The Exemption Pass

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  • nobis 2008-06-23 09:10
    whew, reading that took me out of breath! grammar people grammar!!

    I don't know, but for them I seems to have been reading way too many run on sentences. Or other things that might have maybe been shortened to the point, rather than go on and on about the same thing ending with a period.
  • Gieron 2008-06-23 09:12
    Filed under robotic administrators. Together with Stupid Secretary WTF.
  • Bill 2008-06-23 09:16
    The real WTF is?

    1). High school kids on jury duty.
    2). A bald woman with curly hair.
    3). Being white means you shouldn't be perceived as aggressive.
    4). All of the above.
  • Merlin 2008-06-23 09:16
    I don't like this kind of "combined WTF". Since the first part describes the brilliant IT-Security of the school, the second part is all about the Exemption lady, is it? I mean, both are worth mentioning, but this kind of double-feature doesn't read well.
  • Rift 2008-06-23 09:19
    Obviously this kid used his pass to get out of his Storytelling final exam.

  • NiceWTF 2008-06-23 09:29
    Of course, this fails to explain how it is even possible to give a final in, say, Vocal Music.


    Uhm, pray tell what exactly is so hard about giving a final exam in Vocal Music?
  • John Thomas 2008-06-23 09:29
    makes sense to me they want to make sure the student has actually retained the information prior to being passed to the next grade. Perfectly logical.

    JT
    http://www.Ultimate-Anonymity.com
  • sugarfree 2008-06-23 09:32
    "She was bald ... with curly graying hair"

    uh...what?

  • ScooterG 2008-06-23 09:39
    Obviously the author was getting an exemption out of English Composition.
  • Masseyis 2008-06-23 09:39
    nobis:
    whew, reading that took me out of breath! grammar people grammar!!

    I don't know, but for them I seems to have been reading way too many run on sentences. Or other things that might have maybe been shortened to the point, rather than go on and on about the same thing ending with a period.


    I hope this comment is brilliantly ironic. Be usings gooder grammar at the futures.
  • Mange 2008-06-23 09:39

    Bald... with gray hair.
  • Spudnick 2008-06-23 09:40
    The opening statements sound remarkably like Cobb County in Georgia. We had the same silly finals limitation, and our old grading system was remarkably similar, and was hacked in a remarkably similar way, back in 2001.
  • akatherder 2008-06-23 09:44
    Spudnick:
    The opening statements sound remarkably like Cobb County in Georgia. We had the same silly finals limitation, and our old grading system was remarkably similar, and was hacked in a remarkably similar way, back in 2001.


    Cobb County, GA? Home of the Big Boss Man!

    I wish I didn't remember that.
  • amischiefr 2008-06-23 09:47
    You actually remember high school? I remember going to one, but I sure as hell didn't know anything about the schools computer security system, more or less the damn database they stored things in.

    What ever happened to getting laid in high school? Maybe smoking a little something something? Pizza toppings anyone?

    The real WTF is that this kid was more worried about the schools computers than the cheerleaders!!
  • Sharp Observer who understand English better than You (yes You) 2008-06-23 09:51

    You said "Bald... with gray hair".
    You are wrong.
    The photo shows a man who is NOT bald, merely BALDING.

  • Sharper Observer 2008-06-23 09:54

    You are both wrong.
    The correct spelling is GREY.
    GRAY is a common American misspelling, not English.
  • Spudnick 2008-06-23 09:57
    "Grey" and "gray" are both legal. The prior is more common in England, while the latter is more common in the US.
  • AT 2008-06-23 09:58
    nobis:
    whew, reading that took me out of breath! grammar people grammar!!


    So your education included grammar but not silent reading?
  • jspenguin 2008-06-23 09:58
    SAVE FERRIS!
  • Mange 2008-06-23 09:59
    Sharp Observer who understand English better than You (yes You):

    You said "Bald... with gray hair".
    You are wrong.
    The photo shows a man who is NOT bald, merely BALDING.



    Oh, okay. Then I have learned something new. I wish you could have left it at that...

    "Sharp Observer who understand English better than You (yes You)"... Asshole! I'd like to see you talk in different languages often and never make any small mistakes here and there.

    And if someone can come up with the idea to read the original submission, you'll see that he meant "had a bald spot". Maybe you should be a jerk to him to, Sharp Observer who understand English better than You (yes You).
  • Devil's Advocate 2008-06-23 09:59
    I'd bet that the poster is American and not English, making his spelling "gray" the proper one.
  • bobday 2008-06-23 09:59
  • Devil's Advocate 2008-06-23 10:01
    More people than you think. Some of us actually like to be perceived as educated.
  • Markp 2008-06-23 10:03
    Sharp Observer who understand English better than You (yes You):

    You said "Bald... with gray hair".
    You are wrong.
    The photo shows a man who is NOT bald, merely BALDING.



    Bald:

    Merriam-Webster: 1 a: lacking a natural or usual covering (as of hair, vegetation, or nap)

    Oxford: 1 having a scalp with very little or no hair.

    WordNet: lacking hair on all or most of the scalp

    Do your research before trying to get cute.
  • J 2008-06-23 10:04
    Bill:
    The real WTF is?
    3). Being white means you shouldn't be perceived as aggressive.


    Forget the hair issue, let's hear the kid explain this one.
  • compaqdrew 2008-06-23 10:06
  • Loren Pechtel 2008-06-23 10:11
    Bill:
    The real WTF is?

    1). High school kids on jury duty.


    It could happen. You can have 18 year olds still in high school.
  • Bart 2008-06-23 10:12
    Possibly the longest and most boring story I've ever read here. Zzzzzz.
  • dzx 2008-06-23 10:18
    TRWTF is that I hovered over this image to try and read the alt text :(
  • Bobble 2008-06-23 10:29
    "She was bald and overweight, with curly graying hair"

    You all have missed the obvious. She wasn't wearing any pants.
  • mace 2008-06-23 10:29
    One of the 'hacker' students must have noticed this on ettercap, or something


    Riiiight... Must have been one of them hacker students. I'm sure the OP wouldn't know anything about it.
  • Ren 2008-06-23 10:35
    I saw the 'aggression' thing coming. A friend of mine was in the US a few years back and had (of course) rented a car to get around in. For some reason or another, they get pulled over, and my friend naturally starts stepping out of the car to talk with the officer.

    One officer proceeds to forcibly shut the door, while the other backs up a few steps and pulls out his gun, aiming carefully at my friend.

    But nice of them to keep the office open at 7 PM.
  • FredSaw 2008-06-23 10:35
    nobis:
    whew, reading that took me out of breath! grammar people grammar!!

    I don't know, but for them I seems to have been reading way too many run on sentences. Or other things that might have maybe been shortened to the point, rather than go on and on about the same thing ending with a period.
    Well put, there, nobis. Well put.
  • obediah 2008-06-23 10:35
    One time in my high school, the people didn't understand computers, and an old stupid lady worked there. Where's my internet money?

  • SomeCoder 2008-06-23 10:40
    Ren:
    I saw the 'aggression' thing coming. A friend of mine was in the US a few years back and had (of course) rented a car to get around in. For some reason or another, they get pulled over, and my friend naturally starts stepping out of the car to talk with the officer.

    One officer proceeds to forcibly shut the door, while the other backs up a few steps and pulls out his gun, aiming carefully at my friend.

    But nice of them to keep the office open at 7 PM.


    Well, technically, you're not supposed to get out of the car like that if you are pulled over. Turn on the dome light, put both hands on the steering wheel in a visible position and don't get your license or anything out until they ask for it.

    Learned all that from a friend who just became a cop :)
  • Dave 2008-06-23 10:40
    That's not that uncommmon - in Australia at least it is customary to get out of the car to speak with the officer who pulls you over. Most people would do it without a second thought.
  • Pro-American 2008-06-23 10:47
    Ren:
    I saw the 'aggression' thing coming. A friend of mine was in the US a few years back and had (of course) rented a car to get around in. For some reason or another, they get pulled over, and my friend naturally starts stepping out of the car to talk with the officer.

    One officer proceeds to forcibly shut the door, while the other backs up a few steps and pulls out his gun, aiming carefully at my friend.

    Here in Canada, and most likely in the USA as well, when you get pulled over you're supposed to wait for instructions from the police officers. Generally, they will walk up to your window to talk to you there. Getting out without being instructed to means they have to stop what they're doing (likely looking up your license plate, etc.) and pay attention to what the fuck you think you're doing (which could be stepping out to shoot them, for all they know).
  • Grovesy 2008-06-23 10:53
    Dave:
    That's not that uncommmon - in Australia at least it is customary to get out of the car to speak with the officer who pulls you over. Most people would do it without a second thought.


    Same here in the UK, though a friend found that in the US getting out of the car can aggravate the situation somewhat.
  • resa 2008-06-23 10:55
    nobis:
    I don't know, but for them I seems to have been reading way too many run on sentences.


    What?

    As per the original WTF...I hate stupid people.
  • teh_n1gz 2008-06-23 10:55
    I think i just threw up a little in my mouth
  • NaN 2008-06-23 10:57
    Pro-American:
    Ren:
    I saw the 'aggression' thing coming. A friend of mine was in the US a few years back and had (of course) rented a car to get around in. For some reason or another, they get pulled over, and my friend naturally starts stepping out of the car to talk with the officer.

    One officer proceeds to forcibly shut the door, while the other backs up a few steps and pulls out his gun, aiming carefully at my friend.

    Here in Canada, and most likely in the USA as well, when you get pulled over you're supposed to wait for instructions from the police officers. Generally, they will walk up to your window to talk to you there. Getting out without being instructed to means they have to stop what they're doing (likely looking up your license plate, etc.) and pay attention to what the fuck you think you're doing (which could be stepping out to shoot them, for all they know).


    We have a thing called "being polite" here, coupled with the fact that our whole country has as many shootings in a year as New York does in a day, it is customary to get out of the car and talk to the law.
  • Pro-American 2008-06-23 11:04
    I'm Canadian, so your whole 'American gun stereotype' thing is m00t with me.

    As a programmer (assuming you are one), what do you think the logical thing to do would be if you were the police officer? Trust that the person you've just pulled over will be respectful of you and do what you tell them or assume that the person you've just pulled over is a free spirit that may have a broken conscience and a loaded gun and a strong dislike for jail?

    If I were a cop, I would pull my gun on EVERYBODY until I had them secured at the back of the car in handcuffs. Then I would discuss their broken taillight. You can't be too careful and police officers shouldn't be forced to risk their lives unnecessarily for your wrongdoings.
  • JohnFx 2008-06-23 11:09
    sugarfree:
    "She was bald ... with curly graying hair"

    uh...what?



    Perhaps the curly hair wasn't on her scalp. Maybe he *DID* get too aggressive.
  • snoofle 2008-06-23 11:15
    Darwin was rigth - the weak and the stupid need to be culled from the herd!

    W.R.T. getting out to talk to cops: I've lived in NY/NJ most of my life; cops would prefer that you stay in the car with your hands visible so they know they're not about to be assaulted.
  • Shill 2008-06-23 11:18
    It has nothing to do with being polite and everything to do with behaving in a customary manner. Getting out of the car is unexpected in North America and will be dealt with cautiously by the police officers. I'm sure that staying in the car in a country where the custom is to get out of the car would earn suspicion as well. Neither is better nor worse just different.

    As to Ren, I am sorry that these cultural differences resulted in a bad experience for your friend. I trust that everything worked out well in the end.
  • real_aardvark 2008-06-23 11:21
    Markp:
    Sharp Observer who understand English better than You (yes You):

    You said "Bald... with gray hair".
    You are wrong.
    The photo shows a man who is NOT bald, merely BALDING.



    Bald:

    Merriam-Webster: 1 a: lacking a natural or usual covering (as of hair, vegetation, or nap)

    Oxford: 1 having a scalp with very little or no hair.

    WordNet: lacking hair on all or most of the scalp

    Do your research before trying to get cute.
    Wrong research.
    This is the correct research.

    In unrelated news, "I waited in line for a few hours and finally got in to see The Exemption Lady. She was bald and overweight, with curly graying hair."

    Oh dear -- I appear to be The Exemption Lady.

    I'd always wanted to be The Church Lady, but apparently Jon Lovitz beat me to it.
  • TRWTFisBill 2008-06-23 11:22
    Bill:
    The real WTF is?

    1). High school kids on jury duty.


    I turned 18 my final year. I got called to jury duty that spring. I was actually absent for my Government final because I was still at the courthouse. No, I didn't actually serve (it was a DUI case, no chance they put an 18 year old on the jury) but I did get exempted from the final.

    I guess I don't see the WTF. Do you think that 18 year olds should only be considered adults when they are committing crimes?
  • FredSaw 2008-06-23 11:25
    real_aardvark:
    I'd always wanted to be The Church Lady, but apparently Jon Lovitz beat me to it.
    Could it be... SATAN?
  • Me 2008-06-23 11:26
    TRWTFisBill:
    Bill:
    The real WTF is?

    1). High school kids on jury duty.


    I turned 18 my final year. I got called to jury duty that spring. I was actually absent for my Government final because I was still at the courthouse. No, I didn't actually serve (it was a DUI case, no chance they put an 18 year old on the jury) but I did get exempted from the final.

    I guess I don't see the WTF. Do you think that 18 year olds should only be considered adults when they are committing crimes?


    One less kid on my lawn?

    Sure I do!
  • Code 2008-06-23 11:26
    I call B.S. on this. A school allowing students to get out of final exams? There are no classes where a final exam cannot be given. None. Jury duty? Come on. Some one needs to proof read these stories before putting them up. I thought these were supposed to be true stories? I think the real WTF is this site.
  • ContraCorners 2008-06-23 11:32
    real_aardvark:
    Wrong research.
    This is the correct research.

    In unrelated news, "I waited in line for a few hours and finally got in to see The Exemption Lady. She was bald and overweight, with curly graying hair."

    Oh dear -- I appear to be The Exemption Lady.

    I'd always wanted to be The Church Lady, but apparently Jon Lovitz beat me to it.


    Nope. Dana Carvey
  • Jon 2008-06-23 11:38
    I agree. But a band final? Now that would be hard to give.
  • webhamster 2008-06-23 11:39
    Code:
    I call B.S. on this. A school allowing students to get out of final exams? There are no classes where a final exam cannot be given. None. Jury duty? Come on. Some one needs to proof read these stories before putting them up. I thought these were supposed to be true stories? I think the real WTF is this site.


    At my high school you were able to skip a final if your grade was 70% or higher (at the teacher's discretion). It was called a "recommendation". Now, there were a few board-mandated finals that you couldn't get out of because everybody had to write them no matter what. In Grade 12 I finished the year on the honour roll and out of 8 classes I only had to write a final for 1 class (one of the compulsory exams). If it hadn't been for that compulsory exam I would have finished the year without writing ANY exams.

    A friend of mine even got his Grade 10 french grade bumped up to 70% (and thus avoiding the exam) in exchange for "forgetting" that the teacher owed him $60 from our football pool.

    Addendum (2008-06-23 11:46):
    And as far as jury duty goes, it's certainly possible. Because my high school went up to OAC (a.k.a Grade 13) at the time, I graduated high school just after my 19th birthday. So it is definitely a possibility and is probably in the system just for those rare cases where it may occur. What's the harm in keeping a code for it since it is a possibility?
  • real_aardvark 2008-06-23 11:41
    FredSaw:
    real_aardvark:
    I'd always wanted to be The Church Lady, but apparently Jon Lovitz beat me to it.
    Could it be... SATAN?
    Well, isn't that special?

    (Dances Superior dance)
  • real_aardvark 2008-06-23 11:44
    ContraCorners:
    real_aardvark:
    Wrong research.
    This is the correct research.

    In unrelated news, "I waited in line for a few hours and finally got in to see The Exemption Lady. She was bald and overweight, with curly graying hair."

    Oh dear -- I appear to be The Exemption Lady.

    I'd always wanted to be The Church Lady, but apparently Jon Lovitz beat me to it.


    Nope. Dana Carvey
    Didn't see the Misery parody, did you?

    More research needed.
  • Hatterson 2008-06-23 11:46
    webhamster:
    A friend of mine even got his Grade 10 french grade bumped up to 70% (and thus avoiding the exam) in exchange for "forgetting" that the teacher owed him $60 from our football pool.


    Nothing like a good old fashioned bribe to get out of an exam.
  • jvanderb 2008-06-23 11:46
    You can get more with a gun and a smile than you can with just a smile!
  • SuperousOxide 2008-06-23 11:47
    How does the "Exemption Pass" solve the problem of "Every class must have a final exam"? Since only students with exceptional attendance get exemptions, teachers still have to come up with finals for inappropriate classes, they just don't have to give them to everyone.
  • SuperousOxide 2008-06-23 11:52
    Loren Pechtel:

    It could happen. You can have 18 year olds still in high school.


    But they should be able to get an exemption from Jury Duty for that. I got out of Jury Duty when I was in college by saying I was at school.
  • campkev 2008-06-23 11:57
    SomeCoder:
    Ren:
    I saw the 'aggression' thing coming. A friend of mine was in the US a few years back and had (of course) rented a car to get around in. For some reason or another, they get pulled over, and my friend naturally starts stepping out of the car to talk with the officer.

    One officer proceeds to forcibly shut the door, while the other backs up a few steps and pulls out his gun, aiming carefully at my friend.

    But nice of them to keep the office open at 7 PM.


    Well, technically, you're not supposed to get out of the car like that if you are pulled over. Turn on the dome light, put both hands on the steering wheel in a visible position and don't get your license or anything out until they ask for it.

    Learned all that from a friend who just became a cop :)


    No, CUSTOMARILY, you are not supposed to get out of the car like that. TECHNICALLY, you have every right to. If I know I have done nothing wrong, I get out. If I know I was speeding or otherwise guilty, I go with the customary, as I am more likely to get off with a warning.
  • real_aardvark 2008-06-23 12:02
    campkev:
    SomeCoder:
    Ren:
    I saw the 'aggression' thing coming. A friend of mine was in the US a few years back and had (of course) rented a car to get around in. For some reason or another, they get pulled over, and my friend naturally starts stepping out of the car to talk with the officer.

    One officer proceeds to forcibly shut the door, while the other backs up a few steps and pulls out his gun, aiming carefully at my friend.

    But nice of them to keep the office open at 7 PM.


    Well, technically, you're not supposed to get out of the car like that if you are pulled over. Turn on the dome light, put both hands on the steering wheel in a visible position and don't get your license or anything out until they ask for it.

    Learned all that from a friend who just became a cop :)


    No, CUSTOMARILY, you are not supposed to get out of the car like that. TECHNICALLY, you have every right to. If I know I have done nothing wrong, I get out. If I know I was speeding or otherwise guilty, I go with the customary, as I am more likely to get off with a warning.
    TECHNICALLY, you might get shot.

    CUSTOMARILY, the courts in many states may well accept an officer's word on the apparent threat you TECHNICALLY posed.

    (I'm thinking of a cop in Denver who took six months' enforced leave after killing his first perp, went back on patrol, and three days later took another six months' leave.)

    Feel free to try this one out yourself. Me, I'd rather stay alive. Wind down window, dome light on, and hands on wheel at all times unless otherwise instructed.
  • Matt.C 2008-06-23 12:06
    Code:
    I call B.S. on this. A school allowing students to get out of final exams? There are no classes where a final exam cannot be given. None. Jury duty? Come on. Some one needs to proof read these stories before putting them up. I thought these were supposed to be true stories? I think the real WTF is this site.


    Maybe we could do with a WTF that lets us look at the WLC from 'A Dubious Honor'.
  • tezoatlipoca 2008-06-23 12:07
    akatherder:
    Spudnick:
    The opening statements sound remarkably like Cobb County in Georgia. We had the same silly finals limitation, and our old grading system was remarkably similar, and was hacked in a remarkably similar way, back in 2001.


    Cobb County, GA? Home of the Big Boss Man!

    I wish I didn't remember that.

    Your comment was sufficiently intriguing that I had to
    find out what the hell you were talking about. I want my 5 mins. back!
  • FredSaw 2008-06-23 12:07
    webhamster:
    At my high school you were able to skip a final if your grade was 70% or higher (at the teacher's discretion).
    My college physics professor told the class that we would have five tests throughout the semester, including the final. He would discard the two with the lowest scores and average the other three, and that would be our semester grade. When I received my third 100 on the third test, I approached him after class and made sure I'd understood correctly, and told him I already had three A's.

    "Well, you've got an A for the semester, then," he said, followed by, "I would hope you'd continue to attend the class..."

    Fat chance.
  • jimmy 2008-06-23 12:07
    So, the Exemption Lady was bald with curly graying hair???
    wtf?
  • campkev 2008-06-23 12:15
    real_aardvark:

    Feel free to try this one out yourself. Me, I'd rather stay alive. Wind down window, dome light on, and hands on wheel at all times unless otherwise instructed.


    I have tried this out. I got pulled over. As soon as I stopped, I turned off the engine, got out and leaned/sat on my hood. Cop didn't even mention it.
  • Anon 2008-06-23 12:15
    FredSaw:
    webhamster:
    At my high school you were able to skip a final if your grade was 70% or higher (at the teacher's discretion).
    My college physics professor told the class that we would have five tests throughout the semester, including the final. He would discard the two with the lowest scores and average the other three, and that would be our semester grade. When I received my third 100 on the third test, I approached him after class and made sure I'd understood correctly, and told him I already had three A's.

    "Well, you've got an A for the semester, then," he said, followed by, "I would hope you'd continue to attend the class..."

    Fat chance.


    Well I'm sorry that the teacher inconvenienced you so much by trying to teach you anything. Jackass.
  • Anon 2008-06-23 12:18
    SuperousOxide:
    How does the "Exemption Pass" solve the problem of "Every class must have a final exam"? Since only students with exceptional attendance get exemptions, teachers still have to come up with finals for inappropriate classes, they just don't have to give them to everyone.


    That was my thought too. I was expecting the exemption to be for the class, not for the student.
    Indecently, I don't think it's that hard to come up with a final if the final isn't required to be written.
  • SuperousOxide 2008-06-23 12:18
    FredSaw:

    "Well, you've got an A for the semester, then," he said, followed by, "I would hope you'd continue to attend the class..."

    Fat chance.


    You'd think once people start paying for their classes, they'd realize the grades aren't the most important thing you get out of it. I hope you didn't have any other courses that needed to build on your 3/5 of a physics class.
  • Thunder 2008-06-23 12:18
    Ren:
    I saw the 'aggression' thing coming. A friend of mine was in the US a few years back and had (of course) rented a car to get around in. For some reason or another, they get pulled over, and my friend naturally starts stepping out of the car to talk with the officer.

    Is your friend a complete moron? What is with the idiots who think it is "natural", "normal" or "acceptable" to step out of the car in this situation? For all the cop knows, your idiot friend is about to pull out a piece and start shooting.

    If you want to get out of a ticket, the best way to start is by staying seated, and keeping your hands on the steering wheel where nervous cops can seem them. Don't reach for anything before he gets to your car, and when he asks for license/registration, reach for them slowly and tell them where you're reaching. If you carry, warn them first thing, tell them where the gun is, and offer to provide your permit along with your license [if you live in a place where one is required].

    This presents the added benefit of giving you time to talk while you do these things - which can make all the difference in whether you get a ticket or not. (As long as you don't blabber on like a moron.)

    This is all about putting the officer at ease. Quite reasonably, too - he's doing his job, and has /no/ idea what you might be up to when you step out of the car, move quickly, etc.
  • SeaDrive 2008-06-23 12:22
    This WTF is strong support for the "No School Administrator Left Behind" legislation now before Congress.
  • Anonymous Cow-herd 2008-06-23 12:23
    Grovesy:
    Dave:
    That's not that uncommmon - in Australia at least it is customary to get out of the car to speak with the officer who pulls you over. Most people would do it without a second thought.


    Same here in the UK, though a friend found that in the US getting out of the car can aggravate the situation somewhat.


    Indeed. In fact, in some cases, cops in the UK will get in the car with you and sit in the shotgun seat. Often, they'll ask you to step out of the car and get into the front of the panda for a "chat".
  • jimi 2008-06-23 12:23
    One of the 'hacker' students must have noticed this on ettercap, or something, because it wasn't long before someone opened a telnet session to 172.16.55.55:2500 and sent "DROP TABLE GRADES."

    Sounds like someone knows a little too much...
  • anonny 2008-06-23 12:28
    WTF did the story writer hope to illustrate by mentioning he was "white" when talking about perceived aggression?

    Racialist, IMO.
  • Anon 2008-06-23 12:31
    campkev:
    SomeCoder:
    Ren:
    I saw the 'aggression' thing coming. A friend of mine was in the US a few years back and had (of course) rented a car to get around in. For some reason or another, they get pulled over, and my friend naturally starts stepping out of the car to talk with the officer.

    One officer proceeds to forcibly shut the door, while the other backs up a few steps and pulls out his gun, aiming carefully at my friend.

    But nice of them to keep the office open at 7 PM.


    Well, technically, you're not supposed to get out of the car like that if you are pulled over. Turn on the dome light, put both hands on the steering wheel in a visible position and don't get your license or anything out until they ask for it.

    Learned all that from a friend who just became a cop :)


    No, CUSTOMARILY, you are not supposed to get out of the car like that. TECHNICALLY, you have every right to. If I know I have done nothing wrong, I get out. If I know I was speeding or otherwise guilty, I go with the customary, as I am more likely to get off with a warning.


    This is TRWTF right here.

    "I got pulled over, but I didn't REALLY do anything wrong, I'm going to get out of my car! The cop knows I didn't do anything wrong, he's just pulling me over for the hell of it. He must know I'm not going to come out shooting."

    Stay in your car for the gods' sakes. Is it really that much of a hassle to you to just sit there and let the officer control the situation? If you are in big, crime-filled cities, if you are getting out of your car you better have your hands on your head and moving to kiss the pavement or you risk getting shot. Jesus christ people.
  • h 2008-06-23 12:32
    Idiocracy at its best. Makes me sad, but then again knew the ending all along.
  • Your Mom 2008-06-23 12:32
    SeaDrive:
    This WTF is strong support for the "No School Administrator Left Behind" legislation now before Congress.


    Go soil someone else's tampon, buddy. We don't need you here.
  • Your Mom 2008-06-23 12:32
    SeaDrive:
    This WTF is strong support for the "No School Administrator Left Behind" legislation now before Congress.


    Go soil someone else's tampon, buddy. We don't need you here.
  • Bappi 2008-06-23 12:34
    Thunder:
    If you carry, warn them first thing, tell them where the gun is, and offer to provide your permit along with your license [if you live in a place where one is required].

    I was told that this was a good way to get shot right away. The thing to do, as I was told, is to not mention guns unless specifically asked about them. Telling the cop you have a gun may be perceived as a threat.

    In short, if you're from some other country, DON'T VISIT THE US. Unless you're suicidal.
  • SomeCoder 2008-06-23 12:35
    real_aardvark:
    campkev:
    SomeCoder:
    Ren:
    I saw the 'aggression' thing coming. A friend of mine was in the US a few years back and had (of course) rented a car to get around in. For some reason or another, they get pulled over, and my friend naturally starts stepping out of the car to talk with the officer.

    One officer proceeds to forcibly shut the door, while the other backs up a few steps and pulls out his gun, aiming carefully at my friend.But nice of them to keep the office open at 7 PM.


    Well, technically, you're not supposed to get out of the car like that if you are pulled over. Turn on the dome light, put both hands on the steering wheel in a visible position and don't get your license or anything out until they ask for it.

    Learned all that from a friend who just became a cop :)


    No, CUSTOMARILY, you are not supposed to get out of the car like that. TECHNICALLY, you have every right to. If I know I have done nothing wrong, I get out. If I know I was speeding or otherwise guilty, I go with the customary, as I am more likely to get off with a warning.
    TECHNICALLY, you might get shot.

    CUSTOMARILY, the courts in many states may well accept an officer's word on the apparent threat you TECHNICALLY posed.

    (I'm thinking of a cop in Denver who took six months' enforced leave after killing his first perp, went back on patrol, and three days later took another six months' leave.)

    Feel free to try this one out yourself. Me, I'd rather stay alive. Wind down window, dome light on, and hands on wheel at all times unless otherwise instructed.


    Agreed, you have a MUCH better chance of just getting a warning if you make sure the cop feels at ease.

    As someone who has a close friend as a cop, I really hate how he could be in danger on any call because people are just stupid.

    Stay in the car, and cooperate. You can always fight the ticket in court if you really feel that you were treated unfairly. On the side of the road is the time to do what the cop tells you (within reason of course).

    Reminds me of the lady in Utah who got a ticket for a brown lawn. If she would have cooperated with the cop, she could have easily got the ticket dismissed in court with no attorney fees or anything. Instead, she resisted and ended up falling and hurting herself. Then it makes national news and everyone feels sorry for her.

    Truth is, she did break the law (the law was stupid but that's another story) and she did resist the officer who was just doing his job.
  • campkev 2008-06-23 12:38
    Anon:
    campkev:
    SomeCoder:
    Ren:
    I saw the 'aggression' thing coming. A friend of mine was in the US a few years back and had (of course) rented a car to get around in. For some reason or another, they get pulled over, and my friend naturally starts stepping out of the car to talk with the officer.

    One officer proceeds to forcibly shut the door, while the other backs up a few steps and pulls out his gun, aiming carefully at my friend.

    But nice of them to keep the office open at 7 PM.


    Well, technically, you're not supposed to get out of the car like that if you are pulled over. Turn on the dome light, put both hands on the steering wheel in a visible position and don't get your license or anything out until they ask for it.

    Learned all that from a friend who just became a cop :)


    No, CUSTOMARILY, you are not supposed to get out of the car like that. TECHNICALLY, you have every right to. If I know I have done nothing wrong, I get out. If I know I was speeding or otherwise guilty, I go with the customary, as I am more likely to get off with a warning.


    This is TRWTF right here.

    "I got pulled over, but I didn't REALLY do anything wrong, I'm going to get out of my car! The cop knows I didn't do anything wrong, he's just pulling me over for the hell of it. He must know I'm not going to come out shooting."

    Stay in your car for the gods' sakes. Is it really that much of a hassle to you to just sit there and let the officer control the situation? If you are in big, crime-filled cities, if you are getting out of your car you better have your hands on your head and moving to kiss the pavement or you risk getting shot. Jesus christ people.


    So TRWTF is that I know my rights and choose to use them? Stereotypes aside, every cop out there isn't some megalomaniacal asshole with an itchy trigger finger. Also, how is the cop more in control of the situation when he can't see 90% of my body including my hands than when he can see 100% and know that I'm not holding a gun?
  • Calli Arcale 2008-06-23 12:40
    I had a final in band class. It was on music theory.

    Now, in college the music finals got a lot harder. Fortunately, I was going for a BA. The music majors had to work *hard* to get their grades. I went to St Olaf College, which only offers two degrees: Bachelor of Arts (in several flavors) and Bachelor of Music. A Bachelor of Music from St Olaf is not easy. You *will* have final exams in your music classes, and they will *not* be easy. Even if you're a child prodigy like Mozart, the sheer amount of effort involved will weed out the lazy students.

    Please note, by the way, that final exams can take many different forms. It could be a written exam in a blue book, it could be multiple-choice, it could be a final project (my AP English class in high school gave the option of either doing a written final or a hefty research paper), or, in the case of something like a music class, could be a performance test. Perform several prepared pieces, play or sing specified scales, and sightread a piece of music that you have never seen before. It can be a very challenging and effective test of what the student has learned.
  • Brady Kelly (proudly in Jo'burg) 2008-06-23 12:42
    Bappi:
    Thunder:
    If you carry, warn them first thing, tell them where the gun is, and offer to provide your permit along with your license [if you live in a place where one is required].

    I was told that this was a good way to get shot right away. The thing to do, as I was told, is to not mention guns unless specifically asked about them. Telling the cop you have a gun may be perceived as a threat.

    In short, if you're from some other country, DON'T VISIT THE US. Unless you're suicidal.


    Or just don't drive in the US?
  • WOW 2008-06-23 12:43
    no it cant happen since you get automatic exemption if your still in school.
  • WOW 2008-06-23 12:43
    no it cant happen since you get automatic exemption if your still in school.
  • Pro-American 2008-06-23 12:48
    real_aardvark:
    campkev:
    SomeCoder:
    Ren:
    I saw the 'aggression' thing coming. A friend of mine was in the US a few years back and had (of course) rented a car to get around in. For some reason or another, they get pulled over, and my friend naturally starts stepping out of the car to talk with the officer.

    One officer proceeds to forcibly shut the door, while the other backs up a few steps and pulls out his gun, aiming carefully at my friend.

    But nice of them to keep the office open at 7 PM.


    Well, technically, you're not supposed to get out of the car like that if you are pulled over. Turn on the dome light, put both hands on the steering wheel in a visible position and don't get your license or anything out until they ask for it.

    Learned all that from a friend who just became a cop :)


    No, CUSTOMARILY, you are not supposed to get out of the car like that. TECHNICALLY, you have every right to. If I know I have done nothing wrong, I get out. If I know I was speeding or otherwise guilty, I go with the customary, as I am more likely to get off with a warning.
    TECHNICALLY, you might get shot.

    CUSTOMARILY, the courts in many states may well accept an officer's word on the apparent threat you TECHNICALLY posed.

    (I'm thinking of a cop in Denver who took six months' enforced leave after killing his first perp, went back on patrol, and three days later took another six months' leave.)

    Feel free to try this one out yourself. Me, I'd rather stay alive. Wind down window, dome light on, and hands on wheel at all times unless otherwise instructed.

    Seconded.
  • Erik 2008-06-23 12:52
    Thunder:
    Ren:
    I saw the 'aggression' thing coming. A friend of mine was in the US a few years back and had (of course) rented a car to get around in. For some reason or another, they get pulled over, and my friend naturally starts stepping out of the car to talk with the officer.

    Is your friend a complete moron? What is with the idiots who think it is "natural", "normal" or "acceptable" to step out of the car in this situation? For all the cop knows, your idiot friend is about to pull out a piece and start shooting.


    The customs of your tribe are not, as it turns out, laws of nature. The fact that we now blithely accept the fact that officers of the law will, in situations that totally fail to warrant it, train their weapons on people whom they have no serious reason to fear, should probably clue you into something.
  • Pro-American 2008-06-23 12:54
    anonny:
    WTF did the story writer hope to illustrate by mentioning he was "white" when talking about perceived aggression?

    Racialist, IMO.

    Seconded. Should be edited out, IMO.
  • David Walker 2008-06-23 12:57
    WOW:
    no it cant happen since you get automatic exemption if your still in school.


    You mean "if you're still in school". Nevermind the other three errors in that "sentence".

    Maybe you need to still be in school...
  • Underachiever 2008-06-23 12:59
    WOW:
    no it cant happen since you get automatic exemption if your still in school.


    Not in all states. Some states allow you request an exemption. Some require you to provide some proof that it will cause inconvenience.

    Your "it cant happen" is a lot less convincing since it did actually happen to me. And two of my friends. Getting $40, an excused absence, and 20 points of extra credit to come down to the courthouse for an hour or boredom is pretty enticing.
  • SuperousOxide 2008-06-23 13:02
    campkev:

    So TRWTF is that I know my rights and choose to use them? Stereotypes aside, every cop out there isn't some megalomaniacal asshole with an itchy trigger finger. Also, how is the cop more in control of the situation when he can't see 90% of my body including my hands than when he can see 100% and know that I'm not holding a gun?


    You have the right to get out of the car. But why would you do it? You don't accomplish anything by getting out of the car, and you make the cop nervous. Just stay seated and chill.
  • webhamster 2008-06-23 13:03
    jimmy:
    So, the Exemption Lady was bald with curly graying hair???
    wtf?


    I think it would probably have been more accurate to say "thinning hair".
  • FredSaw 2008-06-23 13:05
    Anon:
    Well I'm sorry that the teacher inconvenienced you so much by trying to teach you anything. Jackass.
    Keep on blabbing about stuff you know nothing about, man. It's okay; you're anonymous.
    SuperousOxide:
    You'd think once people start paying for their classes, they'd realize the grades aren't the most important thing you get out of it. I hope you didn't have any other courses that needed to build on your 3/5 of a physics class.
    Rest easy there, Supe. I knew what I was doing. I was required to take two science classes for the degree, and I had biology already. The class was on astronomy, was unrelated to anything else I was studying, and was a dry, lifeless, verbatim regurgitation of what was in the textbook. Tests determined whether we were able to memorize statistics from (pick one: a) Class notes; b) the textbook) such as the mass of Mars. The time saved from that class was put to much better use as study time for classes that mattered.
  • Pro-American 2008-06-23 13:08
    Anon:
    So TRWTF is that I know my rights and choose to use them? Stereotypes aside, every cop out there isn't some megalomaniacal asshole with an itchy trigger finger. Also, how is the cop more in control of the situation when he can't see 90% of my body including my hands than when he can see 100% and know that I'm not holding a gun?

    During a traffic stop you are required to do what the officer tells you to (within reason). And the cops have EVERY right to pull a gun on you if they suspect you're a threat to them or others. So don't bitch about it when it happens.

    Try to imagine what somebody would have to do to accurately shoot a cop from inside of a car. You would essentially have to turn around, likely duck down a little, etc. This is the kind of thing that would easily stand out for a seasoned cop. They'd get low, call for backup, and before you knew it you'd be swarmed with squad cars.

    Conversely, from outside the vehicle you could easily spray the windshield a few times with nothing to obstruct your aim, get back into your car, and speed away.

    In short, you're generally less of a threat inside the car than you are freely walking around outside the car. As others have said, you have nothing to gain by getting out so just stay seated and await instructions.
  • campkev 2008-06-23 13:10
    SuperousOxide:
    campkev:

    So TRWTF is that I know my rights and choose to use them? Stereotypes aside, every cop out there isn't some megalomaniacal asshole with an itchy trigger finger. Also, how is the cop more in control of the situation when he can't see 90% of my body including my hands than when he can see 100% and know that I'm not holding a gun?


    You have the right to get out of the car. But why would you do it? You don't accomplish anything by getting out of the car, and you make the cop nervous. Just stay seated and chill.


    Why, because my ass hurt from driving in my car all day. Or maybe my legs have a cramp. Or maybe because I just farted and want to get rid of the smell. Or maybe just because it's my RIGHT to do it and I don't need a reason or permission to do it. And maybe because I know that those who don't exercise their rights tend to lose them. I know this goes against "the norm" but I will get out of my car whenever the hell I feel like it. If you choose to live your life like a pansy, cowering in your car until the officer gives you permission to get out, be my guest. It's a free country. For now.
  • Monster 2008-06-23 13:14
    I did the same thing, although my WTF is that he died.
  • Bappi 2008-06-23 13:14
    Brady Kelly (proudly in Jo'burg):
    Bappi:
    I was told that this was a good way to get shot right away. The thing to do, as I was told, is to not mention guns unless specifically asked about them. Telling the cop you have a gun may be perceived as a threat.

    In short, if you're from some other country, DON'T VISIT THE US. Unless you're suicidal.


    Or just don't drive in the US?

    If you're not driving, you must be walking. Anybody who walks in the US is automatically suspect.
  • FredSaw 2008-06-23 13:21
    campkev:
    If you choose to live your life like a pansy, cowering in your car until the officer gives you permission to get out, be my guest. It's a free country. For now.
    Epitaph: "Here lies campkev, who was exercising his rights when he was violently cut down in the prime of his life."
  • SomeCoder 2008-06-23 13:22
    campkev:
    SuperousOxide:
    campkev:

    So TRWTF is that I know my rights and choose to use them? Stereotypes aside, every cop out there isn't some megalomaniacal asshole with an itchy trigger finger. Also, how is the cop more in control of the situation when he can't see 90% of my body including my hands than when he can see 100% and know that I'm not holding a gun?


    You have the right to get out of the car. But why would you do it? You don't accomplish anything by getting out of the car, and you make the cop nervous. Just stay seated and chill.


    Why, because my ass hurt from driving in my car all day. Or maybe my legs have a cramp. Or maybe because I just farted and want to get rid of the smell. Or maybe just because it's my RIGHT to do it and I don't need a reason or permission to do it. And maybe because I know that those who don't exercise their rights tend to lose them. I know this goes against "the norm" but I will get out of my car whenever the hell I feel like it. If you choose to live your life like a pansy, cowering in your car until the officer gives you permission to get out, be my guest. It's a free country. For now.


    By all means, do whatever you want. It's not like everyone is telling you that you absolutely must remain in the car by law.

    However, the best advice is to remain in the car, take the ticket and then assert your rights in a place that we have specifically designed to do so: court in front of a judge.
  • A Person 2008-06-23 13:26
    Meh. If you don't find black people to be more aggressive than whites you've obviously never lived in a large city with a lot of black people. "Racialist"? More like "realistic".
  • K&T 2008-06-23 13:27
    In short, if you're from some other country, DON'T VISIT THE US. Unless you're suicidal.


    Beyond this just being wrong, your previous paragraph is also wrong. For the sake of argument I'm going to assume you're mentioning of a gun isn't similar to the following scenario.

    Cop: get out of the car
    Idiot: No, i have a gun and will shoot you if you make me get out of the car.

    IN that case, you are indeed suicidal but that still won't get shot.

    Virginia is one of a few open carry state. In other words, as long as I'm not in a school zone and whomever owns the property says it's okay, I can openly carry a holstered handgun. Cops approach me all the time about it just to see what's up. While, every once in a while they need to be educated on the state law, i have yet to be shot by the cops.
  • real_aardvark 2008-06-23 13:30
    campkev:
    SuperousOxide:
    campkev:

    So TRWTF is that I know my rights and choose to use them? Stereotypes aside, every cop out there isn't some megalomaniacal asshole with an itchy trigger finger. Also, how is the cop more in control of the situation when he can't see 90% of my body including my hands than when he can see 100% and know that I'm not holding a gun?


    You have the right to get out of the car. But why would you do it? You don't accomplish anything by getting out of the car, and you make the cop nervous. Just stay seated and chill.


    Why, because my ass hurt from driving in my car all day. Or maybe my legs have a cramp. Or maybe because I just farted and want to get rid of the smell. Or maybe just because it's my RIGHT to do it and I don't need a reason or permission to do it. And maybe because I know that those who don't exercise their rights tend to lose them. I know this goes against "the norm" but I will get out of my car whenever the hell I feel like it. If you choose to live your life like a pansy, cowering in your car until the officer gives you permission to get out, be my guest. It's a free country. For now.
    Freedom of speech, free exercise of religion, right to peacably assemble ... and now the right to drive at 60mph with both legs knotted with cramp, the right to act like a dangerous moron and not give your ass a break until the Highway Patrol specifically tells you to do so, and the right to fart in an enclosed space without considering the consequences.

    My, that Constitution thing gets more and more detailed by the day, doesn't it?

    I don't recall it specifically stating that you have the right to act like a gibbering moron, although many would suggest that subsequent interpretations of the Second Amendment take care of that particular fetish.

    Incidentally, you do not have a constitutional right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Those are in the Declaration of Independence; not in the Constitution.

    Once again: dome light on, window wound down, and hands visible on wheel. Rights doen't matter much, pansy or not, when you've had your little pea brain creased by a bullet because you were too self-righteous and stubborn to make life easier for everybody concerned.
  • Dude 2008-06-23 13:32
    This is high school you moron, people don't pay for classes.
  • campkev 2008-06-23 13:35
    Hmm, hasn't happened yet, so I guess I'll keep taking my chances that the police officers I encounter, on the infrequent times I encounter them, are more interested in giving me a ticket and upholding the law than, say, committing murder.
  • goat 2008-06-23 13:43
    campkev:
    Anon:
    campkev:
    SomeCoder:
    Ren:
    I saw the 'aggression' thing coming. A friend of mine was in the US a few years back and had (of course) rented a car to get around in. For some reason or another, they get pulled over, and my friend naturally starts stepping out of the car to talk with the officer.

    One officer proceeds to forcibly shut the door, while the other backs up a few steps and pulls out his gun, aiming carefully at my friend.

    But nice of them to keep the office open at 7 PM.


    Well, technically, you're not supposed to get out of the car like that if you are pulled over. Turn on the dome light, put both hands on the steering wheel in a visible position and don't get your license or anything out until they ask for it.

    Learned all that from a friend who just became a cop :)


    No, CUSTOMARILY, you are not supposed to get out of the car like that. TECHNICALLY, you have every right to. If I know I have done nothing wrong, I get out. If I know I was speeding or otherwise guilty, I go with the customary, as I am more likely to get off with a warning.


    This is TRWTF right here.

    "I got pulled over, but I didn't REALLY do anything wrong, I'm going to get out of my car! The cop knows I didn't do anything wrong, he's just pulling me over for the hell of it. He must know I'm not going to come out shooting."

    Stay in your car for the gods' sakes. Is it really that much of a hassle to you to just sit there and let the officer control the situation? If you are in big, crime-filled cities, if you are getting out of your car you better have your hands on your head and moving to kiss the pavement or you risk getting shot. Jesus christ people.


    So TRWTF is that I know my rights and choose to use them? Stereotypes aside, every cop out there isn't some megalomaniacal asshole with an itchy trigger finger. Also, how is the cop more in control of the situation when he can't see 90% of my body including my hands than when he can see 100% and know that I'm not holding a gun?


    I was told that you stay in the car for your safety. Not so much because the cop might shoot you (though it happens) but because if you get out of your car you might be standing on the road. If you are sitting in your car and get hit there is a greater chance that you will live through it.
  • real_aardvark 2008-06-23 13:43
    A Person:
    Meh. If you don't find black people to be more aggressive than whites you've obviously never lived in a large city with a lot of black people. "Racialist"? More like "realistic".
    And there was I thinking you were going to make some cliched assertion like "you've obviously never played pro football against the New York Giants linebacker quartet of the mid- to late-1980s."

    Shows how much I know, what with me having lived in a large city with a lot of black people for about 90% of my life. But thanks for the tip. I'll keep an eye out.
  • LEGO 2008-06-23 13:46
    FredSaw:
    webhamster:
    At my high school you were able to skip a final if your grade was 70% or higher (at the teacher's discretion).
    My college physics professor told the class that we would have five tests throughout the semester, including the final. He would discard the two with the lowest scores and average the other three, and that would be our semester grade. When I received my third 100 on the third test, I approached him after class and made sure I'd understood correctly, and told him I already had three A's.

    "Well, you've got an A for the semester, then," he said, followed by, "I would hope you'd continue to attend the class..."

    Fat chance.


    College, this would be something you paid for? So you demanded to receive less than your money's worth. And got your wish by skipping the rest of the semester.

    Boy, you really showed them...
  • campkev 2008-06-23 13:48
    Maybe you need to re-read the constitution. Specifically the part about powers not granted to the government. I don't need to have the right specifically granted to me in the Constitution, the Government has to pass a law specifically saying I don't have the right, which they have not seen fit to do in this case. Also, I never act like "a dangerous moron" to police officers. I'm usually very polite to them as I appreciate their hard work and the danger they willingly face in order to preserve a peaceful society. If I think, based on the situation, that it would be inappropriate for me to get out of the car, whether that's because I'm on the highway and it just isn't safe or because it's at night and the officer would not be able to see me well, then I don't. But if I pull into a parking lot in the middle of the day and there's no GOOD reason not to, I will get out and enjoy the sunshine while I wait on the officer to do what they need to do.
  • FredSaw 2008-06-23 13:51
    LEGO:
    College, this would be something you paid for? So you demanded to receive less than your money's worth. And got your wish by skipping the rest of the semester.

    Boy, you really showed them...
    Keep reading on down the thread now, Eggo(n your face).
  • Mel 2008-06-23 13:56
    Not everyone reading or commenting here is in the US. Some people reading and commenting here are in a country where it's reasonable to assume that a cop won't shoot you. Hell, in New Zealand, cops (in general) don't even carry guns! In some countries, there's a thing called respect - which is more prevalent than gun-carrying. I'm glad I can choose to live in one of those countries.

    If I'm stopped by police while I'm driving, I'll get out if I want to - or I might stay in the car (until asked to get out). I'm not in the US. My first thought isn't "He's going to shoot me if I do something wrong".
  • campkev 2008-06-23 14:03
    Mel:
    Not everyone reading or commenting here is in the US. Some people reading and commenting here are in a country where it's reasonable to assume that a cop won't shoot you. Hell, in New Zealand, cops (in general) don't even carry guns! In some countries, there's a thing called respect - which is more prevalent than gun-carrying. I'm glad I can choose to live in one of those countries.

    If I'm stopped by police while I'm driving, I'll get out if I want to - or I might stay in the car (until asked to get out). I'm not in the US. My first thought isn't "He's going to shoot me if I do something wrong".


    I'm in the U.S. and that's not my first thought either. Evidently some people have watched a few too many episodes of "The Shield"
  • Derek 2008-06-23 14:07
    I turned 18 in December my senior year in high school. It could have happened to me. I once got summoned for jury duty my junior year in college, but my home county issuing the summons was 200 miles away. I was excused due to being a college student.
  • glwtta 2008-06-23 14:07
    So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on them. ‘Give me five bees for a quarter,’ you’d say. Now where were we? Oh yeah, the important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn’t have any white onions, because of the war; the only thing you can get was those big yellow ones.


    That whole thing just went nowhere.
  • snoofle 2008-06-23 14:12
    Personally, I've found that if you take a submissive stance, are polite, and say things like 'yes/no officer/sir', it always goes a lot easier on you.

    Where I live, cops randomly do stops/searches of every n-th car on a couple of main streets. If you give them attitude, they'll just hold you for an hour while "verifying" that you don't have any outstanding warrants. If you just politely do what they want, you're back on the road in 3 minutes. Annoying? Yes. Wrong? Yes. But they have badges, guns and licenses to use them, and if you make it hard on them, they WILL make it hard on you.

    If it comes down to it, you can always make your case in front of a judge.
  • Sanity 2008-06-23 14:17
    But this reminds me of Bobby Tables.

    I think that TRWTF is that the "patches" in the form of loading screens apparently worked, and people didn't keep nuking the system, at least.
  • campkev 2008-06-23 14:21
    snoofle:
    Personally, baa baaa baa baaaa.

    Where I live, baa baaa baa baaa.

    If it comes down to it, baa baa baa.


    I'm sorry, what?
  • Dude 2008-06-23 14:21
    Sanity:
    But this reminds me of Bobby Tables.


    When are morons like you going to quit referring to this stupid comic???
  • SomeCoder 2008-06-23 14:23
    glwtta:
    So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on them. ‘Give me five bees for a quarter,’ you’d say. Now where were we? Oh yeah, the important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn’t have any white onions, because of the war; the only thing you can get was those big yellow ones.


    That whole thing just went nowhere.


    Should be featured :)
  • Bappi 2008-06-23 14:25
    Dude:
    Sanity:
    But this reminds me of Bobby Tables.

    When are morons like you going to quit referring to this stupid comic???

    I don't know about morons like him, but morons like me just can't get enough of this comic. How about morons like you?
  • Outlaw Programmer 2008-06-23 14:35
    MasterPlanSoftware must be spinning in his grave but god damn if this new meme isn't funny.
  • D.C. 2008-06-23 14:56
    FredSaw:
    real_aardvark:
    I'd always wanted to be The Church Lady, but apparently Jon Lovitz beat me to it.
    Could it be... SATAN?

    John Lovitz never beat you to it. Dana Carvey did.
  • SagaCiter 2008-06-23 15:02
    I was GOING to post that TRWTF is that the unencrypted conduit to the database executes its SQL (or DDL, in this case) with sufficient authority to DROP TABLE.

    HOWEVER, I couldn't believe my eyes when I saw the CAPTCHA I'd be filling in: "sagaciter"!

    SagaCiter: One with enough time on his hands to read all the way through a really LONG, boring post, and all its (often acrimonious, often inane) associated comments.
  • Dave 2008-06-23 15:08
    And you wonder why the world has this anti-American sentiment in spades at the moment.
  • LEGO 2008-06-23 15:16
    Dude:
    This is high school you moron, people don't pay for classes.


    Not so fast skippy. Just because you are not paying doesn't mean no one is paying.

    In most places High School is paid for by your parents' property taxes, or if you are particularly _special_ your own property taxes.

    -Lego
  • Jay 2008-06-23 15:18
    The thing to do, as I was told, is to not mention guns unless specifically asked about them. Telling the cop you have a gun may be perceived as a threat.


    In some U.S. states, if you are stopped by a policeman for any reason you are required by law to "immediately" tell him if you have a gun. In Ohio, failure to do so, even forgetting to do so for a few minutes, is a felony punishable by five years in prison.

    I'm not sure exactly what good this law does. Presumably a law-abiding person who is carrying a gun because he is on his way to shoot targets at the local sporting club is going to obey the law and tell the policeman. And it makes absolutely no difference because he's no threat. A criminal who is on the run probably isn't going to tell the policeman, "Oh, by the way officer, I have a loaded gun in my pocket and I've just been waiting for the right moment, when you're not paying attention, to pull it out and shoot you."

    I think next we should pass a law requiring that anyone who is planning on committing a crime must call the police station 24 hours in advance and give them notice. That way the police can be ready for them.
  • halber_mensch 2008-06-23 15:22
    Calli Arcale:
    I had a final in band class. It was on music theory.


    Did you get a C in the class or a B#?
  • Jay 2008-06-23 15:25
    Code:
    I call B.S. on this. A school allowing students to get out of final exams? There are no classes where a final exam cannot be given. None. Jury duty? Come on. Some one needs to proof read these stories before putting them up. I thought these were supposed to be true stories? I think the real WTF is this site.


    Here we go again. "This story must be false because I don't believe anyone would do that."

    Because you think all classes should have a final exam, therefore the idea that there might be one school somewhere in the world that does not require final exams for all classes must be a work of fiction. Uh, yeah.

    I've seen some of these accusations of fabrication that essentially say, "Nobody would be stupid enough to do that." That argument is incredibly weak, as it is based on the premise that no human being in history has ever done anything stupid, a premise easily refuted by anyone who has actually observed real live human beings for more than 30 minutes.

    But to say that it is absolutely impossible to suppose that any human being in the entire world might disagree with you about the optimum way to evaluate a student's performance in a class ... just, wow.

    I suppose that claims that there might be political parties in the world that you wouldn't want to join or religions with beliefs that you do not share strike you as unbelievable fantasies.
  • abitslow 2008-06-23 15:46
    Its funny I don't recall Rodney King getting out of his car.
  • Edudbor 2008-06-23 15:59
    Huh - I didn't know exiting my vehicle was illegal. Be afraid cop'ers...I've got a door with power locks and I know how to use it.
  • Dude 2008-06-23 16:00
    LEGO:
    Dude:
    This is high school you moron, people don't pay for classes.


    Not so fast skippy. Just because you are not paying doesn't mean no one is paying.

    Blah, blah, blah...

    -Lego


    Yeah, and your point is?
  • Ilya Ehrenburg 2008-06-23 16:01
    abitslow:
    Its funny I don't recall Rodney King getting out of his car.

    But he was black, and didn't you read above that black people are ipso facto aggressive and threatening?
  • Lady Nocturne 2008-06-23 16:02
    I can't believe we've gotten this far without a single mention of little Bobby Tables...


  • nobis 2008-06-23 16:04
    real_aardvark:
    ... Incidentally, you do not have a constitutional right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Those are in the Declaration of Independence; not in the Constitution. ...
    Common mistake, this rights are protected by US law as they are self-evident and unalienable Rights. Meaning governments have no right to inhibit or deny them without the people having the right to revolt and overthrow said government.


    ------------------------------------------------------

    To everyone else, no I wasn't being a grammar natzi, yes my comment was a joke written in the style of the OP.

    I wrote my comment after I wasn't able to RTFA. My inability originated from the horrible structure of the document. I don't claim, seek, nor desire to have good grammar. I'm able to read bad grammar and speeling ;) until the point I find it impossible or painful to read. That pint my good gentlemen (and lady) is a low mark to reach; for I have the writing ability of a 3rd grader.
  • nobis 2008-06-23 16:07
    Ilya Ehrenburg:
    But he was black, and didn't you read above that black people are ipso facto aggressive and threatening?
    I was able to read that far into the OP. I can in fact tell you sir that I read no such comment about black people.
    (yes I'm assuming you are a sir because your name means "son of Ilya")
  • FredSaw 2008-06-23 16:08
    Lady Nocturne:
    I can't believe we've gotten this far without a single mention of little Bobby Tables...
    But I can believe you would assume that was so without actually checking first.
  • CynicalTyler 2008-06-23 16:12
    She was bald and overweight, with curly graying hair.
    You should've seen the beard on that lady!
  • Worf 2008-06-23 16:12
    webhamster:

    Addendum (2008-06-23 11:46):
    And as far as jury duty goes, it's certainly possible. Because my high school went up to OAC (a.k.a Grade 13) at the time, I graduated high school just after my 19th birthday. So it is definitely a possibility and is probably in the system just for those rare cases where it may occur. What's the harm in keeping a code for it since it is a possibility?


    The fact that being a student is an acceptable reason for disqualifying yourself from Jury Duty? I got called when I was in university. I excluded myself by writing back and showing them my student ID. I didn't have to show up or anything - they just excluded me immediately.

    No harm in having the code, but no harm in making it an excuse for skipping an exam since it's one reason why you can exclude yourself without showing up at the court.
  • Sharper-er Observer-er 2008-06-23 16:13
    if we have to use english spellings, shouldn't i see more wholly unnecessary u's?

    (wholly unnecessary u's omitted for readability)
  • CynicalTyler 2008-06-23 16:15
    Sharper-er Observer-er:
    if we have to use english spellings, shouldn't i see more wholly unnecessary u's?

    (wholly unnecessary u's omitted for readability)
    Unnecessary, you say?! You Sir, have gravely insulted my hounuour!
  • Jay 2008-06-23 16:26
    campkev:
    So TRWTF is that I know my rights and choose to use them?


    I'm very concerned about exercising and defending my rights, too. But just because you have the legal right to do something doesn't make it smart.

    If a cop pulls you over, you do not necessarily know why. It may be for no reason other than a minor traffic violation. Or it may be because someone just fled the scene of a mass murder driving a car that matches the description of yours. In the latter case, the cop might be understandably nervous. What's the point of doing anything to make him more nervous just to assert a trivial "right"?

    I'll save my energy for the fights worth fighting, like the fact that it's now illegal for people not members of certain privileged classes to publicly criticize a candidate for federal office within -- was it 90 days? -- of an election.

  • Ilya Ehrenburg 2008-06-23 16:29
    nobis:
    Ilya Ehrenburg:
    But he was black, and didn't you read above that black people are ipso facto aggressive and threatening?
    I was able to read that far into the OP. I can in fact tell you sir that I read no such comment about black people.
    (yes I'm assuming you are a sir because your name means "son of Ilya")

    I was referring to comment 201877 by A Person on the top of page three of the comments.

    I'm not a Sir, but a plain Mr., the Queen has not yet found any reason to bestow a knighthood upon me. And, FYI, "son of Ilya" would be Ilyich.
  • Johnny Canuck 2008-06-23 16:29
    webhamster:
    Code:
    I call B.S. on this. A school allowing students to get out of final exams?


    At my high school you were able to skip a final if your grade was 70% or higher (at the teacher's discretion). It was called a "recommendation".


    Is webhamster from Canada? Because I'm Canadian and we too had recommendations (or "recommends" for short.) If your mark was high enough going into the final, you didn't have to write the final. As an honour roll student, I wound up writing one (mandatory) English final in my last year. A good friend of mine, who was not a good student, didn't get any recommends. He was the one who pointed out the unfairness inherent. By forcing him to write six exams in two weeks, how could he possibly compete fairly with me in the one exam we both had to write? How could the mark I got in English be compared to the mark he got when the final exam was 40% of the mark, yet I had two weeks to study and he had roughly two days?
  • Atario 2008-06-23 16:38
    Pro-American:
    If I were a cop, I would pull my gun on EVERYBODY until I had them secured at the back of the car in handcuffs. Then I would discuss their broken taillight.
    Too bad you're not a cop. Because that kind of abuse of power would quickly get you locked up, and we'd all be rid of you.
  • AlexG 2008-06-23 16:39
    real_aardvark:

    Incidentally, you do not have a constitutional right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Those are in the Declaration of Independence; not in the Constitution.


    "Rights non-enumerated specifically are NOT excluded from constitutionally protected"
  • Weng 2008-06-23 16:39
    TRWTF is that nobody ran DROP TABLE absences.
  • FredSaw 2008-06-23 16:42
    Johnny Canuck:
    As an honour roll student, I wound up writing one (mandatory) English final in my last year. A good friend of mine, who was not a good student, didn't get any recommends. He was the one who pointed out the unfairness inherent.
    I fail to see inherent unfairness. At the beginning of the class, did you two stand the same chance of succeeding? Does he work nights and fall asleep in class, while you spend your evenings studying? Is he taking care of an invalid mother while yours takes care of you?

    If not, then I don't see it. He had the same opportunity you did.
  • Criminal 2008-06-23 17:11
    Jay:
    The thing to do, as I was told, is to not mention guns unless specifically asked about them. Telling the cop you have a gun may be perceived as a threat.


    In some U.S. states, if you are stopped by a policeman for any reason you are required by law to "immediately" tell him if you have a gun. In Ohio, failure to do so, even forgetting to do so for a few minutes, is a felony punishable by five years in prison.

    I'm not sure exactly what good this law does. Presumably a law-abiding person who is carrying a gun because he is on his way to shoot targets at the local sporting club is going to obey the law and tell the policeman. And it makes absolutely no difference because he's no threat. A criminal who is on the run probably isn't going to tell the policeman, "Oh, by the way officer, I have a loaded gun in my pocket and I've just been waiting for the right moment, when you're not paying attention, to pull it out and shoot you."

    I think next we should pass a law requiring that anyone who is planning on committing a crime must call the police station 24 hours in advance and give them notice. That way the police can be ready for them.


    I suspect the purpose of this and similar farcical laws is to make it easy to pile on charges in addition to any legitimate charge where said gun was actually used.
  • SuperousOxide 2008-06-23 17:13
    webhamster:

    At my high school you were able to skip a final if your grade was 70% or higher (at the teacher's discretion). It was called a "recommendation".


    70%? That low? If I remember at my high school 70 was the cutoff for passing. At best it was a low C. I wouldn't see that as justification for skipping the final exam.

    Most of the time our "Final" was just the test on the last few weeks of the class, maybe with a few extra bits from earlier in the year. Skipping these wouldn't make any sense, we still needed to learn that material.
  • Dude 2008-06-23 17:26
    Atario:
    Too bad you're not a cop. Because that kind of abuse of power would quickly get you locked up, and we'd all be rid of you.

    WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT AN ABUSE OF POWER IS AND ISN'T???

    BTW, we'd rather be rid of you, IDIOT!
  • NutherCanuck 2008-06-23 17:35
    FredSaw:
    Johnny Canuck:
    As an honour roll student, I wound up writing one (mandatory) English final in my last year. A good friend of mine, who was not a good student, didn't get any recommends. He was the one who pointed out the unfairness inherent.
    I fail to see inherent unfairness. At the beginning of the class, did you two stand the same chance of succeeding? Does he work nights and fall asleep in class, while you spend your evenings studying? Is he taking care of an invalid mother while yours takes care of you?

    If not, then I don't see it. He had the same opportunity you did.


    Likewise I fail to see the fairness in a system that lets you skip a final just because you have good grades in class and/or showed up regularly. It'd be better to exclude the bottom 1/2 and tell then that frankly they don't have a hope in hell of doing better, so sod off and stop wasting our time.

    Final exams are also a way of ensuring teachers teach to the same level of competence, and statistical analysis can help administration spot trouble areas / cheating teachers / etc.

    Lazy f'ing teachers is my bet. Wish I could do the same trick with taxes.
  • Franz Kafka 2008-06-23 17:50
    snoofle:
    Personally, I've found that if you take a submissive stance, are polite, and say things like 'yes/no officer/sir', it always goes a lot easier on you.

    Where I live, cops randomly do stops/searches of every n-th car on a couple of main streets. If you give them attitude, they'll just hold you for an hour while "verifying" that you don't have any outstanding warrants. If you just politely do what they want, you're back on the road in 3 minutes. Annoying? Yes. Wrong? Yes. But they have badges, guns and licenses to use them, and if you make it hard on them, they WILL make it hard on you.

    If it comes down to it, you can always make your case in front of a judge.


    You aren't from the US, are you? We have this thing called the 4th amendment, which bans that sort of thing.
  • gunsafety 2008-06-23 17:50
    Wrong. You do not pull out a gun unless you fully intend to shoot it. Period. No matter how many tail lights need fixing. Real life != TV.
  • SomeCoder 2008-06-23 18:00
    The main thing a lot of people seem to be missing about the cop thing is that it's not that the cop is going to mow you down the second you step out of the car. The point is, it's a lot easier on both you and the cop if you just sit in the car.

    If you get out, the cop is going to get into attack mode and even if you are agreeable after that, he's not going to be in the mood to go easy on you.

    If you stay in the car and follow directions, he'll be a lot more lenient on you. At least the possibility is there anyway.
  • nobis 2008-06-23 18:04
    to stop the madness!!

    jeze just post teh codz here and stop everyone from asking for them to be emailed
  • sas 2008-06-23 18:13
    Dave:
    That's not that uncommmon - in Australia at least it is customary to get out of the car to speak with the officer who pulls you over. Most people would do it without a second thought.
    It used to very common in the USA. Before it became a police-state.
  • belial 2008-06-23 18:33
    I'm a kiwi, and as Mel says, the police do not carry, and do not even operate in pairs. If the road/visibility conditions are safe for you to exit your vehicle and great the officer in a polite manner, it is by far the most likely way to avoid a ticket for a minor incident. Although clearly nothings going to avoid a ticket for excessive speed or dangerous behaviour behind a wheel.

    However, if I was driving in America and got pulled over, I'd definately stay the hell where I was (and probably be quite scared), its very easy to forget cultural differences and be misunderstood while travelling (had 5 soldiers with some kind of automatic rifles aimed at me over a simple misunderstanding over a camera at Hong Kong Intl. Airport... that was quite scary).


  • nobis 2008-06-23 18:52
    nobis:
    to stop the madness!!

    jeze just post teh codz here and stop everyone from asking for them to be emailed


    just in case I wasn't clear to "those" type of people:

    By saying "to stop the madness!!" i obviously meant to stop posting nonsense

    Also "jeze just post teh codz here and stop everyone from asking for them to be emailed" mean quit preaching to the blog-o-tubes about how to act when a cop pulls you over.

    Because well... If you read a post on thedailywtf.com about how to act when a cop pulls you over, and you change the way you act when a cop pulls you over. You are already are stupid and most likly need to be shot anyway to save the gene pool.
  • Sheila Joyce Gibbs 2008-06-23 19:02
    I would like to submit my story, on the loss of my best-friend/husband.
    It is approximately 3 pages long, so if you could advise if possible.
    Many thanks.
    Sheila
    sjgibbs@shaw.ca
    ph. no. 250-995-1643
  • EvanED 2008-06-23 19:30
    Erik:
    The fact that we now blithely accept the fact that officers of the law will, in situations that totally fail to warrant it, train their weapons on people whom they have no serious reason to fear, should probably clue you into something.

    Have you looked at death rates of cops? It's not one of the most dangerous jobs, but it is probably more risky than what 90% of what people do. And traffic stops, at least in the US, are one of the most dangerous activities they partake in.
  • Simon 2008-06-23 19:39
    Damn, someone beat me to it :P Its all I could think about when reading the article.
  • Steve 2008-06-23 19:40
    real_aardvark:
    Markp:
    Sharp Observer who understand English better than You (yes You):

    You said "Bald... with gray hair".
    You are wrong.
    The photo shows a man who is NOT bald, merely BALDING.



    Bald:

    Merriam-Webster: 1 a: lacking a natural or usual covering (as of hair, vegetation, or nap)

    Oxford: 1 having a scalp with very little or no hair.

    WordNet: lacking hair on all or most of the scalp

    Do your research before trying to get cute.
    Wrong research.
    This is the correct research.

    In unrelated news, "I waited in line for a few hours and finally got in to see The Exemption Lady. She was bald and overweight, with curly graying hair."

    Oh dear -- I appear to be The Exemption Lady.

    I'd always wanted to be The Church Lady, but apparently Jon Lovitz beat me to it.


    Maybe her pubes??
  • EvanED 2008-06-23 19:42
    Dude:
    Atario:
    Too bad you're not a cop. Because that kind of abuse of power would quickly get you locked up, and we'd all be rid of you.

    WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT AN ABUSE OF POWER IS AND ISN'T???

    BTW, we'd rather be rid of you, IDIOT!

    As someone who agrees with Atario, speak for yourself, not "us".
  • Dude 2008-06-23 19:51
    EvanED:
    Dude:
    Atario:
    Too bad you're not a cop. Because that kind of abuse of power would quickly get you locked up, and we'd all be rid of you.

    WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT AN ABUSE OF POWER IS AND ISN'T???

    BTW, we'd rather be rid of you, IDIOT!

    As someone who agrees with Atario, speak for yourself, not "us".


    Why don't you just keep your mouth shut, too. I'll speak for whoever I want to!
  • Gilhad 2008-06-23 19:51
    Thunder:
    Ren:
    I saw the 'aggression' thing coming. A friend of mine was in the US a few years back and had (of course) rented a car to get around in. For some reason or another, they get pulled over, and my friend naturally starts stepping out of the car to talk with the officer.

    Is your friend a complete moron? What is with the idiots who think it is "natural", "normal" or "acceptable" to step out of the car in this situation? For all the cop knows, your idiot friend is about to pull out a piece and start shooting.

    Well the idiot, who think it is natural is nearly everyone in country i live in. You know, not all countries are police states as USA is today ....
  • Dude 2008-06-23 19:52
    Sheila Joyce Gibbs:
    I would like to submit my story, on the loss of my best-friend/husband.
    It is approximately 3 pages long, so if you could advise if possible.
    Many thanks.
    Sheila
    sjgibbs@shaw.ca
    ph. no. 250-995-1643


    Why? What does this have to do with anything?
  • Der... 2008-06-23 19:57
    TRWTF is that you're speaking what you're reading...
  • 2008-06-23 20:03
    Dude:
    EvanED:
    Dude:
    Atario:
    Too bad you're not a cop. Because that kind of abuse of power would quickly get you locked up, and we'd all be rid of you.

    WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT AN ABUSE OF POWER IS AND ISN'T???

    BTW, we'd rather be rid of you, IDIOT!

    As someone who agrees with Atario, speak for yourself, not "us".


    Why don't you just keep your mouth shut, too. I'll speak for whoever I want to!


    I'm speaking for Dude when I say he's very sorry and he'll shut up now.
  • ContraCorners 2008-06-23 20:06
    Dude:
    This is high school you moron, people don't pay for classes.


    Umm, err, ahh,

    I'm pretty sure the quote about paying for classes was in reference to the poster who stopped going to his *college* physics class, not the the original story about being excused from High School exams. Perhaps you threw the m word around a little too freely this time. I'm sure it can't hurt to apologize.

    And yes, I actually did go to a tuition supported High School. Pius XI. Go POPES!!!
  • Top Cod3r 2008-06-23 20:12
    The real WTF is whether anyone bothered to read past the first paragraph.
  • PublicLurker 2008-06-23 20:16
    Dude:
    EvanED:
    Dude:
    Atario:
    Too bad you're not a cop. Because that kind of abuse of power would quickly get you locked up, and we'd all be rid of you.

    WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT AN ABUSE OF POWER IS AND ISN'T???

    BTW, we'd rather be rid of you, IDIOT!

    As someone who agrees with Atario, speak for yourself, not "us".


    Why don't you just keep your mouth shut, too. I'll speak for whoever I want to!


    Looks like somebody missed their nappy time.
  • The Right Honourable Reginald Farquarson 2008-06-23 20:18
    real_aardvark:

    Feel free to try this one out yourself. Me, I'd rather stay alive. Wind down window, dome light on, and hands on wheel at all times unless otherwise instructed.


    True. When you live in a police state you are wise to compromise your rights to protect your life.
  • The Right Honourable Reginald Farquarson 2008-06-23 20:29
    Anonymous Cow-herd:
    Grovesy:
    Dave:
    That's not that uncommmon - in Australia at least it is customary to get out of the car to speak with the officer who pulls you over. Most people would do it without a second thought.


    Same here in the UK, though a friend found that in the US getting out of the car can aggravate the situation somewhat.


    Indeed. In fact, in some cases, cops in the UK will get in the car with you and sit in the shotgun seat. Often, they'll ask you to step out of the car and get into the front of the panda for a "chat".


    Yes, because it is so beastly cold in the UK that the coppers stand a real risk of freezing to death if they stand around outside for too long.

    In OZ they'll just lean on the side of the car with you and enjoy the sunshine.
  • Bappi 2008-06-23 20:36
    Dude:
    EvanED:
    Dude:
    Atario:
    Too bad you're not a cop. Because that kind of abuse of power would quickly get you locked up, and we'd all be rid of you.

    WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT AN ABUSE OF POWER IS AND ISN'T???

    BTW, we'd rather be rid of you, IDIOT!

    As someone who agrees with Atario, speak for yourself, not "us".


    Why don't you just keep your mouth shut, too. I'll speak for whoever I want to!

    Obviously, whatever it is that gives you the right to speak for whomever you want to, is the same thing that gives Atario the right to decide what is and isn't an abuse of power.

    Sheesh, you really have to spell it out around here.
  • Pewee 2008-06-23 20:36
    Gilhad:
    Thunder:
    Ren:
    I saw the 'aggression' thing coming. A friend of mine was in the US a few years back and had (of course) rented a car to get around in. For some reason or another, they get pulled over, and my friend naturally starts stepping out of the car to talk with the officer.

    Is your friend a complete moron? What is with the idiots who think it is "natural", "normal" or "acceptable" to step out of the car in this situation? For all the cop knows, your idiot friend is about to pull out a piece and start shooting.

    Well the idiot, who think it is natural is nearly everyone in country i live in. You know, not all countries are police states as USA is today ....

    Seconded. A lot of commenters seems to miss the point that some of us enjoy living in countries where cops exists to help citizen not to threaten them.
    Reciprocally cops in these countries don't feel threatened by their citizen and consider that if you get out of your car to speak to them your are just being polite and want to have a discussion with them face to face like two civilized persons.

    One may also notice that in these country there isn't a lot of cops getting killed nor a lot of citizen getting shoot per accidents by cops.

    Enjoy your paranoia and insecurities.
  • no 2008-06-23 20:45
    Pro-American:
    I'm Canadian, so your whole 'American gun stereotype' thing is m00t with me.

    As a programmer (assuming you are one), what do you think the logical thing to do would be if you were the police officer? Trust that the person you've just pulled over will be respectful of you and do what you tell them or assume that the person you've just pulled over is a free spirit that may have a broken conscience and a loaded gun and a strong dislike for jail?

    If I were a cop, I would pull my gun on EVERYBODY until I had them secured at the back of the car in handcuffs. Then I would discuss their broken taillight. You can't be too careful and police officers shouldn't be forced to risk their lives unnecessarily for your wrongdoings.




    I guess that is the difference between your society/community and many others. Where I live people ARE respectful of the law, they DON'T have guns, let alone loaded ones and hence it is perfectly reasonable to get out of a car and have a chat with a police officer. It is sad, but understandable that the society in which you live has deteriorated to the point where you can no longer have this same trust for fellow citizens.
  • Mr Coffee 2008-06-23 20:51
    I have a rather large erection right now.
  • eric76 2008-06-23 20:51
    Ren:
    I saw the 'aggression' thing coming. A friend of mine was in the US a few years back and had (of course) rented a car to get around in. For some reason or another, they get pulled over, and my friend naturally starts stepping out of the car to talk with the officer.

    One officer proceeds to forcibly shut the door, while the other backs up a few steps and pulls out his gun, aiming carefully at my friend.

    But nice of them to keep the office open at 7 PM.
    My natural inclination is to get out of the car when stopped.

    On one cold winter night, the cop stopped me. I got out, walked over to the passenger side, got in, and sat there while he wrote me a ticket. He never got out at all the whole time.

    For a time while I was in high school, we had one town cop who would stop us at night and we would get out with pistols and rifles in hand. We knew that if he stopped us, he was bored and wanted to go out to the city dump and shoot rats.
  • The Right Honourable Reginald Farquarson 2008-06-23 20:53
    EvanED:
    Erik:
    The fact that we now blithely accept the fact that officers of the law will, in situations that totally fail to warrant it, train their weapons on people whom they have no serious reason to fear, should probably clue you into something.

    Have you looked at death rates of cops? It's not one of the most dangerous jobs, but it is probably more risky than what 90% of what people do. And traffic stops, at least in the US, are one of the most dangerous activities they partake in.

    Indeed, it is not one of the most dangerous jobs:
    http://money.cnn.com/2003/10/13/pf/dangerousjobs/

    But it a more dangerous job than the average:
    http://home.austin.rr.com/apdhallofshame/occupations.htm

    However being killed in a car accident is a greater risk for a police officer than being gunned down by a perp:
    http://www.nytimes.com/2005/02/01/health/01safe.html?_r=1&adxnnl=1&oref=login&adxnnlx=1107264596-NY8SdWdPncYYE/8PQaLd1g&oref=slogin
  • Joao Marcus 2008-06-23 21:05
    For fuck's sake, US citizens sometimes are the most annoying drama queens in the world. "US is a police state"? Do you guys even know what a police state looks like? You sure don't.

    Here's police WTF. This happened in Curitiba/Brazil: In Curitiba, there are some bus stops here with cashiers. One of those cashiers tried to call the police because he knew the bus stop was going to be robbed (there was a guy riding a bike around the bus stop for several minutes). Guess what? He waited 30 minutes in line. He was obviously robbed. The next day, he saw THE SAME guy around the bus stop. He called the police. Again, he waited in line. Again, he was robbed. The robber even said: "I'll be here tomorrow, be ready". The cashier didn't believe him. But guess what? The bike robber was there, again, around the bus stop. Again, the cashier called the police. This time, he managed to talk to the police, but all he heard was: "Sorry, we can't do anything until after the robbery".

    Oh, recently two cops (not wearing a uniform) driving a civilian vehicle killed an unarmed driver that refused to stop his car. They just aimed at the driver.
  • Kallahan 2008-06-23 21:57
    Giving a vocal exam isn't hard, receiving one is.
  • js 2008-06-23 22:10
    SomeCoder:
    Ren:
    I saw the 'aggression' thing coming. A friend of mine was in the US a few years back and had (of course) rented a car to get around in. For some reason or another, they get pulled over, and my friend naturally starts stepping out of the car to talk with the officer.

    One officer proceeds to forcibly shut the door, while the other backs up a few steps and pulls out his gun, aiming carefully at my friend.

    But nice of them to keep the office open at 7 PM.


    Well, technically, you're not supposed to get out of the car like that if you are pulled over. Turn on the dome light, put both hands on the steering wheel in a visible position and don't get your license or anything out until they ask for it.

    Learned all that from a friend who just became a cop :)


    Additionally you should only crack your window a few inches and leave your seat belt on until told or asked otherwise. It's all about the officer's safety, if they feel a sense of safety then things tend to go over better.

    Keeping your seat belt on helps restrain you should the officer fear you might lunge at them or exit the car quickly. Cracking the window would make it difficult to punch the officer or grab the officer (particularly his gun).
  • Herby 2008-06-23 22:45
    As for exemption passes, it is much easier if you are the one who controls the entire database (punch cards, private disk pack). Then you can make your own rules (I did, trust me!).

    On the subject of being pulled over: Now days, the "nice", "friendly", police officer wants to be on the passenger side of the car talking to you, using YOUR vehicle to buffer between traffic, and himself. This can be avoided if one pulls to the EXTREME right and almost touching the guard rail. Given that there is no room, he can't go over there. Just to show him who is "boss". I've done the "get out of the car thing", but it seems that modern officers just don't like this mode of operation.

    Of course, when you know more about the law than they do, they really don't like it, but that is another story!!
  • OcciferDrunkAsIThunkIWere 2008-06-23 23:01
    You all must be social scientists or international police protocol experts. The pool of intellect burns so bright my retina's have detached. This is so /.
  • Dave G. 2008-06-23 23:07
    If I were a cop, I would pull my gun on EVERYBODY until I had them secured at the back of the car in handcuffs.


    Thank fuck you aren't a cop then. I'm pretty sure there are entire systems in place to make sure gestapo dicks like you never become cops.
  • webhamster 2008-06-23 23:28
    Johnny Canuck:
    webhamster:
    Code:
    I call B.S. on this. A school allowing students to get out of final exams?


    At my high school you were able to skip a final if your grade was 70% or higher (at the teacher's discretion). It was called a "recommendation".


    Is webhamster from Canada? Because I'm Canadian and we too had recommendations (or "recommends" for short.) If your mark was high enough going into the final, you didn't have to write the final. As an honour roll student, I wound up writing one (mandatory) English final in my last year. A good friend of mine, who was not a good student, didn't get any recommends. He was the one who pointed out the unfairness inherent. By forcing him to write six exams in two weeks, how could he possibly compete fairly with me in the one exam we both had to write? How could the mark I got in English be compared to the mark he got when the final exam was 40% of the mark, yet I had two weeks to study and he had roughly two days?


    In fact, I am.

    I also know for a fact that at least our school made accepting the recommendation optional. You could choose to write it if you wanted to try and bump up your grade. The teachers would calculate your grade and go with whichever was highest, meaning you wouldn't get punished from what you would have had if you chose to write and blew it.
  • webhamster 2008-06-23 23:32
    SuperousOxide:
    webhamster:

    At my high school you were able to skip a final if your grade was 70% or higher (at the teacher's discretion). It was called a "recommendation".


    70%? That low? If I remember at my high school 70 was the cutoff for passing. At best it was a low C. I wouldn't see that as justification for skipping the final exam.

    Most of the time our "Final" was just the test on the last few weeks of the class, maybe with a few extra bits from earlier in the year. Skipping these wouldn't make any sense, we still needed to learn that material.


    Yeah, I thought it was low too. It doesn't matter anyway, my lowest grade in HS was 78% and that was in a class I really didn't care about and didn't really put any effort into. Hey, I was a stupid kid at the time.
  • Physics Phil 2008-06-24 01:10
    Devil's Advocate:
    More people than you think. Some of us actually like to be perceived as educated.
    QFT
  • Tired of cops treating good people as criminals 2008-06-24 01:31
    That only makes good people hate the cops.
  • Physics Phil 2008-06-24 01:37
    Outlaw Programmer:
    MasterPlanSoftware must be spinning in his grave but god damn if this new meme isn't funny.
    One cannot spin in one's grave until one is dead, although all these XCKD links could be enough to kill him. Experiment on!
  • Physics Phil 2008-06-24 01:39
    Lady Nocturne:
    I can't believe we've gotten this far without a single mention of little Bobby Tables...


    Except we didn't.
  • Loki 2008-06-24 02:53
    Sharper Observer:

    You are both wrong.
    The correct spelling is GREY.
    GRAY is a common American misspelling, not English.


    GRAY is the correct spelling, and deliveries are made by TRUCKS, and electricity is generated by ALTERNATORS or GENERATORS, and and a HOOD covers the engine compartment of a car, and the "Queen's English" is a dialect spoken only in West Hollywood, and you get a drink in a BAR, and we smoke cigarettes, we don't "suck fags" (again, with the exception of West Hollywood) - and we have bailed your ass out for the last time (see WWI and WWII), asshole...
  • csrster 2008-06-24 03:13
    Mr Coffee:
    I have a rather large erection right now.


    So do I. I keep it in a box in the cupboard under the stairs.
  • Robert Tables 2008-06-24 03:59
    Oh you 'mericans.
  • AdT 2008-06-24 04:00
    Thunder:
    What is with the idiots who think it is "natural", "normal" or "acceptable" to step out of the car in this situation? For all the cop knows, your idiot friend is about to pull out a piece and start shooting.


    You are absolutely right but to Ren's defense he's probably from a strange and unnaturally peaceful place called the rest of the industrialized world. Take a look at the map to see what I'm talking about:



    real_aardvark:
    Incidentally, you do not have a constitutional right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Those are in the Declaration of Independence; not in the Constitution.


    Jeopardy!

    What is the Fourteenth Amendment?
  • ClaudeSuck.de 2008-06-24 06:08
    real_aardvark:
    campkev:
    SomeCoder:
    Ren:
    I saw the 'aggression' thing coming. A friend of mine was in the US a few years back and had (of course) rented a car to get around in. For some reason or another, they get pulled over, and my friend naturally starts stepping out of the car to talk with the officer.

    One officer proceeds to forcibly shut the door, while the other backs up a few steps and pulls out his gun, aiming carefully at my friend.

    But nice of them to keep the office open at 7 PM.


    Well, technically, you're not supposed to get out of the car like that if you are pulled over. Turn on the dome light, put both hands on the steering wheel in a visible position and don't get your license or anything out until they ask for it.

    Learned all that from a friend who just became a cop :)


    No, CUSTOMARILY, you are not supposed to get out of the car like that. TECHNICALLY, you have every right to. If I know I have done nothing wrong, I get out. If I know I was speeding or otherwise guilty, I go with the customary, as I am more likely to get off with a warning.
    TECHNICALLY, you might get shot.

    CUSTOMARILY, the courts in many states may well accept an officer's word on the apparent threat you TECHNICALLY posed.

    (I'm thinking of a cop in Denver who took six months' enforced leave after killing his first perp, went back on patrol, and three days later took another six months' leave.)

    Feel free to try this one out yourself. Me, I'd rather stay alive. Wind down window, dome light on, and hands on wheel at all times unless otherwise instructed.


    Reminds me of Russian police. How come there are so many parallels between these two countries?
  • MX 2008-06-24 06:57
    Thunder:
    Ren:
    I saw the 'aggression' thing coming. A friend of mine was in the US a few years back and had (of course) rented a car to get around in. For some reason or another, they get pulled over, and my friend naturally starts stepping out of the car to talk with the officer.

    Is your friend a complete moron? What is with the idiots who think it is "natural", "normal" or "acceptable" to step out of the car in this situation? For all the cop knows, your idiot friend is about to pull out a piece and start shooting.

    If you want to get out of a ticket, the best way to start is by staying seated, and keeping your hands on the steering wheel where nervous cops can seem them. Don't reach for anything before he gets to your car, and when he asks for license/registration, reach for them slowly and tell them where you're reaching. If you carry, warn them first thing, tell them where the gun is, and offer to provide your permit along with your license [if you live in a place where one is required].

    This presents the added benefit of giving you time to talk while you do these things - which can make all the difference in whether you get a ticket or not. (As long as you don't blabber on like a moron.)

    This is all about putting the officer at ease. Quite reasonably, too - he's doing his job, and has /no/ idea what you might be up to when you step out of the car, move quickly, etc.


    Depends on where you are and come from dumbass, there are places where the crime rate is so low that the cops mind you stepping out at all. And this friend of his might have come from one of these places and stepped out by pure habit.
  • Chaitanya 2008-06-24 07:26
    Hey, what with physical appearances of people and their color?
    Whatever you've described can happen anywhere, and color and weight are not prerequisites.
  • Mr Coffee 2008-06-24 07:28
    An update on my erection.

    It's still there, and it's still large, but it's all chaffed.

    You see, I've been stroking it all night. With steel wool.
  • Bob 2008-06-24 08:02
    AdT:



    America is a republic, not a democracy.
  • Michael 2008-06-24 08:08
    The real wtf is: why don't more people homeschool?
  • Alasdair 2008-06-24 08:35
    Loki:
    Sharper Observer:

    You are both wrong.
    The correct spelling is GREY.
    GRAY is a common American misspelling, not English.


    GRAY is the correct spelling, and deliveries are made by TRUCKS, and electricity is generated by ALTERNATORS or GENERATORS, and and a HOOD covers the engine compartment of a car, and the "Queen's English" is a dialect spoken only in West Hollywood, and you get a drink in a BAR, and we smoke cigarettes, we don't "suck fags" (again, with the exception of West Hollywood) - and we have bailed your ass out for the last time (see WWI and WWII), asshole...


    I'm not even going to start on the whole "correct" British/American English thing but...

    Some people say cigarettes, some say fags, but I don't think anyone would say they "suck fags" unless they were being particularly crude in announcing their homosexuality.

    As for "bailing our asses out"... you may not like Hollywood dialects but you sure seem fond of their version of history.
  • santa 2008-06-24 09:13
    real wtf is nobody started selling these... WHERE'S THE AMERICAN DREAM IN THAT?
  • real_aardvark 2008-06-24 09:24
    webhamster:

    In fact, I am <Canadian>.

    I also know for a fact that at least our school made accepting the recommendation optional. You could choose to write it if you wanted to try and bump up your grade. The teachers would calculate your grade and go with whichever was highest, meaning you wouldn't get punished from what you would have had if you chose to write and blew it.
    They had a similar system at Oxford when I was there.

    It sounds like a great idea, but in practice, everybody who went for the option of the "extra paper on my special subject" ended up with a worse degree than they would otherwise have.

    The reason? They were so fanatical about their "special subject" that they turned into werewolf-like creatures, prowling the libraries at night and grunting menacingly at anybody who dared to distract them with normal conversation.

    By the time they got to the actual exams, they were beyond hope: shambling, unkempt figures with dull red eyes and shaky hands, brought on no doubt by the quart of vodka per day they had to neck just to keep within drooling distance of this side of sane.

    Needless to say, their actual exam results went to shit. I had one friend who lost twenty pounds in a week on this lifestyle -- no mean feat, since he was the skinniest bloke in the year in the first place.

    Of course, the fact that I have since adopted this modus operandi in my subsequent "career" is neither here nor there.
  • A Person 2008-06-24 09:39
    Because it makes you a socially-inept loser?
  • real_aardvark 2008-06-24 09:49
    AdT:
    Jeopardy!

    What is the Fourteenth Amendment?
    Something altogether different, for three reasons.

    (1) Being the meat in the sandwich, as it were, of the three "Reconstruction" amendments, it refers specifically to "no State shall..." Note the absence of restriction on Federal powers.

    (2) For exactly the same reason, it prescribes the rights it defines as for "All persons born or naturalized in the United States." Fuck you if you're a wet-back, then.

    (3) Interestingly enough, it quotes the holy rights trinity as "life, liberty, or property." You will note if you examine Jefferson's original draft and corrections of the Declaration that somebody (presumably Tom-boy) thought that "property" was insufficient and substituted "the pursuit of happiness."

    This raises all sort of interesting questions. Are ex-slaves constitutionally incapable of happiness? Did the egregious Jefferson shy away from the word "property" because only Virginian gentlemen and the like are entitled to property and ordinary common muckers have to be content with "the pursuit of happiness?" (A very tricky pursuit in any case, in my experience.) Did the drafters of this amendment just have a brain-fart?

    I don't, myself, hold with the constitutional doctrine of originalism owing, in large part, to precisely this sort of muddled expression.

    Now, as to whether "rights" can be expressed in (the American remnants of) common law, or in some miraculous emergent expression of the Declaration of Independence, well, no, I don't think they can. That, I submit, is what the bulk of the Constitution (and certainly the vast plurality of the amendments thereto) constitutes. If it ain't in there, it ain't a right.

    Of course, you could be referring to the Fourteenth Amendment to the Irish Constitution -- which isn't exactly pro-life, is it?

    Addendum (2008-06-24 10:02):
    Postscript to (1): no restriction on individual powers, either. Which is where the police (conceptually -- I've got no truck with this 'police state' bullshit) come in. The Fourteenth Amendment doesn't apply where the State has "plausible deniability." Which, unless it trains State Troopers to shoot any nigger driving a cadillac, it will have.

    This isn't just nit-picking, btw. Just look at the last ten years or so of the Feds arbitrarily confiscating the property of suspected drug-smugglers, et al, with no judicial process whatsoever.

    The downside of States Rights (is there an upside?) is that, if you fight a fucking silly Civil War centered on the principle, you can expect the constitutional amendments subsequent to when you lose to be made in precisely those same idiotic terms.
  • Someone You Know 2008-06-24 10:20
    real_aardvark:
    If it ain't in there, it ain't a right.


    Just playing devil's advocate here: doesn't that contradict the ninth amendment, which states that the enumeration of rights in the Constitution can't be held as a denial of other rights?
  • Isolationist 2008-06-24 10:41
    real_aardvark:

    (2) For exactly the same reason, it prescribes the rights it defines as for "All persons born or naturalized in the United States." Fuck you if you're a wet-back, then.


    You're right, fuck you to all the wet-backs. Anyone who didn't come here through legal means has no rights because they are by definition already criminals. Anyone who wants to defend them can join them in jail and deportation, too.
  • real_aardvark 2008-06-24 10:53
    Isolationist:
    real_aardvark:

    (2) For exactly the same reason, it prescribes the rights it defines as for "All persons born or naturalized in the United States." Fuck you if you're a wet-back, then.


    You're right, fuck you to all the wet-backs. Anyone who didn't come here through legal means has no rights because they are by definition already criminals. Anyone who wants to defend them can join them in jail and deportation, too.
    (a) Very well-disguised sarcasm
    (b) I'll just phone my mate in the Datoka Nations, then. What was your email address again?
  • real_aardvark 2008-06-24 11:19
    Someone You Know:
    real_aardvark:
    If it ain't in there, it ain't a right.


    Just playing devil's advocate here: doesn't that contradict the ninth amendment, which states that the enumeration of rights in the Constitution can't be held as a denial of other rights?
    You can hardly play devil's advocate if you make a sensible contribution to the discussion.

    There are at least two arguments here (I thought of two more, but then I got drunk and tired):

    (1)Ad hominem: James Madison was an utter prick. A wannabe Jefferson, who even managed to choose an utter prick as his hero. Probably the most disastrous US President in the first half of the nineteenth century. In this case, I quote: "It has been objected also against a Bill of Rights, that, by enumerating particular exceptions to the grant of power, it would disparage those rights which were not placed in that enumeration; and it might follow by implication, that those rights which were not singled out, were intended to be assigned into the hands of the General Government, and were consequently insecure. This is one of the most plausible arguments I have ever heard against the admission of a bill of rights into this system; but, I conceive, that it may be guarded against. I have attempted it, as gentlemen may see by turning to the last clause of the fourth resolution."

    Emphasis mine. Madison, like the other authors of the Federalist Papers, was a bleating moron. You do not "assign" rights into the hands of the General Government (read: Feds).

    I contend that Madison's problem was that he didn't understand the force of "separation of powers," (not unreasonable, since nobody had tried it, and, as I say, he was a mental midget), and that he really wasn't sure that the Constitution would provide a comprehensive and acceptable definition of "rights."

    I can't blame him for that, either. But he was mostly deluded.
    (1a) The ninth amendment has nothing to do with either the construction of, or the interpretation of, the fourteenth amendment; despite Griswold v. Connecticut.
    (2) Judgement: Douglas wrote that, "The Ninth Amendment obviously does not create federally enforceable rights." Of course, he then went on to make the senile assertion that the Fourteenth Amendment protects a woman's right to have an abortion, which is absurd on so many levels that I'd be running out of pixels before I'd finished enumerating them. His important point was that "as the District Court determined, in the Ninth Amendment's reservation of rights to the people, is broad enough to encompass a woman's decision whether or not to terminate her pregnancy"

    The question then arises: what are the consequences of the reservation of rights to the people?

    That's been the big issue for the last fo
    rty years or so. All we've seen above is arguments about "the rights" of the people. You can whine all you like, but unless they're in the Constitution and enshrined in the Full Majesty Of The Law (and also backed up by the ability to pay for laywers), they ain't worth dick-shit.

    To return your devil's advocacy -- under the Ninth Amendment (and given subsequent Supreme Court rulings thereon), what exactly does "reservations of rights" mean?

    Addendum (2008-06-24 11:40):
    On point (2), where Douglas accepts the concept of "reservations of rights" from the Ninth Amendment as an argument for alowing abortion (under various limits), the old sod got it right. It was referred upward from the District Court. If the Supreme Court isn't there to take those judgements and anaylyse them under the "rights" microscope of the Constitution, then what the fuck is it there for?
  • Someone You Know 2008-06-24 11:57
    real_aardvark:
    You can hardly play devil's advocate if you make a sensible contribution to the discussion.

    There are at least two arguments here (I thought of two more, but then I got drunk and tired):

    ...etc.


    You make several interesting points, real_aardvark, but I find that Real Life™ has intervened and I don't have time to get into them just now. I'll be back later.
  • real_aardvark 2008-06-24 12:15
    Someone You Know:
    real_aardvark:
    You can hardly play devil's advocate if you make a sensible contribution to the discussion.

    There are at least two arguments here (I thought of two more, but then I got drunk and tired):

    ...etc.


    You make several interesting points, real_aardvark, but I find that Real Life™ has intervened and I don't have time to get into them just now. I'll be back later.

    This is the wrong website to discuss this stuff, isn't it? I just realised that.

    (It's easy to miss.)

    I'm not used to actual discussion on this site (except intermittently), but please go ahead.

    Failing that, insult me and my pet pigs like everyone else would.
  • ChrisPUT 2008-06-24 12:41
    Pro-American:

    If I were a cop, I would pull my gun on EVERYBODY until I had them secured at the back of the car in handcuffs. Then I would discuss their broken taillight. You can't be too careful and police officers shouldn't be forced to risk their lives unnecessarily for your wrongdoings.


    Boy, I'm glad you're not a cop. I got pulled over once and my driver side window had been replaced with duct tape and plastic so I could not roll it down; plus my starter was busted so I couldn't shut my car off. I was dead tired and was just trying to make it up the next hill so that I could stop and rest (needed the hill to pop the clutch) He thought I was drunk and pulled me over.

    To avoid confusion I opened my door, swung my legs out and placed my arms palm up on my legs with my head hanging down. I was trying to be as un-threatening as possible.
    I guess it worked. I told the cop that I was going to park as soon as I was up the hill and he let me go.
  • The Fuzz 2008-06-24 13:43
    Pro-American:


    If I were a cop, I would pull my gun on EVERYBODY until I had them secured at the back of the car in handcuffs. Then I would discuss their broken taillight. You can't be too careful and police officers shouldn't be forced to risk their lives unnecessarily for your wrongdoings.


    You wouldn't last long.

    As a police officer, I can agree that we shouldn't "be forced" to risk our lives. That being said, no one forced me or anyone I work with to be a police officer.

    Your mentality is what gets certain officers on the evening news. We are public servants that have a responsibility not only to our families and ourselves but to the public.

    You can not pull your gun on everybody as you so eloquently illustrated. There is a thing called the 4th amendment that protects people from illegal search and seizure. There is also a thing called "probable cause" that is required to make an arrest.

    Pulling your gun on someone, placing them in handcuffs, and "securing" them constitutes an arrest. There is such a thing as "investigative detention"; however, it usually does not involve force. Using a firearm (even if it is not fired), is a use of force. On top of everything else, doing all that to "discuss their broken taillight" could land you in federal court.

    I make sure that I come home to my family every night. However, I also make sure that I don't trample on the civil rights of the general public to get there. Just imagine if your grandmother was the one getting pulled over. Insert her into your equation and then tell me if you think it is a good idea.

  • Penn 2008-06-24 13:46
    The real WTF is someone cut off the last part of the story:

    So I get up to leave and the Exemption Lady says, "By the way, what is the name of the class you got an Exemption for?"

    I turn around slowly and say "The Aristocrats."
  • Survey User 2338 2008-06-24 15:13
    This thread proves that education is no substitution for intelligence.
  • xybre 2008-06-24 15:14
    Atario:
    Pro-American:
    If I were a cop, I would pull my gun on EVERYBODY until I had them secured at the back of the car in handcuffs. Then I would discuss their broken taillight.
    Too bad you're not a cop. Because that kind of abuse of power would quickly get you locked up, and we'd all be rid of you.


    I think this points out how in "The Land of the Free", we are (encouraged to be) slaves to fear.

    I've lived in rural areas, where everyone is suspicious of city-folk, suburbs where everyone is suspicious of people who dress differently, and cities where everyone is suspicious of everyone.

    There are signs all over the city saying "if you see anything strange, or anyone acting strange, call the cops". Security theater is rampant, all it does is make people feel like someone is in control, because they sure as hell know it's not them.

    "I believe that the truth of the matter is far more terrifying, that the real truth that dare not speak itself is that no one is in control, absolutely no one. This stuff is ruled by the equations of dynamics and chaos. There may be entities seeking control, but to seek control is to take enormous aggravation upon yourself. It's like trying to control a dream." - Terence McKenna
  • real_aardvark 2008-06-24 15:56
    Survey User 2338:
    This thread proves that education is no substitution for intelligence.
    Plz send teh Intelligences...

    No, wait a minute. The State Department tried that in 2003, and it didn't work, did it?
  • Johnny Canuck 2008-06-24 16:31
    [quote user="NutherCanuck"][quote user="FredSaw"][quote user="Johnny Canuck"]As an honour roll student, I wound up writing one (mandatory) English final in my last year. A good friend of mine, who was not a good student, didn't get any recommends. He was the one who pointed out the unfairness inherent.[/quote]I fail to see inherent unfairness. At the beginning of the class, did you two stand the same chance of succeeding?[/quote]

    Let me try to explain it as simply as I can. Let us suppose my friend and I are of equal ability in English. (The mandatory exam.) As the English final approaches, classes end as exams start. As I am a good student in math, science and so on, English is the only final I have to write. As he is not as good, he will be writing many exams.

    I now have 2 weeks to devote to studying for the final English exam. However, my friend has to devote his study time to many different subjects. As a result, he has only two days to study for English.

    Given that we were equal in English ability throughout the year (getting near identical marks on all assignments and papers) it should surprise no one that I ace the final exam, while he does not since he didn't have the same amount of time to prepare. And since the final exam is a majority of the mark, we now have vastly different English marks.

    The unfairness is that when one looks at transcripts, one will assume I am far superior in English. While in reality, my English mark is actually due to the fact that I am superior in math & science and it's very likely my friend is at least my equal if not better.

    That's why it's "unfair".
  • real_aardvark 2008-06-24 16:53
    Johnny Canuck:
    FredSaw:
    Johnny Canuck:
    As an honour roll student, I wound up writing one (mandatory) English final in my last year. A good friend of mine, who was not a good student, didn't get any recommends. He was the one who pointed out the unfairness inherent.
    I fail to see inherent unfairness. At the beginning of the class, did you two stand the same chance of succeeding?


    Let me try to explain it as simply as I can. Let us suppose my friend and I are of equal ability in English. (The mandatory exam.) As the English final approaches, classes end as exams start. As I am a good student in math, science and so on, English is the only final I have to write. As he is not as good, he will be writing many exams.

    I now have 2 weeks to devote to studying for the final English exam. However, my friend has to devote his study time to many different subjects. As a result, he has only two days to study for English.

    Given that we were equal in English ability throughout the year (getting near identical marks on all assignments and papers) it should surprise no one that I ace the final exam, while he does not since he didn't have the same amount of time to prepare. And since the final exam is a majority of the mark, we now have vastly different English marks.

    The unfairness is that when one looks at transcripts, one will assume I am far superior in English. While in reality, my English mark is actually due to the fact that I am superior in math & science and it's very likely my friend is at least my equal if not better.

    That's why it's "unfair".
    There, fixed that for ya.

    No soup for you. Though you still have to take the mandatory exam.
  • Vee 2008-06-24 18:05
    "She was bald and overweight, with curly graying hair." Was she wearing a wig? Because she can't be bald and have curly graying hair on her head -- unless it was worn as a fringe around her head, like a monk .
  • vic 2008-06-24 18:13
    Bald means lacking hair on the scalp. The keyword here is scalp.

    Also, "Pro-american" is a big curly-haired troll.
  • Dude 2008-06-24 18:18
    real_aardvark:
    Plz send teh Intelligences...

    No, wait a minute. The State Department tried that in 2003, and it didn't work, did it?


    What the hell are you referring to? You expect everyone to think "gee, what a funny guy" when you just make something stupid like this up? You really are the biggest POS I've ever seen!
  • Ilya Ehrenburg 2008-06-24 19:44
    Dude:
    real_aardvark:
    Plz send teh Intelligences...

    No, wait a minute. The State Department tried that in 2003, and it didn't work, did it?


    What the hell are you referring to? You expect everyone to think "gee, what a funny guy" when you just make something stupid like this up? You really are the biggest POS I've ever seen!

    He's probably referring to the rather unreliable information the intelligence services delivered prior to the war with Iraq.
    And, just to preclude wrong conclusions with respect to his standing on that war, he explicitly stated before that he supports it.
  • donniel 2008-06-25 03:26
    campkev:
    Mel:
    Not everyone reading or commenting here is in the US. Some people reading and commenting here are in a country where it's reasonable to assume that a cop won't shoot you. Hell, in New Zealand, cops (in general) don't even carry guns! In some countries, there's a thing called respect - which is more prevalent than gun-carrying. I'm glad I can choose to live in one of those countries.

    If I'm stopped by police while I'm driving, I'll get out if I want to - or I might stay in the car (until asked to get out). I'm not in the US. My first thought isn't "He's going to shoot me if I do something wrong".


    I'm in the U.S. and that's not my first thought either. Evidently some people have watched a few too many episodes of "The Shield"


    I'm not from the US, but my first thought when somebody mentioned getting out of the car was "Don't, moron - you'll get shot!". I haven't watched 'The Shield', but I've watched a lot of 'World's Wildest Police Videos'.

    Interesting and thought-provoking arguments from both sides of the debate.
  • Query Object 2008-06-25 08:59
    So I tied an onion to my belt, which was the style at the time. Now, to take the ferry cost a nickel, and in those days, nickels had pictures of bumblebees on them. ‘Give me five bees for a quarter,’ you’d say. Now where were we? Oh yeah, the important thing was that I had an onion on my belt, which was the style at the time. They didn’t have any white onions, because of the war; the only thing you can get was those big yellow ones.


    Thank you Abe.
  • Andrzej Novak 2008-06-25 16:02
    I guess I don't see the WTF. Do you think that 18 year olds should only be considered adults when they are committing crimes?


    That and when they are fighting in the war. God forbid that real adults be required to fight them, rather than sending the nation's young 'uns out.
  • ClaudeSuck.de 2008-06-26 04:29
    nobis:
    Ilya Ehrenburg:
    But he was black, and didn't you read above that black people are ipso facto aggressive and threatening?
    I was able to read that far into the OP. I can in fact tell you sir that I read no such comment about black people.
    (yes I'm assuming you are a sir because your name means "son of Ilya")


    Well, I believe it's taken from Latin:

    "in our presence" or "to us"
  • Ilya Ehrenburg 2008-06-26 08:31
    ClaudeSuck.de:
    nobis:
    Ilya Ehrenburg:
    But he was black, and didn't you read above that black people are ipso facto aggressive and threatening?
    I was able to read that far into the OP. I can in fact tell you sir that I read no such comment about black people.
    (yes I'm assuming you are a sir because your name means "son of Ilya")


    Well, I believe it's taken from Latin:

    "in our presence" or "to us"

    If you're referring to the origins of the name Ilya: from hebrew Eliyahu, my god is YHVH.
  • Ass Monkey 2008-06-26 09:11
    The real WTF is that not only does this kid not know how to spell "aggression," he also doesn't know how to use quotation marks or a spell checker.
  • Anon 2008-06-26 15:48
    Sounds a bit like my high school when they decided to print off the timetables for the whole year again.

    However... we needed either ID, or a teachers signature on a slip of paper. I opted for the ID.

    Went in, showed them my St John Ambulance ID (First Aid charity), and got lectured on how forging ID's was not on, and that I was lucky they were not calling the Police... (This was a really old receptionist)

    Lets just say they got a roasting from the head teacher, I got my timetable, and no other establishment has rejected that piece of ID ;)
  • Demopoly 2008-06-26 19:38
    My mom, AKA BQFH, Satans Handmaiden, et al, one day early in my freshman year of HS decided she didn't want to get up or be bothered. She told me to just sign her name at school for being late. I was unusually honest even then, but when I got to school late (mom too drunk to drive wasn't an uncommon excuse) the elderly desk-matron just blinked as I signed my own name on the late slip. I continued to do so for the rest of HS without ever talking to my mom again, or ever getting a phone call.

    I discovered at that moment that HS was operated by people who were too stupid, too old, or too underpaid to care much about anything. Staffers were quite different from teachers and various 'enforcers', most of whom had vehemently adhered to agendas, like the English department's Nazi tactics and iconic paranoia. Someone may think for themselves.

    I completed 220 out of the 210 credits required to graduate HS, and then dropped out of senior year and took the GED. The GED people require you to pass the test, or they won't give you a diploma. Not so of high school, where just showing up counts, and there isn't even a test. I wanted a degree that mattered.

    As a HS Freshman I also started hanging out at college, which is where I picked up most of the attitude evident today. I've been in college ever since, only skipping 1987.

    There isn't much difference in college, we just get to play with more dangerous toys and talk about sex. Administration is typically blind stupid, over-paid degrees who couldn't cut it in the real world. They spend an entire year deciding what color the flowers should be.



  • johnsmith 2008-06-26 23:18
    "Panda"

    Never heard that - good one. I'll start using it on this side of the pond.
  • ClaudeSuck.de 2008-06-27 05:15
    nobis:

    Also "jeze just post teh codz here and stop everyone from asking for them to be emailed" mean quit preaching to the blog-o-tubes about how to act when a cop pulls you over.

    Because well... If you read a post on thedailywtf.com about how to act when a cop pulls you over, and you change the way you act when a cop pulls you over. You are already are stupid and most likly need to be shot anyway to save the gene pool.


    That's TRWTF, we're discussing about how to react on American police when they pull you over. Hell, I've never been to the US and I don't even consider going there ever in my life. The stories we hear about US cops are quite frightening compared to European cop stories. Here, we ususally are nice to the cops and they are nice (well, within the limits, coz they still isuue a ticket for you) with us.

    So, if there are more cop stories from other parts of the world, I'd actually appreciate it quite a lot. US cops, go away. You are the new Nazis. I just remember the young black guy whos head was banged against the boardwalk by cops, just for fun.
  • ClaudeSuck.de 2008-06-27 05:23
    EvanED:
    Erik:
    The fact that we now blithely accept the fact that officers of the law will, in situations that totally fail to warrant it, train their weapons on people whom they have no serious reason to fear, should probably clue you into something.

    Have you looked at death rates of cops? It's not one of the most dangerous jobs, but it is probably more risky than what 90% of what people do. And traffic stops, at least in the US, are one of the most dangerous activities they partake in.


    Don't forget every dick can carry an arm in the US. And you (the Americans) just defended that "right". Now, even in states where it was not allowed to walk around with an armed gun, it is permitted. So, what do you want? In the UK, the bobbies don't wear guns, and they are not shot either. In Germany, they wear guns but they don't use them unless it's really going to be critical.
    So, to me at least, it looks like this is due to a power-against-power situation. The more arms you have the more arms are pointed against you. Basta. Come down to a reasonable use of arms and your cops will not fear death every day they go on duty.

    Quite simple, no?
  • ClaudeSuck.de 2008-06-27 05:32
    Dude:
    EvanED:
    Dude:
    Atario:
    Too bad you're not a cop. Because that kind of abuse of power would quickly get you locked up, and we'd all be rid of you.

    WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT AN ABUSE OF POWER IS AND ISN'T???

    BTW, we'd rather be rid of you, IDIOT!

    As someone who agrees with Atario, speak for yourself, not "us".


    Why don't you just keep your mouth shut, too. I'll speak for whoever I want to!


    Yuo definAtely are a hero...
  • ClaudeSuck.de 2008-06-27 05:32
    Dude:
    EvanED:
    Dude:
    Atario:
    Too bad you're not a cop. Because that kind of abuse of power would quickly get you locked up, and we'd all be rid of you.

    WHAT GIVES YOU THE RIGHT TO DECIDE WHAT AN ABUSE OF POWER IS AND ISN'T???

    BTW, we'd rather be rid of you, IDIOT!

    As someone who agrees with Atario, speak for yourself, not "us".


    Why don't you just keep your mouth shut, too. I'll speak for whoever I want to!


    You definAtely are a hero...
  • ClaudeSuck.de 2008-06-27 05:34
    Dude:
    Sheila Joyce Gibbs:
    I would like to submit my story, on the loss of my best-friend/husband.
    It is approximately 3 pages long, so if you could advise if possible.
    Many thanks.
    Sheila
    sjgibbs@shaw.ca
    ph. no. 250-995-1643


    Why? What does this have to do with anything?


    Exactly, FACAAAAAAAAAADE!
  • ClaudeSuck.de 2008-06-27 05:38
    Mr Coffee:
    I have a rather large erection right now.


    So, it's more than usual?
  • ClaudeSuck.de 2008-06-27 05:41
    eric76:

    For a time while I was in high school, we had one town cop who would stop us at night and we would get out with pistols and rifles in hand. We knew that if he stopped us, he was bored and wanted to go out to the city dump and shoot rats.


    So what do you want. You shoot at them, they shoot at you. Pretty fair. A good way to get rid of all those immensly stupid Americans.
  • ClaudeSuck.de 2008-06-27 06:18
    Loki:
    Sharper Observer:

    You are both wrong.
    The correct spelling is GREY.
    GRAY is a common American misspelling, not English.


    GRAY is the correct spelling, and deliveries are made by TRUCKS, and electricity is generated by ALTERNATORS or GENERATORS, and and a HOOD covers the engine compartment of a car, and the "Queen's English" is a dialect spoken only in West Hollywood, and you get a drink in a BAR, and we smoke cigarettes, we don't "suck fags" (again, with the exception of West Hollywood) - and we have bailed your ass out for the last time (see WWI and WWII), asshole...


    Whoa, the American heroes. They arrived at the end of the war when everything was over. And now they behave like they fought the entire war. Fuck off, you just did the clean-up, not more.
  • ClaudeSuck.de 2008-06-27 06:52
    [quote user="Johnny Canuck"][quote user="NutherCanuck"][quote user="FredSaw"][quote user="Johnny Canuck"]As an honour roll student, I wound up writing one (mandatory) English final in my last year. A good friend of mine, who was not a good student, didn't get any recommends. He was the one who pointed out the unfairness inherent.[/quote]I fail to see inherent unfairness. At the beginning of the class, did you two stand the same chance of succeeding?[/quote]

    Let me try to explain it as simply as I can. Let us suppose my friend and I are of equal ability in English. (The mandatory exam.) As the English final approaches, classes end as exams start. As I am a good student in math, science and so on, English is the only final I have to write. As he is not as good, he will be writing many exams.

    I now have 2 weeks to devote to studying for the final English exam. However, my friend has to devote his study time to many different subjects. As a result, he has only two days to study for English.

    Given that we were equal in English ability throughout the year (getting near identical marks on all assignments and papers) it should surprise no one that I ace the final exam, while he does not since he didn't have the same amount of time to prepare. And since the final exam is a majority of the mark, we now have vastly different English marks.

    The unfairness is that when one looks at transcripts, one will assume I am far superior in English. While in reality, my English mark is actually due to the fact that I am superior in math & science and it's very likely my friend is at least my equal if not better.

    That's why it's "unfair". [/quote]

    TRWTF is that you're learning English.
  • RF 2008-06-27 08:38
    Sigh. Misandric anti-aggression strikes again.
  • SpamBot 2008-07-08 08:31
    FredSaw:
    webhamster:
    At my high school you were able to skip a final if your grade was 70% or higher (at the teacher's discretion).
    My college physics professor told the class that we would have five tests throughout the semester, including the final. He would discard the two with the lowest scores and average the other three, and that would be our semester grade. When I received my third 100 on the third test, I approached him after class and made sure I'd understood correctly, and told him I already had three A's.

    "Well, you've got an A for the semester, then," he said, followed by, "I would hope you'd continue to attend the class..."

    Fat chance.


    mwahahahahaha!
  • loseurmarbles 2008-09-09 20:35
    The first part of this reminds me of an XKCD comic.



    http://xkcd.com/327/
  • Drambuie 2008-10-18 10:13
    sugarfree:
    "She was bald ... with curly graying hair"

    uh...what?



    Perhaps the hair was on her chin? ;P
  • Drambuie 2008-10-18 10:21
    donniel:
    campkev:
    Mel:
    Not everyone reading or commenting here is in the US. Some people reading and commenting here are in a country where it's reasonable to assume that a cop won't shoot you. Hell, in New Zealand, cops (in general) don't even carry guns! In some countries, there's a thing called respect - which is more prevalent than gun-carrying. I'm glad I can choose to live in one of those countries.

    If I'm stopped by police while I'm driving, I'll get out if I want to - or I might stay in the car (until asked to get out). I'm not in the US. My first thought isn't "He's going to shoot me if I do something wrong".


    I'm in the U.S. and that's not my first thought either. Evidently some people have watched a few too many episodes of "The Shield"


    I'm not from the US, but my first thought when somebody mentioned getting out of the car was "Don't, moron - you'll get shot!". I haven't watched 'The Shield', but I've watched a lot of 'World's Wildest Police Videos'.

    Interesting and thought-provoking arguments from both sides of the debate.


    Yes - there was that episode where police trapped a speeding car by stopping suddenly in front of it, then when the car tapped it while coming to a stop interpreted this as "deliberate ramming", opened fire into the car windscreen from all angles knowing full well there were passengers in the car, then stated afterwards that the driver had put his passengers "at risk" by forcing police to shoot at them.

    Not quite as dumb as the cops who killed an innocent guy experiencing a seizure using a taser, though.
  • ChameleonDave 2008-10-20 03:38
    Some people on here seem to want it both ways. I'm hearing assertions that bizarrely submissive behaviour in front of a cop is somehow his due, and also assertions that, despite any theoretical right to do as you wish, you ought to be submissive for practical reasons of survival.

    Those aren't compatible. The first way of looking at it is simply false: I am not under arrest, so there is no legal obligation even to be civil, nor a moral one, if he is inconveniencing me unduly. His concerns for his safety are irrelevant, because he is obviously armed, whereas I am not armed (to my knowledge definitely, and to his knowledge probably). The risk to me is therefore greater. Should I therefore disarm him pre-emptively? No, that would be discourteous and inconveniencing for him.

    The second way of looking at it ignores rights and wrongs, and considers that the cop is simply an existential threat to me, much as a bear would be, and that I therefore should stay in the car. The problem with that is that I would be fully justified in putting down either a wild bear or a rabid cop roaming the city. It would moreover be a public duty. If you dislike the consequences of people viewing police officers like that, then you should therefore refrain from arguing that they ought to be so viewed.
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    Spudnick:
    The opening statements sound remarkably like Cobb County in Georgia. We had the same silly finals limitation, and our old grading system was remarkably similar, and was hacked in a remarkably similar way, back in 2001.


    And yet, that was the same school district that managed to get itself all hyped up trying to protect students from "the evils of evolution" in 2002, rather than trying to make sure that they didn't have any more stupidity scandals.

    (I love the comment on Penn & Teller's Bullshit about that whole mess: "How screwed up do things have to be for a NEW YORKER to be the voice of reason!")
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  • eagle275 2012-04-12 05:51
    You Americans are sooo behind the curtains ... I lol'd heavily.

    In my senior years we had the luck of getting computer science courses with really abled teacher(s) - who worked together to improve themselves. As I recall we had 2 exceptionally good lessons, in both we build a database driven application.
    On app was used to map the schedule - not "your" schedule, but rather the whole school-schedule for every class from 5th to 12th school-year, 4 to 5 classes per year and a set of about 80 teachers and taking into account optional courses set AFTER regular school hours.
    The other one was especially useful for the last schoolyear. We had a special course-system in the last 2 school years, so it was quite tedious to rule out the end - grade , taking final exams into account.
    On top of that the 2nd app should approve if the student had selected a valid course-plan and rule out the BEST choice of grades you would use for the final grade

    I believe the vice principal - and head computer science teacher - went with the best of our solutions and improved his own creations which lacked in some special cases ( to be honest we were the first students allowed into this course-system as it was introduced in-mid my second last school year)

    Very educational because it was my first 'contact' with SQL and served me later