Server Room Fans and More Server Room Fun

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  • ParkinT 2012-06-13 08:19
    Network cable is more universally useful than Duct Tape!
    * It can carry high-energy signals
    * It can carry the weight of unmounted equipment

    {It can also secure a 6-ft aluminum ladder to the roof rack of your truck}
  • Valerion 2012-06-13 09:03
    My garden fence is currently secured with a nice long length of CAT5. I don't see the problem, my wife isn't so keen though.
  • Studley 2012-06-13 09:06
    At least the Manhattan hotel understood Dan's concerns, hence the "WE PAIN" sign.
  • Gyxi 2012-06-13 09:09
    The extension cords are so much more effective than trip wires, since there will be a visual indication that someone is intruding in the server room, as the company website will go offline.
  • Nagesh 2012-06-13 09:10
    Here is view from my apartment:



    Ain't being a good idea for power company to massage a new connections. Also, askimet is being scarecrow ruining my post's good name!!! Go elsewhere askimet! Go!Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. In elementum ipsum ut nulla cursus placerat. Sed dolor lorem, faucibus eget vulputate malesuada, cursus quis lectus. Nullam viverra volutpat urna, nec venenatis arcu condimentum ut. Nam ultricies varius massa, in tempor turpis tincidunt a. Quisque dui purus, venenatis tristique cursus id, fringilla sed nisl. Etiam faucibus dapibus enim nec pellentesque. Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit. Class aptent taciti sociosqu ad litora torquent per conubia nostra, per inceptos himenaeos. Nunc cursus, orci id sollicitudin ornare, augue mauris fringilla lacus, eget mattis turpis orci at enim. Morbi scelerisque imperdiet magna quis iaculis. Curabitur et orci interdum elit vestibulum varius. In vestibulum vestibulum diam nec iaculis. Aenean fermentum ornare justo non vehicula. Mauris eu magna tellus, ac euismod magna. Mauris at quam nec diam posuere vulputate. Pellentesque blandit purus eget lacus vestibulum non semper nisi malesuada.
  • Robert 2012-06-13 09:12
    ParkinT:
    Network cable is more universally useful than Duct Tape!
    * It can carry high-energy signals
    * It can carry the weight of unmounted equipment

    {It can also secure a 6-ft aluminum ladder to the roof rack of your truck}


    Yea but can you make a boat or a cannon out of it?
  • Nagesh 2012-06-13 09:21
    Robert:
    ParkinT:
    Network cable is more universally useful than Duct Tape!
    * It can carry high-energy signals
    * It can carry the weight of unmounted equipment

    {It can also secure a 6-ft aluminum ladder to the roof rack of your truck}


    Yea but can you make a boat or a cannon out of it?

    Ain't
  • honnza 2012-06-13 09:21
    Gyxi:
    The extension cords are so much more effective than trip wires, since there will be a visual indication that someone is intruding in the server room, as the company website will go offline.

    ...which might be a good reason to intrude the server room.
  • Steve The Cynic 2012-06-13 09:26
    If you substitute the actual meaning of "ajar", the first one becomes a bit weird...

    "completely not quite shut"...

    I think the writer means "completely open" or even "wide open"...
  • ¯\(°_o)/¯ I DUNNO LOL 2012-06-13 09:34
    On the positive side, at least the fire marshal can't ding them for using daisy-chained extension cords. I think.
  • Woody 2012-06-13 09:53
    "Also, this is what passes for a server rack at this particular software company. Yes, it's made of wood."

    You wish. It's almost certainly uber-cheap particle board thinly veneered with low-grade Formica. Cheap people buy stuff like this at Wal-Mart to put collapsable (self-collapsing) shelving into their closets.
  • Dzov 2012-06-13 09:58
    In the first pic, they are just utilizing a Redundant Array of Inexpensive Fans (RAIF) as obviously the original single a/c fan has either failed or is too expensive to replace.

    As for the switch on the warehouse column, there's a max length of 100 meters for ethernet segments, so feel free to move the switch to some room along the wall and have everything fail.
  • Anonymous 2012-06-13 10:07
    Valerion:
    My garden fence is currently secured with a nice long length of CAT5. I don't see the problem, my wife isn't so keen though.


    Well duh... you didn't use CAT5e! Now your fence just looks cheap and outdated.
  • Ken 2012-06-13 10:10
    As someone who used to work IT for several steel mills/metal shops, the switch bolted to a column isn't surprising. I've seen similar setups with wireless switches - the thing to keep in mind is that in a METAL shop, there is not only a lot of METAL, but billions of dollars worth of some pretty advanced electronics and machinery, and they aren't all necessarily properly shielded.

    The reason for what you're seeing in that last picture is because of the amount of interference in the area. In fact, the column itself probably blocks all access from that side of the router, so there's probably another one not far from there in that direction. You're lucky to get 50 yards out of even high-end wireless access points, and they don't exactly take that sort of thing into account when architecting a shop, so you're left with bolted-to-a-column as the absolute best you can do.

    Even if that's not a wireless switch (I can't tell, doesn't look like it but maybe the router isn't shown) I would blame the fact that the building was probably architected before the advent of networked computers (and nobody wants to pay for the correct solution) in an industrial setting.
  • PedanticCurmudgeon 2012-06-13 10:12
    Nagesh:
    Here is view from my apartment:


    Ain't being a good idea for power company to massage a new connections. Also, askimet is being scarecrow ruining my post's good name!!! Go elsewhere askimet! Go!
    Ain't it time for you to go massage a scarecrow?
  • frits 2012-06-13 10:16
    It's cool, everybody. That "wet paint" sign should keep people away.
  • QJo 2012-06-13 10:22
    frits:
    It's cool, everybody. That "wet paint" sign should keep people away.

    I was going to suggest: be careful what you do if you decide to follow that particular instruction, otherwise you may get a nasty shock directly to a sensitive part of your anatomy.
  • Spoe 2012-06-13 10:36
    I used it secure the front bumper to my car after a fender bender until I got it to the repair shop.
  • Loren Pechtel 2012-06-13 10:57
    The first one doesn't surprise me one bit. The telcos deny water in the wires issues unless you manage to hold their noses in it like he did with that photo.
  • That guy? 2012-06-13 11:14
    You plebeians are still using CAT5e? We upgraded all our fences to CAT6 years ago.
  • KattMan 2012-06-13 11:26
    That guy?:
    You plebeians are still using CAT5e? We upgraded all our fences to CAT6 years ago.


    The lady down the street has at least 20 cats in her house.
  • Sam I am 2012-06-13 11:35
    We Pain
  • wonk 2012-06-13 11:40
    400 percent more awesome! Also, Torgue doesn't make their server racks out of freakin' wood!
  • t3rminus 2012-06-13 11:49
    wonk:
    400 percent more awesome! Also, Torgue doesn't make their server racks out of freakin' wood!


    Woo! Someone here plays Borderlands!

    Captcha: bene-- your post was molto bene
  • alegr 2012-06-13 12:35
    Dzov:
    In the first pic, they are just utilizing a Redundant Array of Inexpensive Fans (RAIF) as obviously the original single a/c fan has either failed or is too expensive to replace.

    Inexpensive Fans, also known as Groupies.
  • ShatteredArm 2012-06-13 12:40
    Steve The Cynic:
    If you substitute the actual meaning of "ajar", the first one becomes a bit weird...

    "completely not quite shut"...

    I think the writer means "completely open" or even "wide open"...


    Glad I'm not the only one who had an issue with the term "completely ajar."
  • Mike 2012-06-13 12:42
    Loren Pechtel:
    The first one doesn't surprise me one bit. The telcos deny water in the wires issues unless you manage to hold their noses in it like he did with that photo.


    Ah yes, telco companies... where quality is job #... um, 42?
  • M 2012-06-13 12:49
    Mike:
    Loren Pechtel:
    The first one doesn't surprise me one bit. The telcos deny water in the wires issues unless you manage to hold their noses in it like he did with that photo.


    Ah yes, telco companies... where quality is impossible


    FTFY
  • D-Coder 2012-06-13 12:56
    Valerion:
    My garden fence is currently secured with a nice long length of CAT5. I don't see the problem, my wife isn't so keen though.
    Don't you mean "$CAT5"?
  • Carl 2012-06-13 13:15
    that drive is actually earmarked for 'off-site backup'
    Well, you know, the drive is not 'off-site' while the backup is being made! So what's your WTF? You want them to buy a CPU case that has extra room inside for the occasional insertion of the backup drive?
  • Jack 2012-06-13 13:19
    Nagesh:
    Here is view from my apartment:
    Fake! You don't have an apartment! You probably share a vermin-infested hovel with 20 of your closest family, friends, their lovers, kids, and assorted animals. That's not counting the starving people who sleep on the street outside your cardboard-box door.
  • M 2012-06-13 13:44
    Carl:
    that drive is actually earmarked for 'off-site backup'
    Well, you know, the drive is not 'off-site' while the backup is being made! So what's your WTF? You want them to buy a CPU case that has extra room inside for the occasional insertion of the backup drive?


    Perhaps it's because the drive is dangling from a cable...
  • Evan 2012-06-13 14:01
    M:
    Carl:
    that drive is actually earmarked for 'off-site backup'
    Well, you know, the drive is not 'off-site' while the backup is being made! So what's your WTF? You want them to buy a CPU case that has extra room inside for the occasional insertion of the backup drive?


    Perhaps it's because the drive is dangling from a cable...

    I think Carl's post was sarcasm. At least I hope it was.
  • Nagesh 2012-06-13 14:13
    Jack:
    Nagesh:
    Here is view from my apartment:
    Fake! You don't have an apartment! You probably share a vermin-infested hovel with 20 of your closest family, friends, their lovers, kids, and assorted animals. That's not counting the starving people who sleep on the street outside your cardboard-box door.

    Ain't that what arpartment is?
  • Malfist 2012-06-13 14:50
    Nagesh:
    Jack:
    Nagesh:
    Here is view from my apartment:
    Fake! You don't have an apartment! You probably share a vermin-infested hovel with 20 of your closest family, friends, their lovers, kids, and assorted animals. That's not counting the starving people who sleep on the street outside your cardboard-box door.

    Ain't that what arpartment is?


    Fake Nagesh is fake. Nagesh wouldn't use the word, "ain't"
  • Coder 2012-06-13 15:27
    Sure he would. "Ain't" is now an accepted part of Fake Nagesh's vocabulary.
  • Nagesh 2012-06-13 15:43
    Coder:
    Sure he would. "Ain't" is now an accepted part of Fake Nagesh's vocabulary.

    Seems like proper word to me. Askimet, mattersharter! Let me post url!
  • Larry Sheldon 2012-06-13 16:35
    Back in the days when A computer occupied most of a floor in and office building (and it's power plant most of the basement of a nearby building) The Supreme Know-it-all manager in dead seriousness wanted to buy a lot of window air conditioners to be installed on chairs sitting around the computer room for the days when the undersized A/C plant failed (which it did with infinite predictability in San Jose's quite predictable hot weather).
  • Ted 2012-06-13 16:49
    Larry Sheldon:
    Back in the days when A computer occupied most of a floor in and office building (and it's power plant most of the basement of a nearby building) The Supreme Know-it-all manager in dead seriousness wanted to buy a lot of window air conditioners to be installed on chairs sitting around the computer room for the days when the undersized A/C plant failed (which it did with infinite predictability in San Jose's quite predictable hot weather).
    See? This proves that it is not merely in I.T. that people don't (want to bother to) understand how things work.

    I've known a lot of people who seem to think an air conditioner "makes cold" rather than "pumps heat from side A to side B (generating extra waste heat in the process)". If they had the latter understanding, they would know it is a negative benefit to put side A and side B in the same room.

    But it is just magical thinking. "AC magic cold box hur durr! Create cold from nothing, cold good!"
  • Fake Fake Nagesh 2012-06-13 17:44
    Nagesh:
    Coder:
    Sure he would. "Ain't" is now an accepted part of Fake Nagesh's vocabulary.

    Seems like proper word to me. Askimet, mattersharter! Let me post url!


    But it ain't true that ain't are not being proper Englishes? If so, why English English people use ain't?

    Silly English language-users ain't be knowing own language use!

    CAPTCHA: valetudo - A song about valets.
  • Zemm 2012-06-13 18:09
    Ted:
    I've known a lot of people who seem to think an air conditioner "makes cold" rather than "pumps heat from side A to side B (generating extra waste heat in the process)". If they had the latter understanding, they would know it is a negative benefit to put side A and side B in the same room.


    Even cheaper he could just use a Korean fan in the sealed server room to make it nice and frosty!
  • Zemm 2012-06-13 18:11
    That second one could have come from this!
  • Jason 2012-06-13 18:36
    A "visually similar" search to the water-filled telecom vault came up with this one, I'm amazed we haven't seen a story about it here yet.

    http://www.fynder.eu/Elenos%20Always%20on%20air.jpg
  • Friedrice the Great 2012-06-13 19:24
    Loren Pechtel:
    The first one doesn't surprise me one bit. The telcos deny water in the wires issues unless you manage to hold their noses in it like he did with that photo.


    Worked in commercial property management once. One office building we owned was the first property on the feed from the power plant. Everytime the power plant switched loads around, it sent a surge through the lines. A few surges later, the large capacitors that formed part of the elevator system would die at a cost of $5000 each.

    Local power company wouldn't do a thing about it until we put a power monitor on the building for a year, and gave them a report correlating their power surges with our dead capacitors.

    Worthless things, central power companies.

    captcha: tristique - a boutique where you buy gourmet Triscuits?
  • Cheong 2012-06-13 22:36
    The photo submitted by Matt actually isn't much WTF. I've see a few of similar configuration in China.

    If you don't place expensive equipments this high, someday you'll be likely to find them missing...
  • Luiz Felipe 2012-06-13 23:02
    Zemm:
    Ted:
    I've known a lot of people who seem to think an air conditioner "makes cold" rather than "pumps heat from side A to side B (generating extra waste heat in the process)". If they had the latter understanding, they would know it is a negative benefit to put side A and side B in the same room.


    Even cheaper he could just use a Korean fan in the sealed server room to make it nice and frosty!


    I have a fan running 24/7 by two year now, and hasnt died yet.
  • Coyne 2012-06-14 02:25
    "Poor switch", Matt? Take a look at that switch in Dan's picture: Now that is a pathetically maltreated switch.
  • blither 2012-06-14 04:32
    Fan Death warning! That first pic looks DEADLY, I tell you!
  • Geoff 2012-06-14 08:11
    I have seen that one often as well, actually I have done it myself. Sometimes you just have to make some compromises. As you say lots stuff on shop floors is not well shields and the runs can get quite long, so you are looking at fiber and then STP along the benches. You have terminate the fiber in something, might as well be switch. So you now you are looking at installing bulky wall racks all over the place or what you see in the picture.

    Yes, without some filter cloth and and enclosure, and being mounted on its side its probably going die young, but even replacing it a little higher frequency is cheaper and better than the alternatives.
  • memesiaup 2012-06-14 09:12
    Where is it? :O
  • memesiaup 2012-06-14 09:14
    Would someone be bothered to visit yeeti.com and tell me if it's good or not?
  • PedanticCurmudgeon 2012-06-14 10:57
    inb4 "Hey, guys, Alex is dead!"
  • Kyle 2012-06-14 11:34
    My greatest server room story...worked at a magazine. Server room did not have a raised floor. Server room was adjacent to woman's bathroom and it would flood once a month. Us dumb guys could never figure it out.

    Finally, the call center director enlightened us. The bathroom was used by a large call center that was 95% female. In time, the call center's ladies menstrual cycles got in sync, and the sheer amount femine products flushed during said week would cause the bathroom to flood.

    She (the call center director) referred to it as hell week...but for her own reasons.
  • Remy Porter 2012-06-14 12:30
    Hey guys, I'm sorry I have to report this, but Alex got his unmentionable caught in an elevator door as part of a dare that Mike and I put him up to. Unfortunately, Mike panicked and hit the emergency stop and Alex bled out before medical care could be summoned. Please considere Alex's wife, as she visits the sperm bank to try to salvage as much of Alex's legacy as he has left.
  • ¯\(°_o)/¯ I DUNNO LOL 2012-06-14 13:31
    Old and busted: Fake Nagesh

    New Hawtness: Fake Remy
  • Matt Westwood 2012-06-14 15:41
    Kyle:
    My greatest server room story...worked at a magazine. Server room did not have a raised floor. Server room was adjacent to woman's bathroom and it would flood once a month. Us dumb guys could never figure it out.

    Finally, the call center director enlightened us. The bathroom was used by a large call center that was 95% female. In time, the call center's ladies menstrual cycles got in sync, and the sheer amount femine products flushed during said week would cause the bathroom to flood.

    She (the call center director) referred to it as hell week...but for her own reasons.


    The real WTF is stupid cows flushing their filthy rags. Most civilised nations provide disposal facilities for your bloody trash. Use the fucking things, cunts.
  • Matt Westwood 2012-06-14 15:45
    Ted:
    Larry Sheldon:
    Back in the days when A computer occupied most of a floor in and office building (and it's power plant most of the basement of a nearby building) The Supreme Know-it-all manager in dead seriousness wanted to buy a lot of window air conditioners to be installed on chairs sitting around the computer room for the days when the undersized A/C plant failed (which it did with infinite predictability in San Jose's quite predictable hot weather).
    See? This proves that it is not merely in I.T. that people don't (want to bother to) understand how things work.

    I've known a lot of people who seem to think an air conditioner "makes cold" rather than "pumps heat from side A to side B (generating extra waste heat in the process)". If they had the latter understanding, they would know it is a negative benefit to put side A and side B in the same room.

    But it is just magical thinking. "AC magic cold box hur durr! Create cold from nothing, cold good!"


    Like the old Martin Gardner physics quiz question: "If you had six large refrigerators running full power in a basement, would this cause the temperature of the basement to fall significantly?"
  • Ted 2012-06-14 17:35
    Matt Westwood:
    Ted:
    Larry Sheldon:
    Back in the days when A computer occupied most of a floor in and office building (and it's power plant most of the basement of a nearby building) The Supreme Know-it-all manager in dead seriousness wanted to buy a lot of window air conditioners to be installed on chairs sitting around the computer room for the days when the undersized A/C plant failed (which it did with infinite predictability in San Jose's quite predictable hot weather).
    See? This proves that it is not merely in I.T. that people don't (want to bother to) understand how things work.

    I've known a lot of people who seem to think an air conditioner "makes cold" rather than "pumps heat from side A to side B (generating extra waste heat in the process)". If they had the latter understanding, they would know it is a negative benefit to put side A and side B in the same room.

    But it is just magical thinking. "AC magic cold box hur durr! Create cold from nothing, cold good!"


    Like the old Martin Gardner physics quiz question: "If you had six large refrigerators running full power in a basement, would this cause the temperature of the basement to fall significantly?"
    Are the fridge doors open or closed?

    If closed, does the light truly go out? How can we be sure?

    Is there a maybe-dead cat involved in any way?
  • Jim 2012-06-14 17:59
    Jason:
    A "visually similar" search to the water-filled telecom vault came up with this one, I'm amazed we haven't seen a story about it here yet.

    http://www.fynder.eu/Elenos%20Always%20on%20air.jpg
    I'm not. not everyone in the world reads thedailywtf.com
  • default_ex 2012-06-14 20:45
    I was going to suggest requiring the RAIF with a cheap HVB from Walmarts, just take the HVB out of it's silly airflow reducing casing. But then Jason posted the following:

    Jason:
    A "visually similar" search to the water-filled telecom vault came up with this one, I'm amazed we haven't seen a story about it here yet.

    http://www.fynder.eu/Elenos%20Always%20on%20air.jpg


    Now that is a cooling system!
  • Anon 2012-06-15 03:33
    I've seen something very similar to the first setup in the server room of a large multinational (cash and securities) organisation. A power cut somehow knocked out the A/C and there was no backup. Solution was to setup fans in the server room and open the doors all the way from the front door 40 metres away. Quite how the cooler air from the outside was supposed to find its way into the server room, I'm not sure.

    No-one seemed to really grasp the fact that a) electric motors in fans create heat, and will simply further heat up the server room and b) in the long term the servers won't cool down from having fans blowing the already warm air at them as they don't sweat...

    Just a whole series of fail. I'm most surprised no-one started misting the servers with water sprays to simulate sweating...
  • QJo 2012-06-15 08:51
    Anon:
    I've seen something very similar to the first setup in the server room of a large multinational (cash and securities) organisation. A power cut somehow knocked out the A/C and there was no backup. Solution was to setup fans in the server room and open the doors all the way from the front door 40 metres away. Quite how the cooler air from the outside was supposed to find its way into the server room, I'm not sure.

    No-one seemed to really grasp the fact that a) electric motors in fans create heat, and will simply further heat up the server room and b) in the long term the servers won't cool down from having fans blowing the already warm air at them as they don't sweat...

    Just a whole series of fail. I'm most surprised no-one started misting the servers with water sprays to simulate sweating...


    I suppose they could have persuaded an ice-cream van to park permanently in the server room and persuade the staff to purchase enough of its wares to make it worth his while. Although in the weather we've been having in Britain recently he'd be doing better business selling hot dogs.