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  • Frank Lee 2013-02-14 07:02
    bottom of the list for Project Management
    In other words, he tested as highly intelligent, making him first on all lists where one wants to be first.
  • Bartdude 2013-02-14 07:07
    Belgium hs a 3rd official language : German.
    This lack of organization doesn't impress me much... but why would a young and dynamic developer work for the governement in the first place ?
  • RFoxmich 2013-02-14 07:09
    He was evidently frist on the list of a lot of things.
  • no laughing matter 2013-02-14 07:19
    Government wasting money as usual...

    Where's the WTF?
  • Ironside 2013-02-14 07:24
    "and David was ranked top man."

    This is David, he's our Top Man.

    David we need you to travel immediately to Istanbul. The President's daughter has fallen sick and as our Top Man we recognize you are the Best Man For The Job.

    Extreme Caution David, the President's daughter is hooked up to an Oracle DB and has been lain low by an SQL injection. We need you to put a logic bomb through her back door.
  • Orval4ever 2013-02-14 07:26
    The real WTF is he applied for a government IT position. The rest of IT in this country (i'm from Belgium) looks so far down on government positions that this is practically career suicide. The quickest way to to let your skills age beyond usefulness, learn poor working habits and general apathy is to work for a (we got several...) Belgian Government.
  • anonymous 2013-02-14 07:30
    As a belgian working at government, this story full of WTF doesn't impress me at all.
    And I confirm 10x the WTF of dutchspeaking/frenchspeaking positions, where you cannot hire a perfectly competent candidate if the position is not open for his language
  • Martin 2013-02-14 07:31
    Government IT position?

    If you need to watch movies, youtube and get money for no work, then it's for you.
  • bjolling 2013-02-14 07:42
    Bartdude:
    Belgium hs a 3rd official language : German.
    This lack of organization doesn't impress me much... but why would a young and dynamic developer work for the governement in the first place ?
    This and...
    the Belgian government's three new pools of French-language IT candidates (Belgium's other official language being Dutch)
    The official language in Belgium is Dutch, it is French that is the other official language

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Belgium
  • some pony 2013-02-14 07:51
    looking at the comments, the real wtf this time is...... BELGIUM!
  • hymie 2013-02-14 07:52
    some pony:
    B*LGI*M!


    Really, now, there's no need for that kind of language.
  • Kristof Provsot 2013-02-14 07:53
    I don't believe that this was actually about Belgium. There'd be rather more Kafka if it really was Belgium.
  • Louis 2013-02-14 08:04
    An auditor, the president's daughter, and an admiral walk into a bar, where they find David crying into his beer. "I just got featured in a TDWTF article" he wailed. "My career is doomed."

    "I know what you mean" said the president's daughter. "They keep killing me off every day, and I don't even know what I did wrong."

    Just then the lights came up on a small stage in one corner of the dance floor. Out from behind a curtain stepped Irish Girl.

    "It's not the end of the world" she soothed. "They kept after me for years but eventually they forgot about me. Now, my career is really taking off."

    "Taking off?" repeated the admiral.

    "Yeah. Taking off my clothes. I'm a stripper now. Anyone want to see me naked?"

    "We all do" said everyone. "Even me" said the president's daughter. "But none of us have any money after being featured on TDWTF."

    Just then the VP of Global Sales walked in with a billion dollars stuffed in his suit pockets...
  • Sean 2013-02-14 08:15
    Belgium's other language is Flemish. It's not actually Dutch (although, coincidentally, it is exactly the same)
  • jEDI 2013-02-14 08:32
    Wasn't Poirot from Belgium?
  • Berend 2013-02-14 08:42
    Poirot was from Fiction. Often confused with Belgium, except it's not.
  • Flash 2013-02-14 08:45
    Sean:
    Belgium's other language is Flemish. It's not actually Dutch (although, coincidentally, it is exactly the same)

    Is wikipedia wrong, then?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Belgium
  • Ironside 2013-02-14 08:52
    I am not certain but pretty sure Flemish has nothing to do with the Dutch but rather it is the native language of Papa New Guinea. Don't take my word for it though.
  • ObiWayneKenobi 2013-02-14 08:55
    <sarcasm>
    The real WTF is obviously languages other than American.
    </sarcasm>
  • anonymous 2013-02-14 09:02
    Flash:
    Sean:
    Belgium's other language is Flemish. It's not actually Dutch (although, coincidentally, it is exactly the same)

    Is wikipedia wrong, then?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Belgium

    Flemish is a (many) dialect(s) of Dutch. There are many versions of it. The language that is learned at school is Dutch, and it's the one that's supposed to be spoken between them.

    and French is not the "Other" language. They are on the same scale. There are quota on the number of French speaking and Dutch speaking in the government, hence the kind of WTF we see here.
  • MrBester 2013-02-14 09:09
    ... with a brillant solution to everybody's problems. No quack.
  • Bobby Tables 2013-02-14 09:17
    Ironside:
    the President's daughter has been lain low by an SQL injection.
    You bet she was! Little Bobby has grown up.
  • Kalpa 2013-02-14 09:20
    Flash:
    Sean:
    Belgium's other language is Flemish. It's not actually Dutch (although, coincidentally, it is exactly the same)

    Is wikipedia wrong, then?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Belgium


    Flemish is a dialect of Dutch, spoken by pretty much everyone in the Dutch-speaking region of Belgium. There are very few people who commonly speak 'proper' Dutch.

    Ironside:
    I am not certain but pretty sure Flemish has nothing to do with the Dutch but rather it is the native language of Papa New Guinea. Don't take my word for it though.


    The Dutch-speaking region of Belgium is called Flanders. I do not believe this to be a coincidence.
  • Nagesh 2013-02-14 09:24
    So Belgium Government is faster than India Government.
  • Nagesh 2013-02-14 09:25
    no laughing matter:
    Government wasting money as usual...

    Where's the WTF?


    Since person was not hired and or paid, no money was wasted. Only time was wasted.
  • gallier2 2013-02-14 09:29
    Yeah, tell that the project manager I had when I worked in Brussels in 2002. He insisted that Limburg was not part of Flandern and that Limburgish was neither Dutch nor Flemish.

    He was quite cool though with me as I'm a real Frenchman. The French speaking Belgians though had to suffer a lot with him. He would never speak French with them, thing he did quite often with me.
  • profke 2013-02-14 09:35
    all that one wants to know about belgians, and their gouvernment(s)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceg6NQKHd70
  • operagost 2013-02-14 09:47
    Irish Girl... well, there goes my concentration for the entire morning.
  • Steve The Cynic 2013-02-14 09:49
    ObiWayneKenobi:
    <sarcasm>
    The real WTF is obviously languages other than American.
    </sarcasm>

    Such arrogance. But at least you admit that your so-called language isn't English.
  • golddog 2013-02-14 09:58
    Or even a "shoo-in". Unless you listen to the great Chick McGee.

    Also, there's something about the most gratituous use of the word "Belgium" in a screenplay, but I don't feel like looking up the reference right now.
  • Severity One 2013-02-14 10:00
    Sean:
    Belgium's other language is Flemish. It's not actually Dutch (although, coincidentally, it is exactly the same)
    Flemish is not a language. The Flemish people have Dutch (Nederlands) as their official language. The difference between Dutch from the Netherlands and from Flanders is more or less like the difference between British English and American English.

    And just like there are many different dialects within both Britain and the USA, so nobody really speaks standard Dutch, whether in Flanders or in the Netherlands.

    This, by the way, is a very contentious issue. In any country in the world, you should avoid religion and politics in polite conversation, but in Belgium you can add language to that list.

    It's also the reason that Limburgish has official status as a regional language in the Netherlands, but there's no change on earth that it would ever get that in Flanders.
  • n/a 2013-02-14 10:08
    Louis:
    An auditor, the president's daughter, and an admiral walk into a bar, [...]


    Here, good sir, take my like... I mean, FILE_NOT_FOUND.
  • Herr Otto Flick 2013-02-14 10:28
    anonymous:
    Flash:
    Sean:
    Belgium's other language is Flemish. It's not actually Dutch (although, coincidentally, it is exactly the same)

    Is wikipedia wrong, then?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Belgium

    Flemish is a (many) dialect(s) of Dutch. There are many versions of it. The language that is learned at school is Dutch, and it's the one that's supposed to be spoken between them.

    and French is not the "Other" language. They are on the same scale. There are quota on the number of French speaking and Dutch speaking in the government, hence the kind of WTF we see here.


    In fact, there is no such place as 'Belgium', there is just the bit of France the French didn't want, and the bit of Netherlands the French didn't want the Dutch to have. They are two separate countries, occasionally (but not usually) united by a common government.

    The main purpose of Belgium is to have somewhere not French and not German where the rest of Europe can deposit hundreds of billions of euros in subsidies. Although, because Brussels was, at the time, largely Flemish speaking, we also have a backup European parliament in France itself, which is officially the seat of the parliament, but they only go there once a month (in their thousands) for a symbolic assembly.
  • Greg 2013-02-14 10:33
    Severity One:
    The difference between Dutch from the Netherlands and from Flanders is more or less like the difference between British English and American English.

    Except for the fact that spelling is identical for Dutch and Flemish while certain words have a very different meaning e.g. "zeuren" (Netherlands: nagging, Belgium: cheating), "poepen" (Netherlands: having a shit, Belgium: having sex).
  • Bring Back TopCod3r 2013-02-14 10:40
    Severity One:
    The difference between Dutch from the Netherlands and from Flanders is more or less like the difference between British English and American English.


    You mean one is clearly superior to the other?
  • shane 2013-02-14 10:53
    Martin:
    Government IT position?

    If you need to watch movies, youtube and get money for no work, then it's for you.


    I once did 2 weeks of work for a government department of the state of North Carolina. The assignment lasted 6 months.

    I was very, very good at minesweeper when it was over...
  • Fred 2013-02-14 11:28
    Louis:
    Just then the VP of Global Sales walked in with a billion dollars stuffed in his suit pockets...
    OMG Don't stop there!!! What happened next? Does anyone have pictures they can post?
  • laoreet 2013-02-14 11:29
    Greg:
    Severity One:
    The difference between Dutch from the Netherlands and from Flanders is more or less like the difference between British English and American English.

    Except for the fact that spelling is identical for Dutch and Flemish while certain words have a very different meaning e.g. "zeuren" (Netherlands: nagging, Belgium: cheating), "poepen" (Netherlands: having a shit, Belgium: having sex).


    To be fair, have you ever had sex with a Belgian woman?
  • tchize 2013-02-14 11:31
    Bartdude:
    but why would a young and dynamic developer work for the governement in the first place ?

    Because after 6 months of job hunting, at that time, they were the only one to offer me a position that did not include shitty pay, "please work 12 hours a day", and "you ought to be raped once a week".

    Orval4ever:
    The quickest way to to let your skills age beyond usefulness, learn poor working habits and general apathy is to work for a (we got several...) Belgian Government.

    Well, luckly, i am at a place that send it's IT people to trainings, where people are willing to work (true story) and are effectively working (incredible hey!). Sure enough, lots of WTF here, but no more than in private sector for what i know.

    The biggest nightmare in administration is hiring procedure. It takes a full 1 year from the moment you open a position to the moment someone seat at the desk. That makes it very difficult to attract talented people before pricate sector hire them :)

  • DJ Dizzy spudplucker 2013-02-14 11:53
    They could have sent David as Top Man to Instanbul to help the president's daughter, but Poirot had already gone with his assistant Captain Glanstron
    captcha: tego tego! tego! tego!
  • Zylon 2013-02-14 11:55
    Steve The Cynic:
    ObiWayneKenobi:
    <sarcasm>
    The real WTF is obviously languages other than American.
    </sarcasm>

    Such arrogance. But at least you admit that your so-called language isn't English.

    What sort of amazing colossal dumbass tries to flame a comment that has LITERAL SARCASM TAGS around it?

    Oh yeah, the *you* kind.
  • Cogo the Barbarian 2013-02-14 11:56
    bjolling:
    The official language in Belgium is Dutch, it is French that is the other official language

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Belgium

    You mean the webpage that reads: "the Belgian Constitution does not explicitly mention which languages enjoy official status" and "only since 1967 the Dutch version of the Constitution has equal status to the original French one"

    Granted, Dutch is the most popular (as in spoken by the most people), but you can't parley that into saying "Dutch is the main official language, and French is an additional one." (There have been a number of countries where the only "official" language has been the one of the powerful minority, rather than the powerless majority.)

    Kalpa:
    The Dutch-speaking region of Belgium is called Flanders. I do not believe this to be a coincidence.

    <HomerSimpson> Stupid Flanders ... </HomerSimpson>
  • tchize 2013-02-14 12:03
    Cogo the Barbarian:
    There have been a number of countries where the only "official" language has been the one of the powerful minority, rather than the powerless majority.)

    <sarcasm>
    A pity those days are gone in Belgium :D
    </sarcasm>
  • Marvin the Martian 2013-02-14 12:08
    Severity One:
    The difference between Dutch from the Netherlands and from Flanders is more or less like the difference between British English and American English.

    Not true.

    For example, Dutch TV tends to subtitle programmes made by Flemish TV. (Actually, they sometimes subtitle any random person who doesn't come from the Dutch heartland, `the Randstad', whether understandable or not.)

    Being Flemish, everybody replied to me in English even after living 5years in Amsterdam, even if only speaking 2-3words at first, and even when persisting in replying in Dutch (well, in simplified Flemish). It's not just a matter of different dialect words, it's also differences in sentence structure -- the Dutch have a mortal fear of sub-clauses.

    People always replied in Dutch to my Spanish girlfriend's attempts on (the life of) Dutch, annoyingly.

    All in all an incomprehensible situation, as the other way around there has never been any problem in understanding. I blame mass culture -- 17million people being fed a standardized language ('eenheidsworst') and hence being incapable of understanding the 6million who live one hour driving south and speak the same language.

  • no laughing matter 2013-02-14 12:22
    Kalpa:

    The Dutch-speaking region of Belgium is called Flanders. I do not believe this to be a coincidence.
    Meanwhile the Flanderization of the president's daughter is going on and on.
  • cellocgw 2013-02-14 12:23
    anonymous:
    As a belgian working at government, this story full of WTF doesn't impress me at all.
    And I confirm 10x the WTF of dutchspeaking/frenchspeaking positions, where you cannot hire a perfectly competent candidate if the position is not open for his language


    And thus, the true location of Mieville's 'The City and the City' was revealed.
  • Matt Westwood 2013-02-14 12:41
    hymie:
    some pony:
    B*LGI*M!


    Really, now, there's no need for that kind of language.


    Oh come on. It's a lovely place. Driven through it from one side to the other taking a few hours to do so multiple times. Delightful motorways.

    Except when you reach that clusterfuck that is Antwerp, of course, then you're completely up the fucking paddle without a creek.
  • Matt Westwood 2013-02-14 12:44
    laoreet:
    Greg:
    Severity One:
    The difference between Dutch from the Netherlands and from Flanders is more or less like the difference between British English and American English.

    Except for the fact that spelling is identical for Dutch and Flemish while certain words have a very different meaning e.g. "zeuren" (Netherlands: nagging, Belgium: cheating), "poepen" (Netherlands: having a shit, Belgium: having sex).


    To be fair, have you ever had sex with a Belgian woman?


    I offered to once, but she turned me down. She did fuck a mate of mine, but started slagging him off publicly for being uncircumcised. We then retaliated by discussing FGM in front of her in the pub and made her bounce her Hoegaarden.
  • Matt Westwood 2013-02-14 12:46
    Berend:
    Poirot was from Fiction. Often confused with Belgium, except it's not.


    Adolphe Sax was from Belgium.
  • herby 2013-02-14 12:56
    Cogo the Barbarian:
    There have been a number of countries where the only "official" language has been the one of the powerful minority, rather than the powerless majority.)

    <sarcasm>
    Like here in the USA where "English" is more or less official, and "Spanish" is used by a powerless majority??
    </sarcasm>
  • Gurth 2013-02-14 13:28
    profke:
    all that one wants to know about belgians, and their gouvernment(s)
    http://zapatopi.net/belgium/

    There, much more accurate.
  • chubertdev 2013-02-14 13:47
    So basically if everything that is weird about Quebec AND Newfoundland was a country, it would be Belgium.
  • PiisAWheeL 2013-02-14 13:55
    ObiWayneKenobi:

    The real WTF is obviously languages other than 'Murican!
    FTFY.
  • emaNrouY-Here 2013-02-14 14:25
    herby:
    Cogo the Barbarian:
    There have been a number of countries where the only "official" language has been the one of the powerful minority, rather than the powerless majority.)

    <sarcasm>
    Like here in the USA where "English" is more or less official, and "Spanish" is used by a powerless majority??
    </sarcasm>


    If the last election proves anything, they aren't powerless. The illegals had plenty of chances to vote multiple times in certain states that have no voter ID laws.
  • urza9814 2013-02-14 14:46
    emaNrouY-Here:
    herby:
    Cogo the Barbarian:
    There have been a number of countries where the only "official" language has been the one of the powerful minority, rather than the powerless majority.)

    <sarcasm>
    Like here in the USA where "English" is more or less official, and "Spanish" is used by a powerless majority??
    </sarcasm>


    If the last election proves anything, they aren't powerless. The illegals had plenty of chances to vote multiple times in certain states that have no voter ID laws.


    Oi, not this crap again. Admittedly, I only know about Pennsylvania as that's where I was living during the build-up to the last election, but they were trying to pass a voter ID law there, claiming rampant voter fraud and such...and time after time, when pressed, nobody supporting this bill managed to cite even a _single_ case of actual in-person voter fraud. Not one. Several independent sources (newspapers and such) conducted investigations, and the only "fraud" they found were one or two cases where somebody signed the wrong line in the poll book so it appeared that a dead guy had voted...when in reality the signature belonged to the guy one line down. Then a couple months later the leader of the state GOP admitted at a press conference that the entire reason they were pushing voter ID is because they thought it would limit turnout of Democratic supporters.

    ...not that I'm a Democratic supporter either, just FYI. Happened to agree with them on this issue, but I didn't vote for any.
  • danielpauldavis 2013-02-14 14:51
    Different country, same government
  • chubertdev 2013-02-14 15:02
    urza9814:
    Oi, not this crap again. Admittedly, I only know about Pennsylvania as that's where I was living during the build-up to the last election, but they were trying to pass a voter ID law there, claiming rampant voter fraud and such...and time after time, when pressed, nobody supporting this bill managed to cite even a _single_ case of actual in-person voter fraud. Not one. Several independent sources (newspapers and such) conducted investigations, and the only "fraud" they found were one or two cases where somebody signed the wrong line in the poll book so it appeared that a dead guy had voted...when in reality the signature belonged to the guy one line down. Then a couple months later the leader of the state GOP admitted at a press conference that the entire reason they were pushing voter ID is because they thought it would limit turnout of Democratic supporters.

    ...not that I'm a Democratic supporter either, just FYI. Happened to agree with them on this issue, but I didn't vote for any.


    "Can you provide one example of something that NO ONE keeps track of?"

    ahahahahahahaha
  • DB 2013-02-14 15:18
    Ironside:
    "and David was ranked top man."

    This is David, he's our Top Man.

    David we need you to travel immediately to Istanbul. The President's daughter has fallen sick and as our Top Man we recognize you are the Best Man For The Job.

    Extreme Caution David, the President's daughter is hooked up to an Oracle DB and has been lain low by an SQL injection. We need you to put a logic bomb through her back door.


    hahahahaahaha! Two-thumbs up.
  • no laughing matter 2013-02-14 15:21
    chubertdev:
    urza9814:
    Oi, not this crap again. Admittedly, I only know about Pennsylvania as that's where I was living during the build-up to the last election, but they were trying to pass a voter ID law there, claiming rampant voter fraud and such...and time after time, when pressed, nobody supporting this bill managed to cite even a _single_ case of actual in-person voter fraud. Not one. Several independent sources (newspapers and such) conducted investigations, and the only "fraud" they found were one or two cases where somebody signed the wrong line in the poll book so it appeared that a dead guy had voted...when in reality the signature belonged to the guy one line down. Then a couple months later the leader of the state GOP admitted at a press conference that the entire reason they were pushing voter ID is because they thought it would limit turnout of Democratic supporters.

    ...not that I'm a Democratic supporter either, just FYI. Happened to agree with them on this issue, but I didn't vote for any.


    "Can you provide one example of something that NO ONE keeps track of?"

    ahahahahahahaha
  • drake 2013-02-14 15:25
    Greg:
    Severity One:
    The difference between Dutch from the Netherlands and from Flanders is more or less like the difference between British English and American English.

    Except for the fact that spelling is identical for Dutch and Flemish while certain words have a very different meaning e.g. "zeuren" (Netherlands: nagging, Belgium: cheating), "poepen" (Netherlands: having a shit, Belgium: having sex).


    Yes, because eating spotted dick and smoking a fag mean exactly the same in America and Britain...
  • Kivi 2013-02-14 15:25
    chubertdev:
    urza9814:
    Time after time, when pressed, nobody supporting this bill managed to cite even a _single_ case of actual in-person voter fraud.


    "Can you provide one example of something that NO ONE keeps track of?"

    ahahahahahahaha


    "During the Bush Administration, the Justice Department initiated a five-year crackdown on voter fraud, but only eighty-six people were convicted of any kind of election crime."

    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/10/29/121029fa_fact_mayer
  • Pista 2013-02-14 15:28
    profke:
    all that one wants to know about belgians, and their gouvernment(s)
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ceg6NQKHd70


    Yeah, this explains a lot... Both about Belgium and the EU...
  • PRMan 2013-02-14 15:30
    drake:
    Greg:
    Severity One:
    The difference between Dutch from the Netherlands and from Flanders is more or less like the difference between British English and American English.

    Except for the fact that spelling is identical for Dutch and Flemish while certain words have a very different meaning e.g. "zeuren" (Netherlands: nagging, Belgium: cheating), "poepen" (Netherlands: having a shit, Belgium: having sex).


    Yes, because eating spotted dick and smoking a fag mean exactly the same in America and Britain...


    In America, you can go to a restaurant and get stuffed. You probably wouldn't do that in Australia.

    In Australia, you can borrow a rubber from your classmate and use it right there in class. You probably wouldn't do that in America.

  • chubertdev 2013-02-14 15:35
    Kivi:
    "During the Bush Administration, the Justice Department initiated a five-year crackdown on voter fraud, but only eighty-six people were convicted of any kind of election crime."

    http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2012/10/29/121029fa_fact_mayer


    WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOSH
  • urza9814 2013-02-14 15:40
    chubertdev:
    urza9814:
    Oi, not this crap again. Admittedly, I only know about Pennsylvania as that's where I was living during the build-up to the last election, but they were trying to pass a voter ID law there, claiming rampant voter fraud and such...and time after time, when pressed, nobody supporting this bill managed to cite even a _single_ case of actual in-person voter fraud. Not one. Several independent sources (newspapers and such) conducted investigations, and the only "fraud" they found were one or two cases where somebody signed the wrong line in the poll book so it appeared that a dead guy had voted...when in reality the signature belonged to the guy one line down. Then a couple months later the leader of the state GOP admitted at a press conference that the entire reason they were pushing voter ID is because they thought it would limit turnout of Democratic supporters.

    ...not that I'm a Democratic supporter either, just FYI. Happened to agree with them on this issue, but I didn't vote for any.


    "Can you provide one example of something that NO ONE keeps track of?"

    ahahahahahahaha


    Except they do. Just because you don't have to show a photo ID doesn't mean they don't keep any records. One of the frequent claims was that dead people were voting. So, go look through that poll books and find me a single dead person who apparently voted, THEN I'll consider accepting that as a valid argument for why we need to spend millions of dollars and potentially disenfranchise over a tenth of the entire population.

    If you're making the claim that dead people or undocumented immigrants or whatever are voting illegally -- well, either that's based on some kind of evidence, or you're just pulling the idea out of your ass. And if you refuse to show me even a single scrap of evidence, I can only assume you're pulling it out of your ass -- and that's not what we should be basing legislation on, particularly when it requires millions in expenditures and affects something as important as voting rights for millions of people.

    Doesn't help their case when they outright admit the legislation is purely designed to help their guy win.
  • urza9814 2013-02-14 15:45
    urza9814:
    chubertdev:
    urza9814:
    Oi, not this crap again. Admittedly, I only know about Pennsylvania as that's where I was living during the build-up to the last election, but they were trying to pass a voter ID law there, claiming rampant voter fraud and such...and time after time, when pressed, nobody supporting this bill managed to cite even a _single_ case of actual in-person voter fraud. Not one. Several independent sources (newspapers and such) conducted investigations, and the only "fraud" they found were one or two cases where somebody signed the wrong line in the poll book so it appeared that a dead guy had voted...when in reality the signature belonged to the guy one line down. Then a couple months later the leader of the state GOP admitted at a press conference that the entire reason they were pushing voter ID is because they thought it would limit turnout of Democratic supporters.

    ...not that I'm a Democratic supporter either, just FYI. Happened to agree with them on this issue, but I didn't vote for any.


    "Can you provide one example of something that NO ONE keeps track of?"

    ahahahahahahaha


    Except they do. Just because you don't have to show a photo ID doesn't mean they don't keep any records. One of the frequent claims was that dead people were voting. So, go look through that poll books and find me a single dead person who apparently voted, THEN I'll consider accepting that as a valid argument for why we need to spend millions of dollars and potentially disenfranchise over a tenth of the entire population.

    If you're making the claim that dead people or undocumented immigrants or whatever are voting illegally -- well, either that's based on some kind of evidence, or you're just pulling the idea out of your ass. And if you refuse to show me even a single scrap of evidence, I can only assume you're pulling it out of your ass -- and that's not what we should be basing legislation on, particularly when it requires millions in expenditures and affects something as important as voting rights for millions of people.

    Doesn't help their case when they outright admit the legislation is purely designed to help their guy win.


    If you want to make the argument than we need it to try to protect against these hypothetical threats -- fine, I have no problem with having that debate. But that's not how it's ever brought up. Note how it was brought up here -- the implication was very clearly that undocumented immigrants DID vote multiple times and it DID change the result. Show me the evidence or STFU.
  • chubertdev 2013-02-14 16:20
    I'm making the argument that politics are always based on false arguments, and the equivalent site would probably be hourlypoliticswtf.
  • emaNrouY-Here 2013-02-14 16:31
    Granted these are just points of reference to a much bigger problem.
    1. A lady this past week admitted she voted twice for Obama. This was in Ohio. She didn't admit to voter fraud, though. ...ummm

    2. A person in OH or PA knew that a friend was not voting. She went to the polling station, stated she was her friend and received the ballot. She then stated, with a loud voice, "I am not who I stated I am. Look how easy it is to vote multiple times." She then ripped up the ballot, thus not actually violating any laws.

    3. 60 districts across OH and PA had 100% votes for Obama. 0 for any other candidate. This is a statistical anomaly. Not even Reagan got that.

    4. At least one district in FL had 149% voter turnout. Reviewing FEC documents, it turns out in this election where only less than 30% of the populace turned out, there were quite a number of districts in OH and PA (inner city districts) where voter turnout was at or above 100%.

    No, there's no voter fraud states the professional wrestling judge.

    Are Democrats the only ones to do this? Nope, but they don't call it Chicago Politics for nothing.
  • radarbob 2013-02-14 16:41
    anonymous:
    Flash:
    Sean:
    Belgium's other language is Flemish. It's not actually Dutch (although, coincidentally, it is exactly the same)

    Is wikipedia wrong, then?
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Belgium

    Flemish is a (many) dialect(s) of Dutch. There are many versions of it. The language that is learned at school is Dutch, and it's the one that's supposed to be spoken between them.

    and French is not the "Other" language. They are on the same scale. There are quota on the number of French speaking and Dutch speaking in the government, hence the kind of WTF we see here.


    This is why the Germans invaded, to straighten is out by making everyone speak German. But they were not there long enough, as a result Dutch is only sorta, like pretty close, to German. Nice try though.
  • urza9814 2013-02-14 16:55
    emaNrouY-Here:
    Granted these are just points of reference to a much bigger problem.
    1. A lady this past week admitted she voted twice for Obama. This was in Ohio. She didn't admit to voter fraud, though. ...ummm

    2. A person in OH or PA knew that a friend was not voting. She went to the polling station, stated she was her friend and received the ballot. She then stated, with a loud voice, "I am not who I stated I am. Look how easy it is to vote multiple times." She then ripped up the ballot, thus not actually violating any laws.

    3. 60 districts across OH and PA had 100% votes for Obama. 0 for any other candidate. This is a statistical anomaly. Not even Reagan got that.

    4. At least one district in FL had 149% voter turnout. Reviewing FEC documents, it turns out in this election where only less than 30% of the populace turned out, there were quite a number of districts in OH and PA (inner city districts) where voter turnout was at or above 100%.

    No, there's no voter fraud states the professional wrestling judge.

    Are Democrats the only ones to do this? Nope, but they don't call it Chicago Politics for nothing.


    Thanks for the refences. Some of these are certainly problematic...some less so. Number two is the only one that actually could be prevented by Voter ID though.

    Precints voting 100% Obama, for example...that's partly a result of gerrymandering pushing voters of one party or another into a single precint; and partly it's just general demographics. In one of those referenced Philadelphia precints, for example, the population is 94% black. There were a grand total of _seven_ white people counted on the census. Not a huge shock that a precint full of urban, minority, probably low-income voters went for Obama. Even at 100%. Same thing happened in some areas of Philly 2008 and in 2004. Also keep in mind that the Romney campaign probably didn't even bother campaigning in these areas, since there was little hope of winning.

    Most concerning are the 'over 100% turnout' arguments. As I said, my arguments were mostly limited to Pennsylvania, and that wasn't a significant issue there. There have been some complaints of districts being "over 100%", but what they're actually measuring there is not over 100% of the number of registered voters, but over 100% of the number of voters who signed in (not sure if this is the case with other states reporting this). So some people voted without signing the poll books. Problematic, sure, but not _necessarily_ fraudulent. And more importantly, Voter ID would be USELESS at stopping something like that. You need more poll workers to ensure people sign the books; whether or not those people show ID when doing so is irrelevant in this case.

    And voter ID wouldn't have stopped the poll worker voting multiple times either -- the problem is not that she claimed to be someone else, the problem was that there was no coordination between the absentee ballots and the in-person voting.
  • Nolbby Bitz 2013-02-14 17:02
    If you're going to try and use "evidence", use real evidence.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.asp

    Not true
  • glurk 2013-02-14 18:22
    Bomb. Logic Bomb.
  • Mr.Burns 2013-02-14 20:14
    ObiWayneKenobi:
    <sarcasm>
    The real WTF is obviously languages other than American.
    </sarcasm>


    you mean 'murican' ?
  • AndyCanfield 2013-02-14 20:53
    n/a:
    Louis:
    An auditor, the president's daughter, and an admiral walk into a bar, [...]

    Here, good sir, take my like... I mean, FILE_NOT_FOUND.

    Mine too! My contract ends soon, but I'm not worried. My career is taking off!
  • Swedish tard 2013-02-15 01:46
    Steve The Cynic:
    ObiWayneKenobi:
    <sarcasm>
    The real WTF is obviously languages other than American.
    </sarcasm>

    Such arrogance. But at least you admit that your so-called language isn't English.


    Of course it isnt. He's speaking about spanish...
  • Severity One 2013-02-15 02:22
    Greg:
    Except for the fact that spelling is identical for Dutch and Flemish while certain words have a very different meaning e.g. "zeuren" (Netherlands: nagging, Belgium: cheating), "poepen" (Netherlands: having a shit, Belgium: having sex).
    Thank goodness I married a Maltese woman and not a Belgian one. She may nag, but at least she's faithful, and that second word is just too disturbing to think about.
  • Severity One 2013-02-15 02:40
    Marvin the Martian:
    Severity One:
    The difference between Dutch from the Netherlands and from Flanders is more or less like the difference between British English and American English.
    Not true.

    For example, Dutch TV tends to subtitle programmes made by Flemish TV. (Actually, they sometimes subtitle any random person who doesn't come from the Dutch heartland, `the Randstad', whether understandable or not.)
    It depends really on how thick the accent is, and how far removed from the standard language. After all, Dutch is mainly based on the Hollandic and Brabantian languages/dialects, and not so much on Flemish, Limburgish or West Low German (Nedersaksisch), let alone Frisian.

    The average Flemish newscaster, correspondent or politician would not get subtitled.

    Being Flemish, everybody replied to me in English even after living 5years in Amsterdam, even if only speaking 2-3words at first, and even when persisting in replying in Dutch (well, in simplified Flemish). It's not just a matter of different dialect words, it's also differences in sentence structure -- the Dutch have a mortal fear of sub-clauses.

    People always replied in Dutch to my Spanish girlfriend's attempts on (the life of) Dutch, annoyingly.
    I'll give you a moment to ponder upon that. What do you think it tells you about your command of Dutch? :)

    All in all an incomprehensible situation, as the other way around there has never been any problem in understanding. I blame mass culture -- 17million people being fed a standardized language ('eenheidsworst') and hence being incapable of understanding the 6million who live one hour driving south and speak the same language.
    Thing is, Dutch will understand their own language or dialect, and the standard Dutch spoken in the Netherlands. The standard Dutch spoken in Belgium is perfectly understandable, too, but dialects aren't.

    Being from Dutch Limburg, I can understand, more or less, both Frisian and the (East) Flemish some lady spoke to me in the lovely city of Gent (Ghent), but to follow a film like 'Rundskop' without subtitles will prove a challenge even to me. German would probably be easier to follow.
  • fgfg 2013-02-15 04:36
    Louis:

    Just then the VP of Global Sales walked in with a billion dollars stuffed in his suit pockets...


    He throws the money about him and says "My new colleague Mrs. Paula Bean has come up with this brillant idea that will make us gazillions of $$ in no time. Drinks for all!"
  • chris 2013-02-15 04:40
    Fred:
    Louis:
    Just then the VP of Global Sales walked in with a billion dollars stuffed in his suit pockets...
    OMG Don't stop there!!! What happened next? Does anyone have pictures they can post?

    Only if they want to be sued by a billionaire.
  • Mr Bean 2013-02-15 05:20
    Bobby Tables:
    Ironside:
    the President's daughter has been lain low by an SQL injection.
    You bet she was! Little Bobby has grown up.


    I used to have a colleague who pronounced "SQL" as "Squeal".

    As in "SQL, little piggy, SQL!"
  • Swedish tard 2013-02-15 05:49
    Mr Bean:
    Bobby Tables:
    Ironside:
    the President's daughter has been lain low by an SQL injection.
    You bet she was! Little Bobby has grown up.


    I used to have a colleague who pronounced "SQL" as "Squeal".

    As in "SQL, little piggy, SQL!"


    Im one of those.
  • ColdHeart 2013-02-15 06:05
    ObiWayneKenobi:
    <sarcasm>
    The real WTF is obviously America.
    </sarcasm>


    FIFY :-p
  • Bobby Tables 2013-02-15 06:39
    Mr Bean:
    Bobby Tables:
    Ironside:
    the President's daughter has been lain low by an SQL injection.
    You bet she was! Little Bobby has grown up.


    I used to have a colleague who pronounced "SQL" as "Squeal".

    As in "SQL, little piggy, SQL!"
    As if you watched me with the President's daughter ...

    Wait, did you? Where's the camera?
  • Zemm 2013-02-15 07:27
    hymie:
    some pony:
    B*LGI*M!


    Really, now, there's no need for that kind of language.


    I do not approve of this gratuitous censoring!

    This is a serious screenplay.
  • Martin 2013-02-15 08:16
    Matt Westwood:

    Oh come on. It's a lovely place. Driven through it from one side to the other taking a few hours to do so multiple times. Delightful motorways.

    Except when you reach that clusterfuck that is Antwerp, of course, then you're completely up the fucking paddle without a creek.


    ISWYDT. Totally agree though - Antwerp and, in fact, anywhere around Brussels are to be totally avoided at all costs when trying to get somewhere else.

    Marvin the Martian:

    For example, Dutch TV tends to subtitle programmes made by Flemish TV. (Actually, they sometimes subtitle any random person who doesn't come from the Dutch heartland, `the Randstad', whether understandable or not.)


    Australian TV does this with Aboriginal speakers. I (as an English person) had no difficulty whatsoever understanding 95% of those who were being subtitled.

    Bizarrely, I now work with subtitling software.
  • Martin 2013-02-15 08:20
    Severity One:
    I can understand, more or less, both Frisian and ...


    Moo?

    Sorry, couldn't stop myself. I'll get my coat.
  • EuroGuy 2013-02-15 08:23
    Matt Westwood:

    Oh come on. It's a lovely place. Driven through it from one side to the other taking a few hours to do so multiple times. Delightful motorways.

    Now I know you're making this up. There are countries in central Africa with better motorways than Belgium.
  • gnasher729 2013-02-15 12:11
    emaNrouY-Here:
    3. 60 districts across OH and PA had 100% votes for Obama. 0 for any other candidate. This is a statistical anomaly. Not even Reagan got that.


    Jim diGriz would find someone who swears under oath that they voted Republican in one of these districts.
  • jay 2013-02-15 15:00
    Nolbby Bitz:
    If you're going to try and use "evidence", use real evidence.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.asp

    Not true


    Well, I don't have the same blind faith in Snopes that some do. For example, RE precincts with 100% of the vote for Obama: Is it "a statistical impossiblity" as they quote the claim? No. It's certainly POSSIBLE that everyone in the precinct voted the same way. Yes, these are precincts that fit the demography to be strongly Democratic. But it's still awfully suspcious. Not ONE Republican voter in the entire precinct? And to offer as evidence that the precinct reported a 100% Democrat vote in the last election proves nothing. Who says the fraud started with this election? Maybe they've been falsifying results for many years. If poll-workers wanted to commit fraud, it wouldn't take a genius to just throw away the ballots you don't like and never turn them in. If a precinct reported 100% Republican votes, don't you think someone would at least launch a serious investigation to see if there might not be fraud involved?

  • jay 2013-02-15 15:03
    Any claims of people double-voting are of necessity going to be anecdotal. Unless someone confesses or is caught red-headed, how would you know? I can't imagine how we could collect statistics on how many people engaged in vote fraud without some fundamental change to the system to make it traceable.

    It's an interesting problem, actually: How do you have a secret ballot and at the same time prevent vote fraud? Voter-id could make it tougher for people to double vote. But what if poll workers or other election officials decide to cheat? Frankly I think there's more danger from a few partisan activists in the right positions who could falsify hundreds or thousands of votes than from an occassional individual double voting, or even an organized campaign to double vote. I think it was Joseph Stalin who said that it doesn't matter who's allowed to vote, all that matters is who counts the votes.
  • DonkeyRyan 2013-02-15 15:18
    Yay Dan.

    Who's leg do you have to hump to get a dry martini around here?
  • no laughing matter 2013-02-15 15:57
    gnasher729:
    emaNrouY-Here:
    3. 60 districts across OH and PA had 100% votes for Obama. 0 for any other candidate. This is a statistical anomaly. Not even Reagan got that.


    Jim diGriz would find someone who swears under oath that they voted Republican in one of these districts.
    So tell us how a voter id law would have prevented that?

    Or did that "someone" actually vote both democratic and republican in multiple votes, but only one of his votes was counted?
  • foo 2013-02-15 17:12
    jay:
    Nolbby Bitz:
    If you're going to try and use "evidence", use real evidence.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.asp

    Not true


    Well, I don't have the same blind faith in Snopes that some do. For example, RE precincts with 100% of the vote for Obama: Is it "a statistical impossiblity" as they quote the claim? No. It's certainly POSSIBLE that everyone in the precinct voted the same way. Yes, these are precincts that fit the demography to be strongly Democratic. But it's still awfully suspcious. Not ONE Republican voter in the entire precinct? And to offer as evidence that the precinct reported a 100% Democrat vote in the last election proves nothing. Who says the fraud started with this election? Maybe they've been falsifying results for many years. If poll-workers wanted to commit fraud, it wouldn't take a genius to just throw away the ballots you don't like and never turn them in. If a precinct reported 100% Republican votes, don't you think someone would at least launch a serious investigation to see if there might not be fraud involved?

    I hope you know the difference between launching an investigation and just claiming what you believe as fact.

    So go ahead, do your investigation and if you find actual evidence (as opposed to anecdotes, speculation, insinuation and rhetorics), show it. Unless and until you can do that, just STFU.
  • foo 2013-02-15 17:27
    jay:
    If a precinct reported 100% Republican votes, don't you think someone would at least launch a serious investigation to see if there might not be fraud involved?

    PS: There actually were precincts with 100% Republican votes (though small ones, but you didn't mention size):
    http://www.nbcchicago.com/blogs/ward-room/In-Some-Utah-Precincts-Obama-Received-No-Votes-179322261.html
  • Anonymous NSW Resident 2013-02-15 22:17
    That last part (the delay while building a new building) sounds just like the New South Wales government in Australia...

    I used to work for one of their departments, and it was exactly like that - buy products and employ people, and only after that do you decide if the buildings can actually fit it all in.
  • Gunslinger 2013-02-16 05:21
    So, TRWTF is Belgium.
  • Gunslinger 2013-02-16 05:34
    Nolbby Bitz:
    If you're going to try and use "evidence", use real evidence.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.asp

    Not true


    The Snopes person is a Democrat, and has been shown to be wrong many times. The new TRWTF here is Snopes.
  • foo 2013-02-16 11:06
    Gunslinger:
    Nolbby Bitz:
    If you're going to try and use "evidence", use real evidence.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.asp

    Not true


    The Snopes person is a Democrat, and has been shown to be wrong many times. The new TRWTF here is Snopes.
    The Gunslinger person is an idiot and has been shown wrong many times.

    Seriously, don't you Reupblicans even try to appear to present some arguments these days?
  • foo 2013-02-16 11:13
    Gunslinger:
    Nolbby Bitz:
    If you're going to try and use "evidence", use real evidence.

    http://www.snopes.com/politics/ballot/2012fraud.asp

    Not true


    The Snopes person is a Democrat, and has been shown to be wrong many times. The new TRWTF here is Snopes.
    Wikipedia:
    Snopes receives more complaints of liberal than conservative bias,[23] but insists that it applies the same debunking standards to all political urban legends. FactCheck reviewed a sample of Snopes' responses to political rumors regarding George W. Bush, Sarah Palin and Barack Obama, and found them to be free from bias in all cases. FactCheck noted that Barbara Mikkelson was a Canadian citizen (and thus unable to vote in US elections) and David Mikkelson was an independent who was once registered as a Republican. "You’d be hard-pressed to find two more apolitical people," David Mikkelson told them.[23][24]
    Well, but don't let facts irritate you. Everyone who disagrees with your fabricated reality must be biased.

    (OK, next you'll point out how Wikipedia and FactCheck are biased etc. etc. Keep living in your continually shrinking "unbiased" world, a.k.a. unskewedpolls.com.)
  • Norman Diamond 2013-02-17 04:36
    foo:
    Wikipedia:
    Snopes receives more complaints of liberal than conservative bias,[23] but insists that it applies the same debunking standards to all political urban legends. FactCheck reviewed a sample of Snopes' responses to political rumors regarding George W. Bush, Sarah Palin and Barack Obama, and found them to be free from bias in all cases. FactCheck noted that Barbara Mikkelson was a Canadian citizen (and thus unable to vote in US elections) and David Mikkelson was an independent who was once registered as a Republican. "You’d be hard-pressed to find two more apolitical people," David Mikkelson told them.[23][24]
    Many Canadian citizens are able to vote in US elections because they have a US parent. Many of them now are learning the hard way that dual citizenship with the US isn't a good idea any more but voting isn't the reason.

    Canadians who have been outside Canada for less than 5 years can still vote in Canada too. Or they can return home and vote immediately.

    I'm not allowed to vote in Japan even though the DPJ, who ruled from 2009 to 2012, personally addressed a postcard to me asking me to vote for them. Also I'm not allowed to give money to campaigns. But I would be allowed to do things like putting up posters and distributing flyers. I know who's the least of 8 evils and which party I'd have done that for if I had free time. As despicable as politics is, alien status does not automatically imply being apolitical.
  • gruntled Postal Worker 2013-02-17 06:38
    Ironside:
    I am not certain but pretty sure Flemish has nothing to do with the Dutch but rather it is the native language of Papa New Guinea. Don't take my word for it though.


    Your joke randomly has some truth in it. Dutch was an official language on New Guinea until 1963.
  • Kabouter Plopperdeplop 2013-02-17 06:59
    Marvin the Martian:
    Severity One:
    The difference between Dutch from the Netherlands and from Flanders is more or less like the difference between British English and American English.

    Not true.

    For example, Dutch TV tends to subtitle programmes made by Flemish TV. (Actually, they sometimes subtitle any random person who doesn't come from the Dutch heartland, `the Randstad', whether understandable or not.)

    Being Flemish, everybody replied to me in English even after living 5years in Amsterdam, even if only speaking 2-3words at first, and even when persisting in replying in Dutch (well, in simplified Flemish). It's not just a matter of different dialect words, it's also differences in sentence structure -- the Dutch have a mortal fear of sub-clauses.

    People always replied in Dutch to my Spanish girlfriend's attempts on (the life of) Dutch, annoyingly.

    All in all an incomprehensible situation, as the other way around there has never been any problem in understanding. I blame mass culture -- 17million people being fed a standardized language ('eenheidsworst') and hence being incapable of understanding the 6million who live one hour driving south and speak the same language.



    Get over your Ollander complex. When we pay attention to you, you're offended. When we don't pay attention to you, you're offended. Any interaction with Flanders or lack thereof will inevitably lead to you lot being offended.

    We are perfectly capable of understanding you southerners, it's just that it's incredibly tiresome to listen to what you spiteful lot are saying much of the time. Note that lauded Flemish cultural exports such as Kabouter Plop, Piet Piraat and K3 don't need subtitling, because they kindly leave out the hateful messaging you're supposed to hear "between the lines".

    We northerners communicate in a frank, straight forward, and yes, rude manner. You southerners communicate in an obfuscated, scheming and sneaky manner. We speak the same language, but don't use it in the same way, so we will never understand each other, and you know what: it's fine with me. You Flemish are more foreign to me than your French speaking compatriots, whom at least aren't (negatively) obsessed with me and my culture.

  • Severity One 2013-02-18 02:16
    And then some people suggest a merge between the Netherlands and Flanders. :)

    Thing is, Malta (at the other end of Europe) feels more like my native Limburg (very south of the Netherlands) than the west of the Netherlands does. That's not to say that I wouldn't like it there: I adore Amsterdam, which is quite simply one of the most fabulous places on earth.

    But I digress. I think what defines the language issue in Flanders is the fiction that there would be a Flemish language, distinct from Dutch. There isn't. In fact, when you look north of Brussels all the way up to the Dutch coast, you see a language continuum from west to east, where Dutch crosses one isogloss after the other, and slowly changes into German. This does not stop at the Dutch-Belgian border.

    So on the west end of Flanders they speak West-Flemish (which they speak in a part of the Netherlands as well), and on the east end of Flanders they speak Limburgish (which again is spoken in part of the Netherlands).

    However, the Flemish government cannot legislate on language issues (only the federal Belgian government can), and anyway, it would go against the idea of a single language area, distinct from both the Netherlands and Wallonia.

    Obviously, the situation is much more complex and much more subtle than described above, but it should give you a bit of an idea why there's always such a fuss between two peoples that share a common language, but that are culturally quite different.
  • foo 2013-02-18 07:22
    Severity One:
    Obviously, the situation is much more complex and much more subtle than described above, but it should give you a bit of an idea why there's always such a fuss between two peoples that share a common language, but that are culturally quite different.
    Thanks. On such an English-language website, we had no idea.
  • Thomas 2013-02-18 08:44
    I started working for the Flemish government on Jan. 1st as member of a team of 13. We're still waiting for our laptops and related peripherals, e-mail addresses and intranet access.

    We're currently bringing our own laptops and we get a new password for the visitor wifi every month. This means we can't access the resources we need, such as network shares and printers. (That's obviously a good thing when you're on a visitor network.)
  • Nap 2013-02-18 09:15
    My wife is Flemish, but we live in Holland. Not only do people automatically reply in English, but I'm reluctant to speak Dutch with my Dutch friends, because they think my Flemish accent is "cute." (Posh, or what have you.)

    On the other hand, the Flemish look down their noses at the Dutch, who like to play fast and loose with grammar—and, especially, have forgotten what articles go with what nouns.
  • JJ 2013-02-18 16:02
    hymie:
    some pony:
    B*LGI*M!


    Really, now, there's no need for that kind of language.
    Okay, 'fess up people. Who here honestly did not get the Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy reference?
  • brt 2013-02-18 20:14
    Oh, don't forget the highway from Brussels to Liege, which they managed to construct upside down! I think my tires were completely ripped to shreds when I arrived at the Meuse.
  • Mason Wheeler 2013-02-20 12:42
    Mr Bean:
    Bobby Tables:
    Ironside:
    the President's daughter has been lain low by an SQL injection.
    You bet she was! Little Bobby has grown up.


    I used to have a colleague who pronounced "SQL" as "Squeal".

    As in "SQL, little piggy, SQL!"


    I've actually heard a few developers pronounce it as "squirrel."
  • riwalk 2013-02-21 12:09
    This must be similar to the "smarter" government that Obama was talking about in his State of the Union address.

    Full steam ahead!
  • sqlblindman 2013-02-27 17:40
    Hired as an Oracle DBA. With no DBA experience.
    The real WTF.