11
    I can understand the motivation behind the name change.

    This site really is an impressive and useful accomplishment. Alex should be proud of it.

    But it's hard to flaunt something, or list it on your own résumé, when it has the word "fuck" in its name, even implicitly.

    However, I directly disagree with this statement:
    That said, there were a few reasons that I wanted to rename the site, perhaps the biggest being that “Daily” and “What The F*” don’t quite describe it anymore.


    That's utterly wrong. Long before I found this site, and many times since having found it, I have been looking at someone else's clearly novice code, in a commercial product, and I have muttered, "What... the... fuck?" And you know what, I even make a face that's very similar to that red circle-guy at the top of the page. And I've seen other people make that face when looking at legacy code.

    PetPeeve:
    Isn't it easier just to keep everything the same and just change only the official name to "The Daily "Worse Than Failure".

    Exactly what should have been done. No one tried to make a replacement for RTFM; they just found a gentler expansion of it. If you want to describe the site to your grandmother, just say, "Oh, it stands for `Worse Than Failure.'" Heck, that's downright funny.

    It should be pointed out that "worse than failure" is not descriptive. Heck, it's utterly obfuscatory. It'd not even a tenth as memorable as "thedailywtf.com" is, which is important if you want to have repeat visitors.

    If you really want a less vulgar name, and since you're obviously willing to move to a whole new domain anyway, consider some of these:

    The Daily DGI ("don't get it")
    The Daily ITI ("IT idiocy" or "IT injustice")
    The Daily HTEW ("how'd that ever work")
    The Daily PFN ("paid for nothing")
    The Daily Unprofessional

    (I hereby place all of the above names in the public domain. Go wild with 'em.)
  • Jackal von ÖRF 2007-02-25 09:15
    IMO the new name is in itself worse than failure. My recommendation for a compromise is to keep both the old and new domain working, so that depending on the domain used, the site would have a different title but the same content. This way the "grandmas" could use the new address, and others the old address.
  • Matt V 2007-02-25 09:23
    I didn't put worsethanfailure on my Google homepage, I put thedailyWTF there. So when I woke up to this impostor, I immediately removed it.

    You want to cater to the clue-deprived masses, fine - but the internet's too big to waste time with weak-ass, pussy sell-outs.

    Send up a signal when you grow a new pair.

    (I wonder if theoccasionalWTF.com is taken?)
  • Jackal von ÖRF 2007-02-25 09:27
    Alex, could make the front page work without JavaScript? The WTF is this:

    <script type="text/javascript">
    function setDisp(disp)
    {
    var exp = new Date();
    exp.setDate(exp.getDate()+365);
    document.cookie =
    "HPDISPALL=" + (disp?"Y":"N") +
    ";expires=" + exp.toGMTString();
    window.location = '/';
    }
    </script>

    ...

    <script type="text/javascript">
    if (document.cookie)
    {
    document.write('Display: ');
    if (true)
    {
    document.write('<b>Full Article</b> | <a href="JavaScript:setDisp(false)">Summary</a>');
    }
    else
    {
    document.write('<a href="JavaScript:setDisp(true)">Full Article</a> | <b>Summary</b>');
    }
    }
    else
    {
    document.write("Tip: Enable Cookies to toggle full article text");
    }
    </script>

    <noscript>
    Tip: Enable JavaScript &amp; Cookies to toggle full article text
    </noscript>


    All of this should be done server side, so that seeing the full articles on the front page would not require JavaScript nor even cookies.

    The solution is to have links such as <a href="CurrentPage.aspx?full=1">Full Article</a> which would set the cookie and show full articles. This way enabling JavaScript would not be required for all NoScript users. Also, this solution would not even require cookies, if the "?full=1" parameter would be kept on the address line after clicking the link (so no redirects for "cleaning up" the URL).
  • MrHen 2007-02-25 09:38
    While I am not surprised that people are bitching about the new name, my opinion is that they all need to grow up. I enjoyed the old name, but I completely understand the switch and think it is cool.
  • gremlin 2007-02-25 10:13
    I just want to add my vote: I think the rename is pretty lame, but the excuse actually made me go WTF? The name was part of the identity of the site, it's really dumb to just throw it away. At the very least you should keep the old name up and change the title depending on the domain.
    I've removed the site from my RSS feeds - not just because of this - I was starting to get a bit bored with it anyway, this is just the straw that broke the camel's back. I'll probably come back and have a look from time to time, but not daily like before, and I doubt I'll remember the new name, so I hope the old one stays up for a while.
  • Wildpeaks 2007-02-25 10:24
    EnterUserNameHere:
    The REAL WTF is that the intent of renaming the site has had the opposite effect and actually resulted in MORE of the F-word!


    Seeing the current title, if I was a first-time reader, it would tend to make me think that TDWTF *is* the one that is worse than failure... (a WTF in itself)


    wgh:
    Man, this is a sad day. I _really_ like the old name so much better.

    Yup me too :-|

    CAPTCHA: ewww, indeed
  • barbara 2007-02-25 10:30
    ... but it's not funny anymore ...

    bad idea, imho - I predict that you won't draw in nearly as many new readers after this
  • WIldpeaks 2007-02-25 10:37
    Otherwise, you can change the 2mail title" to somting like "IT perversions" (or else) and keep daily WTF as subtitle, maybe with bad eyes your grandma can't see it ;-)
  • Robb 2007-02-25 10:40
    I have really enjoyed this site over the years, well, year. I must say that I found the forking off of the code snippets to the CSOD a bit disheartening - code was an important part of so many good WTF's.

    Alex, you could have told your grandmother it stands for "What the frak/freak/fudge. The old title was *the perfect name* for this blog. The new name, well, let's just say that it describes itself (the name, not the blog) very, very accurately :-(

    So it with a bit of sadness that I now unsubscribe from this once-treasured RSS feed. Farewell and goodnight.
  • Ahnfelt 2007-02-25 10:47
    J:
    First, this is not censorship. Censorship is when an official body such as the government comes in and declares that you aren't allowed to say or write certain things. This is a voluntary move away from what the site owner considers to be a vulgarity.


    It's called self-censorship. The reasons for the name change suggests an acceptance of this practice. Who can approve of that?

    Besides, I liked the old name because 'wtf' is, for me, exactly describing the kind of curiosity and annoyance that fills my mind when finding this kind of code.

    The new name is very tame (and as someone noted, more fitting for an emo band), and doesn't sum up the contents of the site.

    I don't know if it'll make me visit the site less frequently; but it's quite probable that I won't be recruiting any new readers.
  • Geoff 2007-02-25 10:47
    [...] "yeah, I still write Worse Than Failure."

    WTF? Such self-deprecation!

    I'd have written "yeah, I still write 'Worse Than Failure'."
    ;)
  • Moose 2007-02-25 10:48
    I was on an interview once and was asked, "what sites do you frequent". Immediately out of my mouth comes, "thedailywtf"!!! Awkwardness ensued, but I recovered nicely. I think the rename is a good thing.

  • jud 2007-02-25 11:05
    whiny wee bastard:
    I also wanted to add that BOFH would be ashamed.


    Second that.
  • unlimitedbullshit 2007-02-25 11:08
    as the owner of the unlimitedbullshit domain I have to simply say WTF..

    If I had other ideas kicking around I would get other domains, not change one that already worked
  • jud 2007-02-25 11:17
    unlimitedbullshit:
    as the owner of the unlimitedbullshit domain

    will you be carrying wtfs?
  • Simon 2007-02-25 11:24
    What the FUCK? Are you kidding us? This is going downhill, man.

    I'm deleting you from my bookmark list right now.
  • Donald Trump 2007-02-25 11:36
    You're fired.
  • Hmm 2007-02-25 11:36
    The new name *is* worse than failure. The other wtf thing was waaaaay better...

    PS: Wtf, this CAPTCHA software is cool - "slashdot" !!!
  • Simon 2007-02-25 11:39
    thedailywtfisanawesomenameandbrand:
    Ads - OK
    Occasional self promotion - OK
    Bean bag girl - Totally hot
    Name change - Fucking lame
    100% ACK
  • pinkduck 2007-02-25 11:46
    I think the new name is worse. Psychologically just having the words "worse" and "failure" in the URL is a very bad thing.

    I would like to see http://thedailywtf.com/ still load the site, but for it to detect the hostname used and customise the branding accordingly.

    Don't underestimate the power of TheDailyWTF brand, and remember who your core audience is (or were).
  • John Robo 2007-02-25 11:49
    FUCK YOU!
  • Finn 2007-02-25 11:53
    Also posting for the very first time - and only to second "wtf"'s opinion on the first page:

    "When I used to tell a friend about this site, they'd get a kick out of the name and that alone would make them want to check it out."

    Sums my experience up perfectly.

    Goodbye, TDWTF.
    Finn.
  • Daniel Soderberg 2007-02-25 11:59
    First time poster.

    Last time poster.

    I won't be back.

  • rob enderle 2007-02-25 12:02
    So you renamed it so your grandma wont be embarassed?

    What next? Are you gonna remove nekkid women as well?
    Maybe granny likes bald clams.\

    Oh wait,...I was thinking of wtfpeople.com.

    No titties here? Never mind.
  • eyrieowl 2007-02-25 12:18
    not that it matters, clearly, but...tres lame. the old name so much more perfectly captured the sentiments we feel when we see ridiculous code. i have *never* *ever* said, "omg this code is worse than failure!" i'd expect to be immediately laughed at if i did. but, "what the fuck is up with this code? it's totally fucked up!" that's what we say, and i thought you knew that....
  • pffft 2007-02-25 12:27
    the only reason you are changing the name liar is because you've become too big for your britches, and are hoping if you kiss enough ass you will find a wider audience. It just means you will tone down the site to appease the most people (and turn the website to utter shit, like all money grubbing bitches.
  • Kuci 2007-02-25 12:32
    Nik:
    I've been following these for about a year now, and I've recruited a readers.

    I can safely say that the main reason they didn't file TheDailyWTF.com under "just another funny-wannabe' blog" is because the name was pretty intriguing. Then after reading one of the articles they all thought it fit perfectly. It did. The new one's silly.


    Agreed! Everyone I've shown this site to immediately had the reaction: "the daily wtf? that's hilarious" and most, just because of that, gave it a shot and still read it.
  • DaveE1 2007-02-25 12:37
    Alex, I think the change sucks. thedailyWTF is perfect and it is not a vulgarity. It is an acronym. It can stand for many things. It could stand for "what's this for?" or "what the frig" or "worse than failure" or whatever you want it to stand for. Admittedly, in most people's minds, it stands for "what the f**k" but each person's definition is determined by themselves. I like it because it is a bit ambiguous but obvious at the same time.

    Also, the acronym "wtf" is perfect for programmers. Especially when you are trying to fix someone else's busted code.

    Considering the workplace, I think that profanity is acceptable as long as it is used sparingly and in appropriate situations, ESPECIALLY when used in a acronyms such as NFG ("no f***ing good").

    Couldn't you just leave it as thedailyWTF and then on the "about" page note that the acronym stands for "worse than failure?" Then we could all just think of it as sarcasm, kinda like when Naughty by Nature said the OPP stood for "Other people's property" but we all knew what it really stood for.

    Changing the name is a weak move.
  • modelnine 2007-02-25 12:52
    DaveE1:
    Changing the name is a weak move.


    Couldn't agree more. You'll basically have to decide at some point what the target audience for your site is going to be, and by changing the name, you've just alienated a large part of the "hardcore" regulars, who've come to respect you because of the name, not despite it.

    I personally don't care much about the name change, but "recruiting" new ("hardcore") regulars from the industry to read worsethanfailure.com is, as others have already said, going to be a largely futile task, because the name doesn't cater to them anymore. Neither does it cater to me, and as others have said, I'm going to keep calling it The Daily WTF, no matter what happens here.

    Anyway, I'll be following whether this is just the latest move in a general downward trend of this blog (which I've noticed from mid of last year already). That'll be the point when I'll decide to drop reading this blog, or not.
  • Quicksilver 2007-02-25 12:56
    oh please please name it back...

    whats so bad about wtf? your granny has brought some cildren to the world in her life ... she knows what fuck means ...
    where is the problem with it? its not a bad word...

    its a bit to early for bad april first jokes...
    and if you were a company this renameing announcement would have been presented on thedailywtf.com because it is so hillarious ... imagine Apple renameing itself because Jobs granny always thinks her son goes to the market for selling fruits..
  • Garo 2007-02-25 13:00
    I also don't like the name change.

    If you really dont like the word "fuck", then replace it with Frack, which I've started to use latelly.
  • Paul X 2007-02-25 13:05
    First of all the Daily WTF was a great, irreverent name.

    Secondly renaming it to Worst than Failure is along the same lines as spelling FUBAR FOOBAR. It's just wrong.

    Thirdly and finally Worse Than Failure is just a lame name, sorry, but it's rubbish.
  • Mio 2007-02-25 13:06
    swapo:
    I recently had an similar situation about what WTF stands for. I like the new Backronym, keep up the good work (and I should send in some WTFs myself...).

    fennec:
    also, shouldn't that be website.renameTo() instead of Website.RenameTo()?

    Not if you're from the .NET-World as Alex obviously is, they use some really WTFish naming conventions over there ;-)


    If he was really following .NET standards, this website should just expose a "Name" property. It should then be: Website.Name = "Worse Than Failure";
  • msgyrd 2007-02-25 13:09
    What the fuck happened to my DailyWTF? Fuck this change. I think you just torpedoed your readership. If thedailywtf.com quits redirecting, I won't be back.

    Captcha: ewww (that adequately describes this name change)
  • Raph 2007-02-25 13:34
    Well, if the name change is a WTF in itself, that means that it is a complete success ! The story folding into itself ! A mirroring WTF which makes us disappear in a puff of logic !

    I agree with those who say that the old name was part of the identity of the site. To the ones who decided to say goodbye: hey, fuck, were you here just because you liked having that name once a day on your screen, or was it for the contents ?

    Old-time readers will still be able to say "WTF", while the new ones will be happy to find a new meaning to the acronym made by "worse than failure".

    captcha: sanitarium. Still damn context-based !
  • Dave 2007-02-25 13:44
    Lame.
  • vlekk 2007-02-25 14:05
    Congrats on the name change. I think it shows class and discernment.

    --
    vlekk

  • Baldrin 2007-02-25 14:10
    "Worse than failure". Man that is so awesome! Next we should no allow people of color to post because some of our grandparents group up in a time when people of color had their own place to do their own thing. Because I really hate explaining to my grandpa that I read forums were people of different ethnicities can write uncensored opinions about people making stupid technical decisions.

    Seriously though. Grow a pair of nuts and change it back to What The Fuck.
  • micah 2007-02-25 14:12
    this is terrible. why even continue to use "WTF" when you are so upset by it's vulgar origins? replacement words/phrases said in the same context are just as vulgar and foul. "worse than failure" has lost the vote. Whiskey Tango Foxtrot FTW!!!!
  • OpBaI_who_lost_his_PW 2007-02-25 14:46
    "The real WTF is still the forum software."?

    No, you have to now write "Really, the forum software is still WTF."

    Just a simple syntactic change...
  • Micirio 2007-02-25 14:47
    I also don't like the new name.
  • rupert0 2007-02-25 15:01
    wtfuniversity.com would have been great...
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  • absolutegorickydotmd 2007-02-25 15:50
    I hope you make a lot of money selling the old domain. You have just begun the death phase of your website. Without "WTF" you have no product and no idea. My condolences.
  • Joseph Newton 2007-02-25 16:07
    Quicksilver:
    oh please please name it back...

    whats so bad about wtf? your granny has brought some cildren to the world in her life ... she knows what fuck means ...


    That doesn't necessarily follow. Of course, it all depends on the kind of people you associate with. Most of my women friends find the association of sex with that word quite offensive--it has connotations of male domination, violence, or, as in the case of the items posted here, contempt, disdain, or incoherent rage.

    I am not fond of the new title, either, though. It doesn't say much to me. Nevertheless, I think most of the posts on this thread are pretty immature. There is some substace in the arguments about branding, but attachment to a word that is utterly lacking in meaning is a pretty strong indication to me that the people posting such kvetches are not part of the intelligent target audience this site was originally intended to appeal to. Likewise the almost ubiquitous use of psuedonyms by those screaming most loudly--and accusing Alex of cowardice. Now that is a true WTF!

    [Captcha: quake--presumably what Alex should do before the wrath of the gutter crowd]
  • Me 2007-02-25 16:18
    Wow... you are *so* cool and mature. What a true provocateur and innovator! I wish I could be just like you!! NOT
  • Anon 2007-02-25 17:13
    pinkduck:
    Don't underestimate the power of TheDailyWTF brand, and remember who your core audience is (or were).

    If the core audience "was" dorks who get their panties in a twist over such a trivial detail then, well, I'm sure they'll find asomeone else to satisfy their special needs.

    And driving away idiots may raise the average IQ of the eyeballs, and thus improve response to advertisments as they can be targetted at people who can keep a job. ;)

    Although the whole "I'll never read this site again! This is my first post, just wanted you guys to know that you have to change so I'll come back even though I'll never find out if you did change so there's no point" thing does have a certain amusement value. It would be itneresting to know how many of those geniuses actually keep their promises - there always seem to be a lot of "that WTF was so bad that I'll never read this site again even though I've been reading since the very start" posts, and there's a finite number of people who can make that claim.
  • GooglePageRank-Adsense 2007-02-25 17:17
    What the FUCK?!?

    I doubt your pagerank will ever recover.

    Everyone who likes the old name start putting up lots of links to it, domain redirects are one of the biggest pagerank killers.

    I doubt your advertisers will appreciate that.

    (I see you're getting public service google ads now, that should be your first clue that something is badly wrong...)
  • brendan 2007-02-25 17:39
    I actually like the old name better, If I was accessing this site for the first time, I wouldn't even bother reading the articles as the site would be "Worse Than Failure".

    Why change something that doesn't need to be changed.
  • Me 2007-02-25 17:40
    wtf:
    When I used to tell a friend about this site, they'd get a kick out of the name and that alone would make them want to check it out. "Worse Than Failure" sounds like a shitty local emo band or something. Very disappointing.


    I concur.
  • phx 2007-02-25 17:57
    Why not go for:

    Granny/Boss/Priest: The Daily WTF? What does WTF stand for?

    You + Balls: "Worse Than Failure".


    Sweet Zombie Jesus Titty-Fucking Christ on a Unicycle - why do you have destroy a perfectly secret guilty pleasure of mine by making it all politically correct. We dont come here like its a legitimate news website.

    We skulk in here in the shadows between the shitty orders our superiors ruin our projects with to get a bit of a giggle over how it's not just us that have to bear this crap.
  • Hmmmmmm 2007-02-25 18:02
    Well, a sad bit of self-censorship. A big shame, the name was catchy.

    Putting the subtitle as "What the fark" would have done, for goodness sakes. Who reads this site and doesn't know what wtf means? honestly? Would this ever appear in any other capacity? If it was going to start appearing in Newspapers or on a big news site, then it might warrant a change (but still, isn't the column BoFH still a regular at The Register? that never got its name changed...).

    Shame you won't even keep the old domain or name in any capacity. Why it needed to be changed anyway is a big question that you didn't answer either - the other "sections" are still "wtf"'s, and why the name wouldn't fit a coding contest, I've no idea. Kinda loses the point of the name now.

    Oh well, you might as well do what you like with it - its all your content of course. At least your grandma can be provided a full "U" grade explaination now.
  • D 2007-02-25 18:05
    Joseph Newton:
    Quicksilver:
    oh please please name it back...

    whats so bad about wtf? your granny has brought some cildren to the world in her life ... she knows what fuck means ...


    That doesn't necessarily follow. Of course, it all depends on the kind of people you associate with. Most of my women friends find the association of sex with that word quite offensive--it has connotations of male domination, violence, or, as in the case of the items posted here, contempt, disdain, or incoherent rage.

    I am not fond of the new title, either, though. It doesn't say much to me. Nevertheless, I think most of the posts on this thread are pretty immature. There is some substace in the arguments about branding, but attachment to a word that is utterly lacking in meaning is a pretty strong indication to me that the people posting such kvetches are not part of the intelligent target audience this site was originally intended to appeal to. Likewise the almost ubiquitous use of psuedonyms by those screaming most loudly--and accusing Alex of cowardice. Now that is a true WTF!

    [Captcha: quake--presumably what Alex should do before the wrath of the gutter crowd]


    While your right in a lot of the posts are immature, they do express a valid concern that I'm not sure Alex has thought through. ANY time a company changes a brand, espically a well-loved cherished brand, there is the very real concern that they will alienate a good portion of their customers. If Alex is not able to retrieve his long term base of readers or find a new base of readers (for the WorseThenFailure site), then his blog is going to lanquish in obsurity with minimal readers. Much like a lot of blogs on the internet.

    While the profanity was not a "cherished" thing for me, it was what I was able to use to get other programmers to read the site. When I say "Visit the The Daily What The Fuck?, you'll love the code examples they put up", they would actually laugh and go to the site. Now I feel that if I say "Visit the Worse then Failure site. They have lots of code examples of bad code....." that I will get a luke-warm reception, and they may or may not go. I feel like a few posts already have said, I will probably still come, but I almost certainly won't be elicting anymore new readers. And will probably start looking else where for these type of blog entries.


    --D
  • Quicksilver 2007-02-25 18:17
    Joseph Newton:
    Quicksilver:
    oh please please name it back...

    whats so bad about wtf? your granny has brought some cildren to the world in her life ... she knows what fuck means ...


    That doesn't necessarily follow. Of course, it all depends on the kind of people you associate with. Most of my women friends find the association of sex with that word quite offensive--it has connotations of male domination, violence, or, as in the case of the items posted here, contempt, disdain, or incoherent rage.


    no naturally it doesn't follow (except in transmogrified logic)
    also the things you are interpreting in the word are very culture based ... for example in an american background fuck can be used for nearly everything (ie get the fucking bread out of the fridge! )... while in other countrys it may be only used for the sexual, term if ever..
    So please accept my view is diffrent than yours on that word..
    Also I have learned that a lot of elder people seem to have less problems with talking about sex as younger ones think they have .. often its rather the younger ones that are so inhibited.
    But that may also change from culture to culture...

    but what we are here is geek culture isn't it...
    when I read wtf I don't think about fuck or any other meaning ... the meaning of wtf has nothing to do with fuck
    its just the curiosity I see when I come to this place..

    more mature or not I don't care... worseThanFailure simply sounds bad ... its not sounding as round as thedailywtf
    besides I feel discriminated ... I am treated like a child that is not allowed to read "fuck"...
    cowardice or what ever no .. this renameing is imho simply childish and very uptight ...

    Movie recommendation for the Mormons: Orgazmo (makes you less uptight)
    Catcha: Atari .. works also


    also I don't think people will leave this site because of the renaming ... though I think names have power .. I don't wan't to thing of this site as worsethanfailure ... uncool and bad karma
  • Troy Mclure 2007-02-25 18:45
    Ahnfelt:
    J:
    First, this is not censorship. Censorship is when an official body such as the government comes in and declares that you aren't allowed to say or write certain things. This is a voluntary move away from what the site owner considers to be a vulgarity.


    It's called self-censorship. The reasons for the name change suggests an acceptance of this practice. Who can approve of that?

    Besides, I liked the old name because 'wtf' is, for me, exactly describing the kind of curiosity and annoyance that fills my mind when finding this kind of code.

    The new name is very tame (and as someone noted, more fitting for an emo band), and doesn't sum up the contents of the site.

    I don't know if it'll make me visit the site less frequently; but it's quite probable that I won't be recruiting any new readers.


    Dont be such a drama queen. Do you honestly visit the site b/c it had the word fuck in it or because you enjoy the content? Had they not made a thread about the name change I wouldnt have even noticed - thedailywtf.com forwards over to this new one.

    Seriously who gives a shit what its called?
  • Hotdog003 2007-02-25 19:10
    You'll need to register a new domain name, though.
  • Hotdog003 2007-02-25 19:10
    You'll need to register a new domain name, though.
  • michael 2007-02-25 19:15
    Is it just me but is this a bike shed argument to rival the fbsd sleep discussion. We have 4 pages of replies, and really in the grand scheme of things, who cares? do people really come here to read the url? how about the banner? personally i come to read the stories and they will still be here
  • Mr V. 2007-02-25 19:18
    Alex I guess that you won’t take note of my objections but here they are anyway…

    thedailywtf.com was a perfect name for the site, I remember reading the articles and thinking What The Fuck… not “this is Worse Than Failure”. And if you had an objection to the word Fuck in the name why not rename the site to thedailywhatthe.com and let the user insert the expletive of choice (e.g. heck, hell, fuck, frick, frack)

    worse than failure is so wrong on so many levels, the words worse and failure are off-putting to start with but you essentially keep the WTF anachronism which defeats the point of your censorship, that’s just plain daft dude… besides that I cant imagine anything worse than failure, and it doesn’t inspire confidence that there may be a chuckle at the end of it…

    I used to come here and was guaranteed a laugh if not at the article then at some of the comments, and I don’t mean a half hearted chuckle I mean a roll about the floor tears streaming down the face kind of laugh.

    Over the last year or so the articles have gone down hill and I must confess I don’t visit as much as I used to do, I guess that you have capitulated to the god of commercialism and Grandma…

    I do have one suggestion though: keep the “thedailywtf.com” name host it on another server reinstall the old crappy forum software and post articles like you did back in the beginning at least it was funny reading mangled posts bitching about the forum software, the isTrue() jokes and constant references to Paula…. Ah happy days…


    V
  • Fonzy 2007-02-25 19:18
    bullseye:
    I miss the days when the average IQ of posters here was higher.

    At any rate, I suspect the complaining was to be expected. You should have posted the article on a school night...



    Go Fuck Yourself
  • Fregas 2007-02-25 19:24
    Alex, Alex, Alex.

    I will terribly miss the Daily WTF.

  • Chris 2007-02-25 19:30
    WTF?
  • /Arthur 2007-02-25 19:31
    A other name grandma can approve:

    Way To Funny
  • Mr V. 2007-02-25 19:32
    michael:
    Is it just me but is this a bike shed argument to rival the fbsd sleep discussion. We have 4 pages of replies, and really in the grand scheme of things, who cares? do people really come here to read the url? how about the banner? personally i come to read the stories and they will still be here


    I think you missed the point you read the URL first then go to the site, a piss poor URL will put people off before they come for example which site would you go to:

    sexywomen.com
    Or
    fatuglyslags.com

  • hk0 2007-02-25 20:09
    I mean, what the shit? I say 'fuck' to my grandma all the time. We're motherfucking italians, it's 'F' this and 'F' that. I think this declawing of the name is a fucking travesty, that's what it is.

    And you know who to show the site to, by whether or not they'd be intimidated by the off-color name. Such filters are a good thing.

    Christ on crutches...
  • hk0 2007-02-25 20:14
    Sweet Zombie Jesus Titty-Fucking Christ on a Unicycle - why do you have destroy a perfectly secret guilty pleasure of mine by making it all politically correct. We dont come here like its a legitimate news website.

    We skulk in here in the shadows between the shitty orders our superiors ruin our projects with to get a bit of a giggle over how it's not just us that have to bear this crap.


    Motherfucking signed.

    And for the record, for all those self-righteous pricks who think the name-change will change the IQ-level or whatever of the site (good luck on that): I'll still come here. But I don't have to like it.

    Fuck you Alex. What the fuck, dude?
  • Prichard 2007-02-25 20:41
    There isn't a significant amount I can say that hasn't already been said. Perhaps something I utter will fill in a gap.

    I've been enjoying this site since sometime in 2004. It's on the front page of my rss feed page and has consistently been a hilarious take on the programming side of the world.

    I have watched as the site has increasing become commercialized, castrated and reborn as a figment of what it once was.

    This name change itself (albeit sucky) isn't the reason I will stop reading this site today, it is however truly the straw that broke the camel's back. The transformation into shit is complete, goodbye dailywtf, it was a good run.

  • anonymous 2007-02-25 20:46
    WTF?!?
  • anonym 2007-02-25 21:01
    Ryan:
    I think "The Daily WTF" was part of this site's success and an excellent brand. We'll see if Worse Than Failure captures new audience as well, I doubt it.


    Agree.
  • anonymous 2007-02-25 21:09
    More than 200 comments should be enought to make a point, I think.

    name a site "Worse than failure" ??? WHAT THE FUCK??????
    what was you thinking???? This name sucks, and 200 readers already agree.

    Forget this dumb idea, rollback all this thing, and make a mock site to show to your grandmother, (put some bunnies in there too, it makes no sense, but she will love such cute thing)
  • RexInTheCity 2007-02-25 21:24
    Now I can come here while I'm at school without looking over my shoulder.

    PS. My CAPTCHA Test says "gygay"
  • FTW 2007-02-25 21:26
    ...fi neve ,eman thgir eht ti llac llits nac ew ,lleW.

    This renaming is just back-assward.
  • Alex Brown 2007-02-25 21:26
    What the fuck?
  • savar 2007-02-25 21:28
    This site was doing so much better in the last 6 months. Code SOD and Error'd were great additions. Now you've taken a huge step back. I'm not even sure I can read this anymore...we'll see what happens on Monday when I'm bored at work.
  • bcat 2007-02-25 21:33
    Well, this is *really*, *really* dumb! Way to screw up a great site, guys.
  • Martin 2007-02-25 21:44
    As long as the stories don't change for the worse, I will come back.

    Nevertheless:
    Nice heart warming, probably made up story about the grandma. But why don't you keep the original WTF and just tell her it means worse than failure. It is not that she will check. Or maybe you think the name hurts you in your professional life as too many people judge it negatively before you have a chance to explain why the name is excellent to address a specfic demography of technical people.

    The old name is still better, IMHO. It condenses the web site perfectly, the political correct version is lame.

    My best wishes, nonetheless.

    Captcha: ewww. Indeed.
  • ZerroDefex 2007-02-25 21:53
    Ryan:
    When do people make business plans based on how their Grandma likes the name? I thought that the target market determined the name.


    Hell, even my grandma understands what WTF means.
  • anonymous 2007-02-25 22:06
    Martin:

    ... Or maybe you think the name hurts you in your professional life as too many people judge it negatively before you have a chance to explain why the name is excellent to address a specfic demography of technical people.


    Yes, may be he wants to put it in his curriculum vitae and this name doesn't look professional enough.....
  • jokeyxero 2007-02-25 22:19
    Awww, what the fuck?! ;oP
  • wizzard 2007-02-25 22:29
    lame. it doesn't even make any sense; it's like a crappy mnemonic device. either name it wtf or name it something completely different.
  • baddognotbarking 2007-02-25 22:45
    The new name is a crude reinterpretation of the WTF acronym. It may be politically correct but it reflects just a fraction of the site's content.
    The name change seems like a frantic move. You cannot except anyone who isn't accustomed to what WTF implies to read or understand a single article and there is no meaning to have a name liked by people who will never read a single article.
    WTF is an intuitive exclamation, worse than failure simply make no sense.
    Bring thedailyWTF back!
  • Erik 2007-02-25 22:51
    Seriously, why does everyone care what the site is called? I do happen to prefer the previous name, but I, for one, come here for the content. If there hadn't been an article about the name change, I probably wouldn't have even noticed.

    I also agree with other comments that the new name might not attract the semi-curious web surfer as strongly, but look at us-- we've already found the site! It's Alex's problem if new people don't find the site, and it sounds like he's happy with his decision.
  • jman 2007-02-25 22:55
    wow, bad name change. Won't change my reading habits, I'll still come here but far less likely to hook in new readers with a crappy name like that. If I stumbled across a site called the daily wtf, I'd be inclined to check it out. If I stumbled across a site called worse than failure, I'd leave.

    WTF really summarized what this site was all about. Worse than failure just sucks
  • Jimmy 2007-02-25 23:00
    Worse Than Failure = New Coke
  • Matt 2007-02-25 23:07
    Long time reader, first time poster.

    As the quality of the posts has gone down (I'd much rather have one GOOD post per day than the multiple pieces of mediocre content that have appeared on this site of late.), the WTF name would at least bring a smile to my face. Once the old URL stops working, I'm going to stop reading.

    Now, how can I get a good deal on the leftover TheDailyWTF swag?
  • D 2007-02-25 23:45
    Sad. Just... sad.
  • operagost 2007-02-26 00:27
    I suggest yet another name change... the Daily What the Fuck Were You Thinking!
  • Eli Sand 2007-02-26 00:36
    Ok, let me get this straight... you renamed a website frequented by programming geeks that more than likely wear tshirts that say "WTF?" in big white letters on them to work every day (you know, cause geeks don't know how to do their own laundry unless there's a command line version of the washing machine) because you couldn't explain to your GRANDMOTHER what the site's name stood for (the point being the era your grandmother grew up in)?

    You win the daily WTF award on this one - and I don't think I've ever posted a comment on this site before, ever - until now.

    You couldn't even think to say, "... it stands for 'what the frig'" or something else? There's quite a few replacement slangs that begin with the letter f and would fit quite nicely and wouldn't hurt your virgin grandmothers ears - and she wouldn't hit you with her jesus cross either and tell you that you're going to H E DOUBLE HOCKEY STICKS!

    Wow, just wow. Check your pants man, I think your vagina is dry.
  • David Cameron 2007-02-26 01:09
    Alex,

    long time reader, rarely posting.

    The name change is a bad idea for the reason others have pointed out: WTF is the perfect phrase to describe what is posted here. It is appropriate for the industry.

    I say this as someone who rarely swears. It is pretty immature of all the people swearing to prove that can. Most people seemed to grow out of that by the age of 12. However the acronym WTF is embedded in the industry.

    I'll give it a week or so to see if the name changes back. If not I'll be deleting this from my bookmarks and I won't be visiting again. I'd guess that you are going to lose 75% of your readers.

    In the end it is your choice, it is your site. I personally think it is a bad choice.

    David Cameron
  • Eli Sand 2007-02-26 01:18
    David Cameron:

    ...Most people seemed to grow out of that by the age of 12.

    <snip>

    I'll give it a week or so to see if the name changes back. If not I'll be deleting this from my bookmarks and I won't be visiting again.


    Funny, I thought the whining mentality was supposed to die off around the age of 12 too...

    If you wanted to carry some extra weight to your "I won't read your site any more!!" sobbing, threaten not to digg any of the posts ;P
  • Gogu Vasile 2007-02-26 02:23
    NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    That is all. Thank you.
  • FUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUCK 2007-02-26 02:26
    The real WTF is that the 5 pages of comments on this haven't degraded into nothing but swearing

    fuck fuck fuck fuck

    also cocks

    captcha: sanitarium; NO U
  • Xandax 2007-02-26 02:37
    Liked the old name better, and it felt more significant to the articles we'd read about here.....

    However it is not my site, and I'll continue reading anyway.
  • Lauri Laakso 2007-02-26 02:44
    I stop reading you're s(h)ite,
    Yours truly,
    Lauri
  • B34r 2007-02-26 03:11
    You sold out?

    ... because you're not adult enough to swear in front of your family?

    So you renamed your site to three hastily assembled words that could "explain away" the acronym and sacrificed the entire spirit of the site in the doing?

    You tell me, What The Fuck is wrong with this picture?
  • Flynn 2007-02-26 03:22
    I desperately want to be supportive of the name change but to be honest I liked "What The F*ck".

    "Worse Than Failure" doesn't really describe the content and see a bit "made up" to that it fits the original acronym.

    However, life moves on...

    (Keep up the good work)
  • Bucciarati 2007-02-26 03:37
    Ryan:
    When do people make business plans based on how their Grandma likes the name? I thought that the target market determined the name.


    This name change is plain silly. Sad that Alex quoted his grandma as the person responsible for this.

    OMFG WTF ??1?
  • aikii 2007-02-26 03:44
    Oh, I don't mind the politically correct rebranding ... the real origin of "WTF" can still be seen as an inside joke.

    About the new name, nice and quite relevant too. It's no about failures but strange survival of monsters than shouldn't even be born. It's about kind of corporate anti-darwinism. Instead of being still-born projects, resources are wasted at them, and like I said before, it's often due to overconfidence but it's more than that ; I think this new name really embraces the website's purpose from its very start. The only grief I have : it's less funny.
  • Bernhard 2007-02-26 03:45
    You ARE failure joking right!? No failure way!

    I've enjoyed What The Failure for so long, and as you so accurately wrote, it's the only natural reaction to some of the content.

    MAN, I'm soooo failured off!!!
  • anonymous 2007-02-26 03:51
    You rename the site to Worse than Failure, to make your grandma happy... making your readers angry!

    To me, I dont care, because is the content. But I will not remeber the new name, so please NEVER remove the old name. I will continue typing thedailywtf.com on the browser address.
  • mca 2007-02-26 03:53
    WTF!?
  • jamie 2007-02-26 04:07
    sigh!

    - terrible new name
    - even worse because you have tried to keep the old acronym
    - grandma? seriously?!
    - PC = not-cool anymore = are you selling out??
  • wtf 2007-02-26 04:21
    WTF!? That sucks so bad i can't believe it!

    Politically correct my ass - to me this site is called What-the-Fuck!.. Dude... "Worse than Failure"?! You got that right... :-(





    Biggest wtf to date, right here.
  • bullestock 2007-02-26 04:29
    Icarium:
    YOU RE A SISSY!


    No, he's a pussy.
  • Jurgen 2007-02-26 04:32
    This sucks. It's websensed now!
  • Anum 2007-02-26 04:50
    A small piece of me died today.
    Goodbye DailyWTF :)
  • Anonymous 2007-02-26 04:58
    This just might be the funniest thing I've read here since Virtudyne.

    captcha: darwin (these 250+ comments evolved from apes)
  • Adny 2007-02-26 05:03
    So, ehm.. is that "Show full article" checkbox gone permanently? O:-)
  • (unregistered) 2007-02-26 05:42
    I for one, do not care what the site is called.
    I don't understand why so many people are getting worked up about it either, do you come to this website just to stare at the url and write stupid comments?
  • Sjon 2007-02-26 05:48
    I think the new name sucks :) I don't see the problem with mentioning the F-word that people seem to have.
  • el 2007-02-26 05:53
    If your grandmay didn't know about "fuck" you wouldn't be here. Bad excuse.
  • VogonnConstructionFleet 2007-02-26 06:15
    Hate the new name. Liked the old name because it gave it a gritty, no-holds-barred feel. Now I feel like I'm sucking up to click-through advertisers.
  • Daz 2007-02-26 06:24
    First post here, long time lurker - this nonsense urged me to contribute.

    New name sucks monkey balls.

    WTF were you thinking? *shakes head* :(

    Daz

    captcha: alarm (bells)
  • woohoo 2007-02-26 06:34
    *yawn*

    I'm really quite bored by the whole PC-stuff (and I'm not talking about Personal Computers...)
    did any of the "correct" phrases ("xyz challenged" etc.) change anything in the way people think about things?
    or are these phrases just covering up narrow-minded and chauvinist thinking which does not change the least by using new labelling?

    I'm quite convinced that it is the latter - so there's really no sense in giving in to PCness.

    I'm disappointed. the new name is sort of "lamely correct"...

    thankfully, this whole PCness did not catch on so heavy here in europe. might be it was not as necessary in the first place ;o)

    captcha: kungfu - yeah, let's shatter PCness! ;o)
  • Rem 2007-02-26 06:52
    This is a real shame. Everyone at my work knows this site, as do many of my friends, and theres no way they would if it was always called something as uninteresting as this. Who is going to say "hey, did you see that worse than failure article the other day?"... no-one. The memorable ring of the name has gone and so there goes all the geeky enthusiasm for the site. You cant totally screw with the identifying label of a place to visit and not expect people to turn off.
  • Jon 2007-02-26 07:05
    Congrats on the unveiling of your new site name.

    Remember kids, 'Failure' is a very bad word.

    I think Richard Pryor said it best: "Fuck censorship, and its moma.."
  • Last post from Le_Forgeron here 2007-02-26 07:13
    I never posted comments here before, and that's the first and last one:
    It's one drop too far... first there was that summary/full article change, then now choice is gone and the name change, as well as the domains.
    I'm just removing the old wtf bookmark from my bar, no promise, no menace, just dropping.

    I did enjoy Paula, and the others articles, but not enough to bother with a changing spirit.

    Do not bother to address me with a reply, i'm just gone.
    Bye.
  • Why the failure is the name compulsory? 2007-02-26 07:27
    See above for the comment.
  • Anonymous 2007-02-26 07:40
    So.. let me get this straight. You changed the name of the site to no longer include the word "Fuck", just to avoid an awkward situation where you have to explain what 'WTF' stands for?

    If that isn't the reason, well I'm sorry but that's what I and many people gather from this post, which is just sad. I always find it quite funny when people try to coddle and protect their grandparents and elderly people because they think "ZOMG, SWEAR WORDS, OH NOOOES!", and it turns out that the old person in question doesn't really give two shits.

    Come on, dude... changing the name just so you don't have to say "The 'F'? It uh.. stands for.. uh...". Now THAT is a WTF in itself.
  • ChrisF 2007-02-26 07:41
    .renameTo won't work here, because it's not a name, but a brand, and I agree with those who say that you are wilfully destroying your own brand.
    What about a Schroedinger's cat solution? It's still TheDailyWTF, but nobody is told what WTF stands for unless they ask you, and depending on your mood, you can answer What The Fuck or Worse Than Failure?
    Or even better, you leave it to the reader to decide whether they prefer to think of WTF as What the Fuck, Worse Than Failure or the new weird thing on technorati?
  • D 2007-02-26 07:45
    Can't you just change it back?

    *Sob*
  • Daz 2007-02-26 08:05
    D:
    Can't you just change it back?

    *Sob*


    Now there's an idea worth of credence ;)

    Daz
  • Mortvar 2007-02-26 08:13
    I like considerate people:

    I think you should study the word censoring. Censoring is when someone removes certain speech deemed inappropriate by some certain ideology. No one is censoring him, nor pressuring him to censor himself. He's making changes for a variety of reasons. One of those reasons is consideration of others, an idea that is miles away from censorship.


    You and all the smart persons saying "that's no censorship", have you ever heard the word "Self-censorship"?

    Correcting one's own speech for being more political correct is just a form of (Self-)censorship. Being political correct is nice and sometimes just necessary, but being PC just for being PC is siiiillllly!

    So yes, I'm another 'new name sucks' whiner, but at least I'm free and mature enough to use swear words when necessary.

    Strange: the country that invented the idea of 'free speech' and strangely still stands for liberty in some parts of the world (mostly in your own land I suppose) - but it's inhabitans doesn't even realize that they conduct self-censorship on a broad, daily basis.

    Too sad...
  • Cloaked User 2007-02-26 08:18
    fennec:

    -- also, shouldn't that be website.renameTo() instead of Website.RenameTo()?


    The site's written in .NET (check the URL extension - .aspx), which has a convention of naming methods with an initial capital letter.
    I think it's to piss off Java programmers that decide to learn C#...
  • JCritt 2007-02-26 08:23
    Prolly April fools, Must of ran one of the daylight patches early guys.....

    captcha: dreadlocks
    WTF?
  • The DailyBTW 2007-02-26 08:24
    Oh, crap, back to work. So long, and thanks for all the funny stories.
  • dkf 2007-02-26 08:28
    baddognotbarking:
    The new name is a crude reinterpretation of the WTF acronym. It may be politically correct but it reflects just a fraction of the site's content.
    The name change seems like a frantic move. You cannot except anyone who isn't accustomed to what WTF implies to read or understand a single article and there is no meaning to have a name liked by people who will never read a single article.
    WTF is an intuitive exclamation, worse than failure simply make no sense.
    Bring thedailyWTF back!

    The Real WTF is that if he'd changed the name to "The Daily WOE" (that's for "What On Earth") then he'd have kept the original sense of the WTF part of the name and had a site name acceptable to prudes. He'd have even been able to avoid having to explain it to lay-people.

    Now, if only we could guess the real identity of the prude Alex's worried about. Given his propensity for changing the names involved, I'd guess it must not be a grandmother. Maybe a potential future employer instead?

    Captcha: WTF (means What The Fuck, and don't you forget it buddy!)
  • throbi 2007-02-26 08:49
    well, this step is... worse than a failure!

    gone chicken?

    push from the advertisers?

    WHAT THE FUCK????
  • Anonymous 2007-02-26 08:58
    This is the signal of the impending fall of Western civilization. I suppose it was good while it lasted...
  • meh 2007-02-26 09:05
    Yeah I love the renaming.

    Its like renaming Terminator II to The Robot from The Future.

    The name is lame.
  • ssprencel 2007-02-26 09:25
    Just tell your grandmother that WTF stands for Worse Than Failure and change the name back. If she or anyone in your family ever calls you out on it then you know they know and they'll understand why you told them the little white lie.
  • Devildog 2007-02-26 09:32
    Well, I'd like to second the opinion that the name change is a big mistake, also I think the gradual changes like long-ass texts are an unfortunate waste of readers' time.

    After at least 265 comments, for whoever might be counting, here's yet another gratuitous occurence of each of the words, with my compliments:

    pussy, sell-out, lame, weak, vagina and naturally Fuck.

    Pitty. TheDailyRestInPeace.
  • bstorer 2007-02-26 09:42
    Jeez, people, fear change much? You all complain about the site's name while simultaniously searching the web on Google, and doing your online shopping on websites called eBay and Amazon. The name doesn't matter, the content does.
  • Mark 2007-02-26 09:44
    Anonymous:
    I like the new one too, only shortening it to just WTF could cause some confusion... WoTF perhaps? Any better ideas?


    Nerf undead.
  • Jamie 2007-02-26 09:51
    fennec:
    I've done basic updates to the Wikipedia article.


    not sure if this has been edited out or not, but it currently ends with the following:

    "On February 24, 2007, the site was renamed to Worse Than Failure because Alex was not man enough to say the name in front of his family"
  • Jamie 2007-02-26 09:53
    bstorer:
    Jeez, people, fear change much? You all complain about the site's name while simultaniously searching the web on Google, and doing your online shopping on websites called eBay and Amazon. The name doesn't matter, the content does.


    yeah, but i bet none of them would dilute their brand by renaming.

    Amazon Exec - hmm, this jungle name just doesnt make sense to our non-core user base....hey, check and see if bookshop.com is registered.....
  • WIldpeaks 2007-02-26 10:32
    D:
    Can't you just change it back?

    *Sob*

    Pleaaaaaaase
  • WIldpeaks 2007-02-26 10:34
    [quote user="Cloaked User"][quote user="fennec"]
    The site's written in .NET (check the URL extension - .aspx), which has a convention of naming methods with an initial capital letter.[/quote]

    No I will not say that it's one more thing they copied from Delphi, I will resist
  • WIldpeaks 2007-02-26 10:35
    meh:
    Yeah I love the renaming.

    Its like renaming Terminator II to The Robot from The Future.

    The name is lame.

    Well as long as it's not The SpamBot from the Future... :-)
  • Lars Clausen 2007-02-26 10:36
    No, I understand perfectly well that you have to get rid of the fuck to stay in business. After all, we saw what happened to fuckedcompany.com. Wait... it'd didn't happen. They're still going strong, even with fuck right there in the URL. I wouldn't care if you explained WTF differently to your grandma, but with the new name, I won't be thinking of this site every time I run across a WTF in my code. You're missing you audience with this change, but then the quality of the WTF's has been dropping over the half-year I've been following it. I hope somebody picks up the dailywtf.com domain name and remakes the code-oriented site that used to be.

    -Lars
  • Henrik 2007-02-26 10:54
    The new name doesn't fit, the old one was SO much better. And it's fairly lame to hide behind excuses like "the site isn't all that daily anymore" instead of the real reason.

    Oh well. The content is still great, though, keep it up!
  • bstorer 2007-02-26 10:55
    yeah, but i bet none of them would dilute their brand by renaming.


    Dilute the brand? Are you completely insane? It's a blog!

    Oh, and tell that to Verizon, Mandriva, Wireshark, Ask.com, CBS Radio, and USAirways... I could keep going.
  • lurker leech 2007-02-26 10:59
    the new name... omfg pwnd
  • Ezekiel Rage 2007-02-26 11:00
    lame++
  • anon 2007-02-26 11:37
    I don't care if you want to change the name. Some people will find the old one offensive and if that bothers you, fine. However, makeing up other words for WTF just seems like a cop-out to me. Rename the site entirely and just drop WTF in any form
  • Flynn 2007-02-26 11:41
    D:
    Can't you just change it back?

    *Sob*


    Thats the most sensible thing said so far.
  • dustin 2007-02-26 11:43
    My bet is that tommorrow the site name gets changed back to the daily wtf and there is an article saying how big of a wtf it was to rename the site from the daily wtf to worse than failure.

    haha lots of wtf's in that sentance.
  • iAmNotACantalope 2007-02-26 11:55
    Suggestion: Modify the server to process both the new and old domains. Replace the header image with the proper banner for the domain visited, share all the rest of the content.

    Promote worsethanfailure.com, but leave the old name for all those who can't stand change. I don't think the name change is good or bad, but it's a good thing if it makes Alex happy with his work...
  • Alex G. 2007-02-26 12:01
    This reminds me of when they changed the name of Popeye Cigarettes to Popeye Delicious Candy Sticks.
  • Herman 2007-02-26 12:03
    I only read the site because of its name. Going to stop now.
  • Tale 2007-02-26 12:10
    Add me to the list of people very disappointed with the name change and petitioning a return to the old name. While "Worse than Failure" *does* have an element of cleverness to it, it utterly fails to hit its target market. When I see some fucked up code, I don't think "wow, that's really worse than failure, I should submit it to the site."

    Though I expect our pleas are falling on deaf ears, please change it back.
  • Tale 2007-02-26 12:10
    Add me to the list of people very disappointed with the name change and petitioning a return to the old name. While "Worse than Failure" *does* have an element of cleverness to it, it utterly fails to hit its target market. When I see some fucked up code, I don't think "wow, that's really worse than failure, I should submit it to the site."

    Though I expect our pleas are falling on deaf ears, please change it back.
  • Tale 2007-02-26 12:11
    Sorry for the double post, I swear I clicked submit only once, no clue what happened.
  • Addiv 2007-02-26 12:16
    Consider who your audience is. You are catering to a very specific group of people who actually know what WTF stands for without having to ask. Why alter the site to conform to a completely different group who only have a vague understanding of what the site is about?

    Please reconsider. This just doesn't feel right.
  • Ahnfelt 2007-02-26 12:20
    Try reading the five pages of posts. Hell, just half a page. Most of the active readers, those who care to post, obviously care.

    In any case, I don't care much about the name itself, although I liked the old one better. I do care about the political correctnes reason, but sure, it's Alex' decision.

    Recruiting new readers will be hard because the new name is a turn-off, except maybe for some percentage of the US population who cannot approve of internet slang.

    In any case, consider being a bit more mature the next time you feel the need to disagree. Name calling is pretty weak.
  • petey 2007-02-26 12:38
    I liked the old name better!! WTF is "Worse Than Failure"???

    The new brand is weak. Please change it back!
  • BradleyS 2007-02-26 12:39
    Ya know, given how many times in the last couple weeks I've seen people whining about "this isn't a real WTF, it's false advertising", I'd think that more of them would appreciate that Alex has apparently decided to listen to their complaints. If you're so convinced he's not posting WTF's, why do you want the site called the Daily WTF? Y'all have complained, he's responded, so what if it's not what you wanted? Man up and deal with it.

    I personally don't care what the site is named; I like to read the stories, and I like to read the comments. I'm actually hoping that with the number of people who have threatened to stop reading we might cut down on the number or people putting "frist psot!" comments in.
  • doof 2007-02-26 12:42
    It's really sad how folks can't comprehend the difference between "censorship" and "tact / discretion / decorum".
  • mcv 2007-02-26 12:44
    Ryan:
    I think "The Daily WTF" was part of this site's success and an excellent brand. We'll see if Worse Than Failure captures new audience as well, I doubt it.


    Perhaps the site's name should remain The Daily WTF, but change the official meaning of WTF to "Worse Than Failure". That way we can tell grandma's aboout the site, but we can also still attract the "cursing is cool" crowd.
  • Troy Mclure 2007-02-26 12:47
    bstorer:
    yeah, but i bet none of them would dilute their brand by renaming.


    Dilute the brand? Are you completely insane? It's a blog!

    Oh, and tell that to Verizon, Mandriva, Wireshark, Ask.com, CBS Radio, and USAirways... I could keep going.


    Bingo - it is a blog. That is it.

    And for all of you who say you are leaving and never coming back you're full of shit. You dont come here b/c it was called WTF (at least I hope not). So I guarantee you will return.
  • ssprencel 2007-02-26 12:55
    I can't remember a thread on thedailywtf with more than 300 posts. I think Alex is a reasonable guy and may listen to his "following".

    Alex, I think you're a good person and sometimes good people make mistakes. Let's hope that Worse Than Failure ends up on the same junk pile as Microsoft Bob.
  • Edowyth 2007-02-26 12:58
    Right, the new name is creative, explains what it going on with the site better than the old name and is an improvement.

    It's creative because all these code segments are worse than failure...at least if the person writing it had failed to implement something then someone could have done it correctly the first time.

    It explains the site better because, as Alex said, it's more than daily now, there are multiple forums, and not all of the code segments/ stories make you say "WTF", but they are all worse than failure.

    It's an improvement because of the above reasons and because those who do have relations who care about that stuff can redirect them to something we think is funny and show them a small part of the headaches we deal with daily without having to obfuscate the website.

    To those who are angry about the idea of political correctness: You'll find that Alex actually increases his readership by changing the name because there is a large portion of the population who just get tired of hearing all those meaningless words all the time. "What the fuck?" has no inherent meaning and must have one assigned to the specific phrase whereas something like "What's going on?" or "This is insane!" convey a true, single, well-defined meaning. How can you work with syntax specific languages all the time and not see that using phrases like "What the fuck?" are like writing this:

    void c(int* x, int* y){x=y;y=0;(int)x!=0?c(x,y)}

    when you could have written this:

    void clear(int* x, int* y)
    {
    x = 0;
    y = 0;
    }
    ???
  • gencha 2007-02-26 13:07
    The biggest WTF ever is the reason why the sites name has to be changed. You are ashamed to talk to your grandma about your sites name? You GOT to be kidding me.
    The last time i held back about anything in front of my relatives was when i still depended on them giving me those extra bucks when i visit :P
    And a coding contest? And "other things"? Just keep the site like it is dude.
    The site is fine as it is. If you're bored with it, make another one. But don't fuck up a site people already love ;)
    I shouldn't actually really care, cause, well, it's your site. But the new name really sucks :P
  • TheRealBill 2007-02-26 13:10
    I like considerate people:
    Censoring FAILS!:
    Basically, I am completly against censoring, and as this is censoring I am against this website, and as I am against this website I will stop reading this website as regulary as I did before.


    I think you should study the word censoring. Censoring is when someone removes certain speech deemed inappropriate by some certain ideology. No one is censoring him, nor pressuring him to censor himself. He's making changes for a variety of reasons. One of those reasons is consideration of others, an idea that is miles away from censorship.


    Actually, not all censorship is directly externally imposed, perhaps you should do more studying. For example, at one point in US history there was the "Equal Time Doctrine" which held that when a media outlet provided space and/or time for a political view, it was required to provide an equal amount to the other side(s). This led inevitably to the outlets not allowing any political content because they were then forced to double the amount of time/space available. This was correctly held to be a form of censorship as it effectively prohibited certain speech. This is but one example. If you truly did as you suggested you will find many many cases of this.

    Most of us do in fact practice self-censorship at various times - especially those of us who are married.

    The "consideration of others" is one of the bricks on the road of good intentions. Are people forced to read thedailywtf.com? Nope. It is a voluntary choice. Thus, there is no need or benefit to the alleged "consideration of others". Further there is no evidence that there exists any consideration of others among a self-selecting audience.

    That self-selecting audience made a conscious choice to read the site - many due to the name. It was apropos. It made sense. Now it does not. It is no "immature whining" on the part of readers to disagree and to stop reading or suggest that they might. indeed, if anything is immature it is those of you who call the "whiners" children. That is known as an ad hominem attack and is a good way to show you have nothing of value or merit in your argument. Instead of attacking the argument, you attack the poster. Quite immature.

    Indeed some of the arguments made are made from experience. As history and experience shows us when groups or entities start shifting towards more political correctness, it is more often than not a sign that change is coming. And more often than not that change is in watering down the content, intent, or purpose. The stories have slacked off over the last few months IMO. Taken with the PC name change it is not illogical to conclude there is a chance that the essence of what was thedailywtf.com is waning.

    Will it go away? At this point it is quite likely. As people who are in the IT world and seeing these WTFs leave the site due to it losing it's essence (it's purity some would say), the submissions of good, genuine WTFs will decrease. This will further decrease the essence that was thedailywtf.com thus perpetuating the fall.

    Will it come to pass? Perhaps. It would be neither the first nor last time such an event occurs.
  • Tufty 2007-02-26 13:11
    I preferred the old name... that said, as long as the content remains funny, I actually don't give a shit what the site is called. I come here to learn and to be entertained, not to be immature and laugh at the name of the site.

    And yeah, Slashdot-style fr1st psot bullshit irritates the fuck out of me. Hopefully this will cut them down, if not I might have to get hold of a chainsaw (and not by the blade).
  • Someone peeved at the twats 2007-02-26 13:26
    God almighty, what a bunch of fucking crap arsed whining little bitches.

    Jeeze, it's like a little bunch of children arguing over which pokemon is better.


    It's pretty simple really ... there is a purpose in life for swearing, but not everyone likes to hear a nonstop string of profanities.

    Sure, this name change might upset all of you stuck up twits that seem to think we give a damn if you come here and post your drivel. Sorry if you're so used to being able to cuss a storm and get your own way ... sorry if you feel you've been oppressed by the man ... hell I'm even sorry if you got dropped on your head as a baby ...

    BUT WE DON'T GIVE A SHIT!

    I mean seriously ... how much credibility do you think any major organization would have if they swore in their names or slogans?

    "www.Google-it-bitch.com" ... yeah, sure bet that'd do wonders for their user base...

    "Dell gives a damn about you" ... Yeah, so much B2B sales gonna come from that one...

    "MicroShit Windows" ... actually that might be kinda appropriate

    Are we getting the point yet dumbdumbs? Since Alex appears to wish to expand the readership and activity of the site, the best move for his credibility is to get a name that won't destroy his credibility as site worth viewing.

    And for the record, I'm one of these people that consider it highly inappropriate to swear in front of children, your parents/grandparents, or complete strangers ... but I am willing to make some exceptions when dealing with 2 short planks.

    Now can we all please get over it and go back to laughing at the crazy code?

    *puts his straight jacket back on*
  • Yo-er 2007-02-26 13:29
    Apple changed their name, everyone hate Apple?
  • Cthulhu 2007-02-26 13:35
    The real WTF are comments like this:

    Edowyth:
    there is a large portion of the population who just get tired of hearing all those meaningless words all the time. "What the fuck?" has no inherent meaning and must have one assigned to the specific phrase whereas something like "What's going on?" or "This is insane!" convey a true, single, well-defined meaning.


    CAPTCHA: Quake - this relevant captcha reminds me of the BFG (10K) in quake2. ID software could have gone all PC or worried about 'inherent meaning' and called it the "What's going on gun" instead. They didn't. It's better this way.
  • Harrow 2007-02-26 13:36
    The Bard said "A rose by any other name would smell as sweet" but if the Poet had had to write "My love is mighty like a bunjeewapper" it wouldn't have been quite the same.

    -Harrow.
  • Cthulhu 2007-02-26 13:37
    Someone peeved at the twats:
    Jeeze, it's like a little bunch of children arguing over which pokemon is better.


    But now you mention it that Pikachu one is overrated

  • Poppa Vein 2007-02-26 13:40

    public class Website
    {
    public static void RenameTo(string name)
    {
    if (name.Equals("Worse Than Failure"))
    {
    Website.Flush();
    Website.Close();
    }
    }
    }
  • Adrian 2007-02-26 13:48
    Pathetic, this site has always censored and sheltered people....why not rename it to jumped the shark.

    I know give out free stickers that'll help.

    Now all we need is a classic WTF story about rebranding and how it always is a diaster.
  • None 2007-02-26 14:04
    the new name, it's lame.
  • Rob Sirloin 2007-02-26 14:17
    Grandma is one tough bitch! I don't think you gave her enough credit. She lived through 2 World Wars and a depression, pumped out and raised six kids on Grandpas factory paycheck. I think Grandma can handle a couple of F-bombs now and again.

    New name is Lame. I'll prob still read, but change it back.
  • Craig Boland 2007-02-26 14:20
    I understand if Alex changed the name for business reasons. After all the advertisers pay his salary, not the readers. But the name 'WTF' is just so close and personal to developers. It truly is our first mental reaction when we see code like the submissions on the site. Whoever really thought 'Worse than failure?' when encountering those abominations of creativity. Our culture is now less that what it was before the name change. But good luck, Alex, and I'll keep reading.
  • Tukaro 2007-02-26 14:20
    Aw, don't listen to the whiners, Alex.

    The new name is just fine; I had a somewhat similar problem, if only because saying "Double U Tee Ef" out loud sounds weird.

    Now I can just tell them to check out Worse Than Failure. :)
  • yoz 2007-02-26 14:20
    well it's not the name but the content which matters

    way to go alex
  • fattymcgee 2007-02-26 14:21
    May I suggest some other retroactive backronyms:

    1) Wuss Towards Family

    2) Wet, Tiny, Flacid

    3) Write Terrible. Flee.

    4) Win The For

    5) Well Timed Fart
  • SablKnight 2007-02-26 14:26
    Lame, weak, crappy. I never would have started reading if this was the original name.
  • JTK 2007-02-26 14:30
    You all must live in some alternate reality -- at my corporate workplace, swearing is NEVER appropriate. Profanity is a sign of a small mind. Those of you who can't communicate without it should invest in a dictionary.

    Having said that, I have to admit that "Worse Than Failure" does not exactly roll trippingly off the tongue. There have been some much better suggestions in all the above drivel:

    The Daily WOE (describes my job to a T)
    The Daily SNAFU (can use Situation Normal - All Fouled Up as the tag, while the script kiddies snicker in the back of the room)
    The Daily FOOBAR (as above, dates back to K&R C)

    Alex -- It's your site, and the rest of us should remember we are but guests. I applaud you for having the guts to stick with your convictions, regardless of what the rest of us freeloaders think.
  • Adam 2007-02-26 14:33
    Wanted to put my 2¢ in.

    First, I started reading the site because of the name. I'm not one to swear, so telling others can make me blush, but I think it attracts readers. I'm glad WTF wasn't spelled out or I might not have visited. (I don't think I could visit a site with f*** spelled out in the URL at work!)

    But when I viewed the code submitted here I always had "WTF?" running through my head. I thought it was very appropriately named site.

    I'm doubtful people will stop visiting just because of the name change. If they do, fine. I know won't stop visiting. (I will still go to thedailywtf.com instead of the new URL however!) But I do have to say, the content seems to have gone downhill lately. (But if the "frist" posters all leave, great!)

    I would have rather seen you tell your granny that WTF stood for Worse Than Failure than change the name of the site (I know I could never said f*** to my grandma!), but I understand how a site with WTF in it could turn off potential employers or companies wanting advertise here. It is kind of sad though.

    I like the suggestion of keeping thedailywtf.com domain name and having a different header for visitors to that site.

    As for the free stickers, I think I'm going to try to score one and then just cut off the bottom.
  • Adam 2007-02-26 14:37
    JTK:
    The Daily SNAFU (can use Situation Normal - All Fouled Up as the tag, while the script kiddies snicker in the back of the room)
    The Daily FOOBAR (as above, dates back to K&R C)


    How is SNAFU or FOOBAR (originally FUBAR) any better that WTF? They all started with the F meaning f*ck. (At least to me! And still do!)
  • Samus_ 2007-02-26 14:45
    yoz:
    well it's not the name but the content which matters

    way to go alex
    yep, I personally liked the old name more than this one but whatever while it's funny it's okay.

    About the meaning of the old name, some have said that 'daily' it's not good now because it's not 'daily' anymore and 'WTF' is because 'cursing is cool' :P I've never thought of it this way I always thought that 'daily' comes from the idea of being a newspaper and 'WTF' not because of the 'fuck' but because 'WTF' is a very very (extremely very) common expression. Anyways, let's hope for the best (=
  • Kuba 2007-02-26 14:46
    doof:
    It's really sad how folks can't comprehend the difference between "censorship" and "tact / discretion / decorum".


    Tact? Discretion? Decorum? When it comes to WTFs for some of which the perpetrators should be sentenced for life in front of a firing squad?? Get real. We're big boys and we talk here of things where swearing is the least you should do. I'd manhandle some of the WTF'ers had I worked with them.

    Tact, my ass. What the WTF perps do is tactless already, so The Daily WTF was simply following that direction, and it made sense to me.

    The name change is quite spineless to me.
  • eikonos 2007-02-26 14:59
    The real WTF is the new name.

    captcha: waffles -- as in, "thinks of a good website name, but then waffles"
  • rgz 2007-02-26 14:59
    I admit that I'll continue reading this site, but I recommend against the name change. Firstly is the branding of course, because each and everyone of your readers are (and should be) mature enough to read it. And like most people have said, the new name means nothing lacks strength and is just not funny.

    My recommendation would be to -- as others have said -- to keep multiple version of this site, with different branding depending on the url. By the way, I'm the guy that recommended you to register therealwtf.com. Hurry up before some one else does so. This site deserves it since the tradition originated here.

    Me, myself, I'll keep on reading this web site, but i promise to use the word FUCK at least once in every comment and commend people to do the same.

    Oh by the way, this is in reply to:
    "Profanity is the sound of an inarticulate person seeking to express himself forcefully."

    Except when you choose so. You miss the point, programmers are incredibly articulate people, yet we still like to express ourselves forcefully. Besides bending your speech to show off your literary prowess for fear of being mistaken as inarticulate is a sign of insecurity and immaturity, unless you do it because you choose so.

    Disclaimer: not a native speaker, spare me of reaching a thesaurus.
  • DarkLadyWolf 2007-02-26 15:06
    It's not my site, so I don't have any say in it. However I'm totally against the name change.

    Worse than Failure doesn't have the same rhythm and flow as DailyWTF.

    WTF was a perfect name, because almost all of those that (I believe) this site is aimed at know that expression. And have probably used it.

    However WTF itself is simply an acronym, or a collection of letters. Why not leave the name as it is, and just explain to your Grandmother that it means Worse Than Failure?

    Or heck, use the Phonetic alphabet: WhiskyTangoFoxtrot.

    Of course I'll keep reading; it's the same site. But I really think you've made a bad decision here. I just can't see the point.
  • Samus_ 2007-02-26 15:09
    hey! just a crazy stupid idea: why not keep BOTH names ah? :o :o :o it will be very fun to have a backdoor and make it load different logos/site-names based on where you came from, and it also can have secret passages and all that stuff xDDDD ok it's pretty stupid but you can't deny that it may keep happy all the people in this site.
  • overstressed admin 2007-02-26 15:10
    ok, so I'm a little late into the fray. Hey, I'm overstressed as it is.
    Look, bring back the old name. I don't want a sticker. This is like M$ getting rid of the My Pictures toolbar in IE7 (the only good feature ever added to IE6). Complained to someone in India who didn't get it and pointed me to the tech department for installation problems...WTF?!? It's a feature I can't install cause you GOT RID OF IT!
    Look, nobody liked New Coke either: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_Coke
    Ironically, the new name describes exactly what it is: worse than [a] failure.
  • Anonymous Luser 2007-02-26 15:49
    Yuck.

    I understand your desire to try something new, but I'm not keen on the new name. I don't think it is at all descriptive of what gets posted here.

    "WTF" is what we say when we see the things that happen to us that relate to the stories and code snippets that are on here. It's relevant, topical, and has "brand" value, since we've been reading "theDailyWTF" for as long as we have.

    Let me know when you change it back.

    AL
  • vr602 2007-02-26 16:03
    New name: Lame, sad, depressingly dull. Sorry Alex, but it's a big mistake. I know it's your site and we are just guests, but you've made a bit of a bog of that one.
    Vinny.
  • Tale 2007-02-26 16:11
    Edowyth:

    void clear(int* x, int* y)
    {
    x = 0;
    y = 0;
    }
    ???
    Perhaps you meant int&.
  • Michael 2007-02-26 16:12
    man... that's a very sad and disenchanting experience!

    let's hear what our good old friend Bill Hicks thinks about the new name:

    "Piieeeeecccee ooooooofff sssssshhhhiiiiiitttt !!!"

    c'mon change it back! you know it sucks!
  • Christian 2007-02-26 16:20
    This page shall stay "The Daily What-The-FUCK" forever!

    Can't we use some Firefox Plugins to replace text and images?
  • vermeil 2007-02-26 16:22
    Cthulhu:
    [this] reminds me of the BFG (10K) in quake2. ID software could have gone all PC or worried about 'inherent meaning' and called it the "What's going on gun" instead. They didn't.


    No, they called it Blast Field Gun/Generator, IIRC.
  • danieLs 2007-02-26 16:26
    What if the both domains work at the seam time ? :P
    If they use the same database i don't think it should be any problem.
  • Raina 2007-02-26 16:59
    While I have nothing against the 'wtf' in the original name, I know what you mean about explaining to grandma .. I had the same problem with my multimedia programming class last year.
    me> you should check out this site to know what not to do... [writes url on board]
    fairly clueless female student > what does wtf stand for ?
    me> err ... err ... 'what the fudge' :)
    class> *laughs*
  • Paul 2007-02-26 17:02
    WHAT THE FUCK

    Your grandma can handle the FUCK word. Seriously. To think otherwise is rather condescending.
  • Paul 2007-02-26 17:12
    On further thought, the whole grandma excuse sounds too cliche. What's the real reason Alex? Investors/advertisers upset with the site name, don't want to be associated with a site that has FUCK in its name? This would at least be more understandable -- disappointing, sure, but everyone understands you gotta pay for hosting.

    So be honest with us, is it really because of Grandma?
  • Havic 2007-02-26 17:13
    Weak. You could have just told you grandma that it stood for "Worse Than Failure" if you had liked. I'll check back in a year or so...
  • jdsakf 2007-02-26 17:15
    the website is "The Daily WTF", as far as I know it was never "The Daily 'What the Fuck'". If you're so worried about the omgswears! why couldn't you just clarify, officially, what the acronym means (The Daily 'Worse Than Failure').

    Whatever, i'm not going to lose any sleep over it but it's a pretty retarded move IMO. New name sucks, old name rocks.
  • Unklegwar 2007-02-26 17:37
    AWFUL decision. WTF is a universal constant. This new name is LAME as it comes.

    AWFUL AWFUL AWFUL.


    Captcha: atari!!!!!!!
  • Unklegwar 2007-02-26 17:39
    Paul:
    WHAT THE FUCK

    Your grandma can handle the FUCK word. Seriously. To think otherwise is rather condescending.


    Hell, Grandma had to do it herself, otherwise she wouldn't be a GRANDMA!!!!
  • GrandmasterB 2007-02-26 17:45
    Why would you sabotage your website by changing the name to something so f'ing lame??? TheDailyWTF had such a terrific edge. That edge is important to attracting programmers - particularly the kind you want here.

    I've worked for a lot of small companies, and I see it all the time - as soon as things get going people in charge will start making a truly stupid mistakes (like changing the name) and derail themselves. And then fragile ego's prevent them from acknowledging the mistakes and fixing them. Dont follow that road to failure.

    Let me give you a bit of free advice. GO WITH WHAT GOT YOU THERE. There's tons of sites out there that cater to IT people and cubicle monkeys, and their need for sufficiently watered down, office safe humor. But there is and always will be just one TheDailyWTF.com! DONT SCREW THAT UP!!!

  • RMG66 2007-02-26 17:55
    YOU ARE STUPID FOR CHANGING THE NAME!

    STUPID!!
  • Tom Woolf 2007-02-26 17:57
    Sigh.... As someone who has tried to show "Dogma" to his 80 year old mother, I can understand the hesitancy to tell your grandmother what WTF stands for. But before screwing with the name that so many of us appreciated, couldn't you have simply told your grandmother that "TheDailyWTF" actually stood for "The Daily Worse Than Failure", and left well-enough alone?

    Great site, great stories, great original name, and I'll stop there.
  • woohoo 2007-02-26 18:03
    Raina:
    While I have nothing against the 'wtf' in the original name, I know what you mean about explaining to grandma .. I had the same problem with my multimedia programming class last year.
    me> you should check out this site to know what not to do... [writes url on board]
    fairly clueless female student > what does wtf stand for ?
    me> err ... err ... 'what the fudge' :)
    class> *laughs*


    I'm also holding seminars - well, not for students, but for grown-up real-world developers and decision makers, admittedly ;o)
    however, there never was any problem spelling out the name of this site for those rare occasions where someone did not know what WTF meant.

    mind, that I am in Austria, where "fuck" is seen as a much stronger swear word and not as commonplace as in english (e.g. as intensifier in phrases like "this is fucking great" etc.). interestingly, in german the prevalent swear words tend to be more of an anal than a sexual connotation, i.e. most common ones include "scheisse" (="shit"), "Arsch(loch)" (="ass(hole)") etc.
    as an intensifier we are often using something like "verdammt":
    "it's fucking cold" = "es ist verdammt kalt" (="it's damned cold") or also "es ist scheisskalt" (=literally: "it is shitty-cold").
    also interestingly, "fuck(-ing/-ed)" was sort of incorporated into the german language in the last years as "verfickt" (one wouldn't have said that 20 years ago, and it's still regarded to be stronger than the original german swear words like "scheisse" etc.).

    hey, this may become a linguistic discussion, nice ;o)
  • kettch 2007-02-26 19:22
    All of the complaining reminds me of back in 3rd grade when somebody would type 5318008 into a calculator. Everybody would gather around and giggle "tee-hee, you made it say boobies". Personally, I don't use vulgarity at all, but it doesn't bother me if others do. However, I do find it silly. In today's society, vulgarity has become so common, that words and phrases that were once meant to be shocking are no longer paid any attention. Instead, they have been integrated into the everyday vocabulary of many people. What is the point of using a foul word, if it is not considered foul? At what point do we stop normalizing things that are considered unacceptable? Yes, we can all agree that it is good that certain things are now acceptable that didn't used to be (certain freedoms, etc...). 50 years ago everybody would have agreed that the word in question was foul, and should not be used. 50 years in the future, what will our grandkids be doing that we now find unspeakably foul? I'm not saying that certain things should be banned, but they should probably not become a common part of "polite society". That division needs to remain in effect. Otherwise we risk civilization falling into anarchy. Who of you can say that all pushing the envelope of acceptability is a good thing?

    Anyway, I read the site via RSS, and I would never have known about the name change if it hadn't been for the announcement. This is because the RSS feed has never been branded with the name of the website. The posts are always tagged with the personal name of the poster, and the only mention of the website was in the link to the discussion. So, I don't follow the logic of the people who are unsubscribing their RSS feeds as if they are suddenly being deprived of a vital part of their lives. If you need it that bad, go get a girlfriend, or a calculator.
  • Brady Kelly 2007-02-26 23:50
    Well, as much as I like this site, the word 'daily' no longer figures. While I still enjoy the site, I think changing the name is a cop-out; the old name is part of what mad the site, and I hope Alex really feels the change when his advertisers realise the new start is "Worse".

    BTW, is the real WTF still copyright?
  • scott b 2007-02-27 01:50
    I liked the old name better.
    Please change it back
  • Squid 2007-02-27 02:17
    While everyone seems to be pissed off at the name change, I am not. I don't like the new name, don't get me wrong, but it's Alex's right to change it. I loved the old name. I'll still always call the the 'Daily WTF', even though it's now 'Worse than Failure'. But there's no way in all hell, heaven and earth that I'll stop reading just because of a name change. Anyone that does is too superficial.

    Also, sorry if I've repeated something for the nth time - I cbf'ed reading through 8 pages of comments.
  • Edowyth 2007-02-27 02:17
    Generic, overused statement of opinion:

    Cthulhu:
    The real WTF are comments like this:

    Edowyth:
    there is a large portion of the population who just get tired of hearing all those meaningless words all the time. "What the fuck?" has no inherent meaning and must have one assigned to the specific phrase whereas something like "What's going on?" or "This is insane!" convey a true, single, well-defined meaning.


    CAPTCHA: Quake - this relevant captcha reminds me of the BFG (10K) in quake2. ID software could have gone all PC or worried about 'inherent meaning' and called it the "What's going on gun" instead. They didn't. It's better this way.


    CAPTCHA: Completely irrelevant sentence (to the discussion) having to do with my previously overstated and completely unsupported opinion.

    <analogy>
    <compares>
    <problem>
    <name>Won't Work</name>
    <description>XML won't fix the problem</description>
    </problem>
    <solution>
    <name>Violence</name>
    <description>Use more XML</description>
    </solution>
    </compares>
    <compares>
    <problem>
    <name>Whine</name>
    <description>I don't like what he said</description>
    </problem>
    <solution>
    <name>Whine</name>
    <description>Give my opinion and imply 'He's dumb!' or 'My Dad's stronger than your dad!'</description>
    </solution>
    </compares>
    </analogy>
  • Plasmab 2007-02-27 03:21
    Just change it back. As soon as the http://thedailywtf.com urls stops working i stop reading.

  • Seventh-Monkey 2007-02-27 05:28
    You all know what it really stands for, so who cares?
  • Horse 2007-02-27 05:38
    Boo. Please change it back, I used to start smiling the moment I heard there is a new "Daily WTF" story coming. It was itself hilarious enough to get you into the mood.

    Horse
  • TheJasper 2007-02-27 05:43
    Way too much stuff here to read, but I do want to put in my 2 cents just so management here can get a complete view. (hmm, maybe they shoulda done a survey).

    I can sort of understand wanting to distance yourself from the vulgarity. However wose than failure doesn't have the same feeling as wtf. Basically, I'd say call it what you like, but just keep using the wtf label. Also, the daily part, since no one really cares if its more than daily, only if its less. Its cathcy to sayl the daily wtf. Worse than failure sounds like a cheesy comic.

    I'll still keep reading whatever is chosen, because I some here for the content, not becuase of the name.
  • Thiago Berti 2007-02-27 06:05
    Well, in my humble opinion (sorry if someone had already said that, i didn't read all the comments) you culd stick with "Daily WTF" and just say that WTF stands for Worse than failure to your relatives.

    This way you'd have both names and people could choose between the one they liked more.
  • wtfisit 2007-02-27 07:01
    Actually, lame and cowardly as the name change may be, worse actually is the fact that this now has turned from the rather witty site reporting the non-sequitors of life into just another collection of 'humorous' misspellings and popup screenshots.

    Please, pretty please with sugar on top, work up some backbone, change the name back and get your act together again.

    For now, alas, I'm deleting the shortcut from my 'dailies'.
  • duncan 2007-02-27 07:31
    i bet this has been brought around because of a book deal or the thought of a book deal.... cynical? moi?
  • Taz 2007-02-27 07:48
    Another long time reader and first time poster. ITA that the new name is way less catchy than the former one, but it won't keep me from reading the site and my bookmark still says TheDaily WTF.

    So the PC crowd has "won" another battle but they can rest assured that they'll never win the WAR.

    I know a good proctologist that might help them locating their heads. :)

  • Romanski 2007-02-27 08:59
    Old name was better... Much better!

    Somebody posted an interesting suggestion to make the old domain use the same content with the old branding - a brilliant idea.
  • roflbrothel 2007-02-27 09:03
    Don't like the change, but yeah, it's Alex's right to change it. Doesn't mean we're going to be enthused about it.

    captcha: ewww. Yeah, 'sabout right.
  • JS 2007-02-27 09:05
    I for one welcome the name change. Mostly because it has fewer syllables. I hate saying "doubleyou".
  • Rob 2007-02-27 09:29
    Thiago Berti:
    you culd stick with "Daily WTF" and just say that WTF stands for Worse than failure to your relatives.


    I completely agree. I feel vaguely let down by this name change - it loses the spirit of the site.
  • Someone peeved at the twats 2007-02-27 09:45
    kettch:
    50 years in the future, what will our grandkids be doing that we now find unspeakably foul? I'm not saying that certain things should be banned, but they should probably not become a common part of "polite society".


    Those turlingdromes will probably be saying belgium to everything ;)
  • WIldpeaks 2007-02-27 11:13
    Thiago Berti:
    Well, in my humble opinion (sorry if someone had already said that, i didn't read all the comments) you culd stick with "Daily WTF" and just say that WTF stands for Worse than failure to your relatives.

    This way you'd have both names and people could choose between the one they liked more.


    Actually it would be even funnier than the old title as most people would think it's the "what the fuck" at first until they see the subtitle.
  • ed 2007-02-27 11:18
    shaka when the walls fell
  • Kerin 2007-02-27 11:29
    Plasmab:
    Just change it back. As soon as the http://thedailywtf.com urls stops working i stop reading.



    it's your loss.
  • Pascal 2007-02-27 11:45
    Hi Alex. It is the first time for me to leave a comment on your website. ***Pleeeeeaase*** come back to the old name...
  • Gregory 2007-02-27 11:58
    Hello,

    I've read all the comments on this article so far, and it's rather interesting to see where the readership's perspectives lie. The collective intelligence of the WTF readers seem to express a negative opinion of the recent name change.

    A few commenters are complaining of Alex "selling out" to political correctness, and some raised an excellent point about the failure of brand renamings in the corporate world. Another person made an excellent observation about WTF's pagerank, which will inevitably decrease due to the site redirect.

    The poster "Richard Nixon," who I have a fair amount of respect for, made an excellent argument against the name change. It's a pity that he plans to delete his WTF bookmark and never return to this website again.

    I personally prefer this website's prior name, but I do not plan on leaving. The content is still the same, and I expect plenty of excellent articles in the future. In my mind I will always refer to this website as "The Daily WTF" though. That's how rebranding often works: consumers are inherently stubborn, and refuse to recognize an entity by its new name.

    I would like to make a comment to those who plan on leaving. The content is still the same. You enjoyed reading the articles, and a mere name change isn't going to change the quality of the writing.

    Also, I believe having "thedailywtf.com" retain the old logo is an excellent idea. Though I doubt Alex will approve: it creates a disunity amongst WTF readers.

    Sincerely,
    Gregory
  • amix 2007-02-27 12:04
    Roy:
    How about "WTF Technology Folklore"?

    excellent.
  • Bot2 2007-02-27 13:22
    10 "Worse Than Failure is a lame name"
    20 GOTO 10

    I've told lots of folks in the past about the TheDailyWTF, but would not recommend them based on this name. It just doesn't have the same ring to it... probably seems a little strange, but others have posted how they have similar reservations.
  • rgz 2007-02-27 13:58
    What about "The Daily Weird Tech Findings"?

    - Look at this WTF!
    - What?
    - Look at this Weird Tech Finding, here...

    There are numerous WTFs (weird terrible features) in the name change, for instance if Alex just said he was messing with us we could have even laugh, instead, he said he was embarrassed in from of his grandma!? fucking lame! And a non sequitor by itself, does your Granny read tech news at all?

    CAPTCHA: burned, That's how we feel!
  • Zylon 2007-02-27 14:16
    This all reminds me of when FARK.com started getting popular and changed their name to "Friendly Animals Ranting Knowledgeably".

    Oh wait, yeah, that never happened.

    Boo on you, Alex. DailyWTF forever!
  • your grandma 2007-02-27 15:25
    ALEX YOU STUPID SHIT

    PUT THE FUCKING NAME BACK

    THANK YOU
  • EJ 2007-02-27 16:18
    The Daily WTF was so much funnier. This looks like someone marketing to preteens thought it up.
  • Dougie 2007-02-27 17:07
    Bot2:
    10 "Worse Than Failure is a lame name"
    20 GOTO 10

    I've told lots of folks in the past about the TheDailyWTF, but would not recommend them based on this name. It just doesn't have the same ring to it... probably seems a little strange, but others have posted how they have similar reservations.


    Your ZX81 basic is WTF material on it's own. Line 10 fails with a syntax error.

    You need a PRINT before the quoted text you pillock.


    p.s. please change the name back. Your new site name sucks.
  • RMG66 2007-02-27 18:32
    1) Anyone who believes that the reason Alex changed the name because he was embarrased with his grandmother is HIGH!

    2)And to all you who are saying "Well I'm still going to keep coming. The content hasn't changed." YOU ARE HIGH! The content of this site HAS changed drastically in the last few months. And THAT is the reason I'm am coming here less and less.

    3)You are overreaching, Alex. KISS (keep it simple stupid). There is elegance and and permanance in simplicity. Does the term "Bloatware" mean anything to you.
  • Former WTF'er 2007-02-27 21:12
    Booooooooooooooooooooooooooo

    Capcha: stinky (how apropos)
  • Phix 2007-02-28 01:45
    No, do you really believe in all this political correctness shit?

    The new name is terrible, I have unsubscribed from your feed.

  • deice 2007-02-28 02:57
    I think the namechange is lousy, it was what drew me to the site in the first place. If you see "The Daily WTF" somewhere you just have to check it out, "Worse Than Failure" is kinda bland in comparison. And fuck isn't even that bad anymore, unless you're speaking to the elderly.

    Don't get me wrong though, I'm not going on an ultimatum tantrum declaring I'll stop reading, I read this site for the contents, not some ridiculous reason like the title or "coolness". And the contents just keep on getting better and better. Keep that part up! :)

    captcha: (i know) kungfu.
  • RobFreundlich 2007-02-28 08:30
    I hate "me too" postings, but I have to say it. The new name absolutely positively sucks.

    "WTF" is a perfect description of the articles on this site and has "mind share" (as the marketing drones call it) with the target audience. When I tell people I saw something on "The Daily WTF", they either get it immediately or will never understand either the name or the site's contents.

    "Worse Than Failure" is a completely artifical phrase, has no meaning to anyone, and doesn't convey the true meaning and horror of the articles.

    Tell your grandmother to suck it up and deal with the profanity, or just stop telling her what it means. Changing the name to match someone who isn't in the target audience and who therefore doesn't have the background to understand most of the articles (and therefore won't read them anyway) is ridiculous.
  • Spongbo 2007-02-28 09:24
    Random vote for returning the title to "the daily WTF", and when Grandma asks, you tell her "worse than failure".

    Awareness of an alternative to "classic" WTF has been raised; just keep it in the tagline.

    The old URL was much better, punchier and to the point.
  • Calumbus 2007-02-28 10:15
    This seems to be the result of a move made of the same stuff with many other that intend to strike as many people in specifically targeted areas, in order to make them stand in line by starting watching their mouths, and to educate them in the fashionable spirit of vegetative sheep herds. No good parts in this; although basic freedoms, such as creativity, will largely remain to be exercised at home, these are not guaranteed to stay there forever. Grim days ahead, ppl; enjoy while you may, but responsibly.
  • DSC 2007-02-28 10:23
    I hate the new name, seriously. If you wanted to change the previous catchy name, ok.

    But this is the best you came up with?

    Another cool website jumps the shark.
  • Matt Palmer 2007-02-28 11:06
    I liked the old name. Yes, it was rude and irreverent - this was part of its charm. I have never had a problem telling anyone who would be interested in it the name, and it usually raised a wry smile. Many people became regular readers. Does granny read this site or do we?

    To keep everyone happy, can I suggest it changes again to WTWTF (Worse than WTF). And can I just add, in the interests of being fair and balanced: "What the FUCK?!!!"




  • Duncan 2007-02-28 13:02
    There's a lot more in a name than people give credit, and this is just pathetic. DailyWTF had real meaning, something we could relate to. WorseThanFailure? Utter pants...

    Get real, switch back.

    Shame on you...
  • Aunt LJ 2007-02-28 13:11
    Which grandma are you referring to? My mom or your dad's mom? Just curious.

  • ryan 2007-02-28 13:57
    grandma can't handle 'the f-word?' come on it's just some random word! boo on grandmas
  • Feek 2007-02-28 13:58
    [quote user="WIldpeaks"][quote user="Cloaked User"][quote user="fennec"]
    The site's written in .NET (check the URL extension - .aspx), which has a convention of naming methods with an initial capital letter.[/quote]

    No I will not say that it's one more thing they copied from Delphi, I will resist[/quote]

    And I will resist pointing out that the guy who made Delphi also made .NET
  • gc 2007-02-28 14:20
    Ahem: Grandma notwithstanding, here's my guess as to what happened (no, I did not read through 8 pages of comments, so appologies if this has already been said):

    1. Alex started a fun site to mock his own industry
    2. It caught on and grew
    3. Alex recognized the opportunity to generate some ad revenue offset some of the investment in costs and time
    4. One or more advertisers, fully aware of the target audience of this site, got squeamish at the implication of the word f*** in the site title and moaned to Alex
    5. Alex, wanting to expand, not contract his business, made the hard choice of conforming or not, with the expected consequences
    6. Upon announcing the change, the children whined and cried
    7. Life went on, with loyal readers and advertisers staying-the-course (sorry - it really does hurt to use this particular phrase)

    Of course, changing the title doesn't prevent people from using bad words in their posts. Hmmm....

    S*** P*** F*** C*** C***S***** M*****F***** and T*** !!!
    --gc

    Everyone's dad is a M*****F*****!
    --me

  • Feek 2007-02-28 15:12
    gc:

    <snip>
    4. One or more advertisers, fully aware of the target audience of this site, got squeamish at the implication of the word f*** in the site title and moaned to Alex
    5. Alex, wanting to expand, not contract his business, made the hard choice of conforming or not, with the expected consequences
    <snip>


    This is the point at which a successful business decides whether or not to turn down business because, on one hand, it is income, and who doesn't want that? On the other hand, what the customer (in this case, advertisers) demands distracts the company from it's core offering, ultimately driving away customers.

    Personally, I like the old name, and won't stop reading, but I don't have high hopes as to the quality of the site getting much better. It's not the name change, per se, but what the name change is indicative of. Too many times, a decision like this marks a turning point in a company's offerings, usually for the worse. In this case, the site may go on for years to come, but not with the bite that a name like "Daily WTF" connotates. It's precisely the word "Fuck" that causes the contributors to unconsciously feel okay (and possibly go out of their way) in writing their posts in that wonderfully sardonic and irreverent way we love so much.

    It's like the difference between a Sunday car ride and a couple laps around the race track. They're both really great for their intended audiences, but don't expect a fan of one to like doing the other. I'm a race car guy who likes taking it easy once in a while, but I fear this wbesite may have just slowed down a bit too much.

    I don't feel it was an encounter with Grandma that caused this change, but more likely it was one or more advertisers. However, keep this in mind; this website is an entertainment venue, which goes by different rules than the rest of the business world. Whether you hate him or like him, do you really think Johnny Knoxville's resume has been doomed because he had the word "Jackass" on it?
  • BillyBob 2007-02-28 17:46
    Sell out!:
    Another person bows to public pressure. I say fuck at least 60 times a day if not more. Just because it makes people uncomfortable.


    I wish I was that cool ;-)
  • Merus 2007-02-28 17:47
    Has anyone actually tried saying 'The Daily What-the-fuck' out loud to someone? You sound like a tool.

    By taking that problem away from me, I'm very much grateful for the namechange (especially since that they can claim the acronym is a cunning coincidence than a bowdlerisation).

    But anyways, I think this whole thing has convinced me never to use swears in names, because if you try and change it, no matter how much better you might like the new name, people will accuse you of bowdlerising it to suit the Man.
  • Josh 2007-02-28 19:36
    Argh. I'm struggling to remember the new name:

    "dailywtf", no that's not it.
    "worse than fucked?" no, that's not it either. It's some name that didn't have "fuck" in it. Um...
    Oh now google found dailywtf for me. Thanks google!
  • Anonymous 2007-02-28 20:08
    "Hey, check out this website called 'Worse Than Failure'!"

    Yeah, not really marketable.

    And just who are you selling out to? There isn't a demographic that
    A.) isn't familiar with the expression "WTF" and
    B.) understands programming well enough to understand this site.
  • steveg 2007-02-28 20:29
    Personally I'd tighten the spacing in the "Curious..." byline in the logo, it's not easy to read.

    While neither "The Daily WTF" or "Worse Than Failure" give any indication that it's an IT site, it was a link on TheOldNewThing that drew me here, not the name itself, so that's not a deal breaker for me.

    I agree with many previous comments the snigger factor is way down with the new name, and possibly in another direction where it looks like you're trying to pull one over the audience by disguising a well known acronym with a fairly trite title.

    However, there's a difference in spirit in the two names -- if you are planning to change the direction of the site then it's possible you'll lose some readers (maybe me, who knows, I'll wait until it happens).

    Anyway all up, it's your site dude, good luck to you.
  • jmw 2007-02-28 20:33
    JS:
    I for one welcome the name change. Mostly because it has fewer syllables. I hate saying "doubleyou".


    "What" has only one syllable.
  • BillyBob 2007-02-28 20:35
    Name:
    This is censorship at its finest. F in WTF means "fuck" not fudge, failure, fridge or fool. This web site is not dedicated to our granmas, we can say "fuck" here and that's why I liked it here. I don't know if I'll stay any longer, the new name is really so stupid.


    ... to be 15 again...
  • Adrian 2007-02-28 20:35
    You're such a grandmother's boy

    Grow a pair and change it back.
  • Tal 2007-03-01 03:58
    Good move.
    new name is much better.

    Tal.
  • james 2007-03-01 05:36
    pls change it back. the daily wtf was cool
  • Bonafide UberCoder 2007-03-01 10:24
    2 real wtfs:
    - I'm submitting the 450th (or something like that) comment thinking that it will actually be read by anyone.
    - (the real real wtf): So many code monkeys are so endeared to a vulgar word.

    I for one (and I do mean one) am glad I will no longer say, "I don't like the name, but the stories are great".
  • Afuro Kamen 2007-03-01 10:30
    thedailywtf is so much better than this-unbelievable-mutha*******-longer-domain-name.

    this is pathetic.i still can't believe it.

    its like google.com change its name to gsearchengine.com. The feature is the same, but it lost some something. Something that make a site so special.
    ......

    I still can't believe it. Fuck! Out of my bookmark dammit!
  • Emil 2007-03-01 10:41
    Keep the old name. The new name removes the whole essence of the site.
  • Joejo 2007-03-01 11:36
    I'm gone.
    'Worse than Failure'.. no kidding
  • Mangrel 2007-03-01 19:46
    I don't like the new name, but I do still like the site and will continue to subscribe.
  • Thurstan 2007-03-02 04:36
    Let me give a different take on the brand change.

    If any of the advertisers signed up with "The Daily WTF" (N.B. the "advertise" page still uses that name) then by changing the name there is probably a breech of contract! They probably signed up to this site BECAUSE it has a brand name and url that will continue to attract NEW visitors, which the new name will not at anything like the same rate.

    Another problem is that a lack of new visitors should cause a sharply reduced flow in new WTF's to post on the site...the existing people only know so many. Such a lack of new content should cause a second lowering in the eyeballs as the interest level of the site to existing people goes down.
  • Where are teh good articles gone ? 2007-03-02 08:20
    Where is all the old content ?
    there are only 3 lame articles.
  • Rafael 2007-03-02 08:49
    I agree with pretty much everyone else, the old name was much better. It's not about grandma, but your target audience. Besides, most people aren't going to read Worse Than Failure and then piece together that its acronym is WTF.

    It's not too late to change it back.
  • Michael 2007-03-02 11:50
    oh my god! your granny fucking pwns you!

    ok... everybody was shocked, everybody laughed *g*... now change it back!
  • Gerry 2007-03-03 09:02
    You fool! You should have told Grandma with pride that it stood for "What The Fuck"! You are a coward. You had built something to be proud of and then you went and shat all over it's success.

    Some things you didn't know about grandma:
    - she has watched porn
    - she has been to a strip club
    - she has taken drugs
    - she has told very dirty jokes
    - she has tried every sex position in the book
    - she has done as much fucked up shit that you have (most likely more because she is older)
    - she has used the word FUCK thousands of times
    - yes she is old, but she is also a human just like you and everybody else you know and people were not any tamer back in her day. She puts on an act for the grand kids just like all grandparents because she sees you as innocent in the same way you see her.

    Removing this site from my daily list and I won't be adding it back till the name is back.
  • Omar 2007-03-04 14:38
    A way that you could explain "wtf" to your grandparents:

    fubar

    Same concept. They'd understand.
    And by the way, the site's new name is fubar. :P
  • Thomas 2007-03-04 15:30
    Business people while they may be squeamish at times understand profits. If Alex changed the name for business reasons then it stands to reason that he envisions that he’d make more profit with the new name. My suggestion would be to test that assumption. Create a skin of the site under thedailywtf.com using the old logo then track which URL gets more traffic.

    If he changed it for the actual reasons he sited (his grandmother) then it would have been simpler to just tell her that WTF stood for “Worse than failure.” It would have saved the time and money of having to register another domain and create a new logo.
  • maXallion 2007-03-05 09:46
    /not amused
  • b0x0rz 2007-03-06 05:43
    sucks big time :(

    thedailyWTF (btw daily does not necessarily mean once per day, it can also mean every day)

    worse than failure SUX0RZ :(
  • b0x0rz 2007-03-06 05:57
    Ned Flanders:
    You could always just say it stands for "what the fiddilydangdiggily"


    LMFAO i would so love THAT name.

    captcha ATARI (would laugh too)
  • bd 2007-03-20 05:45
    Back from a vacation suddenly noticing the namechange. (And uttering a loud What the Flying Fuck?!?!?!)

    Like many others said before:
    - Old name is way better!
    - Reason for change is sad, pathetic, hypocrite and what not.

    Nothing wrong with the word Fuck. (Listen to 'The F-word')

    You could always explain to Grandma that WTF in theDailyWTF stands for 'Worse than Failure'.

    That said I will continue reading the site, cause the stories makes me smile everyday.
    Hope thedailywtf.com stays forwarding (cause I don't want to update my bookmark), or like mentioned by another reader, maybe you can use both domains with the same content, just a different header.

    Captcha: stinky - Yeah, this smells bad!
  • Shamrod 2007-03-21 16:52
    The name change and the reasoning for it is totally lame and weak.

    "The Daily WTF" was hilarious - it alone made people laugh when I mentioned it. This new name feels more like indulging in stories that make us feel superior. Yuck, I'm embarrassed to mention the name now.
  • john robo 2007-03-29 19:18
    <b style="color:black;background-color:#ffff66">John Robo</b>:
    FUCK YOU!
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    Yay, that isn't actually its name anymore! (I always enjoy commenting on old content I hit via the random article button.)

    p.s. the 'f' totally stands for "frack", everyone knows that. Or "frell", that works too. ("I see you drivin' round town, with the girl I love, and I'm like: "Frack you!")