More Dynamic-er Than Yours

  • Person 2006-04-24 15:07
    OMG FIRST POST!!!11!!!ONE!!!1!!!!!<br>
  • tdog 2006-04-24 15:09
    <P>No Way!!!</P>
    <P>I think I work with the guy that wrote that mess upon mess.</P>
  • R.Flowers 2006-04-24 15:10
    Fifteen to twenty pages? Just pull the pages up in a browser, save the source as HTML files (making exceptions for the DHMTL menu, etc.), make your changes, and done. Then burn those PHP files!<br>
  • ParkinT 2006-04-24 15:11
    <P>
    ...the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.
    </P>
    <P>After all the WTFs I have read on this site, that appears to be a 'sensible' client.&nbsp; Resigning to the fact that <STRONG>some things are just not worth the trouble</STRONG>.</P>
  • shaggz 2006-04-24 15:12
    <P>What a PITA.&nbsp; He could have just gotten one of the various browser plugins that will display the javascript generated html, then saved those 20 pages off 1 by 1, and relink where necessary.&nbsp; Only prob there is that most of those plugins are firefox, and i'm guessing the damned javascript was erroring out in firefox to begin with.</P>
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  • Erelyes 2006-04-24 15:12
    &nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp; The first BS is why I am coming to hate blogs.<br>
  • Frakkle 2006-04-24 15:12
    <P>..... "Enterprise HTML"?</P>
  • codeman 2006-04-24 15:12
    I think it's well on its way to becoming an Enterprise-class system. Just add in a few constants to redefine Truth, put all the scripts in vector-vectors and <I>definitely</I> add a check for FileNotFound, and voila!
  • Diamonds 2006-04-24 15:13
    R.Flowers:
    Fifteen to twenty pages? Just pull the pages up in a browser, save the source as HTML files (making exceptions for the DHMTL menu, etc.), make your changes, and done. Then burn those PHP files!<BR>


    I have to agree with this
  • ParkinT 2006-04-24 15:13
    <P>
    codeman:
    I think it's well on its way to becoming an Enterprise-class system. Just add in a few constants to redefine Truth, put all the scripts in vector-vectors and <I>definitely</I> add a check for FileNotFound, and voila!
    </P>
    <P>Agreed.&nbsp; A system to make PAULA proud.</P>
  • merreborn 2006-04-24 15:18
    Don't generate static pages dynamically.<br>
  • Runtime Error 2006-04-24 15:19
    codeman:
    I think it's well on its way to becoming an
    Enterprise-class system. Just add in a few constants to redefine Truth,
    put all the scripts in vector-vectors and <i>definitely</i> add a check for FileNotFound, and voila!
    <br>
    <br>
    Needs more XML<br>
  • shaggz 2006-04-24 15:19
    <P>
    Alex Papadimoulis:
    </P>
    <P><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><FONT color=#000000>After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></P>
    <P><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><FONT color=#000000>
    </FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></P>
    <P><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><FONT color=#000000>So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></P>
  • ParkinT 2006-04-24 15:20
    <P>(D)HTML that calls JavaScript that is generated by PHP based on a dynamic (external) value...</P>
    <P>&nbsp;</P>
    <P>There <STRONG>MUST</STRONG> be a crime in there somewere!</P>
  • Other User 2006-04-24 15:22
    merreborn:
    Don't generate static pages dynamically.<br>
    <br><br>I'll do what I want.  <br>
  • masklinn 2006-04-24 15:24
    shaggz:
    <p>What a PITA.&nbsp; He could have just gotten one of the various browser plugins that will display the javascript generated html, then saved those 20 pages off 1 by 1, and relink where necessary.&nbsp; Only prob there is that most of those plugins are firefox, and i'm guessing the damned javascript was erroring out in firefox to begin with.</p>

    <p>I concur. And I'm even pretty sure Firefox can do it out of the box: CTRL+A, right click => View Selection Source does in fact display the generated code (that can be seen by checking that every single &lt;table&gt; has a &lt;tbody&gt; while nearly nobody uses them in their sources)</p>
  • md2perpe 2006-04-24 15:26
    R.Flowers:
    Fifteen to twenty pages? Just pull the pages up in a browser, save the source as HTML files (making exceptions for the DHMTL menu, etc.), make your changes, and done. Then burn those PHP files!
    <br>Burn them because they're unnecessary or because they're PHP?<br><br>The first thing I should check is if the PHP scripts send correct headers. Firefox is picky about those. Shouldn't be too hard to add<br>&lt;?php header('Content-Type: text/javascript'); ?&gt;<br>in all JS-files and<br>&lt;?php header('Content-Type: text/css') ?&gt;<br>in the stylesheet files.<br>
  • shaggz 2006-04-24 15:27
    <P>DataInterface should not have a bindToPage() method.&nbsp; Instead, it should be bindToXML().&nbsp; Then, they should roll their own xslt transformation library in javascript.&nbsp;&nbsp;Finally, every dynamically geneated hyperlink should invoke ajax calls which fetch more and more xml.&nbsp; This framework looks tight.&nbsp; [:P]</P>
  • Browserbation 2006-04-24 15:27
    Anonymous:
    codeman:
    I think it's well on its way to becoming an
    Enterprise-class system. Just add in a few constants to redefine Truth,
    put all the scripts in vector-vectors and <i>definitely</i> add a check for FileNotFound, and voila!
    <br>
    <br>
    Needs more XML<br>
    <br>Not only that, but it needs to put that XML into fields in a database, and then put the CSS and HTML attributes and tags in fields along with the data.&nbsp; This one has a long way to go to be truly world-class Enterpricy!<br>
  • n89j 2006-04-24 15:29
    shaggz:
    <p>What a PITA.&nbsp; He could have just gotten one of the various browser plugins that will display the javascript generated html, then saved those 20 pages off 1 by 1, and relink where necessary.&nbsp; Only prob there is that most of those plugins are firefox, and i'm guessing the damned javascript was erroring out in firefox to begin with.</p>
    <br><br>Not quite.<br><br>First, it's not a plugin.&nbsp; It's just JavaScript.<br><br>Second, said JavaScript works in IE.<br><br>http://www.squarefree.com/bookmarklets/webdevel.html<br><br>
  • nobody 2006-04-24 15:31
    <P>This amazes me to the extent that I have to ask an honest question.&nbsp; Why would *anyone*, no matter how inexperienced or inept, ever possibly do something like this??&nbsp; Not to give this individual the benefit of the doubt, but could there be some "grand scheme" in the back of someone's mind (or textbook) that would lead to such insanity?</P>
  • RenMan 2006-04-24 15:35
    I agree with <span id="PostFlatView"><b><span class="inlineLink" onclick="window.open('/user/Profile.aspx?UserID=1639')">md2perpe.</span></b><span class="inlineLink" onclick="window.open('/user/Profile.aspx?UserID=1639')"> Sure, it's a little overengineered, but if the dynamic rendering code is written well and concisely, it should not be too difficult to add in some browser detection code, and branch the rendering code accordingly. <br><br></span><span class="inlineLink" onclick="window.open('/user/Profile.aspx?UserID=1639')"></span></span>
  • R.Flowers 2006-04-24 15:35
    md2perpe:
    <br>Burn them because they're unnecessary or because they're PHP?<br><br>
    <br><br>I'm not a reflexive PHP hater. [:D] But that is one ugly-ass way of doing something.<br><br>BTW, I did not think about the JavaScript producing/not producing a viewable HTML source.<br>
  • Mr. The Plague 2006-04-24 15:40
    Hot.

    Mutually recursive dynamism.
  • md2perpe 2006-04-24 15:43
    R.Flowers:
    I'm not a reflexive PHP hater. [:D] But that is one ugly-ass way of doing something.
    <br>That's true; no matter if the server-side things are done in PHP, ASP, C#, Perl, Python or Brainfuck. Also, I belong to those who think that a web page should work with JavaScript disabled. This page obviously won't.<br>
  • APAQ11 2006-04-24 15:43
    I believe this is a case for the If Browser=Firefox then ErrorBox.show("Get a Real Browser: IE") that showed up on this site a few weeks ago.
  • codeman 2006-04-24 15:49
    Anonymous:
    codeman:
    I think it's well on its way to becoming an Enterprise-class system. Just add in a few constants to redefine Truth, put all the scripts in vector-vectors and <I>definitely</I> add a check for FileNotFound, and voila!
    <BR><BR>Needs more XML<BR>


    Actually, we use XML in a totally non-enterprise manner (someone decided they wanted to use it, even though there was absolutely no justification for it, and they said so in the comments at the top of the xml file).

    It's not the XML that makes it an Enterprise system, it's the ABUSE of XML that makes it an Enterprise system.
  • Bill Gates 2006-04-24 15:51
    Anonymous:
    I believe this is a case for the If Browser=Firefox then ErrorBox.show("Get a Real Browser: IE") that showed up on this site a few weeks ago.
    <br><br>&nbsp;I would like to just take this chance to thank you.<br><br>&nbsp;we all know that Microsoft software rules them all.<br>&nbsp;it's nice to see you back that up.<br><br>Cause you seem to be really well informed.<br>
  • John Doe 2006-04-24 15:53
    Anonymous:
    I believe this is a case for the If Browser=Firefox then ErrorBox.show("Get a Real Browser: IE") that showed up on this site a few weeks ago.
    <br><br>IE!!!??? <br><br>IE is a virus<br>
  • Steve Ballmer 2006-04-24 15:53
    Anonymous:
    Anonymous:
    I believe this is a case for the If Browser=Firefox then ErrorBox.show("Get a Real Browser: IE") that showed up on this site a few weeks ago.
    <br><br>&nbsp;I would like to just take this chance to thank you.<br><br>&nbsp;we all know that Microsoft software rules them all.<br>&nbsp;it's nice to see you back that up.<br><br>Cause you seem to be really well informed.<br>
    <br>But how much will it cost me, even with Reversi!?!?!<br>
  • Anonymous Coward 2006-04-24 15:55
    I betcha the PHP script was reading static HTML templates, parsing&nbsp;them and then coverting into JavaScript.
  • RevEng 2006-04-24 15:57
    Anonymous:
    I believe this is a case for the If
    Browser=Firefox then ErrorBox.show("Get a Real Browser: IE") that
    showed up on this site a few weeks ago.
    <br>
    <br>
    That abhorrent mess doesn't work under FireFox and you blame
    FireFox?&nbsp; Good God man!&nbsp; How long have you been working for
    Microsoft?<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    This is exactly the kind of crap you would find in a university
    textbook.&nbsp; Abstract everything beyond understanding.&nbsp; You
    need a database, a view, a renderer for that view (which must be
    abstract too), which should then be translated into...&nbsp; GAH!<br>
    <br>
    Static content is static. Why on Earth would you dynamically-generate
    static content?&nbsp; And by using two levels of dynamic-generation in
    different languages!<br>
    <br>
    I'm with you md2perpe, it better work when I disable JavaScript.&nbsp;
    It just goes back to one of the most important design rules ever: fail
    gracefully!<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    This reminds me of an old Alice Cooper song.&nbsp;&nbsp; "Welcome to my nightmare..."<br>
  • R.Flowers 2006-04-24 15:57
    Anonymous:
    I betcha the PHP script was reading static HTML templates, parsing&nbsp;them and then coverting into JavaScript.
    <br><br>So <a HREF="/forums/55426/ShowPost.aspx">this was useful</a> to somebody!<br>
  • dhromed 2006-04-24 16:11
    I feel so sullied by this vile, slimy skidmark of pustulent code, I don't want to be a webdev anymore.<br><br>Yet, it has not fully burnt out my eyes.<br><br>I will finish that task myself, using a red-hot crowbar.<br><br>Liberation!<br><br><br>*gnaws off finger tips*
  • codeman 2006-04-24 16:11
    <P>A long time ago, during the Netscape/IE browser wars, with the release-of-the-hour updates, I was responsible for making sure our product worked on both browsers. Of course, every time you updated with one, the other would stop working due to all the junk they both put in the registry, although IE was by far the more virulent offender. We took to calling it "( I ) n ( E ) pt".</P>Interestingly, I got tired of constantly doing registry dives on my home PC to clean up the mess, and just surrendered to the monopolies-work theory, and removed all things Netscape (even though it was clearly a superior browser - at least at the time, don't know about now). Once I did, all the problems (at least between the two browsers killing each other) disappeared; I've resigned myself to using InEpt, not because it's better, but because it caused me less pain.
    <P>Can anyone using FireFox relate as to whether this sort of battle to keep control of your PC still occurs? </P>
  • ParkinT 2006-04-24 16:11
    <P>
    R.Flowers:
    Anonymous:
    I betcha the PHP script was reading static HTML templates, parsing&nbsp;them and then coverting into JavaScript.
    <BR><BR>So <A href="/forums/55426/ShowPost.aspx">this was useful</A> to somebody!<BR>
    </P>
    <P>On a whole different tangent:</P>
    <P>Did you see the LASTEST RELEASE of this amazing product?</P>
    <DIV class=date style="PADDING-LEFT: 25px; PADDING-TOP: 10px"><FONT face=Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular size=2>April 9, 2005</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV style="PADDING-RIGHT: 20px; PADDING-LEFT: 25px; PADDING-TOP: 5px"><FONT face=Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular size=2>An updated version of HTML To PHP Converter version has been released. This release includes minor bug fixes.</FONT>
    <P></P></DIV>
    <P><FONT face=Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular size=2><IMG src="http://www.visorsoft.com/images/line.jpg"></FONT> </P>
    <DIV class=date style="PADDING-LEFT: 25px; PADDING-TOP: 10px"><FONT face=Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular size=2>March 5, 2004</FONT></DIV>
    <DIV style="PADDING-RIGHT: 20px; PADDING-LEFT: 25px; PADDING-TOP: 5px"><FONT face=Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular size=2>HTML To PHP Converter version 4.2 has been released. This release includes a fix for a code formatting bug.</FONT> </DIV>
    <DIV style="PADDING-RIGHT: 20px; PADDING-LEFT: 25px; PADDING-TOP: 5px">I wonder what "minor bugs" appeared in this product?&nbsp; Maybe a PHP 'print' command was misspelled?</DIV>
    <DIV style="PADDING-RIGHT: 20px; PADDING-LEFT: 25px; PADDING-TOP: 5px">Or the registration process did not deduct enough money from your PayPal account!</DIV>
    <DIV style="PADDING-RIGHT: 20px; PADDING-LEFT: 25px; PADDING-TOP: 5px">&nbsp;</DIV>
  • ithika 2006-04-24 16:13
    This reminds me of a nice little pub I know...<br><br>Welcome, Ladies and Gentlemen, to The Balfour Arms. (In case that link doesn't work, the URL is &lt;http://www.thebalfourarms.co.uk/&gt;.)<br><br><br>Warning... if you have javascript turned off, you won't see anything.<br>
  • snow 2006-04-24 16:13
    Alex Papadimoulis:

    <P>When <BSTEPHAN b Jennewein<>was asked to make a client's site work with FireFox, he didn't think it'd be a big deal.
    <P>

    <P>My gosh.&nbsp; Can you imagine the WTF-ness and Who's-On-First-ness of a guy named 'When'?&nbsp; </P>
    <P><EM>[Note From Alex: I Fixed this typo]<SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"></P></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></EM>
  • codeman 2006-04-24 16:16
    Anonymous:
    Alex Papadimoulis:

    <P>When <BSTEPHAN Jennewein< b>was asked to make a client's site work with FireFox, he didn't think it'd be a big deal.
    <P>

    <P>My gosh.&nbsp; Can you imagine the WTF-ness and Who's-On-First-ness of a guy named 'When'?&nbsp; <SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"></P></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>
    OMG-ROTFL
    <P>One of my friends' kids is named Wendy, and they call her Wen for short. It's kind of Who's_On_First-like when they introduce her to a new child,&nbsp;and&nbsp;her little friends think it's "when"...[:)]</P>
  • Noam Samuel 2006-04-24 16:22
    <br><span id="_ctl0_PostForm_Reply">
    Don't generate static pages dynamically.<br>
    <br><br>Actually, it can be useful to do that on the server side as to add consistent headers, footers, etc. There is, however, not reason to use Javascript to do that.<br></span>
  • codeman 2006-04-24 16:22
    codeman:
    Anonymous:
    Alex Papadimoulis:

    <P>When <BSTEPHAN Jennewein< b>was asked to make a client's site work with FireFox, he didn't think it'd be a big deal.
    <P>

    <P>My gosh.&nbsp; Can you imagine the WTF-ness and Who's-On-First-ness of a guy named 'When'?&nbsp; <SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"></P></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>
    OMG-ROTFL
    <P>One of my friends' kids is named Wendy, and they call her Wen for short. It's kind of Who's_On_First-like when they introduce her to a new child,&nbsp;and&nbsp;her little friends think it's "when"...[:)]</P>
    <P>
    </P>Sorry, lost the rest of it...
    <P>Typical conversation:
    <P>Father: Pick up your toys<BR>Wendy: What?<BR>Friend: Who?<BR>Father: Wen, pick up your toys!<BR>Wendy: When?<BR>Fiend: When what?<BR>Father: Now!<BR>Wendy: Now what?<BR>Friend: Who?<BR>... </P>
  • Joe Attardi 2006-04-24 16:25
    Not to be nitpicky, but this drives me crazy.<br>It's Firefox, with a lowercase 'f'. Not FireFox.<br><br>It must bug the Mozilla folks, too, because they have a FAQ entry about it:<br><br><dl><dt style="font-weight: bold;"><a name="spell-abbreviate">How do I spell Firefox? How do I abbreviate it?</a></dt><dt>Firefox is spelled F-i-r-e-f-o-x - only the first letter capitalized
    (i.e. not FireFox, not Foxfire, FoxFire or whatever else a number of
    folk seem to think it to be called.) The preferred abbreviation is
    "Fx" or "fx".</dt><dd>
    <br></dd></dl><br>
  • APAQ11 2006-04-24 16:32
    <P>
    Anonymous:
    I believe this is a case for the If Browser=Firefox then ErrorBox.show("Get a Real Browser: IE") that showed up on this site a few weeks ago.
    </P>
    <P>Sorry I left out the /Sarcasm tags for the people who take things too literally [:P] .</P>
  • GoatCheez 2006-04-24 16:42
    Gabashadibidee!!!!!!!! Flabipity floop!!!! FAGODUKOO!!!!!! Bashnipdiphickderpa DONT!!!!! WHASHIBI DOOBA DAMN!!!! Backtalacktafago!!!!!! Depdaderpadoo! Paplshuntacode!!!! Whadafaguclienthinkin!!!! dherpa.... dherpa.... dherpa.... dahhh..... <br><br>calm....<br>calm...<br>calm...<br>*sigh*<br><br>OK, well, needless to say, as everyone else has pointed out, this was a really really really bad idea. Stuff like that pisses me off to the point of speaking gibberish. The client was smart enought to say I know when enough is enough, but sadly wasn't smart enough to see this coming. To be honest though, I'm not surprised, just really really upset.<span id="_ctl0_PostForm_Reply"><br></span>
  • makomk 2006-04-24 16:45
    ithika:
    This reminds me of a nice little pub I know...<br><br>Welcome, Ladies and Gentlemen, to The Balfour Arms. (In case that link doesn't work, the URL is <http://www.thebalfourarms.co.uk/>.)<br><br><br>Warning... if you have javascript turned off, you won't see anything.<br>


    I get a nice JavaScript alert box saying "This version is compatible with Internet Explorer or Netscape Communicatior only", followed by a blank page. (I'm using Konqueror.) Funnily enough, once I tricked it into believing I was using Firefox it all seemed to display fine...
  • Rowland 2006-04-24 16:45
    And you didn't upsell to do search engine optimisation as well by making all that PHP static HTML?<br>
  • ParkinT 2006-04-24 16:48
    codeman:
    codeman:
    Anonymous:
    Alex Papadimoulis:

    <P>When <BSTEPHAN b Jennewein<>was asked to make a client's site work with FireFox, he didn't think it'd be a big deal.
    <P>

    <P>My gosh.&nbsp; Can you imagine the WTF-ness and Who's-On-First-ness of a guy named 'When'?&nbsp; <SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"><SPAN style="COLOR: #0000ff"></P></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN>
    OMG-ROTFL
    <P>One of my friends' kids is named Wendy, and they call her Wen for short. It's kind of Who's_On_First-like when they introduce her to a new child,&nbsp;and&nbsp;her little friends think it's "when"...[:)]</P>
    <P>
    </P>Sorry, lost the rest of it...
    <P>Typical conversation:
    <P>Father: Pick up your toys<BR>Wendy: What?<BR>Friend: Who?<BR>Father: Wen, pick up your toys!<BR>Wendy: When?<BR>Fiend: When what?<BR>Father: Now!<BR>Wendy: Now what?<BR>Friend: Who?<BR>... </P>
    <P>
    </P>
    <P>Codeman,</P>
    <P>Don't quit your day job. &lt;grin&gt;</P>
    <P>&nbsp;</P>
    <P><FONT size=1>Funny though.&nbsp; Good job.</FONT></P>
  • An apprentice 2006-04-24 16:51
    <p>The designer <i>must</i> have had some clue about Web authoring, as he clearly understood complex Javascript, PHP etc. I can't comprehend how anyone with even <i>epsilon</i> clue could engineer a pile of crap like this.</p><p>Oh well, seems to be a work of some 'how do I hide my HTML source' idiot. For once, he definitely succeeded; as it's impossible to decrypt the source code, even with full access to the server ;-)</p>
  • R.Flowers 2006-04-24 16:59
    ithika:
    This reminds me of a nice little pub I know...<br><br>Welcome, Ladies and Gentlemen, to The Balfour Arms. (In case that link doesn't work, the URL is <http:>.)<br>
    <br><br>I prefer to stay at the Kings Arms.<br><br>(Where's the King's Arms? Around the queen's ass! </http:><span style="text-decoration: underline;">[;)]</span>
  • SpComb 2006-04-24 17:21
    codeman:
    <p>Can anyone using FireFox relate as to whether this sort of battle to keep control of your PC still occurs? </p>


    <br><br>IE? You mean that thing that one uses Start Menu -&gt; Run -&gt; iexplore.exe (because there is no other way to launch it anymore) to run once in a while to see what your pages look like in IE?<br><br>Well, the answer is no :P<br>---<br>As for the wtf, this is probably some ingenious way to hide the html source code... where in* is a negation.
  • GoatCheez 2006-04-24 17:22
    Anonymous:
    <p>The designer <i>must</i> have had some clue about Web authoring, as he clearly understood complex Javascript, PHP etc. I can't comprehend how anyone with even <i>epsilon</i> clue could engineer a pile of crap like this.</p><p>Oh well, seems to be a work of some 'how do I hide my HTML source' idiot. For once, he definitely succeeded; as it's impossible to decrypt the source code, even with full access to the server ;-)</p>
    <br><br>Also seems like the "What's the hardest, most complex way I can accomplish this super-simple task?" kind of person.<br>
  • S&#248;ren Rindal 2006-04-24 17:43
    Couldn't he just make a brand new site based on the generated html?<br>
  • smbell 2006-04-24 17:44
    ParkinT:
    <p>
    R.Flowers:
    Anonymous:
    I betcha the PHP script was reading static HTML templates, parsing&nbsp;them and then coverting into JavaScript.
    <br><br>So <a href="/forums/55426/ShowPost.aspx">this was useful</a> to somebody!<br>
    </p>
    <p>On a whole different tangent:</p>
    <p>Did you see the LASTEST RELEASE of this amazing product?</p>
    <div class="date" style="padding-left: 25px; padding-top: 10px;"><font face="Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular" size="2">April 9, 2005</font></div>
    <div style="padding-right: 20px; padding-left: 25px; padding-top: 5px;"><font face="Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular" size="2">An updated version of HTML To PHP Converter version has been released. This release includes minor bug fixes.</font>
    <p></p></div>
    <p><font face="Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular" size="2"><img src="http://www.visorsoft.com/images/line.jpg"></font> </p>
    <div class="date" style="padding-left: 25px; padding-top: 10px;"><font face="Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular" size="2">March 5, 2004</font></div>
    <div style="padding-right: 20px; padding-left: 25px; padding-top: 5px;"><font face="Tahoma,Verdana,Arial,Helvetica,Geneva,Swiss,SunSans-Regular" size="2">HTML To PHP Converter version 4.2 has been released. This release includes a fix for a code formatting bug.</font> </div>
    <div style="padding-right: 20px; padding-left: 25px; padding-top: 5px;">I wonder what "minor bugs" appeared in this product?&nbsp; Maybe a PHP 'print' command was misspelled?</div>
    <div style="padding-right: 20px; padding-left: 25px; padding-top: 5px;">Or the registration process did not deduct enough money from your PayPal account!</div>
    <div style="padding-right: 20px; padding-left: 25px; padding-top: 5px;">&nbsp;</div>
    <br><br>From the same site under 'System Utilities':<br>
    <br>
    "A new system utility is planned for release in the next few months. It
    will be announced and posted here when development has been completed."<br>
    <br>
    *shudder*<br>
  • Kiss me, I'm Polish 2006-04-24 17:48
    Abbreviating Firefox downto Fx is actually all wrong, the Fx is already taken multiple times and it won't do any good to confuse a browser with fireworks or special effects. The natural and intuitious "Ff" should be the official way - yet as in every project there comes a smartass evangelising the One Righteous Way He Came Up With. And then there's multiple acolytes spreading his speech, because he's from The Project so he must be right.And then there's simple nerds happy to know the One Righteous Way and share it with other people that never read their posts. And then there's everybody else, but even if there's someone to do it how it should be done, he's not From The Project, so nobody cares.<br>Real people don't say "fx" for Firefox.<br>
  • Brad 2006-04-24 17:48
    Never had a problem; I don't think Firefox uses the registry at all.<br>
  • Tired_of_stupid_jokes 2006-04-24 17:49
    shaggz:
    <p>
    Alex Papadimoulis:
    </p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.</font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">
    </font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?</font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <br><br>WTF is the deal with stupid ass comments about these forums? They are not that bad. You retards that constantly make comments about it must have an extremely large tree branch stuck up your ass. Alex has already said he is replacing them with the new version of CS as soon as he can... Deal with it and stop with the tired jokes for the sakes of all of our sanity.<br>
  • smbell 2006-04-24 17:52
    Anonymous:
    shaggz:
    <p>
    Alex Papadimoulis:
    </p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.</font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">
    </font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?</font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <br><br>WTF is the deal with stupid ass comments about these forums? They are not that bad. You retards that constantly make comments about it must have an extremely large tree branch stuck up your ass. Alex has already said he is replacing them with the new version of CS as soon as he can... Deal with it and stop with the tired jokes for the sakes of all of our sanity.<br>
    <br><br>Oh come on.&nbsp; Nothing against Alex, but you have to admit that this forum software really sucks and appreciate the irony of the site that uses it.<br><br>I mean I can't even get the stupid pizza to work:<br><br><br>
  • Savior 2006-04-24 17:53
    Anonymous:
    shaggz:

    <P>
    Alex Papadimoulis:
    </P>
    <P><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><FONT color=#000000>After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></P>
    <P><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><FONT color=#000000>
    </FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></P>
    <P><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><FONT color=#000000>So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></P>
    <P>
    <BR><BR>WTF is the deal with stupid ass comments about these forums? They are not that bad. You retards that constantly make comments about it must have an extremely large tree branch stuck up your ass. Alex has already said he is replacing them with the new version of CS as soon as he can... Deal with it and stop with the tired jokes for the sakes of all of our sanity.<BR>
    </P>
    <P>Dude, don't be afraid of seeking help.</P>
  • Tired_of_stupid_jokes 2006-04-24 18:09
    smbell:
    Anonymous:
    shaggz:
    <p>
    Alex Papadimoulis:
    </p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.</font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">
    </font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?</font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <br><br>WTF is the deal with stupid ass comments about these forums? They are not that bad. You retards that constantly make comments about it must have an extremely large tree branch stuck up your ass. Alex has already said he is replacing them with the new version of CS as soon as he can... Deal with it and stop with the tired jokes for the sakes of all of our sanity.<br>
    <br><br>Oh come on.  Nothing against Alex, but you have to admit that this forum software really sucks and appreciate the irony of the site that uses it.<br><br>I mean I can't even get the stupid pizza to work:<br><br><br>
    <br><br>Sure, It was fine the first 100 comments or so, and I definitely appreciate the irony, All I'm saying is its getting old. It is commented about multiple times every single day, as if everyone wasn't already aware that there are some bugs...<br>
  • Chaz 2006-04-24 18:11
    Sigh.... Now I've moved to New Zealand I miss places like this. I could just fancy a prawn cocktaiil followed by Scampi and chips.
  • masklinn 2006-04-24 18:22
    codeman:
    <p>Can anyone using FireFox relate as to whether this sort of battle to keep control of your PC still occurs? </p>

    <p>I'm pretty sure Firefox barely does a thing to your registry hive (like register itself as the default browser at best), everything is handled by text files mostly in your Fx profile.</p>
    <p>Which is why Portable Firefox works (try it, if you want to be sure to keep your computer clean).</p>
    <p>Additionnaly, the only things Ad-Aware and Spybot find to whine about on my box are a few tracking cookies I get when I happen to have to use MSIE for some random website.</p>
  • masklinn 2006-04-24 18:23
    Anonymous:
    codeman:
    <p>Can anyone using FireFox relate as to whether this sort of battle to keep control of your PC still occurs? </p>


    <br><br>IE? You mean that thing that one uses Start Menu -&gt; Run -&gt; iexplore.exe (because there is no other way to launch it anymore) to run once in a while to see what your pages look like in IE?<br><br>Well, the answer is no :P<br>---<br>As for the wtf, this is probably some ingenious way to hide the html source code... where in* is a negation.

    <p>Install the "IE Tab" extension, allows you to switch back and forth between Gecko and MSHTML from whithin Firefox, no need to ever launch MSIE anymore ;)</p>
  • mthamil 2006-04-24 18:24
    Anonymous:
    smbell:
    Anonymous:
    shaggz:
    <p>
    Alex Papadimoulis:
    </p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.</font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">
    </font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?</font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <br><br>WTF is the deal with stupid ass comments about these forums? They are not that bad. You retards that constantly make comments about it must have an extremely large tree branch stuck up your ass. Alex has already said he is replacing them with the new version of CS as soon as he can... Deal with it and stop with the tired jokes for the sakes of all of our sanity.<br>
    <br><br>Oh come on.&nbsp; Nothing against Alex, but you have to admit that this forum software really sucks and appreciate the irony of the site that uses it.<br><br>I mean I can't even get the stupid pizza to work:<br><br><br>
    <br><br>Sure, It was fine the first 100 comments or so, and I definitely appreciate the irony, All I'm saying is its getting old. It is commented about multiple times every single day, as if everyone wasn't already aware that there are some bugs...<br>
    <br><br>"Some bugs" doesn't quite cover it.&nbsp; Using POST data just for browsing forum threads is a huge design flaw.<br>
  • kupppa 2006-04-24 18:35
    This really plain bull shit! I DONT think anyone would have written such php/ javascript code. If he / she is<br>really capable of writing this stuff, it surely includes capability to NOT write this stuff. <br>
  • smbell 2006-04-24 18:38
    mthamil:
    Anonymous:
    smbell:
    Anonymous:
    shaggz:
    <p>
    Alex Papadimoulis:
    </p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.</font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">
    </font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?</font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <br><br>WTF is the deal with stupid ass comments about these forums? They are not that bad. You retards that constantly make comments about it must have an extremely large tree branch stuck up your ass. Alex has already said he is replacing them with the new version of CS as soon as he can... Deal with it and stop with the tired jokes for the sakes of all of our sanity.<br>
    <br><br>Oh come on.&nbsp; Nothing against Alex, but you have to admit that this forum software really sucks and appreciate the irony of the site that uses it.<br><br>I mean I can't even get the stupid pizza to work:<br><br><br>
    <br><br>Sure, It was fine the first 100 comments or so, and I definitely appreciate the irony, All I'm saying is its getting old. It is commented about multiple times every single day, as if everyone wasn't already aware that there are some bugs...<br>
    <br><br>"Some bugs" doesn't quite cover it.&nbsp; Using POST data just for browsing forum threads is a huge design flaw.<br>
    <br><br>Now I just like the visual effect of all the boxes inside of boxes.&nbsp; :)<br><br>Stupid pizza still doesn't work!<br><br><a href="">pi</a><br>
  • Tired_of_stupid_jokes 2006-04-24 18:44
    smbell:
    mthamil:
    Anonymous:
    smbell:
    Anonymous:
    shaggz:
    <p>
    Alex Papadimoulis:
    </p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.</font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">
    </font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?</font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <br><br>WTF is the deal with stupid ass comments about these forums? They are not that bad. You retards that constantly make comments about it must have an extremely large tree branch stuck up your ass. Alex has already said he is replacing them with the new version of CS as soon as he can... Deal with it and stop with the tired jokes for the sakes of all of our sanity.<br>
    <br><br>Oh come on.  Nothing against Alex, but you have to admit that this forum software really sucks and appreciate the irony of the site that uses it.<br><br>I mean I can't even get the stupid pizza to work:<br><br><br>
    <br><br>Sure, It was fine the first 100 comments or so, and I definitely appreciate the irony, All I'm saying is its getting old. It is commented about multiple times every single day, as if everyone wasn't already aware that there are some bugs...<br>
    <br><br>"Some bugs" doesn't quite cover it.  Using POST data just for browsing forum threads is a huge design flaw.<br>
    <br><br>Now I just like the visual effect of all the boxes inside of boxes.  :)<br><br>Stupid pizza still doesn't work!<br><br><a href="">pi</a><br>
    <br><br>haha, see, that was a funny comment. Lets stick with those instead of stupid forum comments<br>
  • mrmalone 2006-04-24 18:49
    Anonymous:
    codeman:
    I think it's well on its way to becoming an
    Enterprise-class system. Just add in a few constants to redefine Truth,
    put all the scripts in vector-vectors and <i>definitely</i> add a check for FileNotFound, and voila!
    <br>
    <br>
    Needs more XML<br>
    <br><br>They could've used <a href="http://www.meta-language.net">MetaL</a>, an XML-based meta-programming language that supports PHP. Then they could've had an XML file that generates the PHP that generates the Javascript that generates the HTML that generates the page, which would obviously be superior since more abstraction layers=better code.
  • WWWWolf 2006-04-24 18:56
    Anonymous:
    Anonymous:
    I believe this is a case for the If Browser=Firefox then ErrorBox.show("Get a Real Browser: IE") that showed up on this site a few weeks ago.
    <br><br>IE!!!??? <br><br>IE is a virus<br>
    <br><br>Not to even mention probably the only browser in existence to interpret vbscript, which makes it kind of pointless to write browser detection code in it to begin with, but since I missed the original posting, I assume that was already discussed there... =)<br><br>
  • smbell 2006-04-24 18:56
    Anonymous:
    smbell:
    mthamil:
    Anonymous:
    smbell:
    Anonymous:
    shaggz:
    <p>
    Alex Papadimoulis:
    </p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.</font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">
    </font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?</font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <br><br>WTF is the deal with stupid ass comments about these forums? They are not that bad. You retards that constantly make comments about it must have an extremely large tree branch stuck up your ass. Alex has already said he is replacing them with the new version of CS as soon as he can... Deal with it and stop with the tired jokes for the sakes of all of our sanity.<br>
    <br><br>Oh come on.&nbsp; Nothing against Alex, but you have to admit that this forum software really sucks and appreciate the irony of the site that uses it.<br><br>I mean I can't even get the stupid pizza to work:<br><br><br>
    <br><br>Sure, It was fine the first 100 comments or so, and I definitely appreciate the irony, All I'm saying is its getting old. It is commented about multiple times every single day, as if everyone wasn't already aware that there are some bugs...<br>
    <br><br>"Some bugs" doesn't quite cover it.&nbsp; Using POST data just for browsing forum threads is a huge design flaw.<br>
    <br><br>Now I just like the visual effect of all the boxes inside of boxes.&nbsp; :)<br><br>Stupid pizza still doesn't work!<br><br><a href="">pi</a><br>
    <br><br>haha, see, that was a funny comment. Lets stick with those instead of stupid forum comments<br>
    <br><br>Apperantly you missed my little jab at the forum software regarding the stupid pizza icon.&nbsp; ;)<br><br>I wonder just how thin that middle box can get?<br><br>Stupid pizza still doesn't work.<br><br><br>
  • AJR 2006-04-24 19:33
    smbell:
    Anonymous:
    smbell:
    mthamil:
    Anonymous:
    smbell:
    Anonymous:
    shaggz:
    <p>
    Alex Papadimoulis:
    </p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.</font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">
    </font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?</font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <br><br>WTF is the deal with stupid ass comments about these forums? They are not that bad. You retards that constantly make comments about it must have an extremely large tree branch stuck up your ass. Alex has already said he is replacing them with the new version of CS as soon as he can... Deal with it and stop with the tired jokes for the sakes of all of our sanity.<br>
    <br><br>Oh come on. Nothing against Alex, but you have to admit that this forum software really sucks and appreciate the irony of the site that uses it.<br><br>I mean I can't even get the stupid pizza to work:<br><br><br>
    <br><br>Sure, It was fine the first 100 comments or so, and I definitely appreciate the irony, All I'm saying is its getting old. It is commented about multiple times every single day, as if everyone wasn't already aware that there are some bugs...<br>
    <br><br>"Some bugs" doesn't quite cover it. Using POST data just for browsing forum threads is a huge design flaw.<br>
    <br><br>Now I just like the visual effect of all the boxes inside of boxes. :)<br><br>Stupid pizza still doesn't work!<br><br><a href="">pi</a><br>
    <br><br>haha, see, that was a funny comment. Lets stick with those instead of stupid forum comments<br>
    <br><br>Apperantly you missed my little jab at the forum software regarding the stupid pizza icon. ;)<br><br>I wonder just how thin that middle box can get?<br><br>Stupid pizza still doesn't work.<br><br><br>

    You should phone and complain, you'll get the next pizza free :-)
    (We've hit the limit on how thin the middle box gets, the page is just getting wider now)
  • AJR 2006-04-24 19:35
    smbell:
    Anonymous:
    smbell:
    mthamil:
    Anonymous:
    smbell:
    Anonymous:
    shaggz:
    <p>
    Alex Papadimoulis:
    </p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.</font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">
    </font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?</font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <br><br>WTF is the deal with stupid ass comments about these forums? They are not that bad. You retards that constantly make comments about it must have an extremely large tree branch stuck up your ass. Alex has already said he is replacing them with the new version of CS as soon as he can... Deal with it and stop with the tired jokes for the sakes of all of our sanity.<br>
    <br><br>Oh come on. Nothing against Alex, but you have to admit that this forum software really sucks and appreciate the irony of the site that uses it.<br><br>I mean I can't even get the stupid pizza to work:<br><br><br>
    <br><br>Sure, It was fine the first 100 comments or so, and I definitely appreciate the irony, All I'm saying is its getting old. It is commented about multiple times every single day, as if everyone wasn't already aware that there are some bugs...<br>
    <br><br>"Some bugs" doesn't quite cover it. Using POST data just for browsing forum threads is a huge design flaw.<br>
    <br><br>Now I just like the visual effect of all the boxes inside of boxes. :)<br><br>Stupid pizza still doesn't work!<br><br><a href="">pi</a><br>
    <br><br>haha, see, that was a funny comment. Lets stick with those instead of stupid forum comments<br>
    <br><br>Apperantly you missed my little jab at the forum software regarding the stupid pizza icon. ;)<br><br>I wonder just how thin that middle box can get?<br><br>Stupid pizza still doesn't work.<br><br><br>

    Re my last post, either that or it just keels over and dies...
  • foxyshadis 2006-04-24 20:01
    AJR:
    Re my last post, either that or it just keels over and dies...
    <br>That was actually the perfect punch line after a page of broken forum chat. I &lt;3 you. =D<br>
  • AJR 2006-04-24 20:23
    smbell:
    Anonymous:
    smbell:
    mthamil:
    Anonymous:
    smbell:
    Anonymous:
    shaggz:

    <P>
    Alex Papadimoulis:
    </P>
    <P><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><FONT color=#000000>After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></P>
    <P><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><FONT color=#000000>
    </FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></P>
    <P><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><SPAN style="COLOR: rgb(0,0,255)"><FONT color=#000000>So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?</FONT></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></SPAN></P>
    <BR><BR>WTF is the deal with stupid ass comments about these forums? They are not that bad. You retards that constantly make comments about it must have an extremely large tree branch stuck up your ass. Alex has already said he is replacing them with the new version of CS as soon as he can... Deal with it and stop with the tired jokes for the sakes of all of our sanity.<BR>
    <BR><BR>Oh come on. Nothing against Alex, but you have to admit that this forum software really sucks and appreciate the irony of the site that uses it.<BR><BR>I mean I can't even get the stupid pizza to work:<BR><BR><BR>
    <BR><BR>Sure, It was fine the first 100 comments or so, and I definitely appreciate the irony, All I'm saying is its getting old. It is commented about multiple times every single day, as if everyone wasn't already aware that there are some bugs...<BR>
    <BR><BR>"Some bugs" doesn't quite cover it. Using POST data just for browsing forum threads is a huge design flaw.<BR>
    <BR><BR>Now I just like the visual effect of all the boxes inside of boxes. :)<BR><BR>Stupid pizza still doesn't work!<BR><BR><A href="">pi</A><BR>
    <BR><BR>haha, see, that was a funny comment. Lets stick with those instead of stupid forum comments<BR>
    <BR><BR>Apperantly you missed my little jab at the forum software regarding the stupid pizza icon. ;)<BR><BR>I wonder just how thin that middle box can get?<BR><BR>Stupid pizza still doesn't work.<BR><BR><BR>
    You should phone and complain, you'll get the next pizza free :-) (We've hit the limit on how thin the middle box gets, the page is just getting wider now)
  • Richard C Haven 2006-04-24 20:31
    Anonymous:
    <p>..... "Enterprise HTML"?</p>
    <br><br>Enterprisey HTML ?<br>
  • felix 2006-04-25 00:46
    Anonymous:
    <p>Why would *anyone*, no matter how inexperienced or inept, ever possibly do something like this??</p>
    <br>
    <br>
    &lt;dripping-venom&gt;Because their website has to be cool. It has to
    blink, and it has to jump. No link whitout javascript, no image whitout
    a rollover effect. No way for the visitor to select any text - all of
    it must be in Flash insertions and/or pop-up boxes. And most
    importantly, their pages must look <span style="font-style: italic;">exactly</span> the same on all computers, with any browser&nbsp; (though they&nbsp; only really work in IE).&lt;/dripping-venom&gt;<br>
    <br>
    Sounds familiar?<br>
  • Anonymous 2006-04-25 02:07
    "Viola"? Is that a <a href="http://www.xcf.berkeley.edu/~wei/viola/violaHome.html">clever reference</a>?
  • Schol-R-LEA 2006-04-25 02:38
    There are two simple rules for coding web docs:<br><br>1) if it doesn't work in Amaya, it isn't a compliant web page.<br><br>2) if it rejects a web page that Amaya accepts, it isn't a web browser.<br><br>Do You Beleive That?&amp;trade;<br>
  • felix 2006-04-25 02:46
    Anonymous:
    There are two simple rules for coding web docs:<br><br>1) if it doesn't work in Amaya, it isn't a compliant web page.<br><br>2) if it rejects a web page that Amaya accepts, it isn't a web browser.<br><br>Do You Beleive That?™<br>
    <br>
    <br>
    No. Your point? :)<br>
  • cmot 2006-04-25 03:48
    ithika:
    This reminds me of a nice little pub I know...<br><br>Welcome, Ladies and Gentlemen, to The Balfour Arms. (In case that link doesn't work, the URL is <http://www.thebalfourarms.co.uk/>.)<br><br><br>Warning... if you have javascript turned off, you won't see anything.<br>


    <p>Ugh. IE and Communicator only. But works the UserAgent in Konqueror - funny, because IME often the javascript check is not fooled by faking the UserAgent. Or Konqueror recently changed their ua faking code to fake better.</p>

    <p>Well, I won't say anything about the layout of that page...</p>
  • Merlin2600 2006-04-25 03:56
    <div style="margin-left: 40px;"><span id="_ctl0_PostForm_Reply">some JavaScript hacking, and <i>viola!</i></span><br><span id="_ctl0_PostForm_Reply"></span></div><span id="_ctl0_PostForm_Reply"><i><br></i>Alex, it's spelled "voilà". The way you spelled it means "raped" in French. And I don't think that was your meaning. </span><a href="">;)</a><br><br>Regarding the ugly javascript stuff, I've seen that a number of times but only one did it properly. I was quite reluctant to static sites in javascript but the presentation was well isolated from the content and the engine. So that changing the look of the site was as easy as editing html and adding pages was just about creating a file with your content only.<br>
  • t-bone 2006-04-25 04:52
    ithika:
    This reminds me of a nice little pub I know...<br><br>Welcome, Ladies and Gentlemen, to The Balfour Arms. (In case that link doesn't work, the URL is <http:>.)<br><br><br>Warning... if you have javascript turned off, you won't see anything.<br>
    <br><br>Welcome to Web Creator Pro:<br>http://www.lmsoft.com/siteb/english/webcreatorpropag.html<br></http:>
  • somebody 2006-04-25 05:17
    RenMan:
    I agree with <span id="PostFlatView"><b><span class="inlineLink" onclick="window.open('/user/Profile.aspx?UserID=1639')">md2perpe.</span></b><span class="inlineLink" onclick="window.open('/user/Profile.aspx?UserID=1639')"> Sure, it's a little overengineered, but if the dynamic rendering code is written well and concisely, it should not be too difficult to add in some browser detection code, and branch the rendering code accordingly. <br><br></span><span class="inlineLink" onclick="window.open('/user/Profile.aspx?UserID=1639')"></span></span>
    <span style="text-decoration: underline;">ooh, I like how you can drag emotions like </span><a href="">:O</a><br><br><br><br><a href=""></a>
  • Silex 2006-04-25 05:18
    Alex Papadimoulis:
    <p> Just a few CSS tweaks and some JavaScript hacking, and <i>viola!</i>, FireFox compatability. At least, that was the theory.</p>
    <br><br>It's voila, not viola.<br>
  • masklinn 2006-04-25 06:23
    Anonymous:
    There are two simple rules for coding web docs:<br><br>1) if it doesn't work in Amaya, it isn't a compliant web page.<br><br>2) if it rejects a web page that Amaya accepts, it isn't a web browser.<br><br>Do You Beleive That?™<br>

    <p>Amaya is a frigging piece of shit, it's even less interresting of a broswer as Netscape 4.7, it barely implements CSS and stuff. The W3C just doesn't have the budget and the people to develop a meaningful Amaya, it's not even useful to test websites in it.</p>
  • makomk 2006-04-25 06:57
    Anonymous:
    Sure, It was fine the first 100 comments or so, and I definitely appreciate the irony, All I'm saying is its getting old. It is commented about multiple times every single day, as if everyone wasn't already aware that there are some bugs...


    Don't worry; we should be switching to CS 2.0 sometime soon, and then everyone can find new bugs to complain about...<br><br>

    (Hmmm, fun - in the comment page, the entire body is one giant form - which, presumably, means that the contents of the search box are submitted with the post. Didn't notice that before...)
  • makomk 2006-04-25 06:59
    AJR:
    smbell:
    Anonymous:
    smbell:
    mthamil:
    Anonymous:
    smbell:
    Anonymous:
    shaggz:
    <p>
    Alex Papadimoulis:
    </p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">After explaining all that would need to be changed to work with FireFox, the client just descided to just mail those users a brochure.</font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">
    </font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <p><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><span style="color: rgb(0, 0, 255);"><font color="#000000">So, you're going to be mailing all the forum users a brochure?</font></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></span></p>
    <br><br>WTF is the deal with stupid ass comments about these forums? They are not that bad. You retards that constantly make comments about it must have an extremely large tree branch stuck up your ass. Alex has already said he is replacing them with the new version of CS as soon as he can... Deal with it and stop with the tired jokes for the sakes of all of our sanity.<br>
    <br><br>Oh come on. Nothing against Alex, but you have to admit that this forum software really sucks and appreciate the irony of the site that uses it.<br><br>I mean I can't even get the stupid pizza to work:<br><br><br>
    <br><br>Sure, It was fine the first 100 comments or so, and I definitely appreciate the irony, All I'm saying is its getting old. It is commented about multiple times every single day, as if everyone wasn't already aware that there are some bugs...<br>
    <br><br>"Some bugs" doesn't quite cover it. Using POST data just for browsing forum threads is a huge design flaw.<br>
    <br><br>Now I just like the visual effect of all the boxes inside of boxes. :)<br><br>Stupid pizza still doesn't work!<br><br><a href="">pi</a><br>
    <br><br>haha, see, that was a funny comment. Lets stick with those instead of stupid forum comments<br>
    <br><br>Apperantly you missed my little jab at the forum software regarding the stupid pizza icon. ;)<br><br>I wonder just how thin that middle box can get?<br><br>Stupid pizza still doesn't work.<br><br><br>

    Re my last post, either that or it just keels over and dies...


    It always does that if you're posting with certain browsers; they've at least partially fixed it in CS 2.0, thankfully.
  • jannes 2006-04-25 07:23
    <P>
    RenMan:
    I agree with <SPAN id=PostFlatView><B><SPAN class=inlineLink onclick="window.open('/user/Profile.aspx?UserID=1639')">md2perpe.</SPAN></B><SPAN class=inlineLink onclick="window.open('/user/Profile.aspx?UserID=1639')"> Sure, it's a little overengineered, but if the dynamic rendering code is written well and concisely, it should not be too difficult to add in some browser detection code, and branch the rendering code accordingly. <BR><BR></SPAN><SPAN class=inlineLink onclick="window.open('/user/Profile.aspx?UserID=1639')"></SPAN></SPAN>
    </P>
    <P>I agree... It will in fact be 'overengineered' when it is a java app. dynamically generating the php files.[8o|]</P>
    <P>&nbsp;</P>
  • ksg 2006-04-25 08:16
    <P>
    R.Flowers:
    Fifteen to twenty pages? Just pull the pages up in a browser, save the source as HTML files (making exceptions for the DHMTL menu, etc.), make your changes, and done. Then burn those PHP files!<BR>
    </P>
    <P>&nbsp;</P>
    <P>Exactly.</P>
    <P>Stephen Jennewein, you're an idiot, and the wtf is back at you.&nbsp; It would have been extremely simple to turn the site into a couple of dozen html files.&nbsp; Instead you've left the client with&nbsp;the POS system they started with plus a POS procedure for firefox users.</P>
    <P>&nbsp;- K</P>
  • brazzy 2006-04-25 08:47
    Anonymous:
    <p>
    R.Flowers:
    Fifteen to twenty
    pages? Just pull the pages up in a browser, save the source as HTML
    files (making exceptions for the DHMTL menu, etc.), make your changes,
    and done. Then burn those PHP files!<br>
    </p>
    <p>&nbsp;</p>
    <p>Exactly.</p>
    <p>Stephen Jennewein, you're an idiot, and the wtf is back at
    you.&nbsp; It would have been extremely simple to turn the site into a
    couple of dozen html files.
    <br>
    </p>
    <p>It looks to me like the idiots here are the two of you.<br>
    </p>

    <p>Note that it's not just HTML generated by PHP on the server. It's
    JAVASCRIPT generated by PHP on the server, and interpreted by the
    browser to display a webpage.&nbsp; If you "save the source" then you
    eliminate the PHP part, but are STILL stuck with the JavaScript. Now
    there are two possibilities: the Javascript is standard-compliant and
    only the HTML it generates via document.write() is buggy. Then you
    could run the JavaScript in a standalone interpreter and only have to
    fix the resulting HTML, which is proably a godawful mess. Or the
    JavaScript itself is buggy and uses all kinds of IE-specific stuff.
    Then you have to fix that first, then fix the HTML.<br>
    </p>
  • ammoQ 2006-04-25 08:52
    brazzy:
    <p>Note that it's not just HTML generated by PHP on the server. It's
    JAVASCRIPT generated by PHP on the server, and interpreted by the
    browser to display a webpage.&nbsp; If you "save the source" then you
    eliminate the PHP part, but are STILL stuck with the JavaScript. Now
    there are two possibilities: the Javascript is standard-compliant and
    only the HTML it generates via document.write() is buggy. Then you
    could run the JavaScript in a standalone interpreter and only have to
    fix the resulting HTML, which is proably a godawful mess. Or the
    JavaScript itself is buggy and uses all kinds of IE-specific stuff.
    Then you have to fix that first, then fix the HTML.<br>
    </p>
    <br><br>Unless the HTML layout is very complex, I would just copy the text from the HTML page (not the source) and start the whole thing from scratch.<br>
  • Trent 2006-04-25 09:36
    R.Flowers:
    Fifteen to twenty pages? Just pull the pages up in a browser, save the source as HTML files (making exceptions for the DHMTL menu, etc.), make your changes, and done. Then burn those PHP files!<br>
    <br><br>I don't think this would work.&nbsp; Saving the page as HTML wouldn't show you the HTML that the JavaScript printed...it would just show you the JavaScript function calls.<br>
  • nn 2006-04-25 09:41
    If(Firefox) RedirectToIETabPluginDownload();<br><br><br>Fixed :)<br>
  • Gary 2006-04-25 09:42
    &lt;DailyWTFTag&gt;Help! I can't post without including tons of HTML tags!&lt;/DailyWTFTag&gt;
  • McBain 2006-04-25 10:15
    de goggl
  • BAReFOOt 2006-04-25 10:56
    Simple question!<br><br>He heard that "dynamic" is "the next big thing", and so created the *ultimate* dynamic web api. something so cool you can do everything on it (inner platform effect? nudge, nudge...). and when he was done and maybe even used it for his "site erhem... WEBSERVICE for all and everything" (that gever got finished), he thought it would be the ultimate solution for all and everything, so i must be used for every damn page he does. so of course for this small thing too. easy thing. ;)         <br>
  • Mr Jacs 2006-04-25 12:21
    Anonymous:
    <p>The designer <i>must</i> have had some clue about Web authoring, as he clearly understood complex Javascript, PHP etc. I can't comprehend how anyone with even <i>epsilon</i> clue could engineer a pile of crap like this.</p><p>Oh well, seems to be a work of some 'how do I hide my HTML source' idiot. For once, he definitely succeeded; as it's impossible to decrypt the source code, even with full access to the server ;-)</p>
    <br>You'd be amazed how easy it is to make stuff like this...<br><br>Back when I was a freshman in high school we had to make a trivial webpage that had to include a few things in javascript. Sure enough I took it upon myself to make the entire page generated by javascript. Each page only had the most basic formatting and absolutely no hint to where the javascript was, except for the fact it was a hidden frame. I think I designed the page just to piss off the teacher, but it didn't work. He gave me an A because he couldn't figure out how I got anything to render "without formatting".<br><br>The PHP backend is ingenious.<br>
  • reed 2006-04-25 12:34
    <br><br>I think this WTF is actually the code for thedailywtf.com's forum software.<br><br>Reed<br><br><br>
  • wk2x 2006-04-25 13:03
    codeman:
    <p>A long time ago, during the Netscape/IE
    browser wars, with the release-of-the-hour updates, I was responsible
    for making sure our product worked on both browsers. Of course, every
    time you updated with one, the other would stop working due to all the
    junk they both put in the registry, although IE was by far the more
    virulent offender. We took to calling it "( I ) n ( E ) pt".</p>Interestingly,
    I got tired of constantly doing registry dives on my home PC to clean
    up the mess, and just surrendered to the monopolies-work theory, and
    removed all things Netscape (even though it was clearly a superior
    browser - at least at the time, don't know about now). Once I did, all
    the problems (at least between the two browsers killing each other)
    disappeared; I've resigned myself to using InEpt, not because it's
    better, but because it caused me less pain.
    <p>Can anyone using FireFox relate as to whether this sort of battle to keep control of your PC still occurs? </p>
    <br>
    <br>
    I use both browsers on several machines with no conflicts except one minor one:<br>
    <br>
    IE seems to set itself to the "windows default browser" every time you
    run it, even when it asks you if you want to do that and you respond
    with an emphatic NO.<br>
    <br>
    Of course, I use IE *very* sparingly ... mainly out of principle.<br>
  • ps 2006-04-25 13:07
    http://www.mapleglobal.com
  • ps 2006-04-25 13:10
    ...how could it be else? This was no spam but the forum ate the quote I was referring to.<br><br><span style="font-style: italic;">"</span><span style="font-style: italic;" id="PostFlatView"> I believe this is a case for the If
    Browser=Firefox then ErrorBox.show("Get a Real Browser: IE") that
    showed up on this site a few weeks ago."</span>
  • makomk 2006-04-25 13:19
    reed:
    <br><br>I think this WTF is actually the code for thedailywtf.com's forum software.<br><br>Reed<br><br><br>


    Nah - apparently they have ASP-generated JavaScript, but the page itself isn't generated by it. Maybe in CS 3.0...
  • Alexis de Torquemada 2006-04-25 15:15
    Anonymous:
    Sure, It was fine the first 100 comments or so, and I definitely appreciate the irony, All I'm saying is its getting old. It is commented about multiple times every single day, as if everyone wasn't already aware that there are some bugs...<br>
    <br><br>Sure, the bugs were funny for the first 100 comments or so, and I definitely appreciate the irony. All I'm saying is it's getting old. These bugs annoy users many times every single day, as if everyone wasn't already aware of them.<br><br>
  • BiggBru 2006-04-26 03:24
    Merlin2600:

    <DIV style="MARGIN-LEFT: 40px"><SPAN id=_ctl0_PostForm_Reply>some JavaScript hacking, and <I>viola!</I></SPAN><BR><SPAN id=_ctl0_PostForm_Reply></SPAN></DIV>
    <P><SPAN id=_ctl0_PostForm_Reply><I><BR></I>Alex, it's spelled "voilà". The way you spelled it means "raped" in French. And I don't think that was your meaning. </SPAN><A href="">;)</A><BR><BR><BR>
    </P>
    <P>I think that was exactly what he meant. [6]</P>
    <P>&gt;BiggBru</P>
  • impslayer 2006-04-26 11:56
    Anonymous:
    <p>
    Anonymous:
    I believe this is a
    case for the If Browser=Firefox then ErrorBox.show("Get a Real Browser:
    IE") that showed up on this site a few weeks ago.
    </p>
    <p>Sorry I left out the /Sarcasm tags for the people who take things too literally [:P] .</p>
    <br>
    Seriously, you even referred to that it had been on TDWTF earlier... I
    can't imagine how anyone could NOT have understood you were ironic.<br>
  • impslayer 2006-04-26 12:03
    Silex:
    Alex Papadimoulis:
    <p> Just a few CSS tweaks and some JavaScript hacking, and <i>viola!</i>, FireFox compatability. At least, that was the theory.</p>
    <br><br>It's voila, not viola.<br>
    <br>
    Oh no, you missed the whole point with this WTF... The thought was to
    bring in Viola, the smarter cousin of Paula, to do some of the
    hacking... Right Alex? (I think Mycroft was out of the country at the
    time...)<br>
  • M. Reed 2006-04-26 16:56
    <P>
    Anonymous:
    R.Flowers:
    Fifteen to twenty pages? Just pull the pages up in a browser, save the source as HTML files (making exceptions for the DHMTL menu, etc.), make your changes, and done. Then burn those PHP files!<BR>
    <BR><BR>I don't think this would work.&nbsp; Saving the page as HTML wouldn't show you the HTML that the JavaScript printed...it would just show you the JavaScript function calls.<BR>
    </P>
    <P>Since nobody has posted a straight answer....&nbsp; There are numerious ways to achive the same result, but the most generic method is to add a button and a textarea to each page.&nbsp; In the button's onclick event add the following code:</P>
    <P>document.all["mytextarea"].innerText = document.body.outerHTML;</P>
    <P>Load the page in the browser that works best with the site.&nbsp; Once the page loads, click on the button.&nbsp; The HTML generated (and placed into the textarea) will include all the necessary HTML tags to render the page as it stands at the moment the page loads.&nbsp; You'll still need to extract the JavaScript that supports the truly dynamic portions of the page (the menu system), but the vast bulk of your work is done.</P>
  • .. 2006-04-27 17:41
    Why do these people get paid??? make no sense!!<br>