Lyle Can Do Anything Better Than You

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  • mick 2008-06-25 10:05
    My car is made of Nerf.
  • Paula 2008-06-25 10:09
    We should implement the fish factorial philosphy for all our c pound developers. Oh and frist.


    McCain 6
    Obama 3


    Captcha: transverbero
  • gabba 2008-06-25 10:18
    I'm not seeing the WTF here. I _like_ nerf guns. And the story ends up exactly the way it should.
  • Lylecutus 2008-06-25 10:19
    Resistance Is Futile. You Will Be Assimilated.

  • retnuh 2008-06-25 10:26
    What!? no link to James' nerf gun, the shame!!
  • Niki 2008-06-25 10:28
    gabba:
    I'm not seeing the WTF here. I _like_ nerf guns. And the story ends up exactly the way it should.

    Agreed. Isn't the fact that James and Brian bought nerf guns proof that Lyle's FISH! implementation worked has he intended?
  • jtl 2008-06-25 10:30
    gabba:
    I'm not seeing the WTF here. I _like_ nerf guns. And the story ends up exactly the way it should.


    The WTF is that Lyle interprets 'your employees should have fun' into 'Lyle should have fun'
  • NSCoder 2008-06-25 10:36
    Did they claim reimbursement for the NERF guns as a business expense?
  • Wickerman 2008-06-25 10:39
    The real WTF is that so far both of Lyle's team building plans have involved him shooting his staff.
  • AT 2008-06-25 10:41
    Check out this requirement from today's featured non-WTF job (Quantitative Application Developer at Capital IQ):

    "2. A BRIEF cover letter highlighting with your experience in the body of the e-mail. E-mails without a cover letter will not be read."

    That doesn't sound like a non-WTF company to me!
  • Query Object 2008-06-25 10:43
    Wickerman:
    The real WTF is that so far both of Lyle's team building plans have involved him shooting his staff.


    Imminent escalation...
    Nerf guns are gateway weapons.

    Nerf -> rubber band -> slingshot -> disc guns -> bb guns -> real guns...


  • DangerMouse9 2008-06-25 10:43
    The only way this story could've been written any better was if Lyle did it.
  • James 2008-06-25 10:44
    I really thought the "fish!" thing was part of the joke, or an anonymization of a real marketing seminar, until I saw the WP link. Just... wow.
  • Volmarias 2008-06-25 10:44
    AT:
    Check out this requirement from today's featured non-WTF job (Quantitative Application Developer at Capital IQ):

    "2. A BRIEF cover letter highlighting with your experience in the body of the e-mail. E-mails without a cover letter will not be read."

    That doesn't sound like a non-WTF company to me!


    They probably find it a good way to get rid of scattershot headhunter spam.
  • James 2008-06-25 10:44
    "marketing" --> "management"
  • And I 2008-06-25 10:52
    I think this article should be renamed: "Life Imitates Michael Scott"
  • Piepton 2008-06-25 10:53
    After reading the wikipedia article I think this post could have been shortened to 5 words and still been WTF'ey enough. Lyle implemeted the FISH! philosophy.
  • The Dude 2008-06-25 10:55
    Query Object:
    Wickerman:
    The real WTF is that so far both of Lyle's team building plans have involved him shooting his staff.


    Imminent escalation...
    Nerf guns are gateway weapons.

    Nerf -> rubber band -> slingshot -> disc guns -> bb guns -> real guns...




    OMG it's like a gateway drug, only without the drugs!!!
  • Trevel 2008-06-25 10:56
    The real WTF is that so far both of Lyle's team building plans have involved him shooting his staff.


    The real WTF is that the best team building plan would involve his staff shooting Lyle.

    Then, of course, he'd shoot himself BETTER than they did.
  • Hazem 2008-06-25 10:57
    Somehow Lyle's idea of fun reminded me of the Mandatory "Fun" Day over here.
  • Mark 2008-06-25 11:02
    You should save all these Lyle stories for one week and then have Lyle-a-palooza.
  • Proof 2008-06-25 11:03
    One method of recognition is the FISH! card, given by employees to each other when they have demonstrated one of the FISH! concepts. Employees who have earned three FISH! cards are presented with "Pete the Perch" a small stuffed toy fish of varying colors.[citation needed]

    Many companies present these tokens at staff meetings, flinging them, as the employees at Pike Place fling real fish

    From Wikipedia.

    Say WHAT!?
  • Guido 2008-06-25 11:04
    retnuh:
    What!? no link to James' nerf gun, the shame!!

    Aye, I was hoping for that as well :(
  • Kehvarl 2008-06-25 11:05
    I know the article tells us to pronounce it FISH-Factorial, but I can't help but read that as "FISH-Bang".
  • tezoatlipoca 2008-06-25 11:06
    Wickerman:
    The real WTF is that so far both of Lyle's team building plans have involved him shooting his staff.


    Lyle and James work for the Postal service right?
  • DeLos 2008-06-25 11:14
    Kehvarl:
    I know the article tells us to pronounce it FISH-Factorial, but I can't help but read that as "FISH-Bang".


    Fish-bang is something else entirely, yet still a blast!
  • FredSaw 2008-06-25 11:14
    For office warfare I prefer a trebuchet.
  • SomeCoder 2008-06-25 11:18
    Kehvarl:
    I know the article tells us to pronounce it FISH-Factorial, but I can't help but read that as "FISH-Bang".


    Seems like Lyle would be the type to pronounce it as: *shouting* "FISH!!!!"
  • DoctorFriday 2008-06-25 11:19
    Proof:
    One method of recognition is the FISH! card, given by employees to each other when they have demonstrated one of the FISH! concepts. Employees who have earned three FISH! cards are presented with "Pete the Perch" a small stuffed toy fish of varying colors.[citation needed]

    Many companies present these tokens at staff meetings, flinging them, as the employees at Pike Place fling real fish

    From Wikipedia.

    Say WHAT!?

    It's all true! Let's check my real-life desk here...cards...Pete the Perch...Yep Got it all. (gasp! I'm even ON THE FISH COMMITTEE!!! OH NOES!!!)

    Ok, from the inside - some of the stuff admittedly is a little bit ...cheesy... ok. However, our building has a lot of people who are interested in organizing some pretty fun and interesting activities and events in the name of Fish (like a $1 catered lunch, Paper Airplane Competition, Photo Exhibition, etc...) Truly is what you make of it and only really works when the people involved have the energy. Also, you can't lay on the cheese too thick or, naturally, it'll turn people off.

    Do we fling fish at meetings? Haven't seen one yet, but there's a LOT of rubber bands going around.
  • cowboy_k 2008-06-25 11:19
    What, nobody has mentioned The Great Office War yet?
  • Anon. 2008-06-25 11:30
    FredSaw:
    For office warfare I prefer a trebuchet.

    I prefer a trebuchet ms.
  • fanguad 2008-06-25 11:34
    SomeCoder:
    Kehvarl:
    I know the article tells us to pronounce it FISH-Factorial, but I can't help but read that as "FISH-Bang".


    Seems like Lyle would be the type to pronounce it as: *shouting* "FISH!!!!"



    FIIIIIISH!
  • Paul 2008-06-25 11:38
    Why does Lyle remind me of David Brent from the The Office (UK version)?
  • Mark34625 2008-06-25 11:42
    The real WTF is how no-one has punched TF out of Lyle after being hit with a nerf gun whilst working. I certainly would!
  • irishlyrucked 2008-06-25 11:57
    This sounds like my old manager. Plenty of time for everything but getting work done. We had nerf wars in our offices, about once a week, to relieve the tension. Donald Duck (what we called our manager) would aim at peoples faces because it was funny. And it was really funny to him when he took off his glasses and caught every dart from one of those rapid firing automatic nerf-knockoffs in the face.
  • Mr Ascii 2008-06-25 11:58
    James:
    I really thought the "fish!" thing was part of the joke, or an anonymization of a real marketing seminar, until I saw the WP link. Just... wow.

    I lived it at a company. Except they usually wanted the employees to pick up the tab for FISH! activities.
  • Andy Goth 2008-06-25 12:01
    Amazing. Efseykho has already updated Wikipedia with a reference to this article.
  • ObiWayneKenobi 2008-06-25 12:01
    Given that I think the last article to feature Lyle mentioned that eventually he was fired, I'd love to the story about that and just what lead to his dismissal (as if there wasn't enough info here). Maybe part 3 of a 3-part Lyle trilogy?
  • valerion 2008-06-25 12:01
    Ok, who edited the Wikipedia article to reference this article already?

    Ah, I see somebody provided the answer milli-seconds before I asked the question. Well done!
  • snoofle 2008-06-25 12:06
    At my first job at a military subcontractor, we had an annual office-war, where you had to make your "weapons" out of junk found around the office.

    One of the engineers took apart a copy-machine, a lazy susan and some loose dowling, and made a rubber-band machine gun. It fired about 200 10 inch rubber bands in 30 seconds (it left quite a welt if you got caught dead-on). I found some very thin plastic wrap and powder (from manufacturing) and made smoke bombs. Between us, we clobbered the other team.

    Nerf? Bah!
  • Andy Goth 2008-06-25 12:09
    In the Sluggy Freelance story Rescue Mission to the North Pole!, aliens attack the North Pole because of the high concentration of NERF toys. The aliens are severely allergic to NERF (it causes them to die), and all the NERF toys are in the shape of weapons, so they conclude Santa is an international arms dealer who is equipping the children of earth for an assault on the aliens.
  • Obvious Troll 2008-06-25 12:12
    We had some great nerf fights in my company. Since we had low cube walls and our office space was a converted factory floor, you could tag someone 25-30 feet away!
  • Andy Goth 2008-06-25 12:15
    I was going to make fun on you for saying "3-part trilogy", but then I remembered the 5-part Hitchhiker's Guide trilogy. Thank you for that. :^)
  • Erik 2008-06-25 12:17
    I had a management class a few years ago where groups had to do presentations on various management philosophies, and the FISH! philosophy is by far the stupidest one (and there's a lot of competition for that title).

    Maybe FISH! would work if you're in a company full of naturally high-energy people that feel that goofing off makes them more productive, but if you're in that kind of environment they're going to be implementing the philosophy anyway without ever having heard of it.

    Personally, I've worked in environments where the management was constantly trying to up the energy level and get people to have fun, and unless your job involves actually flinging fish around it just doesn't work. My job involves sitting at a desk and typing most of the day, any extra energy you manage to stir up in me while I'm doing that will just be wasted plotting your demise.
  • Yazeran 2008-06-25 12:21
    Query Object:
    Wickerman:
    The real WTF is that so far both of Lyle's team building plans have involved him shooting his staff.


    Imminent escalation...
    Nerf guns are gateway weapons.

    Nerf -> rubber band -> slingshot -> disc guns -> bb guns -> real guns...




    Your forgot the rest of the list:
    -> Assault rifles -> Artillery -> JDAM's -> ICBM's -> Asteroids (or anything else at sufficient speed for that matter :-)...

    Yazeran

    Plan: To go to Mars one day with a hammer
  • Niki 2008-06-25 12:21
    I think a lot of the principles behind FISH! are sound. However I think once you bring "workplace management systems" into the equation it ruins it for all.

    In other words, when office fun is spontaneous and self-implementing it's good. When it's enforced as a management technique...not so much.

    We have a couple of Nerf guns at my office, which were brought in by employees. I have a tendency to get people's attention by throwing a Novell/SuSE novelty plush toy at people. We have Formal Fridays. For the most part all of this comes from the employee up. The only notable exception is Rock Band nights which are organized by the boss.
  • Jasmine 2008-06-25 12:23
    I find it really fascinating that this article has already been added to the Wikipedia page about FISH! Very interesting indeed.... :)
  • NCBloodhound 2008-06-25 12:31
    Wickerman:
    The real WTF is that so far both of Lyle's team building plans have involved him shooting his staff.


    Next week he gets all of his employees NRA memberships...
  • Efseykho 2008-06-25 12:34
    Apparently, adding a link to this story is not constructive according to wikipedia rules. If anyone wonders why it got deleted.
    woops!
  • Southern 2008-06-25 12:36
    fanguad:
    SomeCoder:
    Kehvarl:
    I know the article tells us to pronounce it FISH-Factorial, but I can't help but read that as "FISH-Bang".


    Seems like Lyle would be the type to pronounce it as: *shouting* "FISH!!!!"



    FIIIIIISH!


    FISH FACTORIAL FACTORIAL FACTORIAL FACTORIAL (and so on..)
  • h 2008-06-25 12:37
    Proof:
    One method of recognition is the FISH! card, given by employees to each other when they have demonstrated one of the FISH! concepts. Employees who have earned three FISH! cards are presented with "Pete the Perch" a small stuffed toy fish of varying colors.[citation needed]

    Many companies present these tokens at staff meetings, flinging them, as the employees at Pike Place fling real fish

    From Wikipedia.

    Say WHAT!?

    Seriously. I thought this was straight out of The Office (some unknown hidden scene or something), but even comedians couldn't make up something this wicked... Hell, the script of the movie just writes itself.

    The best part is the interview on youtube of the guy (link in wikipedia article) from the Fish market place who says they don't agree with the Fish Factorial videos... I mean, WTF!??
  • j0k3r 2008-06-25 12:42
    I don't really get it. Clueless middle management that sucks at reading his/her employees? How is this a WTF? That's an everyday occurrence.

    Philosophical psychobabble in 3...2...1:
    When does an event/attitude such as this stop being a WTF and begin to be an accepted norm...a postulate if you will.
  • joeybladb 2008-06-25 12:53
    Oh good lord:
    When Wikipedia says "some employees find these techniques ridiculous and demeaning," I think it's specifically referring to Lyle's warped interpretation.


    You mean this FISH! stuff isn't made up? You can't make this shit up! (I mean, you can't make up the fact that this FISH! stuff isn't made up)
  • BryanM 2008-06-25 12:57
    Lyle == Michael Scott?
  • SomeCoder 2008-06-25 13:00
    j0k3r:
    I don't really get it. Clueless middle management that sucks at reading his/her employees? How is this a WTF? That's an everyday occurrence.

    Philosophical psychobabble in 3...2...1:
    When does an event/attitude such as this stop being a WTF and begin to be an accepted norm...a postulate if you will.


    Isn't that TRWTF? Why do we have to accept crap like this as an "accepted norm" ?

    Not flaming you, just wondering why "business as usual" - even when a complete WTF - is just normal and accepted.

    The best way - in my very humble opinion - to increase worker happiness and office productivity is to have a relatively low stress environment. And specifically, I mean having managers actively working toward that.

    When every request to take time off is met by an interrogation, that's high stress. If your boss is so anal that you can't joke around with him (appropriately), that's high stress.

    Even if the job itself is inherently high stress, management can do little things to lower it (free soda, being approachable and easy going, etc. are far better ways to lower the stress than FISH!)
  • dsmouse 2008-06-25 13:06
    The shootings will continue until moral improves.
  • Patrick 2008-06-25 13:19
    Increase Productivity Through Demeaning Rewards
  • ContraCorners 2008-06-25 13:21
    Andy Goth:
    I was going to make fun on you for saying "3-part trilogy", but then I remembered the 5-part Hitchhiker's Guide trilogy. Thank you for that. :^)


    So Long, Lyle, and Thanks for all the Fish!
  • Dude 2008-06-25 13:23
    valerion:
    Ok, who edited the Wikipedia article to reference this article already?


    What idiot referenced this site? I'm gonna go and change it back. I hate when people screw with wikipedia sites. You are a bunch of stupid jerks!
  • FredSaw 2008-06-25 13:27
    dsmouse:
    The shootings will continue until moral improves.
    ...and the morale of this story is... down!
  • Wikipedia Editor 2008-06-25 13:28
    Dude:
    valerion:
    Ok, who edited the Wikipedia article to reference this article already?


    What idiot referenced this site? I'm gonna go and change it back. I hate when people screw with wikipedia sites. You are a bunch of stupid jerks!


    What idiot removed my Wikipedia reference to this site? I'm gonna go and change it back. I hate when people screw with Wikipedia sites. You are a bunch of stupid jerks!
  • Franz Kafka 2008-06-25 13:31
    Yazeran:
    Query Object:

    Nerf -> rubber band -> slingshot -> disc guns -> bb guns -> real guns...




    Your forgot the rest of the list:
    -> Assault rifles -> Artillery -> JDAM's -> ICBM's -> Asteroids (or anything else at sufficient speed for that matter :-)...

    Yazeran

    Plan: To go to Mars one day with a hammer


    Really, suborbital crowbars are all you should need for office engagements...
  • shMerker 2008-06-25 13:55
    I thought grown men behaving like children and not being held responsible for their behavior was always a WTF.
  • res 2008-06-25 13:57
    maybe this one... long shot
  • Bowie 2008-06-25 13:57

    Anything can be sold to everyone, at any time, by anyone.



  • spejic 2008-06-25 14:00
    > In other words, when office fun is spontaneous and
    > self-implementing it's good. When it's enforced as a
    > management technique...not so much.

    Ah yes, the Catch-22 of philosophical self-consciousness. Once someone tells you how to do it, you can no longer do it. Just as Nietzsche describes how to be the superman in his books, but if you are the kind of person who reads books on philosophy for a guide to life, you will never be the superman.
  • Steve 2008-06-25 14:28
    I smell harrassment suit coming on.
  • Wyle_E 2008-06-25 14:45
    While a Nerf missile is not a "dangerous weapon", so Lyle can't be charged with aggravated battery, he's still guilty of simple battery. His victims should call the fuckin' cops. If they aren't willing to bother the police, perhaps they should point out to senior management that productivity increased while Lyle was out of the office, so the company would be better off without him.
  • FredSaw 2008-06-25 15:05
    spejic:
    ...but if you are the kind of person who reads books on philosophy for a guide to life, you will never be the superman.
    I just read Nietzsche for light entertainment every now and then.

    No, wait, that's Siegel I'm thinking of. Sorry, the matching vowels got me confused.
  • John 2008-06-25 15:08
    What? Open and unabashed mockery wasn't the intended result of corporate "team building" exercises?

    Fish..... even sounds retarded.
  • syntaxeater 2008-06-25 15:08
    We had done the FISH philosophy thing at my first job (They came in and gave the seminar to everyone, not just our managers). At the end of the seminar, we all received plush fish to keep on our desks and toss around to one another. Instead of it being a team building activity, my boss used it as a replacement for his phone. You'd have your headphones on, coding away on your project when a fish would come screaming by your head. He wasn't very accurate and ended up knocking over everything on your desk. No matter how hard you slammed your headphones down and intently glared at him; he would still have this dumb look on his face as if he was living out his high school football days.

    I can deffinitely sympathize with the OP.
  • m0ffx 2008-06-25 15:39
    Since guns were involved, it stands to reason that it's "Fish-BANG".

    As for how to deal with Lyle...smuggle a CPS 2000 in. The most powerful water gun sold. Next time Lyle shoots you, pull out the CPS and BLAST!

    Be accurate though. The gun launches a litre (2 US pints) of water in just over a second.
  • Dude 2008-06-25 15:55
    Wikipedia Editor:
    Dude:
    valerion:
    Ok, who edited the Wikipedia article to reference this article already?


    What idiot referenced this site? I'm gonna go and change it back. I hate when people screw with wikipedia sites. You are a bunch of stupid jerks!


    What idiot removed my Wikipedia reference to this site? I'm gonna go and change it back. I hate when people screw with Wikipedia sites. You are a bunch of stupid jerks!


    Seriously, if you want to get into an edit war, keep acting like a fool. I'll go and mess up all the wiki pages you've ever edited!
  • jayh 2008-06-25 15:58
    I think many of these 'team building' ideas are a variant on the cargo cult. During WWII inhabitants of some Pacific islands were fascinated by the Allied soldiers, with their Jeeps, airplanes, and money. After the war and the soldiers departed, they built replica airports, planes etc. to re-attract visitors and business.

    Seminar 'psychologists' see workplaces that are (for a variety of subtle reasons) very productive, and they pick on some stupid trivial characteristic and try to replicate that, thinking that will somehow transform the workplace. Duh, doesn't work because they simply did not understand what was going on. (School uniforms are another area where this mindless fix has failed miserably)

  • CynicalTyler 2008-06-25 16:09
    Wickerman:
    The real WTF is that so far both of Lyle's team building plans have involved him shooting his staff.
    Wanna make an omelet, you gotta crack a few eggs.
  • Mray 2008-06-25 16:15
    We used to have nerf fights in the office. Two things changed that.. First, Nerf released the Storm -- a 32 barrel fully automatic weapon that literally buried the target in nerf softair projectiles.. and second, that the Storm sounded like a 'Ma two' 50 cal machine gun.

    After a couple of localized firefights, managers of nearby teams began to complain that we were making too much noise.

    Years later, all the teams and combatants are gone (new teams, different jobs).. but I still keep my clip-fed semi-automatic in the top drawer just in case.
  • Moekandu 2008-06-25 16:27
    You know, I'm thinking that eventually, it's all going to culminate in James and Lyle dropping trou and kicking off a full-frontal dickwaving contest.

    Though, I'd rather not have any confirmation of such an event, were it to actually occur.
  • Max 2008-06-25 16:49
    the real WTF is that there is this a large amount of people claiming that "this is in fact the real wtf".
  • Pope 2008-06-25 17:06
    Wickerman:
    The real WTF is that so far both of Lyle's team building plans have involved him shooting his staff.


    But he's so good at it!
  • j0k3r 2008-06-25 17:36
    Dude:
    Wikipedia Editor:
    Dude:
    valerion:
    Ok, who edited the Wikipedia article to reference this article already?


    What idiot referenced this site? I'm gonna go and change it back. I hate when people screw with wikipedia sites. You are a bunch of stupid jerks!


    What idiot removed my Wikipedia reference to this site? I'm gonna go and change it back. I hate when people screw with Wikipedia sites. You are a bunch of stupid jerks!


    Seriously, if you want to get into an edit war, keep acting like a fool. I'll go and mess up all the wiki pages you've ever edited!

    Seriously, if you want to get into an edit war, you must be the biggest douche on the planet. No mature self-respecting adult would get into such childish banter...so yeah.

    Where's the wiki article about douche? Someone needs to add a picture of Dude.
  • FISH Guy 2008-06-25 17:53
    Is this actually a real story? I'm quite confused here...

    I'm hoping that wasn't a real story. And that Lyle isn't a real person.
  • Eternal Density 2008-06-25 19:29
    spejic:
    Ah yes, the Catch-22 of philosophical self-consciousness. Once someone tells you how to do it, you can no longer do it.
    is that the rationale for sex ed?
  • Indima 2008-06-25 19:31
    I think that James W should make up better stories, stuff that will make me laugh and cry. These storylines from old 'The Office' episodes just don't make it for me. :-(
  • Vermis 2008-06-25 20:06
    Query Object:
    Wickerman:
    The real WTF is that so far both of Lyle's team building plans have involved him shooting his staff.


    Imminent escalation...
    Nerf guns are gateway weapons.

    Nerf -> rubber band -> slingshot -> disc guns -> bb guns -> real guns...


    Heh, Works for me! http://www.engadget.com/2008/01/16/meet-the-disintegrator-24-barrels-of-rubber-band-minigun-madnes/

  • lawl 2008-06-25 20:26
    I'm liking this... maybe it'll become a series. I hope James can enjoy the battle for sanity as much as Lyle enjoys the battle for supremely ultimate management awesomeness... what a goob.
  • chrismcb 2008-06-25 20:49
    Wikipedia Editor:
    Dude:
    valerion:
    Ok, who edited the Wikipedia article to reference this article already?


    What idiot referenced this site? I'm gonna go and change it back. I hate when people screw with wikipedia sites. You are a bunch of stupid jerks!


    What idiot removed my Wikipedia reference to this site? I'm gonna go and change it back. I hate when people screw with Wikipedia sites. You are a bunch of stupid jerks!


    I love how the page hasn't been touched in months. But today there are 13 edits!
    Granted the reference to thedailywtf.com didn't belong.
  • Ben 2008-06-25 21:06
    At a place I used to work a few years ago one of the marketing guys happened to have a 4' long plush catfish that he had bought for his kid but decided to bring into work for some reason. Now, as I am sure many of you know, the only obvious use for such a toy is to see how people react to a giant, soft, stuffed fish flying into their cubicle with no warning.

    Not quite the edible goodness that is Pike's Place, but needless to say we made quite a few good memories with that fish.
  • Lyle 2008-06-25 21:15

    Lyle embraced all of the tenets of the FISH! philosophy that he could distill to "shoot employees with Nerf gun." When Wikipedia says "some employees find these techniques ridiculous and demeaning," I think it's specifically referring to Lyle's warped interpretation.


    Actually, Wikipedia says that it's the best idea ever, ESPECIALLY when Lyle is doing it. That's because Lyle is a better Wikipedia editor than you'll ever be!

    Who is awesome? Lyle is!
  • Balony 2008-06-25 21:17
    Ack. Lyle can bash Lyle better than you.
  • y0dizzle in australia 2008-06-25 22:49
    A symptom of Americas gun culture?
  • Algien Mas 2008-06-25 23:45
    http://uncyclopedia.org/wiki/Douche
    I find uncyclopedia much more reliable than wikipedia
  • Dan 2008-06-25 23:55
    My sons go to a primary school that uses the Fish philosphy. I'm not sure what that implies about the school or about Lyle, but they aren't allowed to shoot each other!
  • Pacifist 2008-06-26 00:45
    People that believe in violence should be shot.
  • equex 2008-06-26 03:35
    And this story is interesting because .... ?
  • anoncow 2008-06-26 05:26
    The real WTF is that this was on TDWTF just a few months ago.
  • Johny Mark 2008-06-26 07:27
    spejic:
    > In other words, when office fun is spontaneous and
    > self-implementing it's good. When it's enforced as a
    > management technique...not so much.

    Ah yes, the Catch-22 of philosophical self-consciousness. Once someone tells you how to do it, you can no longer do it. Just as Nietzsche describes how to be the superman in his books, but if you are the kind of person who reads books on philosophy for a guide to life, you will never be the superman.


    Damn, and I was trying to use my X-Ray vision all day long! Nietzsche, YOU LIAR!
  • Tei 2008-06-26 07:33
    Johny Mark:
    spejic:
    > In other words, when office fun is spontaneous and
    > self-implementing it's good. When it's enforced as a
    > management technique...not so much.

    Ah yes, the Catch-22 of philosophical self-consciousness. Once someone tells you how to do it, you can no longer do it. Just as Nietzsche describes how to be the superman in his books, but if you are the kind of person who reads books on philosophy for a guide to life, you will never be the superman.


    Damn, and I was trying to use my X-Ray vision all day long! Nietzsche, YOU LIAR!


    You could become the ubermench playing computer PVP games.
    PVP hard core versus PVE carebeanism == Kant moral versus cristian moral

    With carebeanism, you make other people become weak and suffer, and that what Kant really hate. A computer game with a PVP enviroment make you strong, and make you be happy against the odds. So make you a better, but maybe not good in the cristian way.

    Almost the 60% avoid PVP enviroments, and feel that PVP enviroments are wrong, because theres not protection for the weak in the form of the strong being punished for his strongnest, punished by itself, or by the system.
  • Johny Mark 2008-06-26 08:04
    Tei:
    Johny Mark:
    spejic:
    > In other words, when office fun is spontaneous and
    > self-implementing it's good. When it's enforced as a
    > management technique...not so much.

    Ah yes, the Catch-22 of philosophical self-consciousness. Once someone tells you how to do it, you can no longer do it. Just as Nietzsche describes how to be the superman in his books, but if you are the kind of person who reads books on philosophy for a guide to life, you will never be the superman.


    Damn, and I was trying to use my X-Ray vision all day long! Nietzsche, YOU LIAR!


    You could become the ubermench playing computer PVP games.
    PVP hard core versus PVE carebeanism == Kant moral versus cristian moral

    With carebeanism, you make other people become weak and suffer, and that what Kant really hate. A computer game with a PVP enviroment make you strong, and make you be happy against the odds. So make you a better, but maybe not good in the cristian way.

    Almost the 60% avoid PVP enviroments, and feel that PVP enviroments are wrong, because theres not protection for the weak in the form of the strong being punished for his strongnest, punished by itself, or by the system.


    Nah, 60% avoid PVP environments because they prefer to stick to non-PVP areas before they are strong enough not to get killed several times in a row. Are lions hunting right after they are born? Not really. They need protection until they get strong enough to protect themselves.
  • KenW 2008-06-26 08:41
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    Seriously, if you want to get into an edit war, you must be the biggest douche on the planet. No mature self-respecting adult would get into such childish banter...so yeah.

    Where's the wiki article about douche? Someone needs to add a picture of Dude.


    Please don't feed the trolls. If you ignore them, they eventually go away.

    Dude apparently figured out that there were other places here to troll than the forums (where he's been trolling for a week or so). Hopefully, if we pay no attention to him, he'll wander off back to his usual place at lolcats or whatever.
  • KenW 2008-06-26 08:45
    anoncow:
    The real WTF is that this was on TDWTF just a few months ago.


    The real WTF is that some moron who posts under the name anoncow can't figure out that it wasn't; another post about Lyle was. In fact, this article contains a link to it, dumbass.
  • cconroy 2008-06-26 09:52
    dsmouse:
    The shootings will continue until spelling improves.


    FTFY.
  • TomatoQueen 2008-06-26 09:56
    shMerker:
    I thought grown men behaving like children and not being held responsible for their behavior was always a WTF.


    That's the default setting.
  • Salvador G. 2008-06-26 12:14
    Google "The great office war." I think that is the aftermath of what Lyle and his co-workers are literally "shooting" for.
  • IByte 2008-06-26 16:01
    I thought the Wikipedia article on the FISH! Philosophy was pretty much of a WTF in itself... My mouth literally fell open from reading that.
  • Anony Moose 2008-06-26 16:48
    The FISH thing can be good.

    The FISH thing implemented by a manager who thinks that sending a memo making fun mandatory is good management, well, not so much.

    Of course, like all good ideas it started out organically, just a bunch of people in the workplace enjoying their job because their boss doesn't have mandatory fun days - then the terrorists (er, I mean management consultants) got hold of it and simply had to work out "rules" that will ensure profit via "fun".
  • Tick 2008-06-26 17:56
    Have you seen the video on Youtube on this thing.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVKnF26qFFM
  • Edward Royce 2008-06-26 18:05
    Hmmmm.

    Don't know about you guys but I'm stealing this for my Paranoia campaign!
  • danixdefcon5 2008-06-26 18:09
    Nerf guns? I would counter that with the almighty USB MISSILE LAUNCHER! Actually, I'd put some four of 'em just to do their job as a Nerf deterrent ;)
  • Physics Phil 2008-06-27 00:49
    Wickerman:
    The real WTF is that so far both of Lyle's team building plans have involved him shooting his staff.

    Does this bring the management training from Good Omens to anyone else's mind?
  • Brandon K 2008-06-27 13:47
    I have that nerf gun, it's the only gun I've seen that can fling nerf balls so fast they actually sting a bit.
  • IByte 2008-06-28 08:39
    Anony Moose:
    [...]Of course, like all good ideas it started out organically, [...]
    FISH started out organically? Having slept through all of my biology classes, I never would have guessed...
  • Arancaytar 2008-06-30 03:37
    Wickerman:
    The real WTF is that so far both of Lyle's team building plans have involved him shooting his staff.


    Which is ironic in that it is the exact opposite of what would solve the problem. Not to worry though, if he continues like this, it won't be long.
  • someone 2008-07-01 16:48
    He is shooting his staff with a nerf gun all day?

    People have sued over repeated paper cuts... You'd think someone would sue for this.
  • Kuba 2008-07-02 09:12
    jayh:
    I think many of these 'team building' ideas are a variant on the cargo cult. During WWII inhabitants of some Pacific islands were fascinated by the Allied soldiers, with their Jeeps, airplanes, and money. After the war and the soldiers departed, they built replica airports, planes etc. to re-attract visitors and business.

    Seminar 'psychologists' see workplaces that are (for a variety of subtle reasons) very productive, and they pick on some stupid trivial characteristic and try to replicate that, thinking that will somehow transform the workplace. Duh, doesn't work because they simply did not understand what was going on. (School uniforms are another area where this mindless fix has failed miserably)



    This should be a featured post. Kudos for saying how it really is. I wholeheartedly agree.
  • N/A 2008-07-07 11:37
    http://www.writersvillage.com/character/Compensatory-Narcissistic.htm


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