The Designer's Cover Letter, Temporary Web Siter, and Scaring off Female Candidates

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  • A Nonny Mouse 2009-09-24 09:17
    she got offered the role despite her sense of humour fail?
  • Bicycle Pirate 2009-09-24 09:22
    Arrrr, why do those douchenozzles have to wear sponsor-laden spandex while riding their bicycle to work? I am ashamed to be a bicyclist when packs of them ride by. Nobody is sponsoring them either! Seriously, normal shorts or jeans and a t-shirt work just as well. Even if you're cycling 50+ miles you don't need spandex or any of that junk.
  • Junkie 2009-09-24 09:24
    Being a heavily male-dominated office (like most in the IT world), he could get away with this.
    Before drinking coffee, I thought you meant the office was dominated by heavy males. Heavy men on bicycles is one thing, but heavy men in spandex was...

    It took a few more reads to erase the tape.
  • masseyis 2009-09-24 09:37
    Junkie:
    Being a heavily male-dominated office (like most in the IT world), he could get away with this.
    Before drinking coffee, I thought you meant the office was dominated by heavy males. Heavy men on bicycles is one thing, but heavy men in spandex was...

    It took a few more reads to erase the tape.


    Obligatory: [url]http://xkcd.com/37/[url]
  • Pawel23 2009-09-24 09:40
    I especially like this one from the resumes:
    http://livelyarsenic.deviantart.com/art/architecture-resume-97693668
    Yep, it is printed and shoot on a wooden table. Priceless. :)
  • SB 2009-09-24 09:48
    Is the real what the fudge the fact that no one in office asked colleague to stop wearing spandex ? I'd last about two days before cracking.
  • Matt 2009-09-24 09:50
    Bicycle Pirate:
    Arrrr, why do those douchenozzles have to wear sponsor-laden spandex while riding their bicycle to work? I am ashamed to be a bicyclist when packs of them ride by.

    Maybe if packs of them are riding by you, their spandex helps them ride faster. Jus sayin...

    {second post attempt}
  • NSCoder 2009-09-24 09:53
    Junkie:
    Being a heavily male-dominated office (like most in the IT world), he could get away with this.
    Before drinking coffee, I thought you meant the office was dominated by heavy males. Heavy men on bicycles is one thing, but heavy men in spandex was...

    It took a few more reads to erase the tape.
    I'm still wondering why Alex is referring to the office as 'he'.
  • H.R. 2009-09-24 09:57
    Rule 1. Do not joke during an interview. Otherwise you would have to tell the same joke to every candidate, to keep things equal.

    Rule 2. Especially do not joke to a female candidate. Unlike everywhere else on the planet, when at work, females do not like jokes and they will sue your ass into next fiscal year.

    Rule 3. And whatever you do, never ever joke to a qualified female candidate who is a woman!
  • Roland Studer 2009-09-24 09:59
    [quote]Needless to say, that "graphic designer" was never considered.[quote]

    The person who faxed this, really stood out. If this were the cover of a well designed portfolio, the applicant might be a genius…
  • hinek 2009-09-24 10:00
    I don't know what followed the cover letter, but I think it's a great idea: It really stands out, exactly what you want ...

    I would have considered this person for a position which needs creativity ... such as ehm ... designer ...
  • hinek 2009-09-24 10:02
    wow, I was too slow ... exactly my thinking ...
  • amischiefr 2009-09-24 10:03
    H.R.:

    Rule 3. And whatever you do, never ever joke to a qualified female candidate who is a woman!

    As opposed to a female candidate that is a transvestite? Or maybe the man counterpart in a lesbian relationship?

    Rule#0: never hire women in a programming shop. They smell, they're distracting, they bitch all the time. Hire the fat nerdy guy that has no life. Coworkers won't be distracted, and he'll work extra hours because he has nothing better to do than go home and play WoW.
  • DrJDX 2009-09-24 10:07
    If you ask me, she's just a wee-bit hypersensitive; I mean, hey, at least no one offered her Pants-Free Fridays. Honestly, some dude in a biking suit is nothing to worry about unless you're the type of nutjob who is trapped in the dark ages of personal and societal maturation.

    That's the kind of personal defect that, in my opinion, for my ideal office environment, can disqualify even the most technically skilled candidate. Laugh about it or leave, just do it in the interview, please.
  • Matt Jeffryes 2009-09-24 10:07
    amischiefr:
    H.R.:

    Rule 3. And whatever you do, never ever joke to a qualified female candidate who is a woman!

    As opposed to a female candidate that is a transvestite? Or maybe the man counterpart in a lesbian relationship?

    Rule#0: never hire women in a programming shop. They smell, they're distracting, they bitch all the time. Hire the fat nerdy guy that has no life. Coworkers won't be distracted, and he'll work extra hours because he has nothing better to do than go home and play WoW.

    Or better still, don't hire someone based on their gender, since it's against the law in most places, and makes you seem shallow and closed minded.
  • Steve H 2009-09-24 10:11
    Being female, she was pretty much guaranteed a job offer as soon as she sent in her résumé


    That's pretty much the Real WTF right there, not least because it's true.
  • shadowman 2009-09-24 10:19
    NSCoder:
    Junkie:
    Being a heavily male-dominated office (like most in the IT world), he could get away with this.
    Before drinking coffee, I thought you meant the office was dominated by heavy males. Heavy men on bicycles is one thing, but heavy men in spandex was...

    It took a few more reads to erase the tape.
    I'm still wondering why Alex is referring to the office as 'he'.


    Oh, I always call a gang "she." It's like when you call a boat "she" or a hurricane "she."
  • xtremezone 2009-09-24 10:24
    Wow, those graphic designer resumes are terrible. Resumes are supposed to contain information and it should only take 30 seconds to read one over. If you'd have to take half a day to figure it out, it should be going in the garbage after 30 seconds.

    As a commenter on the linked site said, resumes are to communicate information efficiently. Portfolios are to show off creativity or skill.
  • OldCoder 2009-09-24 10:24
    Bicycle Pirate:
    Arrrr, why do those douchenozzles have to wear sponsor-laden spandex while riding their bicycle to work? I am ashamed to be a bicyclist when packs of them ride by. Nobody is sponsoring them either! Seriously, normal shorts or jeans and a t-shirt work just as well. Even if you're cycling 50+ miles you don't need spandex or any of that junk.


    So you have an infinite supply of work clothes, then? Riding more than about 4 miles each way every day will trash whatever you're wearing, so it's something fresh every day - or smell.

    Jeans? You obviously don't live in a climate which includes rain.

    Plus, wearing the currect clothing (i) keeps you cool when you need to be (ii) is more comfortable to ride in and (iii) is a great deal lighter in weight than the alternatives.

    I used to cycle to work, distances varied from 2.5 miles to 13. 2.5 is doable in work clothes, more really isn't. That's still no excuse for not changing when you get there.
  • TGV 2009-09-24 10:26
    H.R.:
    Rule 1. Do not joke during an interview. Otherwise you would have to tell the same joke to every candidate, to keep things equal.

    I had a good laugh (and a WTF) at the article, but your rule #1 is priceless.
  • Adriano 2009-09-24 10:34
    OldCoder:

    Jeans? You obviously don't live in a climate which includes rain.

    If you get rain while cycling, you're fucked anyway. Or are you going to tell us that spandex is so much better than denim to hold out water?
  • Slicerwizard 2009-09-24 10:45
    OldCoder:
    So you have an infinite supply of work clothes, then? Riding more than about 4 miles each way every day will trash whatever you're wearing, so it's something fresh every day - or smell.

    Uh, it should be fresh clothes every day whether you cycled to work or not. Yes, even for geeks.
  • RoverDaddy 2009-09-24 10:49
    xtremezone:
    Wow, those graphic designer resumes are terrible. Resumes are supposed to contain information and it should only take 30 seconds to read one over. If you'd have to take half a day to figure it out, it should be going in the garbage after 30 seconds.

    As a commenter on the linked site said, resumes are to communicate information efficiently. Portfolios are to show off creativity or skill.


    Apparently the poster believes that designer resumes are meant to directly convey the candidates design skills and originality. Maybe this particular candidate didn't know about that 'rule' and simply provided their resume in the most efficient way possible. Perhaps they were actually the most qualified candidate for the job?

    Of course, I have no experience being a graphic designer or trying to hire one, but I do know that programming candidates don't write their resumes in code.

    Verto: as in, "After seeing those resumes I felt a case of extreme verto coming on."
  • Anon 2009-09-24 10:51
    OldCoder:
    Bicycle Pirate:
    Arrrr, why do those douchenozzles have to wear sponsor-laden spandex while riding their bicycle to work? I am ashamed to be a bicyclist when packs of them ride by. Nobody is sponsoring them either! Seriously, normal shorts or jeans and a t-shirt work just as well. Even if you're cycling 50+ miles you don't need spandex or any of that junk.


    So you have an infinite supply of work clothes, then? Riding more than about 4 miles each way every day will trash whatever you're wearing, so it's something fresh every day - or smell.

    Jeans? You obviously don't live in a climate which includes rain.

    Plus, wearing the currect clothing (i) keeps you cool when you need to be (ii) is more comfortable to ride in and (iii) is a great deal lighter in weight than the alternatives.

    I used to cycle to work, distances varied from 2.5 miles to 13. 2.5 is doable in work clothes, more really isn't. That's still no excuse for not changing when you get there.

    You mean to tell me you don't wear fresh clothes every day? Regardless of whether you cycle or not and whether you change from your cycling clothes or not? And, I hope, you change the cycling clothes once in a while.
    It doesn't require infinite work clothes, it requires a washing machine and maybe an iron (depending on the dress code where you work).
  • Anon 2009-09-24 10:53
    xtremezone:
    Wow, those graphic designer resumes are terrible. Resumes are supposed to contain information and it should only take 30 seconds to read one over. If you'd have to take half a day to figure it out, it should be going in the garbage after 30 seconds.

    As a commenter on the linked site said, resumes are to communicate information efficiently. Portfolios are to show off creativity or skill.


    My thoughts too. Some of them are very clever and pretty, but if I can't even figure out where I'm suppose to start, then it kind of fails. Even as a designer, the aim should be communication, and on that front, some of them fail miserably.
  • Inhibeo 2009-09-24 10:57
    Adriano:

    If you get rain while cycling, you're fucked anyway. Or are you going to tell us that spandex is so much better than denim to hold out water?

    Actually, yes. Cotton retains moisture like a sponge and can soak thoroughly. Spandex will wick moisture away from your body and dry much faster.

    Of course, you don't need to wear skin-tight clothing and be a douche in the office. Loose-fitting synthetic fiber clothing works just as well.
  • MrsPost 2009-09-24 10:57
    Steve H:
    Being female, she was pretty much guaranteed a job offer as soon as she sent in her résumé


    That's pretty much the Real WTF right there, not least because it's true.


    Sweet. I'll be golden in my next job search then. And for the record, that comment about full body spandex wouldn't have phased me had the rest of the interview been good. If I were comfortable with the interviewer I probably would have brought up Pants-Free Friday in my response.

    Women in IT need to have a sense of humor and a LOT of self-confidence.
  • JohnB 2009-09-24 11:13
    Matt:
    Bicycle Pirate:
    Arrrr, why do those douchenozzles have to wear sponsor-laden spandex while riding their bicycle to work? I am ashamed to be a bicyclist when packs of them ride by.

    Maybe if packs of them are riding by you, their spandex helps them ride faster. Jus sayin...

    {second post attempt}
    Or OP is going east and they're going west.
  • pitchingchris 2009-09-24 11:16
    Is the real WTF in #2 the fact that he declined free beer ?
  • mace 2009-09-24 11:18
    xtremezone:
    Wow, those graphic designer resumes are terrible. Resumes are supposed to contain information and it should only take 30 seconds to read one over. If you'd have to take half a day to figure it out, it should be going in the garbage after 30 seconds.

    As a commenter on the linked site said, resumes are to communicate information efficiently. Portfolios are to show off creativity or skill.


    Just what I was thinking. If I was a recruiter with job openings now, I'd probably have about 10,000 resumes on my desk. Maybe graphic designer recruiters think differently, but if I look at a resume and can't figure out whether you meet the basic qualifications in about 10 seconds, it's going in the trash. Which applies to at least 95% of the resumes on that site.

    I thought part of practical graphic design was being able to communicate information efficiently. Most of these people managed to prove that they're terrible at it before they even set for in the building.
  • action roommate 2009-09-24 11:22
    When it came to hiring a new developer, we found that rarest of gems: a qualified female candidate.


    Did anyone else do a double-take at this phrase?

    "Wow, would you believe we someone with a vagina who can program! I know! I thought they weren't allowed to leave the kitchen!"

    Dude, even if it's true it's a tasteless thing to say.
  • Crash Magnet 2009-09-24 11:23
    amischiefr:
    H.R.:

    Rule 3. And whatever you do, never ever joke to a qualified female candidate who is a woman!

    As opposed to a female candidate that is a transvestite? Or maybe the man counterpart in a lesbian relationship?


    Feminist make a great deal of the difference between the words female and woman. A female describe the gender of an animal, whereas a woman is the gender of a human. You'll sometimes catch feminist writting sentences like "the worman and the male...". The male in this sentense is not even human.
  • dkf 2009-09-24 11:27
    OldCoder:
    I used to cycle to work, distances varied from 2.5 miles to 13. 2.5 is doable in work clothes, more really isn't. That's still no excuse for not changing when you get there.
    So you'd cycle into work while wearing work clothes and then, once you're there, change into spandex?

    I think I don't wish to investigate that thought further...
  • The guy 2009-09-24 11:27
    xtremezone:
    Wow, those graphic designer resumes are terrible. Resumes are supposed to contain information and it should only take 30 seconds to read one over. If you'd have to take half a day to figure it out, it should be going in the garbage after 30 seconds.

    As a commenter on the linked site said, resumes are to communicate information efficiently. Portfolios are to show off creativity or skill.


    I think you're missing the point a little bit. For a graphic designer, the #1 qualification is what they can produce. For a designer, the portfolio is much more important than anything on the resume, so conveying all those little details in 30 seconds isn't really important. Giving the employer a taste of your portfolio in 30 seconds is vital. If they like what they see, then will keep the resume and look further at the details on the second pass.

    It may be backwards from what you expect in a technical, IT world, but that's the way it is.
  • SenTree 2009-09-24 11:43
    Anon:
    My thoughts too. Some of them are very clever and pretty, but if I can't even figure out where I'm suppose to start, then it kind of fails.
    Took me a moment to realise you weren't commenting on the female candidate thread !
  • SR 2009-09-24 11:45
    There's no excuse for wearing an all-in-one cycling suit at work. Wear it in if you must but get changed.

    You're at work, so put some fncking trousers on! How difficult is that?
  • Robb 2009-09-24 11:58
    It's the same with wandering around the woods, backpacking. You will want clothes that wick away moisture, not hold it on your skin.

    Also, all the cyclist here change and some even shower before entering the office. Sort of an un-written rule. Wearing full spandex would surely cause that person to be ridiculed until they changed anyways.

    (I work on an air force base)
  • Anonymous Crowd 2009-09-24 12:01
    SB:

    SB:
    Is the real what the fudge the fact that no one in office asked colleague to stop wearing spandex ? I'd last about two days before cracking.


    O RLY?

    How, exactly, are you going to do this without exposing massive "latent homosexuality" issues within yourself?

    "Could you *please* stop wearing spandex?!"

    "Why?"

    "It makes me uncomfortable. The way it hugs your well-developed chest, the way it clings to your sculpted buttocks...Errrr..."

    OTOH, if these feelings aren't svery latent, then it wouldn't be a problem I suppose...
  • Robb 2009-09-24 12:03
    Ned Flanders: Feels like i'm wearing nothing at all!!
  • the female 2009-09-24 12:03
    As a qualified female programmer, I always thought it was harder for me to get an offer, after all, who is more probably going to fit in, one of the guys or this strange specimen from another species that the guys feel awkward with?

  • Bobble 2009-09-24 12:07
    Anonymous Crowd:
    SB:

    SB:
    Is the real what the fudge the fact that no one in office asked colleague to stop wearing spandex ? I'd last about two days before cracking.


    O RLY?

    How, exactly, are you going to do this without exposing massive "latent homosexuality" issues within yourself?

    "Could you *please* stop wearing spandex?!"

    "Why?"

    "It makes me uncomfortable. The way it hugs your well-developed chest, the way it clings to your sculpted buttocks...Errrr..."

    OTOH, if these feelings aren't svery latent, then it wouldn't be a problem I suppose...



    No. You just tell him that spandex is not appropriate attire for the work place and offer him a place to change.

    Then offer him head while he's changing. No risk of exposing latent homosexuality. You'll just expose full blown homosexuality.
  • Whateverfor 2009-09-24 12:16
    action roommate:
    When it came to hiring a new developer, we found that rarest of gems: a qualified female candidate.


    Did anyone else do a double-take at this phrase?

    "Wow, would you believe we someone with a vagina who can program! I know! I thought they weren't allowed to leave the kitchen!"

    Dude, even if it's true it's a tasteless thing to say.


    It's not that women can't program, they obviously can. At least at my college, they were among the brighter students. All five of them.

    Women just don't want to become programmers. It's not that great a field to work in anyway, it's really not that surprising.
  • amischiefr 2009-09-24 12:16
    Bobble:
    Anonymous Crowd:
    SB:

    SB:
    Is the real what the fudge the fact that no one in office asked colleague to stop wearing spandex ? I'd last about two days before cracking.


    O RLY?

    How, exactly, are you going to do this without exposing massive "latent homosexuality" issues within yourself?

    "Could you *please* stop wearing spandex?!"

    "Why?"

    "It makes me uncomfortable. The way it hugs your well-developed chest, the way it clings to your sculpted buttocks...Errrr..."

    OTOH, if these feelings aren't svery latent, then it wouldn't be a problem I suppose...



    No. You just tell him that spandex is not appropriate attire for the work place and offer him a place to change.

    Then offer him head while he's changing. No risk of exposing latent homosexuality. You'll just expose full blown homosexuality.

    Either that, or you could comment him every day on how nice his moose-knuckle looks. Eventually, unless he's a fag, he'll start to feel uncomfortable and stop wearing the god damned suit.
  • Bim Job 2009-09-24 12:27
    amischiefr:
    Either that, or you could comment him every day on how nice his moose-knuckle looks. Eventually, unless he's a fag, he'll start to feel uncomfortable and stop wearing the god damned suit.
    First time I've ever heard of the phrase "moose knuckle," so I headed over to Urban Dictionary to check it out.

    Whaddya know? The banner ads for the "moose knuckle" definition feature brand new pictures of Irish Girl...

    I'm not sure what to make of this.
  • SR 2009-09-24 12:38
    Bim Job:
    First time I've ever heard of the phrase "moose knuckle," so I headed over to Urban Dictionary to check it out.

    Whaddya know? The banner ads for the "moose knuckle" definition feature brand new pictures of Irish Girl...

    I'm not sure what to make of this.


    That'll teach me to just guess!
  • morry 2009-09-24 12:50
    I used to cycle into work every day in Switzerland and it did rain regularly - there's a reason why it's so green there. Bring or wear a damned raincoat or parka. I always rode in my business casual and occasionally in a full suit. Admittedly it wasn't very far (4km at most, never actually measured), but still.
  • WhiskeyJack 2009-09-24 12:50
    OldCoder:

    So you have an infinite supply of work clothes, then? Riding more than about 4 miles each way every day will trash whatever you're wearing, so it's something fresh every day - or smell.


    And wearing the spandex all day long avoids this problem, how?
  • Bosshog 2009-09-24 12:54
    pitchingchris:
    Is the real WTF in #2 the fact that he declined free beer ?

    Finally, someone is making sense!
  • Jan 2009-09-24 12:56
    No, you cannot get by in just jeans and t-shirt if you're doing anything over 20 - 30 km a day. You really need some comfort down there, if you get my drift.

    I ride up to 60 km a day, so I really know what I'm talking about. I *always* have a shower and I do wear office-friendly clothes, though.
  • the beholder 2009-09-24 13:16
    action roommate:
    When it came to hiring a new developer, we found that rarest of gems: a qualified female candidate.


    Did anyone else do a double-take at this phrase?

    "Wow, would you believe we someone with a vagina who can program! I know! I thought they weren't allowed to leave the kitchen!"

    Dude, even if it's true it's a tasteless thing to say.
    action roommate, I'm really happy for you, and I'll let you finish, but T0pCod3r did some of the best trolling in this site of all time.
  • glwtta 2009-09-24 13:25
    Wow, I guess "being able to read the damn thing" is not an important consideration for design-related resumes.
  • hikari 2009-09-24 13:26
    Slicerwizard:
    OldCoder:
    So you have an infinite supply of work clothes, then? Riding more than about 4 miles each way every day will trash whatever you're wearing, so it's something fresh every day - or smell.

    Uh, it should be fresh clothes every day whether you cycled to work or not. Yes, even for geeks.


    Assuming you're not including trousers in that, I would agree. Trousers get changed twice a - working - week, everything else is every day.

    Well, other than shoes, obviously. Although I guess I could change those nearly every day too.
  • nerdy girl 2009-09-24 13:39
    "so, how do you feel about working with men wearing full-body spandex suits?"


    Why hasn't this ever happened to me?

    Seriously, though, I think my response would be that it depends on the man. If the guy is really dedicated enough to cycling to justify that bodysuit, I'd say it would be more a benefit than a deterrent. Also, don't tell anyone I told you, but yes, some of us females find fresh man-sweat to be enticing, too. At least, those of us who haven't been socialized out of every single biological response by the unrealistic depictions in entertainment and the media.
  • Brady kelly 2009-09-24 13:42
    @Eliot, you are the WYF. You could have gotten drunk and laid, never mind setting up a major geek-driven drug and prostitution ring.

    I hope your family remembers you as the 'boy who never tried', you sad and ethical wanker.
  • Arancaytar 2009-09-24 13:52
    Arrrr, why do those douchenozzles have to wear sponsor-laden spandex while riding their bicycle to work? I am ashamed to be a bicyclist when packs of them ride by. Nobody is sponsoring them either! Seriously, normal shorts or jeans and a t-shirt work just as well. Even if you're cycling 50+ miles you don't need spandex or any of that junk.


    This, yeah.

    "Other people can ride a bicycle without dressing up as an idiot, why can't you?".
  • Arancaytar 2009-09-24 13:55
    H.R.:
    Rule 3. And whatever you do, never ever joke to a qualified female candidate who is a woman!


    As opposed to a qualified female candidate who is a man, I suppose.
  • EatenByAGrue 2009-09-24 14:03

    Either that, or you could comment him every day on how nice his moose-knuckle looks. Eventually, unless he's a fag, he'll start to feel uncomfortable and stop wearing the god damned suit.

    The very last thing I'd want is for him to stop wearing the suit, unless he's also been convinced to put on some other clothes.
  • IT Girl 2009-09-24 14:11
    MrsPost:
    Steve H:
    Being female, she was pretty much guaranteed a job offer as soon as she sent in her résumé


    That's pretty much the Real WTF right there, not least because it's true.


    Sweet. I'll be golden in my next job search then. And for the record, that comment about full body spandex wouldn't have phased me had the rest of the interview been good. If I were comfortable with the interviewer I probably would have brought up Pants-Free Friday in my response.

    Women in IT need to have a sense of humor and a LOT of self-confidence.


    I agree...wouldn't it be nice to believe that simple gender puts us ahead in our bid for a job just because the field is male-dominated. Even if you're the most qualified candidate in the pool, the guys often find a problem with hiring you.

    I once had 4 interviews for an entry level position. Our small group was where all the women in the entire IT department were. There were 3 of us.

    The supervisor tried to hire an incredibly unqualified guy because he didn't want another woman on his team. by the 3rd interview they had to bring in a programmer (this wasn't a programming job) to ask the technical questions (because the supervisor wouldn't have known the answers) and I, apparently, knew more than the women that were about to become my colleagues.

    This supervisor finally had to hire me because the HR representative told him I'd have a case of discrimination if he didn't. All this came out after I took the job, which turned into 2 years of sheer hell because this guy didn't want to hire me in the first place. I tell so many wtf stories about that job it's scary.

    .. and yes, he was constantly derided by all the other IT divisions for having all the "girls" on his team.
  • Old Man 2009-09-24 14:42
    H.R.:
    Rule 3. And whatever you do, never ever joke to a qualified female candidate who is a woman!

    As opposed to the qualified female candidates who are males? :p
  • Altimeter 2009-09-24 14:48
    OldCoder:
    So you have an infinite supply of work clothes, then?


    My washin machinez

    Letz me sho you them
  • Vechni 2009-09-24 14:49
    wooden table resume:

    http://netdna.webdesignerdepot.com/uploads/resumes/27.jpg
  • Vechni 2009-09-24 14:55
    also, how did this one slip in:

    http://netdna.webdesignerdepot.com/uploads/resumes/19.jpg


    And this one is just funny somehow, maybe it's a cultural thing:
    http://netdna.webdesignerdepot.com/uploads/resumes/22.jpg
  • Anon 2009-09-24 15:03
    nerdy girl:
    "so, how do you feel about working with men wearing full-body spandex suits?"


    Why hasn't this ever happened to me?

    Seriously, though, I think my response would be that it depends on the man. If the guy is really dedicated enough to cycling to justify that bodysuit, I'd say it would be more a benefit than a deterrent. Also, don't tell anyone I told you, but yes, some of us females find fresh man-sweat to be enticing, too. At least, those of us who haven't been socialized out of every single biological response by the unrealistic depictions in entertainment and the media.


    I'll have you know that your male colleagues aren't their just for you to ogle at. We're more than just eye candy you know!
  • TheFaithfulStone 2009-09-24 15:09
    That graphic designer is obviously overqualified.

    Clearly, he used to be an creative director or something, and just penciled this out real quick with the intent of giving it to one of the production guys to typeset.
  • obediah 2009-09-24 15:13
    OldCoder:
    2.5 is doable in work clothes, more really isn't.


    Aside from comfort, there is the wear and tear on the pants. I'm only 1.5 miles from work, and even at that distance a pair of pants won't last more than a year. If crotchless man pants ever come into style, I'm set!
  • DaveK 2009-09-24 16:10
    hinek:
    I don't know what followed the cover letter, but I think it's a great idea: It really stands out, exactly what you want ...

    I would have considered this person for a position which needs creativity ... such as ehm ... designer ...
    Indeed everyone seems to have overlooked the single most innovative feature of the design: he drew the whole thing upside-down! (Shame Alex got the GIF the wrong way up and spoiled the effect though.)
  • Homer 2009-09-24 16:11
    Robb:
    Ned Flanders: Feels like i'm wearing nothing at all!!
    Stupid Flanders!
  • nerdy girl 2009-09-24 16:56
    Anon:

    I'll have you know that your male colleagues aren't their just for you to ogle at. We're more than just eye candy you know!


    Oh, I know, especially if said eye candy is also a tech geek. That there's actual partner material, that is!
  • A Gould 2009-09-24 17:00
    IT Girl:

    .. and yes, he was constantly derided by all the other IT divisions for having all the "girls" on his team.


    To which the correct answer is either:
    (a) "you're just jealous you didn't think of it first"
    or
    (b) "you prefer hanging around men all day?"
    or
    (c) "I just hired for talent. Why - what did you hire for?"
  • Zapp Brannigan 2009-09-24 17:12
    Homer:
    Robb:
    Ned Flanders: Feels like i'm wearing nothing at all!!
    Stupid Flanders!
    Stupid sexy Flanders!
  • JB 2009-09-24 17:12
    I don't know, I think there are plenty of straight men who would have been a little put off the job by the "guy in spandex" comment.

    "Didja ever see a Gladiator movie, Bobby?"
  • Vlad Patryshev 2009-09-24 17:37
    Regarding topic #1. They are idiots. I'd hire this designer immediately.

    Regarding topic #3. There's a dress code at Google. Namely, two rules:
    - don't come naked;
    - don't come wearing just that speedo (this rule applies to only one guy, I'll omit his name).

    And? And it's okay, there are tons of pretty happy females working there; I don't think they are insulted by anything they encounter.
  • Migala 2009-09-24 19:11
    Vlad Patryshev:

    - don't come wearing just that speedo (this rule applies to only one guy, I'll omit his name).


    Is it Dries Roelvink?
    (ok, that's just for the dutch people out there)
  • biggeek 2009-09-24 19:21
    H.R.:

    Rule 2. Especially do not joke to a female candidate. Unlike everywhere else on the planet, when at work, females do not like jokes and they will sue your ass into next fiscal year.

    Rule 3. And whatever you do, never ever joke to a qualified female candidate who is a woman!


    Q: How many women does it take to screw in a light bulb?

    A: That's not funny!
  • s73v3r 2009-09-24 19:34
    Reminds me of the episode of The Simpsons where they went skiing.

    "The spandex ski suit makes me feel like I'm wearing nothing at all."

    "Stupid sexy Flanders!"
  • superani 2009-09-24 20:04
    I would have totally interviewed the dude with the fax. The application posters behind the link are quite nice but there's basically 10 tutorials for each of them on the web... The first one is classy, minimalistic, and creative.

    At least check his portfolio.
  • Xythar 2009-09-24 20:13
    amischiefr:
    As opposed to a female candidate that is a transvestite? Or maybe the man counterpart in a lesbian relationship?


    Arancaytar:

    As opposed to a qualified female candidate who is a man, I suppose.


    Old Man:
    As opposed to the qualified female candidates who are males? :p


    I swear, you guys have managed to turn "not getting the joke" into an art form.
  • anon 2009-09-24 20:27
    You see, there's something called “common courtesy.” It means that even if you don't mind if someone runs around in spandex while smelling like Ugg the Caveman, you understand that other people do. Lacking common courtesy is a splendid reason to be overlooked for promotions and considered for lay-offs, because there surely is someone else out there who will do the same job you do while not acting like a complete asshat.
  • moz 2009-09-24 20:53
    Adriano:
    OldCoder:

    Jeans? You obviously don't live in a climate which includes rain.

    If you get rain while cycling, you're fucked anyway. Or are you going to tell us that spandex is so much better than denim to hold out water?

    You're not fucked, just wet. And, while wet lycra still stretches as you move your legs, wet denim continues to slide instead. Only now it's that bit heavier and that much rougher on what's left of the skin underneath.

    Waterproof overtrousers are also good, though.
  • Shinobu 2009-09-24 20:56
    Brady kelly:
    WYF
    What ye fuck? You might as well go all the way and say Ye Olde What Ye Fucke.
  • stu 2009-09-25 00:33
    Was Jonathan Wakuda Fischer applying for the bass in a Beatle band?

    Perhaps he should ask the covers of his records be done by Krista Gregg... she's a Grahiic Designer after all! Maybe her number is on Google Earth, too.
  • Kam 2009-09-25 01:47
    Whaddya know? The banner ads for the "moose knuckle" definition feature brand new pictures of Irish Girl...

    Was she wearing a full-body spandex suit? If not, that's the real wtf.
  • Severity One 2009-09-25 02:51
    Roland Studer:
    The person who faxed this, really stood out. If this were the cover of a well designed portfolio, the applicant might be a genius…

    But the fact that he faxed it upside down took a bit away from the shine.
  • db 2009-09-25 03:05
    DrJDX:
    If you ask me, she's just a wee-bit hypersensitive


    Maybe not, it could be the "if they are telling me this what aren't they telling me" situation, or there could be a lot more to the story. I've had a couple of interviews where I had misgivings about the job that turned out to be justified.
  • Zagyg 2009-09-25 03:21
    SenTree:
    Anon:
    My thoughts too. Some of them are very clever and pretty, but if I can't even figure out where I'm suppose to start, then it kind of fails.
    Took me a moment to realise you weren't commenting on the female candidate thread !

    WIN!
  • RobFreundlich 2009-09-25 07:58
    mace:

    I thought part of practical graphic design was being able to communicate information efficiently. Most of these people managed to prove that they're terrible at it before they even set for in the building.


    I've been writing software for 20 years, with the last 10 spent doing User Interface. Most (but not all) designers I've met and worked with in that time are more concerned with the appearance of something than its function or how well it communicates its information.

    I recall the designer (at a company the whole web was "abuzz" about for a while) creating business cards for us that were yellow text on a white background. He thought it was the coolest thing in the world, and wasn't terribly concerned that it was impossible to read.

    Then there were the designers at the company (well, evil overlords, if you want to be "semantic"ly correct) that one of my startups was acquired by. They felt that all browser-based applications should have identical layouts (right down to the labels on the high-level tabs) whether or not the layout fit the application's purpose or the labels were actually relevant.
  • Forsaken 2009-09-25 08:01
    IT Girl:

    .. and yes, he was constantly derided by all the other IT divisions for having all the "girls" on his team.


    As someone who works in a callcenter where 90% of the employees are female, I get to *brag* about all the girls on my team.

    /me fails to see the issue ;-)
  • Edward Royce 2009-09-25 08:31
    Hmmmm.

    And if you think working with men wearing full body spandex is odd wait until we get to the 5pm spankings.
  • foo 2009-09-25 08:54
    Don't know about spandex, but when I was doing a round-commute of 30 miles at an average of 20mph, I certainly found that I did need to wear appropriate clothing - lycra cycling shorts or leggings, depending on the season - for comfort, speed, and to prevent injuries (wrong clothes affect how the muscles warm up in cold weather).
    What I wore on the top was less critical, but it did affect my speed if I wore a t-shirt. I was cycling through british weather, so everything from 30C summer to -5 winter (yes, cycled through rain, hail, snow, ice).

    Appropriate clothing breathes well, is padded in the right places, doesn't flap in the wind, rub, or chafe, and the tops unzip to allow more air in once you've warmed up. It's also much nicer in rain.

    We (those who know what we're doing on a bike) are also ashamed of you, when you ride with no lights at night, wobbling all over the road, jumping traffic lights, and almost hit old ladies on the pavement. You are to cycling what Paula Bean is to coding.

    </rant>
  • RogerWilco 2009-09-25 09:44
    As to hiring women or men, of the four places I've worked, I think three would hire a woman over a man if they are equally qualified, one has affirmative action policies stating this.

    As to cycling clothing.
    I've done 15km every day for 8 years in Dutch weather (similar to British). It's perfectly doable in jeans/t-shirt like clothing most of the days, if you change daily and don't bike to fast. More or higher speeds needs showering and a clothes change after arrival.
    Biking specific clothing I mostly use on holidays, when I ride up to 150km a day, then it really helps to prevent chaffing.
    In the rain you need good gear to stay dry and even then your clothing might get damp so it's better to then either take the car or public transport, or change at the destination.
  • J 2009-09-25 10:40
    Yeah, from the sounds of it, I'm guessing those in the interview were giddy and foaming at the mouth due not only to the fact they might have a female work in the office with them but that they were even talking to one.
  • Drew 2009-09-25 11:19
    MrsPost:

    Women in IT need to have a sense of humor and a LOT of self-confidence.


    Is it sad that apparently men can make it in IT without a sense of humor or self-confidence? I think so.

    Self-Confidences comes in two flavours and everyone should be able to own up to one or the other. Either you have achieved something or you're in the process of achieving something. Either one should give you self-confidence.

    Captcha: Vindico. When you need your revenge served cold, call Vindico.



  • NBY 2009-09-25 15:41
    I can't believe you didn't like my faxed resume. Do you know how long it took me to create a minimalist font that looked that randomly drawn?
  • Ingrid 2009-09-26 09:48
    <br />The main gist of the comments is maintaining that the RULE is that a CV must be plain and functional and that even designers should know their place and leave the creativity in their portfolio. <br /><br />Well Thomas Rot. It's a different world and different rules apply. You send in a plain CV? You don't get an interview. Those CVs are fantastic devices for showing a Creative Director just exactly where you're at with your skills and how far you dare to fly creatively. It will also reveal how weak you are in particular situations.<br /><br /><a href="http://netdna.webdesignerdepot.com/uploads/resumes/19.jpg">This one would have got dumped in the bin</a> for the god-awful typography and saved us both a wasted interview. <a href="http://th02.deviantart.net/fs20/300W/f/2007/276/9/9/996d4d4d6ceea2f6.jpg">Actually this one would go in the bin too</a> - clearly doesn't understand the basic difference between display text and body copy. <br /><br />I think might be somewhat <a href="http://netdna.webdesignerdepot.com/uploads/resumes/16.jpg ">disturbed by the use of weaponry in this one</a> :(<br /><br />If I'd been hiring for someone skilled with graphs (which take forever and always break the budget. Seriously - wanna waste money? Include a graph and then have the client mess it about.) I'd have hired <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/7855449@N02/3258568672/sizes/o/">this chap</a> on the spot. I don't even need to read <a href="http://netdna.webdesignerdepot.com/uploads/resumes/10.jpg">this one</a> to understand that a main skill is package design although in the interview I'd be checking for a little more originality to go with the immaculate execution. <br /><br />So no, these would not get chucked in the bin because they were too fancy, only through lack of merit. They'd be a delight to receive and make the job of hiring a designer much easier. Some of these CVs show too much info, some not nearly enough. Some of them crowd out the info with the design and some are too restrained. A CV for a designer is a tight brief, if they can <a href="http://netdna.webdesignerdepot.com/uploads/resumes/22.jpg">strike a balance</a>, they're a good way along to getting an interview. <br /><br /><br />
  • Ingrid 2009-09-26 09:49
    Sorry for the html mess.
  • stu 2009-09-26 15:05
    Translation of the above:

    Ingrid:
    The main gist of the comments is maintaining that the RULE is that a CV must be plain and functional and that even designers should know their place and leave the creativity in their portfolio.

    Well Thomas Rot. It's a different world and different rules apply. You send in a plain CV? You don't get an interview. Those CVs are fantastic devices for showing a Creative Director just exactly where you're at with your skills and how far you dare to fly creatively. It will also reveal how weak you are in particular situations.

    This one would have got dumped in the bin for the god-awful typography and saved us both a wasted interview. Actually this one would go in the bin too - clearly doesn't understand the basic difference between display text and body copy.

    I think might be somewhat disturbed by the use of weaponry in this one :(

    If I'd been hiring for someone skilled with graphs (which take forever and always break the budget. Seriously - wanna waste money? Include a graph and then have the client mess it about.) I'd have hired this chap on the spot. I don't even need to read this one to understand that a main skill is package design although in the interview I'd be checking for a little more originality to go with the immaculate execution.

    So no, these would not get chucked in the bin because they were too fancy, only through lack of merit. They'd be a delight to receive and make the job of hiring a designer much easier. Some of these CVs show too much info, some not nearly enough. Some of them crowd out the info with the design and some are too restrained. A CV for a designer is a tight brief, if they can strike a balance, they're a good way along to getting an interview.
  • katastrofa 2009-09-27 14:38
    Steve H:
    Being female, she was pretty much guaranteed a job offer as soon as she sent in her résumé


    That's pretty much the Real WTF right there, not least because it's true.


    Gender balance in the office is something I consider valuable.
  • Dave 2009-09-27 17:10
    The Designer's Cover Letter is bogus.
    Story says that it was the cover letter for a résumé, but the fax says p.1/1.
  • Kiss me I'm Polish 2009-09-28 03:30
    katastrofa:
    Steve H:
    Being female, she was pretty much guaranteed a job offer as soon as she sent in her résumé


    That's pretty much the Real WTF right there, not least because it's true.


    Gender balance in the office is something I consider valuable.

    For what reason?
  • Reader 2009-09-28 05:41
    For the 6 pm gangbang?
  • Anonymous 2009-09-28 06:20
    I am calling BS on the spandex story. Girls in IT, no such thing, we've covered this a million times before.
  • Emphyrio 2009-09-28 09:55
    The faxed cover letter actually reveals some expertise with lettering. The designer used a square-tip marker or pen. Several of the letters are beautifully formed -- the capital D and G, and the lowercase g in "applying" in particular.
  • illum 2009-09-28 11:37
    Pawel23:
    I especially like this one from the resumes:
    http://livelyarsenic.deviantart.com/art/architecture-resume-97693668
    Yep, it is printed and shoot on a wooden table. Priceless. :)

    Should be. Considering it doesn't actually exist.
  • quibus 2009-09-28 11:53
    biggeek:
    Q: How many women does it take to screw in a light bulb?

    A: How many can you fit there?
  • jay 2009-09-28 12:48
    'While she was in the interview, one of the interviewers casually joked, "so, how do you feel about working with men wearing full-body spandex suits?"'

    Maybe she thought you meant that she would be required to wear the body suit. This is where careful phrasing becomes important.
  • ogilmor 2009-09-28 17:59
    I know this sounds really dudley-doright corporate drone, but interviewers really shouldn't make "jokes" like that because it could be taken as harassment. If it got back to HR what was said she could prolly get $50K without ever starting the job...LOL
  • ogilmor 2009-09-28 18:01
    Bicycle Pirate:
    Arrrr, why do those douchenozzles have to wear sponsor-laden spandex while riding their bicycle to work? I am ashamed to be a bicyclist when packs of them ride by. Nobody is sponsoring them either! Seriously, normal shorts or jeans and a t-shirt work just as well. Even if you're cycling 50+ miles you don't need spandex or any of that junk.


    I agree spandex is the invention of Satan -- especially on the geriatrics who seem to have an odd affinity for it. But I've found that biking shorts (with padding) and underwear, and the jerseys tend to reduce rubbing and wick away sweat better than cotton clothing.
  • ogilmor 2009-09-28 18:13
    action roommate:
    When it came to hiring a new developer, we found that rarest of gems: a qualified female candidate.


    Did anyone else do a double-take at this phrase?

    "Wow, would you believe we someone with a vagina who can program! I know! I thought they weren't allowed to leave the kitchen!"

    Dude, even if it's true it's a tasteless thing to say.


    Obviously not true, but it seems like IT departments, depending on the specialty, are still about 75% male. Seems like there's more maleness in the aresas of sysadmin and programming, where "webbie" stuff and databases have slightly more female representation.

    What do you all think? True, and if so why?
  • ogilmor 2009-09-28 18:19
    foo:

    We (those who know what we're doing on a bike) are also ashamed of you, when you ride with no lights at night, wobbling all over the road, jumping traffic lights, and almost hit old ladies on the pavement. You are to cycling what Paula Bean is to coding.

    </rant>


    Brillant! LOL....
  • Jay 2009-09-29 12:21
    ogilmor:
    action roommate:
    When it came to hiring a new developer, we found that rarest of gems: a qualified female candidate.


    Did anyone else do a double-take at this phrase?

    "Wow, would you believe we someone with a vagina who can program! I know! I thought they weren't allowed to leave the kitchen!"

    Dude, even if it's true it's a tasteless thing to say.


    Obviously not true, but it seems like IT departments, depending on the specialty, are still about 75% male. Seems like there's more maleness in the aresas of sysadmin and programming, where "webbie" stuff and databases have slightly more female representation.

    What do you all think? True, and if so why?


    I don't doubt that it is true that many people will find the statement offensive. But I nevertheless find it bizarre that stating a fact which is easily proven to be true is considered offensive. Surely there are plenty of statistics that indicate that relatively few women are programmers. We could debate why this is so, but why is it offensive to state the fact?
  • Anonymous 2009-09-29 12:29
    ogilmor:
    action roommate:
    When it came to hiring a new developer, we found that rarest of gems: a qualified female candidate.


    Did anyone else do a double-take at this phrase?

    "Wow, would you believe we someone with a vagina who can program! I know! I thought they weren't allowed to leave the kitchen!"

    Dude, even if it's true it's a tasteless thing to say.


    Obviously not true, but it seems like IT departments, depending on the specialty, are still about 75% male. Seems like there's more maleness in the aresas of sysadmin and programming, where "webbie" stuff and databases have slightly more female representation.

    What do you all think? True, and if so why?
    I've worked in the safety critical industry all my life, coding to the very highest standards for military and aerospace applications. I can honestly say that I have NEVER worked with a female software developer - not ever. Don't get me wrong, I fully assume that they exist, but from my experience they don't tend to work on the cutting edge of software development. On the other hand, I have known plenty of female testers, if that tells you anything.
  • Antiquercus 2009-09-30 04:13
    Lycra or spandex is practical cycle wear.

    It's the stupid sponsorship crap that gives me the irits.

    Oh look, it looks like I'm being sponsered by GlobalFirm.



    (For short rides, T-shirts and loose shorts are good enough.)
  • Arancaytar 2009-09-30 07:29
    I just got a disturbing message on IRC that reminded me of this article:


    <somebody> hi can you do a successfull website for me i pay the money


    Sure...
  • Roberty Burlow 2009-10-07 09:42
    I think a computer programmer can show off on their cover letter too... One time a clever friend of mine applied at a big company as a java programmer. His cover letter was like a java console, white letter on black background, full of variables, etc.... Of course he never got the job.

    Roberty Burlow
    <a href="http://www.dimensionsguide.com">Gallbladder Dimensions</a>
  • Roberty Burlow 2009-10-07 09:45
    I think a computer programmer can show off on their cover letter too... One time a clever friend of mine applied at a big company as a java programmer. His cover letter was like a java console, white letter on black background, full of variables, etc.... Of course he never got the job.

    Roberty Burlow
    Gallbladder Dimensions

    PS: I'll try an intimidating cover letter :D
  • Andrea 2009-12-08 07:28
    Steve H:
    Being female, she was pretty much guaranteed a job offer as soon as she sent in her résumé


    That's pretty much the Real WTF right there, not least because it's true.


    Seconded. I've never been "guaranteed" a software engineering job due to my gender. I get them because I'm qualified and interview well.
  • Andrea 2009-12-08 07:30
    Anonymous:
    I've worked in the safety critical industry all my life, coding to the very highest standards for military and aerospace applications. I can honestly say that I have NEVER worked with a female software developer - not ever. Don't get me wrong, I fully assume that they exist, but from my experience they don't tend to work on the cutting edge of software development. On the other hand, I have known plenty of female testers, if that tells you anything.


    Hi! I'm a female software engineer. I've worked for the military as well as the insurance, financial, biotech, and health industries as well as various software companies. And I do indeed work in the "cutting edge" of software development.

    I guess I'm a purple unicorn. :)
  • Andrea 2009-12-08 07:32
    Jay:
    I don't doubt that it is true that many people will find the statement offensive. But I nevertheless find it bizarre that stating a fact which is easily proven to be true is considered offensive. Surely there are plenty of statistics that indicate that relatively few women are programmers. We could debate why this is so, but why is it offensive to state the fact?


    It's true. I'm usually the only one on any development/engineering team. I wouldn't find it offensive to state. I find it more offensive when women are treated differently not due to qualifications but due to gender.
  • Andrea 2009-12-08 07:33
    Anonymous:
    I am calling BS on the spandex story. Girls in IT, no such thing, we've covered this a million times before.


    You're a funny guy! Yeah, we exist.
  • Andrea 2009-12-08 07:35
    nerdy girl:
    Seriously, though, I think my response would be that it depends on the man. If the guy is really dedicated enough to cycling to justify that bodysuit, I'd say it would be more a benefit than a deterrent. Also, don't tell anyone I told you, but yes, some of us females find fresh man-sweat to be enticing, too. At least, those of us who haven't been socialized out of every single biological response by the unrealistic depictions in entertainment and the media.


    I work with two other guys who sometimes bike to work (and I do so sometimes myself). Both change when they get here and head to the gym to shower. We also have strict dress codes, so spandex wouldn't be acceptable. ;)
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    "A rare gem"??? You obviously haven't worked in the field very much/for very long if you have not come across many first class female developers! Or maybe you are in an Amish development house?
  • RealCyclist 2010-05-27 12:53
    You must be fudging kidding me! This shows a complete lack of knowledge about cycling, have you ever tried cycling with soaking wet denim jeans vs wet lycra? Hell vs bliss in comparison.
  • RealCyclist 2010-05-27 12:55
    Adriano:
    OldCoder:

    Jeans? You obviously don't live in a climate which includes rain.

    If you get rain while cycling, you're fucked anyway. Or are you going to tell us that spandex is so much better than denim to hold out water?
    meh, previous comment missed this out...

    captcha: minim, that was a real minimum comment before..
  • Prism 2011-07-11 09:06
    action roommate:
    When it came to hiring a new developer, we found that rarest of gems: a qualified female candidate.


    Did anyone else do a double-take at this phrase?

    "Wow, would you believe we someone with a vagina who can program! I know! I thought they weren't allowed to leave the kitchen!"

    Dude, even if it's true it's a tasteless thing to say.


    I dunno, either we can speak candidly in this world or we can close our eyes, suck our thumbs and hope it goes away.

    More and more I find the latter to be a pathetic state of affairs for the human race. Regression.
  • greg 2012-04-06 00:13
    you mad bro?
  • John 2013-06-27 05:44
    Junkie:
    Being a heavily male-dominated office (like most in the IT world), he could get away with this.
    Before drinking coffee, I thought you meant the office was dominated by heavy males. Heavy men on bicycles is one thing, but heavy men in spandex was...

    It took a few more reads to erase the tape.


    Don't worry, I've got you covered.