• (cs) in reply to GalacticCowboy
    GalacticCowboy:
    Clearly TRWTF is "John Smith". C'mon, Alex, can't your name anonymizer come up with something more original?

    Like Joey Joe-Joe Junior Shabadoo.

  • (cs) in reply to GalacticCowboy
    GalacticCowboy:
    Clearly TRWTF is "John Smith". C'mon, Alex, can't your name anonymizer come up with something more original?
    Sure it can.
  • (cs) in reply to el_oscuro
    el_oscuro:
    jordanwb:
    dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M
    Hey, this isn't Unix!

    In Windows, its:

    rd /s c:*

    No, it's

    C:> format C:

    Your "rd" command is equivalent to rm -r -f /, not Jordan's dd.

  • Ed (unregistered) in reply to moltonel
    moltonel:
    Installing and then *uninstalling* the antivirus ? Those things are good enough for curing, but not for preventing ? Or it's known for a fact that nobody will ever receive a virus by mail again ?

    Amazing :)

    Just wait 'till he tries to uninstall Norton.

  • Franz Kafka (unregistered) in reply to dpm
    dpm:
    el_oscuro:
    jordanwb:
    dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M
    Hey, this isn't Unix!

    In Windows, its:

    rd /s c:*

    No, it's

    C:> format C:

    Your "rd" command is equivalent to rm -r -f /, not Jordan's dd.

    No, it's not available - you have to install additional software to properly nuke a hd (or just get a livecd and boot with that)

  • FlyY (unregistered) in reply to NameNotFoundException
    NameNotFoundException:
    bigtuna:
    I love when people say 'oh he/she has been doing it for X years, they know what they're doing.'

    Terrible assumption to make. People can skate by for many years being incompetent.

    Why? I have been driving for years without an airbag and without my seatbelts on, and I've never had an accident.

    Skating and driving are two totally different things, and not to be confused: if you've had a glass too many, in which case the straight sixes you get from the judges might be years, rather than points.

  • FlyY (unregistered) in reply to prof. memals
    prof. memals:
    SpiderX:
    I always love it when people tell me that they don't use an antivirus, and they have never gotten a virus. I like to follow up with "how do you know you never had a virus, if you don't use an antivirus". Most virii don't tell you when you're infected. Anyway, I always use Eset's NOD, and it's caught all kinds of virii.
    Except that the antivirus creates an equal double negative, if the machine running the AV has a new/odd virus that is not detected you assume you are protected.
    Didn't I say that already?
  • AndyC (unregistered) in reply to bjolling
    bjolling:
    I always follow-up smartasses like SpiderX with: "What good is a virus if I don't notice ANY problems at all. No documents corrupted, no programs that stop working, no crashes, no annoying adds popping up, no outgoing connections that I didn't authorize,... What kind of virus do you think I could have without knowing about it?

    Most of the better ones. The aim of a virus is to spread, if it is obvious you're infected immediately it reduces the chances of widespread dissemination.

    Doesn't mean it's not stealing credit card details and/or spamming from your machine, however.

  • Oscar Olim (unregistered) in reply to bigtuna
    bigtuna:
    I love when people say 'oh he/she has been doing it for X years, they know what they're doing.'

    Terrible assumption to make. People can skate by for many years being incompetent.

    Since people do shi* from the day they are born, i guess in this case it fits like a glove :p

  • moz (unregistered) in reply to m0ffx
    m0ffx:
    No, to deserve a blue one needs to be good at sport.
    Maybe, maybe not.
  • (cs) in reply to dpm
    dpm:
    el_oscuro:
    jordanwb:
    dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/sda bs=1M
    Hey, this isn't Unix!

    In Windows, its:

    rd /s c:*

    No, it's

    C:> format C:

    Your "rd" command is equivalent to rm -r -f /, not Jordan's dd.

    Absolutely. For those who remain in any doubt, this is what "rm -r -f /" looks like:

    [image]

    And these are Jordan's DDs:

    [image]
  • (cs) in reply to Jay
    Jay:
    I'm amazed that nobody pointed out yet, that he's talking about an VPN
    Including his idea for an VPN to secure transactions between his and the parent company

    Disclaimer: This post has been made while being completely aware of Muphry's Law and therefore admits there is bound to be some error in this post!

    I believe you meant, "I'm amazed that nobody yet pointed out..."

  • (cs) in reply to SpiderX
    SpiderX:
    I always love it when people tell me that they don't use an antivirus, and they have never gotten a virus. I like to follow up with "how do you know you never had a virus, if you don't use an antivirus". Most virii don't tell you when you're infected. Anyway, I always use Eset's NOD, and it's caught all kinds of virii.

    Viruses. see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Plural_of_virus

  • Piercy (unregistered)

    I am 19 years old, programming now. I started doing real-world tech work at about 16 (after years of dabbling). I cannot believe the ignorance of this guy. At 16 I had more intelligence than him and he is managing a 500 client network!

    Whether the guy is a good friend of the ceo or not.. it would be worth saying to the ceo you think things need reviewing. At least then your not claiming superiority but things would change for the good.

    Especially now that viruses can spread across different forms of media. Just think one infected USB key plugged in and a break out across the network.

  • Paula (unregistered) in reply to Eternal Density
    Eternal Density:
    Not even Paula Bean is beneath Dave.
    Of course not, I have taste.
  • Wyrd (unregistered) in reply to moltonel
    moltonel:
    Installing and then *uninstalling* the antivirus ? Those things are good enough for curing, but not for preventing ? Or it's known for a fact that nobody will ever receive a virus by mail again ?

    Amazing :)

    Weeeell... they'll probably never receive that virus again. You know, Dave probably set the mail servers to block it. Of course that will mean everything will be perfect and fine--that was the last virus they'll ever receive.

    Until, of course, they get the next last virus ever.

    -- Furry cows moo and decompress.

  • Matthew (unregistered)

    TRWTF is not Norton (though it is evil), but that Dave actually went to a Best Buy and bought every box rather than, you know, just licensing one copy for all the machines. I can just imagine someone coming to the checkout with a cart full of of a single piece of software.

  • Jay (unregistered)

    Ever notice that the people who are really arrogant and bossy are usually the ones who are the least competent? The truly smart, capable people that I've worked with have all been quite humble. I'm trying to think of someone I've known who was always loudly bragging about what a genius he was or who insisted that everything must always be done his way and who turned out to really be a genius, and I can only think of one who even came close.

  • the other (unregistered)

    Poor "technicains" !! (And I'm looking at you, Alex!)

  • (cs) in reply to m0ffx
    m0ffx:
    bjolling:
    "What good is a virus if I don't notice ANY problems at all. No documents corrupted, no programs that stop working, no crashes, no annoying adds popping up, no outgoing connections that I didn't authorize,... What kind of virus do you think I could have without knowing about it? <snip> Of course... I know what I'm doing.

    One that's a time bomb ready to delete all your files on (insert date here). Rare but have been done.

    I would probably restore from one of my weekly backups

  • (cs) in reply to AndyC
    AndyC:
    bjolling:
    I always follow-up smartasses like SpiderX with: "What good is a virus if I don't notice ANY problems at all. No documents corrupted, no programs that stop working, no crashes, no annoying adds popping up, no outgoing connections that I didn't authorize,... What kind of virus do you think I could have without knowing about it?

    Most of the better ones. The aim of a virus is to spread, if it is obvious you're infected immediately it reduces the chances of widespread dissemination.

    Doesn't mean it's not stealing credit card details and/or spamming from your machine, however.

    It would never get past my firewall to sent this information to the outside world. I only allow outgoing connections on a case-by-case basis.

  • 3-D (unregistered) in reply to SpiderX

    Best anti-virus is a human brain that doesn't do stupid stuff, automatic execution of any untrusted media or files turned off, and a firewall at the front of the network. Viruses don't inform you they're on your machine, no. But you can tell when things are running slow, or you get a call from your ISP, etc.

    You can also find tools that don't require an install (and suck up system resources) to be run to check if you suspect a virus.

    Of course, I've had virus protected machines at customers manifest all said symptoms at a customer before, and found them to be completely infected.

    I don't use av on my machine, haven't in about 9 years, and haven't gotten infected in that time either. On customers I always install it since I expect average users to always be stupid, but I have no illusions of it stopping everything. Sooner or later, if the user's dumb about computers (which is highly likely), you're going to be doing a manual cleaning. AV or no AV.

    I just don't like sucking up resources on my own machine to run something that's trumped by a little free knowledge.

  • (cs) in reply to 3-D
    3-D:
    Best anti-virus is a human brain that doesn't do stupid stuff
    *sigh*, yes, maybe so, but alas it turns out in practice that that solution does not scale to the whole human race. Hence the need for training wheels.
  • Some Jerk (unregistered)

    Submitted for your approval, I would like to offer a new corporate policy for all you immensly experienced network admins and CIOs. Lets learn nothing new from this point forward, and erase all of our previous knowledge as well. Lets give everyone public IP addresses, and disable all firewalls. Lets encourage our employees to find freeware versions of software they need to do their jobs or perhaps even use bittorrent to download jacked copies. Lets rely on everybody's fear of me to protect our networks from those viruses and hacking... because everybody knows that I have 500 years of experience in networks and I'll just put the smack down on them.

    CAPTCHA: sagaciter (a yummy drink created by placing a soap opera star in a blendor for five minutes and mixing with apple?)

  • Yanman (unregistered)

    Well...John didn't say anything to Dave yet, so Dave might still be full of himself, as he doesn't know John knows...

  • (cs) in reply to Anon
    Anon:
    This was immediately to John when he pitched Dave on setting up a VPN during a conference call.

    This was immediately what to John?

    The answer is obvious!

  • spinlock (unregistered) in reply to bigtuna

    Seriously, you'd that that after x/10 years they would have been promoted out of that job if they were at all competent.

  • galt (unregistered) in reply to bigtuna

    Ye olde saying: twenty years of experience is not the same as one year of experience twenty times over. If you fail to learn from experience, you're just a n00b with twenty years under their belt

    bigtuna:
    I love when people say 'oh he/she has been doing it for X years, they know what they're doing.'

    Terrible assumption to make. People can skate by for many years being incompetent.

  • Been There-Got Fired for being RIGHT! (unregistered)

    Yep. Warned. Cajoled. Begged. And even Pleaded. All to no avail. When exactly what I predicted happened, I was summarily dismissed by the "Dave" at my old company, right before he got canned.

    John's lucky he didn't get fired--or worse, BLAMED and CHARGED with criminal mischief. That was what I was threatened with if I fought my dismissal.

    Nope, There's nothing like being criminally right.

  • Rich (unregistered) in reply to ObiWayneKenobi
    ObiWayneKenobi:
    I love dealing with idiots like this. These people usually know jack shit but are in a position of power because they're good friends with the owner/CEO (typically they are family but not always, such as in this case).

    This kind of person never does anything good for a company but would throw a tantrum that would make a 5-year old blush if they were ever overruled and/or let go like they should be.

    I've had the curious and rare pleasure of seeing one of these ejected from the premises a few years ago. A coworker who was late into work saw him crying in his car a mile up the road.

  • Rich (unregistered) in reply to DaveK
    DaveK:
    3-D:
    Best anti-virus is a human brain that doesn't do stupid stuff
    *sigh*, yes, maybe so, but alas it turns out in practice that that solution does not scale to the whole human race. Hence the need for training wheels.
    ...for everyone.

    There's a better way: don't employ idiots.

  • (nodebb)

    "No, putting Norton on the machines in the first place was "tantamount to admitting he's a clueless noob". "

    Nope, according to him, it was the fault of whoever opened the fake email.

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