Documentation by Sticky Note

  • eznme 2013-07-08 06:45
    Frist is 'deadline' in german

    capture validus: so true.
  • Dogsworth 2013-07-08 06:46
    He couldn't have gotten a free word processor before that?
  • Pippo 2013-07-08 06:50
    Whats wrong with Notepad?

    CAPTCHA: odio, oh well
  • Truckers delight 2013-07-08 06:57
    Dogsworth:
    He couldn't have gotten a free word processor before that?


    Are you trying to ruin this shit_that_didn't_happen.txt with common sense?
  • HerrDerSchatten 2013-07-08 06:58
    This reminds me of my girlfriends new job. They have the best computers you can buy at apple - but they are too cheap to buy Office. Currently they are toying around with libre office and my Girlfriend burned a full day for a task, which had been 5 Minutes with MSO or the apple pendant. This time alone cost more than an MSO license for the whole firm...
    Additionally: The CEO does not like windows because it is "too slow" - and then constantly points at the one PC at the office who runs Windows and constantly crashes.
    My girlfriend examined the PC: Windows XP with no service pack, old as hell and on C:\ there are 500 Bytes of disk space free, while D:\ has 500Gb available...
  • Dhamp 2013-07-08 07:02
    ...

    So it was a physical version of every QMS over 3 months old?
  • anonymous_coder() 2013-07-08 07:03
    Ah, the 'big idea' business owners. Who are terrified that someone will steal their 'big idea' and leave them with nothing.

    Worked for too many of them, and have the grey hairs, receding hairline, and ulcers to prove it.

    Give me project managers, and QA, and development milestones, and HR, and a real office with computer desks and working A/C any day.

    captcha: iusto, as in iusto work for people like this...
  • olaf 2013-07-08 07:08
    So whats wrong with Wordpad? The one supplied with Windows 7/8 covers most of Words most-used features anyway...
  • Bob 2013-07-08 07:08
    What are they going to do with Word specifically? Insert pictures of sticky notes on whiteboards?

    If they're on Windows 8 then there's a lot of other (free!) platforms available much better suited to documentation.
  • DaveK 2013-07-08 07:11
    Bob:
    What are they going to do with Word specifically? Insert pictures of sticky notes on whiteboards?
    Clearly they should move the sticky notes from the whiteboards to a wooden table.
  • Bob 2013-07-08 07:16
    Documentation in Word? I'd have fired her.

    Also, is it Jason or Ross?
  • Balu 2013-07-08 07:16
    HerrDerSchatten:
    my Girlfriend burned a full day and now she's blaming LibreOffice for it


    FTFY.
  • ubersoldat 2013-07-08 07:22
    Nothing better for work confidence than finding your manager/product owner/ceo crying in a corner for a bunch of post-its.

    Would I be crazy to think this is how Peter Molyneux started?

    Oh! And the name of the game is Duke Nukem Forever 2.
  • ObiWayneKenobi 2013-07-08 07:22
    The Real WTF here is taking the job without finding out what they are actually developing; asking some basic questions in the interview would have probably shown all the red flags.

    Dev: "So tell me what you're developing? What kind of game?"

    Clueless Moron Owner: Umm... well it has big guns in it. And lots of action!

    Dev: So you have no idea at all? Thanks, but no thanks. Call me back when you actually have some clue what you're doing.
  • Anonymous Paranoiac 2013-07-08 08:02
    ObiWayneKenobi:
    The Real WTF here is taking the job without finding out what they are actually developing; asking some basic questions in the interview would have probably shown all the red flags.

    Dev: "So tell me what you're developing? What kind of game?"

    Clueless Moron Owner: Umm... well it has big guns in it. And lots of action!

    Dev: So you have no idea at all? Thanks, but no thanks. Call me back when you actually have some clue what you're doing.


    Probably went more like:
    Wide-Eyed College Grad: You mean I can get in on the ground floor of the next Valve?

    Clueless Moron Owner: That's right! In fact, we're currently working on the next blockbuster game title!

    Wide-Eyed College Grad: Wow, that's amazing! Can you tell me more about it?

    Clueless Moron Owner: Well, you know, with all the corporate espionage in this industry, I can't reveal too much (*whispers* We had a guy from UbiSoft snooping around here just last week...), but I *can* tell you, it will have big guns and lots of action!

    Wide-Eyed College Grad: *gasp* When can I sign up??
  • M-x org-mode 2013-07-08 08:04
    I suppose that some anonymization was made and Word stays for more costly software.

    To take notes one could use a simple editor, or a rater complex editor like emacs that has modes specifically made to take notes and to-do list. Emacs is free as speech and runs from almost any operating system.

    Or, if tou're 2.0 and like sticky notes, there's Google Keep...
  • Mike 2013-07-08 08:07
    Say you update office every 3 years. That works out to about $0.50 a day per person that does documentation. If the documentation isn't worth that to you then it shouldn't be worth it to pay their salaries either.

    To beat the same drum as everyone else: notepad, wordpad, LaTex, LibreOffice etc etc.
  • HerrDerSchatten 2013-07-08 08:25
    Nope - she burned a day because Libre Office Impress cannot groupd shapes together, so that aligning them is a pain.
    Also, it series printing function is crap.
  • eViLegion 2013-07-08 08:26
    M-x org-mode:
    I suppose that some anonymization was made and Word stays for more costly software.

    To take notes one could use a simple editor, or a rater complex editor like emacs that has modes specifically made to take notes and to-do list. Emacs is free as speech and runs from almost any operating system.

    Or, if tou're 2.0 and like sticky notes, there's Google Keep...


    What?

    Seriously?

    What?
  • John 2013-07-08 08:33
    HerrDerSchatten:
    Libre Office Impress cannot groupd shapes together.

    https://help.libreoffice.org/Impress/Modify#Group
    Unless you actually meant "groupd", and that's some sort of grouping daemon that is somehow related to MS Office.
  • EvilSnack 2013-07-08 08:33
    We should define a string table for our comments. It could save us some typing.

    STRINGTABLE
    BEGIN
    IDS_FRIST "FRIST!"
    IDS_DISBELIEF_SUSPENDED "The following comment assumes this all really happened as we are being led to believe."
    IDS_TDPHB "This looks just like another daily pointy-haired boss."
    IDS_TYPICAL_STARTUP "Another brush with a half-assed start-up."
    IDS_SPARTACUS "I'm %s!"
    IDS_LIFE_OF_BRIAN "I'm %s, and so's my wife!"
    END

    MessageBox(IDS_DISBELIEF_SUSPENDED);
    MessageBox(IDS_TYPICAL_STARTUP);

    Captcha veniam: "Not the artery, but the veniam."
  • Billy T 2013-07-08 08:36
    Theres a little known editor that comes with all new Windows computers free of charge called Paint that allows you to put images, text even shapes into documents. Its hidden away in the accessories page of the start menu but it is on every Windows computer i have ever worked with. it took me a bit longer to master it than word or excel but now i am reaping the rewards.

    like i said its absolutely free you dont need ms office to run it and it has its own text input box to write text. Unlike word and excel you can put text and images wherever you want on the page. there are literally no rules you can even make text overlap and draw freehand and the document can be expanded to whatever size you want. also unlike word documents even people with macbooks can open paint documents you email them. if you are beginner at IT I would say learn word and excel first (although excel is really optional depending on what kind of work you are doing, use the right tool for the right job)
  • English Man 2013-07-08 08:36
    Who is Jason?
  • Julia 2013-07-08 08:38
    When the owner, an old man named Brad, had offered her a position after spotting her in a student computer lab, she thought he was crazy


    TRWTF - this. If they seem crazy even before you start working for them, you really think it's going to get better?
  • Billy T 2013-07-08 08:39
    HerrDerSchatten:
    Nope - she burned a day because Libre Office Impress cannot groupd shapes together, so that aligning them is a pain.
    Also, it series printing function is crap.


    has she tried microsoft paint? it has shapes and you can move things easily and print. not sure what you mean by grouping shapes together. do you mean something to do with the copy paste?
  • pjt33 2013-07-08 08:54
    ubersoldat:
    Would I be crazy to think this is how Peter Molyneux started?

    Yes. He started exporting baked beans. There's a highly entertaining video where he talks about it somewhere (IGN?)
  • AnonCoward23 2013-07-08 09:10
    I've been grouping shapes with LibreOffice back when it was still called StarOffice, in the 1990s.
  • HerrDerSchatten 2013-07-08 09:24
    Paint whould even more time - did you never buld rather complex presentations?
  • C-Derb 2013-07-08 09:38
    Google Docs??
  • ¯\(°_o)/¯ I DUNNO LOL 2013-07-08 10:01
    Pippo:
    Whats wrong with Notepad?
    Because you can't rearrange the pages without ripping them out first, silly! Also, they still won't stick to anything.

    He should have upgraded to Cork Board and Push Pins. Now that's some cutting edge humidity-resistant technology!
  • michael 2013-07-08 10:09
    I started for a very high-flying investment w^Hbank in 2008 working on one of their trading systems.
    Me: "Oh, where is the documentation so I know what's going on?"
    Colleague David:"Ah. Do you have an A4 sheet for me, so I can draw how it all hangs together".
  • RichE 2013-07-08 10:13
    I once worked for an engineering firm whose President (doctorate) ignored the white-boards and wrote his notes directly on the wall. They were moisture resistant, but edits would have required a drywall saw.
  • Matt 2013-07-08 10:20
    Let me guess--the money he had budgeted for Office went to cocaine instead?
  • trtrwtf 2013-07-08 10:23
    Bob:
    Documentation in Word? I'd have fired her.


    Damn straight. If you need to generate customer-facing prettydocs, Flare works great. If you're doing internal-facing stuff, preserving institutional memory against the inevitable "Jim gets hired by a bus/hit by google" scenario, then often a well-curated wiki will be the best thing.

    Using Word for documentation is indeed the real WTF
  • da Doctah 2013-07-08 10:54
    Didn't know what the title of the game was? Me either, but I'm guessing it's something like "Delude Yourself Into Believing That You're Actually Creating Something".
  • anotherusername 2013-07-08 10:56
    trtrwtf:
    Bob:
    Documentation in Word? I'd have fired her.


    Damn straight. If you need to generate customer-facing prettydocs, Flare works great. If you're doing internal-facing stuff, preserving institutional memory against the inevitable "Jim gets hired by a bus/hit by google" scenario, then often a well-curated wiki will be the best thing.

    Using Word for documentation is indeed the real WTF
    I'm going to play the devil's advocate here.

    Anita was a developer. It wasn't her job to know what Flare is, or even how a wiki works, unless she was told "the documentation is in Flare/this wiki, here is how you access it". It was her job to read whatever form of documentation was provided and turn it into code.

    Naturally, she would have picked up an idea of how it's supposed to be done if she worked at a properly-organized company for a while, but she was fresh out of college, so it's hardly fair to expect her to be the expert. She didn't know what documentation tools exist. All she knew was the Post-Its sucked.

    If the boss man didn't have anyone who knew that his Post-Its are fucking retarded (and using Word would have been almost as bad), it's really his fault for not hiring that person. But, given his affinity for Post-Its even when told they were impossible, he probably didn't want to hire that person.
  • 3.3 Million 2013-07-08 11:03
    I don't Brad was actually Tim Schaffer.
  • 3.3 Million 2013-07-08 11:04
    Matt:
    Let me guess--the money he had budgeted for Office went to cocaine instead?


    3.3 Million:
    I don't Brad was actually Tim Schaffer.


    Meant to quote, not reply.
  • trtrwtf 2013-07-08 11:11
    anotherusername:
    I'm going to play the devil's advocate here.

    Anita was a developer. It wasn't her job to know what Flare is, or even how a wiki works, unless she was told "the documentation is in Flare/this wiki, here is how you access it". It was her job to read whatever form of documentation was provided and turn it into code.


    Okay, I'll buy that. Even Word would be better than the post-it system, that's true enough.
  • Dan 2013-07-08 11:48
    anotherusername:
    Anita was a developer. It wasn't her job to know what Flare is, or even how a wiki works, unless she was told "the documentation is in Flare/this wiki, here is how you access it". It was her job to read whatever form of documentation was provided and turn it into code.

    I have 15 years experience as a software engineer and I don't know what Flare is. But I do know several wiki-like documentation systems. It most definitely is a developer's job to write documentation - especially technical documentation that has implementation specifics, but usually you have to assist some in writing the specification too (because the business team never has their shit together and doesn't know how to logically think through any scenario).
  • cellocgw 2013-07-08 12:09
    My guess: Brad is a former athlete who won a very important game with blood all over his sock.

    (For those who can't guess, hint: BoSox; and his game company not only went bust but nearly dragged an entire state gov't down with it)
  • Resa 2013-07-08 12:19
    Come on. How do you code in Unity and not know what the game is doing? Why not use Open Office? I call bull!
  • Hot 2013-07-08 12:42
    So an old guy finds a female college student in a classroom/lab and takes her back to his garage? I'm pretty sure I've seen pr0n like that.
  • Mason Wheeler 2013-07-08 12:55
    cellocgw:
    My guess: Brad is a former athlete who won a very important game with blood all over his sock.

    (For those who can't guess, hint: BoSox; and his game company not only went bust but nearly dragged an entire state gov't down with it)


    A friend of mine was actually part of that. He's a veteran developer who'd been a lead at Blizzard for several years, and knows the game industry really well. I talked with him a while back about how that all went down, and to hear him talk, they were basically doing everything right, and the company ended up failing because the state investors screwed them over and they ended up not getting money that they'd been promised.
  • plaidfluff 2013-07-08 13:12
    Y'know, in the real world of game development, you usually don't even have a title until you're starting to show it off to the press. Sometimes at that point it's still just a working title, even. Knowing the title of a game doesn't really help with the development of it. You should be designing to a design doc, not to a title.

    And yeah, if you have a problem with collaborative documentation management and decide to use Word, now you have two problems. Go with something DESIGNED for that, like a wiki. MediaWiki is pretty powerful and completely free.
  • herby 2013-07-08 13:16
    Of course the great solution I like is "cork board" and "push pins", as mentioned before. If you are REAL cheap, you can use the office wall (drywall) instead of the cork board. You do end up with a bunch of holes in the wall, but they are small, and can be easily filled for the next customer. As for the sticky notes, it is probably a good idea to at minimum put a date one each one.

    Many low cost solutions.

    p.s. Good AC maintenance is always a good idea.
  • Kuba 2013-07-08 13:18
    plaidfluff:
    And yeah, if you have a problem with collaborative documentation management and decide to use Word, now you have two problems. Go with something DESIGNED for that, like a wiki. MediaWiki is pretty powerful and completely free.
    For all of its cloud-related shortcomings, even using a google docs spreadsheet would be a big win over both stickies and word.
  • radarbob 2013-07-08 13:27
    Happens. One time, at band camop... well, one time at a certain FUBAR coding shop; coding tools were "whatever we can find on the internet." They did not even standardize that.
  • A flatus was just released. 2013-07-08 13:53
    3.3 Million:
    I don't Brad was actually Tim Schaffer.

    I think you accidentally the whole thing.
  • Vlad Patryshev 2013-07-08 14:18
    Kanban board, right? Works in may companies these days.

    Personally I have 7 stickers attached to my monitor; and I've been practicing it for years now, doing it even for my home remodeling projects.

    As to MS Word, it sucks from the very beginning, does not it? Wiki, otoh, is a good solution.

    But you know the advantage of yellow stickers? They stick until you are done, then you just throw them out. Pretty efficient, especially for personal use.
  • Matt Westwood 2013-07-08 14:23
    What's wrong with $\LaTeX$?
  • jay 2013-07-08 14:47
    Mike:
    Say you update office every 3 years. That works out to about $0.50 a day per person that does documentation. If the documentation isn't worth that to you then it shouldn't be worth it to pay their salaries either.


    Absolutely true, but I've worked for plenty of companies that can't grasp that elementary logic.

    Supposing you're paying your programmers just $15 per hour. If you can get remotely competent people for less than that, please don't tell my boss. Suppose a programmer asks for a piece of software that costs $500 and, after studying the matter, you conclude that it will only save 1 hour per week. Even in that close-to-worst-case scenario, the software will pay for itself in 9 months.

    But companies often just don't see it that way. They just see "extra expense". They figure that they're paying the programmer anyway, so that's a sunk cost and doesn't count, but this additional expense is "real money".

    I've had plenty of times when I've had to beg and plead to get tools that cost a few hundred dollars. And often I'd beg and plead and still be told no.

    I wonder if other professions go through this. Like, if a delivery man said, "Hey boss, you know, rather than me carrying merchandise all over town on foot, it would really help if the company bought a truck ..." Do they tell him that this is an unacceptable expense and he should just learn to run faster while carrying thousand-pound loads? Tell him that, maybe, they'll consider buying him a little red wagon to carry the stuff around in? Yes, I'm being deliberately ridiculous, but I wonder if there are examples like that in other professions.
  • jay 2013-07-08 14:51
    Wow, someone suggests writing documentation in Word rather than on sticky notes pasted to a whiteboard, and the response is to debate whether Word is the best possible tool for the job? If you can't convince the boss to buy a copy of Word, do you think you're going to convince him to buy some fancy tool?

    Seriously, I've written plenty of documentation in Word. Is it the best possible tool in a collaborative, fast-moving environment? No? Is it adequate in a typical environment? Yes. At least I've always found it so.

    There's an old saying: Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.
  • Matt 2013-07-08 15:09
    HerrDerSchatten:

    My girlfriend examined the PC: Windows XP with no service pack, old as hell and on C:\ there are 500 Bytes of disk space free, while D:\ has 500Gb available...


    I don't not believe that.

    At my company, for reasons known only to 1 person who will not change the build image, our PCs are set so there's 1 HDD which is 250gb in size. 20gb is given to C: and the rest is unallocated / D:.

    Why? "that's all they neeed"

    What about when they try to save stuff locally? "they shouldn't."

    No, but they do. They're users. They don't always use the network drives. "they shouldn't."

    No, I know, but ... they're users. They /do/. Why not just... it's just wasted space???!! "they shouldn't.

    Fine, I'll go spend 20 mins deleting profiles and temp files and stuff. "you shouldn't have to"

    No, but I do, because of service packs, patches and new software, Windows 7 can't really 'run' on 20gb, not efficiently. "you shouldn't have to"

    ....

    In the end I got the night shift to, where requested, change partition sizes to fill the remaining 230gb of unused space.
  • skotl 2013-07-08 15:24
    I think many of you are missing the point that this story has been embellished beyond all reason.

    This TDWTF once met the original story, albeit very briefly. Then this TDWTF got on a bus and traveled 1,100 miles away from the original story.
    Then (ahh...!) this TDWTF met another story, settled down, bought a small house and they had many little stories together. Possibly even a poem.

    Then, after many years, this TDWTF turned up on these hallowed pages and presented itself to us all. By then, of course, any resemblance to original stories, living or deceased, was only fleeting.
  • themagni 2013-07-08 17:09
    jay:

    I wonder if other professions go through this.


    Yes, but it's still almost always about software.
  • s73v3r 2013-07-08 17:22
    olaf:
    So whats wrong with Wordpad? The one supplied with Windows 7/8 covers most of Words most-used features anyway...


    At the same time, if he's not willing to invest in a few software licenses to make his staff's lives easier, then I can't imagine he's willing to spend money in other areas. Like benefits and salary, for one.
  • s73v3r 2013-07-08 17:23
    ubersoldat:
    Nothing better for work confidence than finding your manager/product owner/ceo crying in a corner for a bunch of post-its.

    Would I be crazy to think this is how Peter Molyneux started?

    Oh! And the name of the game is Duke Nukem Forever 2.


    If that was where all the information about the game was, then I can understand the crying.

    I can only hope he learned his lesson about keeping things backed up and stuff.
  • s73v3r 2013-07-08 17:26
    Julia:
    When the owner, an old man named Brad, had offered her a position after spotting her in a student computer lab, she thought he was crazy


    TRWTF - this. If they seem crazy even before you start working for them, you really think it's going to get better?


    She was apparently fresh out of college. Unfortunately many new grads don't have their bullshit meters properly calibrated.
  • s73v3r 2013-07-08 17:28
    trtrwtf:
    Bob:
    Documentation in Word? I'd have fired her.


    Damn straight. If you need to generate customer-facing prettydocs, Flare works great. If you're doing internal-facing stuff, preserving institutional memory against the inevitable "Jim gets hired by a bus/hit by google" scenario, then often a well-curated wiki will be the best thing.

    Using Word for documentation is indeed the real WTF


    Given how non-technical this guy seems, do you really think he'd know what the hell a Wiki is?

    Anyways, I'm pretty sure her point was to get the notes/documentation off of the sticky notes and into something digital and readable
  • Mason Wheeler 2013-07-08 17:37
    s73v3r:
    trtrwtf:
    Bob:
    Documentation in Word? I'd have fired her.


    Damn straight. If you need to generate customer-facing prettydocs, Flare works great. If you're doing internal-facing stuff, preserving institutional memory against the inevitable "Jim gets hired by a bus/hit by google" scenario, then often a well-curated wiki will be the best thing.

    Using Word for documentation is indeed the real WTF


    Given how non-technical this guy seems, do you really think he'd know what the hell a Wiki is?


    Of course: it's the thing that runs that Internet encyclopedia!
  • Darth Paul 2013-07-08 17:47
    Vlad Patryshev:

    Personally I have 7 stickers attached to my monitor; and I've been practicing it for years now, doing it even for my home remodeling projects.


    Even better, Windows has electronic sticky notes - tree-efficient and the best of both worlds!

    Even so, I can't seem to break my pre-Vista habit of right-clicking todo.txt into existence on my desktop and using Notepad. I guess I am a bit inflexible.
  • Vehsyrtap Dalv 2013-07-08 17:50
    Vlad Patryshev:
    But you know the advantage of yellow stickers? They stick until they fall down, then you're done. Pretty efficient, especially for everything.

    FTFY.

    Captcha jugis: continual, ceaseless, perennial, constant.
  • Sam 2013-07-08 18:12
    jay:
    If you can't convince the boss to buy a copy of Word, do you think you're going to convince him to buy some fancy tool?

    Of course not. You install your favourite GPL'd wiki and don't bother telling him.

    If there's no competent technical leadership on the team to make that call (and the other far more technical calls that Brad can't / won't), then it doesn't matter because you'll never ship anything anyway.

    The issue isn't that Anita didn't organise a wiki - she's a fresh grad - the issue is that *no-one* did.
  • Dominic 2013-07-08 19:58
    "If you can’t do your job with the tools you have, what kind of a programmer does that make you?”

    I believe the answer to that one is "professional"
  • Ken Mitchell 2013-07-08 22:03
    LibreOffice, WebIssues and GanttProject, and you're good to go. Total cost: the download time that it takes to drink a cup of coffee.
  • Jay 2013-07-09 00:49
    olaf:
    So whats wrong with Wordpad? The one supplied with Windows 7/8 covers most of Words most-used features anyway...
    Well, if you're the type of person who has no need for styles, fields, headers, footers, tables, cross-references, indexes, table of contents, paragraph numbering, tracking changes, spell check, grammar check, document variables, VBA, mail merge, citations, autotext, columns, templates and so on then yes, WordPad will work for you.

    Oh, what am I saying. A post complaining about Word (or word processors) was likely to have been written by a monkey banging on a keyboard - or a human who could be mistaken for one.

    WordPad is ok for YOU, monkey-boy, some of us actually know what we're doing.
  • heh 2013-07-09 03:00
    there are plenty of free programes that will create post it notes on computer. in fact the notes are even yellow to make them look more like post-it notes.

    and if post-its were enough for boss (as it seems that's how he organised his thoughs) then wordpad/notepad or whatever simpel text editor would be enough on computer.

    furthermore, as others mentioned quite a few good free DMS or bug tracking/idea tracking software (such as the one for launchpad) exist that will make documentation more coherent. and as last option wiki and similar seem like a good option.

    there are so many free alternatives out there.

    @libre office - to me it seems like MS office 2003 only enhanced. it has many functions of later MS offices but it does things differently. so for peopel that never used MS word 2003 or earlier it might be confusing.

    OMG there is no ribbon!!!
  • Gill Bates 2013-07-09 03:48
    Oh please. Libre Office is a toy. It has tons of useless features, and yet isn't half as useful as the 13 year old MSO 2000.
    Yet every time someone complains about it, the reply is "shut up because it's free". Genius!
  • Moo Cow 2013-07-09 04:42
    Matt:

    At my company, for reasons known only to 1 person who will not change the build image, our PCs are set so there's 1 HDD which is 250gb in size. 20gb is given to C: and the rest is unallocated / D:.

    Why? "that's all they neeed"

    What about when they try to save stuff locally? "they shouldn't."

    No, but they do. They're users. They don't always use the network drives. "they shouldn't."

    That's what ACLs are for. While my workplace does have rather tenous security policies and occasionally allows users to user theirs local harddisk (instead of increasing the quota), normally all local data (except for auto-cleaned /tmp) is read-only for non-root users.
  • eViLegion 2013-07-09 05:19
    Moo Cow:
    That's what ACLs are for. While my workplace does have rather tenous security policies and occasionally allows users to user theirs local harddisk (instead of increasing the quota), normally all local data (except for auto-cleaned /tmp) is read-only for non-root users.


    Eugh... what the shit is going on at everyone else's jobs? How aren't you roshambo-ing your bosses constantly?

    Everywhere I've worked, I've had full rights over my machine, and can install anything for which I have a license (e.g., the free stuff). I will also get a licence purchased for me if I make request for something backed up with a genuine business case.

    Hell, we had 2 days where we all split into teams of 4 and had to "make a game" in that time. I asked for some software for that and got it, and that was just for 2 days of messing around... it has never been used since.

    I'll smug off now.
  • ReallyStupidGuy 2013-07-09 09:32
    So they where working agile with a kanban board, what is wrong with that?

  • P.H.B. 2013-07-09 09:36
    plaidfluff:
    Y'know, in the real world of game development, you usually don't even have a title until you're starting to show it off to the press. Sometimes at that point it's still just a working title, even. Knowing the title of a game doesn't really help with the development of it. You should be designing to a design doc, not to a title.


    The name is the first phase! If you don't have a name how will you know what ti make?!
  • Xarthaneon the Unclear 2013-07-09 10:52
    olaf:
    So whats wrong with Wordpad? The one supplied with Windows 7/8 covers most of Words most-used features anyway...


    I was about to suggest this. Of course, this story is so bizarre it has to be fiction.

    ...right?
  • Rollyn01 2013-07-09 11:08
    Xarthaneon the Unclear:
    olaf:
    So whats wrong with Wordpad? The one supplied with Windows 7/8 covers most of Words most-used features anyway...


    I was about to suggest this. Of course, this story is so bizarre it has to be fiction.

    ...right?


    Possibly... Then again, it might be more likely that they wasn't the newest in M$ shop of horrors they call operating systems.
  • Jazz 2013-07-09 13:30
    anotherusername:
    If the boss man didn't have anyone who knew that his Post-Its are fucking retarded (and using Word would have been almost as bad), it's really his fault for not hiring that person. But, given his affinity for Post-Its even when told they were impossible, he probably didn't want to hire that person.


    You forget that, by virtue of being a boss in the first place, he's supposed to already know that his Post-Its are fucking retarded. He shouldn't need to hire someone to tell him what's in front of his face.

    If you're a manager and you don't already know what you need to know, then you shouldn't be a manager, for the same reason that you don't hire developers who don't know how to program, or house painters who don't know how to paint, or line cooks who don't know how to cook.
  • Jazz 2013-07-09 13:40
    jay:
    Wow, someone suggests writing documentation in Word rather than on sticky notes pasted to a whiteboard, and the response is to debate whether Word is the best possible tool for the job? If you can't convince the boss to buy a copy of Word, do you think you're going to convince him to buy some fancy tool?

    Seriously, I've written plenty of documentation in Word. Is it the best possible tool in a collaborative, fast-moving environment? No? Is it adequate in a typical environment? Yes. At least I've always found it so.

    There's an old saying: Don't let the perfect be the enemy of the good.


    I don't think this is a matter of Word being "the good" and other tools being argued to be "the perfect." I think this is a matter of "why buy a $500 chainsaw when what I need is a $2 screwdriver?"

    Office is expensive and stubborn. LibreOffice is cheap and stubborn. Notepad is cheap and bare-bones. Wikis are cheap, flexible, and fairly feature-rich. There shouldn't need to be a debate over which solution, if any, is "perfect," when it's immediately apparent that one of the solutions are horrible. Literally any solution other than buying Office will be roughly as functional and hundreds of dollars cheaper. It should be a no-brainer.
  • Dominic 2013-07-09 14:41
    Resa:
    Come on. How do you code in Unity and not know what the game is

    1. The crazy boss threatens to fire you if you don't commit code.
    2. You do it.
  • anotherusername 2013-07-09 15:36
    Jazz:
    anotherusername:
    If the boss man didn't have anyone who knew that his Post-Its are fucking retarded (and using Word would have been almost as bad), it's really his fault for not hiring that person. But, given his affinity for Post-Its even when told they were impossible, he probably didn't want to hire that person.


    You forget that, by virtue of being a boss in the first place, he's supposed to already know that his Post-Its are fucking retarded. He shouldn't need to hire someone to tell him what's in front of his face.

    If you're a manager and you don't already know what you need to know, then you shouldn't be a manager, for the same reason that you don't hire developers who don't know how to program, or house painters who don't know how to paint, or line cooks who don't know how to cook.
    If that was the whole picture, then a whole slew of vocations wouldn't need to exist: lawyers, stockbrokers, scientists, statisticians, economists, sociologists, meteorologists, talent scouts, etc.

    There is some point of balance between what a manager needs to know (or learn!) vs. what they should hire someone for. A manager who knows too little is an expensive figurehead. If the manager knows too much, their employees will feel like their knowledge is under-utilised because of their boss's micro-management.

    Of course, the idea that anyone would need to be told that sticky notes are not an effective communication tool for messages of non-trivial complexity is what makes the story entertaining. The concept applies in many cases, but becomes quite comical at the extreme where the boss is virtually brain-dead and hires people to do all of his thinking for him.
  • olddog 2013-07-09 19:23
    I went paperless years ago. Nowadays, I write notes directly onto my desk with a pencil. The writing tends to wear off after time, which is also about the same time I no longer need them. Important notes get written near the monitor base or under the keyboard.
  • heh 2013-07-10 03:18
    Gill Bates:
    Oh please. Libre Office is a toy. It has tons of useless features, and yet isn't half as useful as the 13 year old MSO 2000.
    Yet every time someone complains about it, the reply is "shut up because it's free". Genius!


    well my reply is going to be that we had no problem editing a 240 page book in writer with pictures, various types of fonts, paragraphs, styles and numbering. it worked quite well. and it was fast. and PDF export feature compressed it really well.

    i guess you know the origins of Open and then Libre office, how the original Sun's office was developed in sync with MS office and then later all about the lawsuit against MS when they basically stole its features and didn't implement compatibility as agreed??

    anyway i use both. don't see too much difference. especially in writer. i will not complain. if you don't like it. i will just say use what works for you. but then again i started to brush my editing skills with MS wordstar 3.0 and for graphs the quatropro was a standard at that time... so no wonder LO is fine for me :-)

    i still remember the complaints people had about ribbon in 2008.

    anyway there are also Kingoffice (which lokos like MS office) and Another LO/OO version with a very different interface. forgot what is called but i think it came from IBM's Lotus notes.
  • Pedantic 2013-07-10 05:56
    HerrDerSchatten:
    My girlfriend examined the PC: Windows XP with no service pack, old as hell and on C:\ there are 500 Bytes of disk space free, while D:\ has 500Gb available...


    Nice story bro... but I call BS. "Free space" is calculated in clusters, which are groups of sectors. Sectors are typically 512 bytes in size. Clusters of sectors, even on old 5.25 inch floppy disks, were at least 2 sectors in size. On FAT-formatted hard drives, more sectors per cluster are used.

    The real WTF is that you claimed 500 bytes. That's less than a sector worth. The FAT file system used by Windows doesn't cater for sub-sector space allocation.
  • Gunslnger 2013-07-10 07:04
    What the hell's wrong with using Notepad++, or even Notepad or Wordpad if you're really stuck?
  • Ken B 2013-07-10 13:51
    Bob:
    What are they going to do with Word specifically? Insert pictures of sticky notes on whiteboards?
    Everyone knows you don't take pictures of sticky notes on whiteboards! You always place them on a wooden desk first!
  • Ken B 2013-07-10 14:11
    Anonymous Paranoiac:
    Clueless Moron Owner: That's right! In fact, we're currently working on the next blockbuster game title!
    Which he meant literally -- they are working on the title.
  • Inigo Montoya 2013-07-10 14:54
    Ironically, we currently use a software application called 'Trello' for all our software development project management and bug tracking where I work, which essentially is like a virtual board of sticky notes :O
  • Sal Paradise 2013-07-10 15:56
    Mason Wheeler:
    cellocgw:
    My guess: Brad is a former athlete who won a very important game with blood all over his sock.

    (For those who can't guess, hint: BoSox; and his game company not only went bust but nearly dragged an entire state gov't down with it)


    A friend of mine was actually part of that. He's a veteran developer who'd been a lead at Blizzard for several years, and knows the game industry really well. I talked with him a while back about how that all went down, and to hear him talk, they were basically doing everything right, and the company ended up failing because the state investors screwed them over and they ended up not getting money that they'd been promised.


    Rhode Island software developer here - that's not what happened at all, that's how Schilling spun it in his own head. He blamed the governor for saying publicly that there were solvency issues right when he thought he was on the cusp of a deal that would provide more cash, allowing him to rob Peter to pay Paul. There *were* issues - the check for the very first payment to the state bounced. The governor mentioned the tentative release date of their big game, and Schilling freaked, thinking this helped his competitors plan against the game.

    The real issue was that top management had no idea how to run a company. They bypassed the start-up mode, where everything's on a shoestring, and went right to big company mode where everything's top-shelf and money flows like water. They were completely unrealistic about how hard it is to compete in the video game market, and what the expected returns would be. Their first game sold OK (1.3 mil copies) but weren't able to put any of the earnings from that into future development because they'd already spent it all and then some.

    The former governor who had made this deal was an idiot with no idea how capricious the game industry is, all he knew was that he was getting to hang out with a sports star. (BFD.) He's yet to make any statement about his screwup, over a year afterward. He pushed this sweetheard deal through, and left us holding the bag.

    The best summary I've read on this (and I've read a lot) is here: http://www.bostonmagazine.com/2012/07/38-studios-end-game/print/. It's a fascinating lesson how how not to run a business.
  • F***-it Fred 2013-07-10 16:31
    Mason Wheeler:
    s73v3r:
    trtrwtf:
    Bob:
    Documentation in Word? I'd have fired her.


    Damn straight. If you need to generate customer-facing prettydocs, Flare works great. If you're doing internal-facing stuff, preserving institutional memory against the inevitable "Jim gets hired by a bus/hit by google" scenario, then often a well-curated wiki will be the best thing.

    Using Word for documentation is indeed the real WTF


    Given how non-technical this guy seems, do you really think he'd know what the hell a Wiki is?


    Of course: it's [s]the thing that runs[/s] that Internet encyclopedia!


    FTFY. Unfortunately this silly board has no strikethrough tag (HTML doesn't work either) so you'll have to use your imagination.
  • chubertdev 2013-07-10 17:02
    Sal Paradise:
    Rhode Island software developer here


    Man, that state's been exploding since I left (no connection).
  • Hans 2013-07-11 10:02
    because Libre Office Impress cannot groupd shapes together, so that aligning them is a pain.


    So we are back at "My girlfriend burned a day at the office because she is incompetent and is now blaming Libre Office for it". Because, you know, LO can do this just fine. Did it just the other day.

    But this is typically for people like your girlfriend who seem to be fixated to a specific tool. People used to word complain about missing features in LO which are there, People used to Photoshop claim they have a hard time using Gimp and that it misses features too.

    Truth is: People are lazy and can't be bothered to learn something new. It is far more easy to blame the tool than to acknowledge the own slow going and incompetence.
  • no laughing matter 2013-07-11 16:38
    F***-it Fred:

    Unfortunately this silly board has no strikethrough tag (HTML doesn't work either) so you'll have to use your imagination.
    FTFY.

    It has; and fitting the theme of the site, it is the most-WTFy syntax a strikethrough tag can ever have.

  • urza9814 2013-07-11 19:02
    chubertdev:
    Sal Paradise:
    Rhode Island software developer here


    Man, that state's been exploding since I left (no connection).


    I just arrived a couple months ago; if it's been "exploding" lately I would have loved to have seen it before it did...because it's still a HELLLL of a lot better than where I came from (Pennsylvania)!
  • Daniel 2013-07-12 04:11
    M-x org-mode:

    Emacs is free as speech


    Well there's something that made me chuckle...
  • Stainless Stanley 2013-07-12 05:37
    jay:

    I wonder if other professions go through this. Like, if a delivery man said, "Hey boss, you know, rather than me carrying merchandise all over town on foot, it would really help if the company bought a truck ..." Do they tell him that this is an unacceptable expense and he should just learn to run faster while carrying thousand-pound loads? Tell him that, maybe, they'll consider buying him a little red wagon to carry the stuff around in? Yes, I'm being deliberately ridiculous, but I wonder if there are examples like that in other professions.


    Yes, idiots like this exist outside IT also. Reminds me of two cases in the past in two separate taxi companies.

    First genius was too cheap to buy a navigator, insisting that professional driver should know his way around without one. While true in the city itself, customers do go distances exceeding 100km regularly, which gives you one heck of a radius to memorize.

    Second biz-wiz figured that having reverse (or front) sensors in taxi is waste of money as driver should be able to estimate distance without such extra tools. Time spent on being super careful while inching out after sending a granny through tight spaces on some apartment complex apparently couldn't have been spent on anything else, like getting new customers? Despite the care, surprisingly scratches and dents did magically appear out of nowhere by themselves, fixing of which surely was also FOC. (No culprit found means nobody found to pay the repairs also)

    Then again, first warning should've been seeing cars such as Toyota Avensis or Daewoo^MChevrolet Epica instead of something usable being passed off as a taxi...

    captcha: decet. decet and profit!
  • trutrukiac 2013-07-12 17:24
    well i used to work in a company like that. the CEO which was the guy who supposed to have the money con me to work at his place.

    his methodology: "lets sit together around a whiteboard", "i'm the one who will do the talking", "say that you liked my idea".

    we were more than 10 guys 1 year ago until he and his partner split up. i took the place his partner was working on, and was the worst mistake I've made. I didn't get paid for 3 months until i get a better job in a non games related industry

    eventually he release like 6 games, which none made any money. he still owes me 10 grands, and several more to the other guys who used to work with him because everyone eventually leave him alone and sue him :)(i was the first one)

    yeah that's the reality of some entrepreneurs of the game industry
  • chubertdev 2013-07-12 19:42
    urza9814:
    chubertdev:
    Sal Paradise:
    Rhode Island software developer here


    Man, that state's been exploding since I left (no connection).


    I just arrived a couple months ago; if it's been "exploding" lately I would have loved to have seen it before it did...because it's still a HELLLL of a lot better than where I came from (Pennsylvania)!


    Pretty much all of the developers in the state knew the employers, just because there were so few back then. Circa 2005ish.
  • trtrwtf 2013-07-15 10:53
    no laughing matter:
    F***-it Fred:

    Unfortunately this silly board has no strikethrough tag (HTML doesn't work either) so you'll have to use your imagination.
    FTFY.

    It has; and fitting the theme of the site, it is the most-WTFy syntax a strikethrough tag can ever have.




    [color=black;text-decoration:line-through]

    Oh my fucking god, you're right. That's purely terrible.
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  • KingBeardo 2013-07-16 14:11
    While it sounds like the boss is misguided in his reason for despising Windows, he is still right to do so. Microsoft refuses to abide by UNIX standards, the win32 C API is a mess, and the whole pile of crap is closed source and costly! libreoffice and OpenOffice.Org are far superior to MS Office in every way. Most importantly, they are scriptable in python and several other languages your girlfriend should be familiar with, whereas Office is only scriptable via VBA (which no one outside a padded cell knows). If a feature she wanted was missing, she should have taken the C/C++ source, coded up the feature, recompiled and gone on from there-- half a day at most, and only a one time task. With Office obviously you don't have the source so you are paying to be unable to add custom features... why would anyone do that?
  • Dominic 2013-07-20 18:52
    Thank god there is a software company in the world that isn't run by sperglords.
  • Popeye 2013-07-24 17:15
    I worked for a video game company where the owner would stomp around the converted office screaming "what the fuck is wrong here" and be dressed up in a superman cape.
  • Dis 2013-08-22 08:32
    sOh man, someone should introduce Brad to Windows's Sticky Notes.