The Interesting Resume, The Insecure Resume, and More

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  • Remy Martin 2010-10-19 11:58
    Are you married?
    No, but I'm sure it's coming soon.
    What does that mean?
    I'm waiting for them to legalize it in my state.
  • RBoy 2010-10-19 12:01
    Remy Martin:
    Are you married?
    No, but I'm sure it's coming soon.
    What does that mean?

    I'm a good Christan man, and I can't wait much longer to have sex.
  • boog 2010-10-19 12:02
    At least that first candidate can claim plenty of hands-on experience with Ada.
  • Anonymous 2010-10-19 12:02
    Applying for a job from jail must be pretty much impossible whatever the trade. Kudos to him for trying and putting together a reasonably coherent cover letter. I don't even mind the illegible handwriting, mine is just as bad if not worse - and who the hell writes on dead trees these days anyway?
  • Markp 2010-10-19 12:04
    If "The Firm" taught me anything, it's that companies that want you to have families just want leverage to blackmail you.
  • serguey123 2010-10-19 12:05
    Anonymous:
    and who the hell writes on dead trees these days anyway?


    Third world country national, poor people, jailed people, etc
  • DaveK 2010-10-19 12:08
    How to reply to assholes:

    "We expect all of our employees to have a family, and since you don't now, I need to know when you plan on having one."

    "Hey, could be any day now, since I started banging your wife!" <walks out>

  • Markp 2010-10-19 12:09
    serguey123:
    Anonymous:
    and who the hell writes on dead trees these days anyway?


    Third world country national, poor people, jailed people, etc

    Actually you just identified three groups of people that typically write on dead trees less than the average person.
  • wtf 2010-10-19 12:09
    THRWTF is the phrase "man up". How did this pseudo-macho idiocy become legitimized as English, and how can we make people stop using it?
    Worse yet, in the Times the other day, someone one quoted asserting that a certain politician needed to "leader up". I didn't read any further, as I'd clawed out my eyes to stop the burning.
  • My Name Is Missing 2010-10-19 12:12
    The last one hit home. I once interviewed at a place looking for an architect for their back end systems, and eventually I talked with the founder, who bragged about have an illegal database of every physician in the country and how he was going to sell them discount cards and make a killing. Then he bragged about all the investments he was getting from people with lots of money (one of whom he had been talking to while I stewed for an hour after the scheduled interview time). I realized at that point this was probably a ponzi scheme and bolted for the door.
  • frits 2010-10-19 12:12
    TRWTF is Idaho.
  • wtf 2010-10-19 12:14
    frits:
    TRWTF is Idaho.

    You da ho indeed, but that's not a WTF. We all knew that already, and we're okay with that.
  • The Daily WTF 2010-10-19 12:15
    When it comes to commenting, I am the master!

    Actually, the irony is as thick as maple soup: he advertises (with a pencil, on lined paper) that he is a master of electronic data.
  • Anonymous 2010-10-19 12:15
    wtf:
    THRWTF is the phrase "man up". How did this pseudo-macho idiocy become legitimized as English, and how can we make people stop using it?
    Worse yet, in the Times the other day, someone one quoted asserting that a certain politician needed to "leader up". I didn't read any further, as I'd clawed out my eyes to stop the burning.

    Next time my PM is complaining about deadlines I'm going to be all like "hey man, project manager up".
  • Larry 2010-10-19 12:16
    TRWTF is prison.
  • Harold 2010-10-19 12:17
    Anonymous:
    wtf:
    THRWTF is the phrase "man up". How did this pseudo-macho idiocy become legitimized as English, and how can we make people stop using it?
    Worse yet, in the Times the other day, someone one quoted asserting that a certain politician needed to "leader up". I didn't read any further, as I'd clawed out my eyes to stop the burning.

    Next time my PM is complaining about deadlines I'm going to be all like "hey man, project manager up".

    The next time my wife is PMSing, I'm going to be all like, "hey, woman, period up!"
  • Mormon Leader Joseph Smith 2010-10-19 12:18
    frits:
    TRWTF is Idaho.

    Do you know why it's so windy in Utay?
    Hint: it's because Idaho sucks.
  • I'm not the one with the elephant head 2010-10-19 12:20
    wtf:
    THRWTF is the phrase "man up". How did this pseudo-macho idiocy become legitimized as English, and how can we make people stop using it?
    Worse yet, in the Times the other day, someone one quoted asserting that a certain politician needed to "leader up". I didn't read any further, as I'd clawed out my eyes to stop the burning.


    All us cool macho alpha males say it to each other at the slightest hint of pussy-ish behavior. If you man up you can join our merry band and make fun of the french with us.
  • JJ 2010-10-19 12:22
    Inb4 some European comments with "TRWTF is calling it a résumé instead of a CV!"
  • DWalker59 2010-10-19 12:22
    "Family-Friendly" shouldn't mean that you are REQUIRED to have a family! How weird. Does he want to get together and compare notes on childbirth, sex techniques, etc.?

    Quote: "I don't think that word means what you think it means". (The word, of course, is "Inconceivable")
  • anarchist 2010-10-19 12:26
    DWalker59:
    "Family-Friendly" shouldn't mean that you are REQUIRED to have a family! How weird. Does he want to get together and compare notes on childbirth, sex techniques, etc.?

    Quote: "I don't think that word means what you think it means". (The word, of course, is "Inconceivable")


    What he means is "Are you gay", without explicitly saying it, which I presume is illegal. Although knowing how the USA works, probably not.

    He should have smashed that homophobic cunt's face into a bloody pulp.
  • ContraCorners 2010-10-19 12:26
    Harold:
    Anonymous:
    wtf:
    THRWTF is the phrase "man up". How did this pseudo-macho idiocy become legitimized as English, and how can we make people stop using it?
    Worse yet, in the Times the other day, someone one quoted asserting that a certain politician needed to "leader up". I didn't read any further, as I'd clawed out my eyes to stop the burning.

    Next time my PM is complaining about deadlines I'm going to be all like "hey man, project manager up".

    The next time my wife is PMSing, I'm going to be all like, "hey, woman, period up!"

    Yeah... been nice knowing you.
  • An English Gentleman 2010-10-19 12:29
    JJ:
    Inb4 some European comments with "TRWTF is calling it a résumé instead of a CV!"

    I'm not going to be the first to say it but since you mentioned it, don't you think it's weird that we use a latin term and you use... a French term??!! I thought the yanks hated the French and everything about them? Freedom Fries and all that rubbish? Plus there's another bonus to using a latin term - you sound smart saying it. You guys love to make yourselves sound smarter than you really are, right?

    </troll> - at least I'm honest about it!
  • Salami 2010-10-19 12:30
    wtf:
    THRWTF is the phrase "man up". How did this pseudo-macho idiocy become legitimized as English, and how can we make people stop using it?
    Worse yet, in the Times the other day, someone one quoted asserting that a certain politician needed to "leader up". I didn't read any further, as I'd clawed out my eyes to stop the burning.


    It probably comes from sports, where a team can play "man to man" defense, and it is common to say "man up" meaning to guard your man tightly. If you are letting your guy score, then you need to "man up" to guarding him better.
  • Anonymous 2010-10-19 12:32
    Salami:
    If you are letting your guy score, then you need to "man up"...

    I just wanted to demonstrate how bad this sounds out of context. Immature? Oh yes, very much so.
  • anon 2010-10-19 12:37
    anarchist:
    DWalker59:
    "Family-Friendly" shouldn't mean that you are REQUIRED to have a family! How weird. Does he want to get together and compare notes on childbirth, sex techniques, etc.?

    Quote: "I don't think that word means what you think it means". (The word, of course, is "Inconceivable")


    What he means is "Are you gay", without explicitly saying it, which I presume is illegal. Although knowing how the USA works, probably not.

    He should have smashed that homophobic cunt's face into a bloody pulp.


    Regardless I'm reasonably certain that it's illegal to discriminate on hiring based on marital status.
  • Freiheit 2010-10-19 12:39
    "While hiring a welder on a work-release program is one thing, hiring an IT professional and giving them access to your systems is another."

    Yea. When an IT guy screws up there is a lot less risk of a critical structural failure, an explosion, a fire, electrocution, and general industrial accidents.
  • Max Peck 2010-10-19 12:43
    "I'm a well-known entrepreneur," he said, "And my book on unusual management techniques will be coming out in a couple of years. As soon as I find a publisher. I run businesses where everyone is entitled to the profits, and the business is owned by all employees. We vote collectively on all management decisions, and we'll be doing everything including booking A-list celebrity interviews, producing major motion pictures and TV dramas, providing copywriting services and translation, producing radio shows, manufacturing a line of action figures, and, of course, making websites. Did I mention I have tons of expensive equipment?"


    Oh man ... this sounds JUST like a guy I did some work for in Atlanta back about 20 years ago! He did actually have a couple of companies but he was one of those who just kind of disappeared after a little while and would re-appear at random. It was always a new company that he'd set up that was going to be the next BIG THING. The last one he called "World Business Network". Heh ...

    He generally paid me in equipment rather than cash which was what I needed at the time but I didn't trust him any further than I could throw him!

    -Max :D
  • Dan 2010-10-19 12:43
    anarchist:
    DWalker59:
    "Family-Friendly" shouldn't mean that you are REQUIRED to have a family! How weird. Does he want to get together and compare notes on childbirth, sex techniques, etc.?

    Quote: "I don't think that word means what you think it means". (The word, of course, is "Inconceivable")


    What he means is "Are you gay", without explicitly saying it, which I presume is illegal. Although knowing how the USA works, probably not.

    He should have smashed that homophobic cunt's face into a bloody pulp.


    How ironic, an anarchist telling someone what to do...

    But yeah, "family friendly". Not "family mandatory".
  • Matt 2010-10-19 12:45
    Salami:


    It probably comes from sports, where a team can play "man to man" defense, and it is common to say "man up" meaning to guard your man tightly. If you are letting your guy score, then you need to "man up" to guarding him better.


    The many nerds on this site thank you for explaining the sports reference.
  • Remy Martin 2010-10-19 12:45
    anarchist:
    DWalker59:
    "Family-Friendly" shouldn't mean that you are REQUIRED to have a family! How weird. Does he want to get together and compare notes on childbirth, sex techniques, etc.?

    Quote: "I don't think that word means what you think it means". (The word, of course, is "Inconceivable")


    What he means is "Are you gay", without explicitly saying it, which I presume is illegal. Although knowing how the USA works, probably not.

    He should have smashed that homophobic dude's face into a bloody pulp.

    So, are you available? Could you send me some full body shots?
  • Zaratustra 2010-10-19 12:46
    Keep in mind welder errors are usually self-correcting (by removing the welder or parts thereof), while a IT guy's mistake will only rarely burn said IT guy's arm off.
  • Matt 2010-10-19 12:46
    Freiheit:
    "While hiring a welder on a work-release program is one thing, hiring an IT professional and giving them access to your systems is another."

    Yea. When an IT guy screws up there is a lot less risk of a critical structural failure, an explosion, a fire, electrocution, and general industrial accidents.


    The point is what the person can steal, not just how badly they can screw up. Imagine hiring a felon to your worksite. One day he gets fed up and steals some tools worth a few hundred bucks and never shows up again.

    Now imagine if this guy were in charge of your company's CRM. You're screwed.
  • Rick 2010-10-19 12:46
    Freiheit:
    "While hiring a welder on a work-release program is one thing, hiring an IT professional and giving them access to your systems is another."

    Yea. When an IT guy screws up there is a lot less risk of a critical structural failure, an explosion, a fire, electrocution, and general industrial accidents.

    Generally, the critical work of a welder is better tested and supervised.
  • jasmine2501 2010-10-19 12:53
    Yes, all of those questions are illegal - not illegal to ask though. You can ask anything you want in an interview, but there's a whole class of stuff you aren't supposed to use to make the hiring decision. However, if you asked it, the assumption is that you're going to use the information, and that it might influence your decision in some subtle way even if it's not 'officially' used in a hiring decision. You are much better off not asking. And yes, if someone asked me any of those questions they would be hearing from a lawyer.

    Unless it is relevant - if you're hiring for a "motherhood training instructor" - it's perfectly ok to make sure she has some kids.
  • Design Pattern 2010-10-19 12:58
    Kendra:
    His web background involved one website complete with animated sparkling Gifs ...

    So this is the founder of that cornify-website that is the source of unicorns and rainbows on every Remy Porter article!
  • boog 2010-10-19 13:03
    I laughed when I read the first story. At first it was just because I live in Idaho, in Ada county even.

    But as I read on, I started to realize that I think I've met the inmate/applicant in the story. I'd guess there weren't a lot of inmates in Ada county who are VB developers, and who were looking for programming work around that time.

    But I knew one, and despite the fact that the applicant's name in the story has been made all wavy for anonymity's sake, I can still sort of see the name of the guy I remember. I'm almost positive it's him.

    If it is the same guy, I knew him because they ended up hiring this VB guy where I was working at the time (just a couple years after the story). Similar attitude, and I think he had a lot of previous jobs. I had found out he was previously incarcerated in Ada county because of concerns over sensitive information, although that ended up not being an issue.

    Not a bad guy, but not a great developer either if I recall.

    Addendum (2010-10-19 14:10):
    To clarify, it was because of sensitive data concerns that I found out he was incarcerated, not that he was incarcerated due to sensitive data concerns as my comment above reads. Sorry for the confusion.
  • Zylon 2010-10-19 13:07
    Salami:
    It probably comes from sports, where a team can play "man to man" defense, and it is common to say "man up" meaning to guard your man tightly. If you are letting your guy score, then you need to "man up" to guarding him better.

    New York Times weighs in.
  • Uhhh 2010-10-19 13:08
    True... But a 'rm -rf /' on the file server or deleting the RAID on the Exchange server is generally not covered by insurance. In the "White Collar" world, the biggest disaster is being unable to access information.
  • Shoruke 2010-10-19 13:10
    Uhhh:
    True... But a 'rm -rf /' on the file server or deleting the RAID on the Exchange server is generally not covered by insurance. In the "White Collar" world, the biggest disaster is being unable to access information.


    Heaven help the idiot employer who hires a criminal and doesn't make backups...
  • moz 2010-10-19 13:11
    frits:
    TRWTF is Idaho.

    Locking debtors up isn't a good sign, nor is subsequently expecting someone to find work independently while locked up for any reason (even if it raises no questions about someone's suitability, what employer would want to go through the hassle of arranging someone's work schedule with a prison?). You may be on to something.
  • family man 2010-10-19 13:13
    anarchist:
    DWalker59:
    "Family-Friendly" shouldn't mean that you are REQUIRED to have a family! How weird. Does he want to get together and compare notes on childbirth, sex techniques, etc.?

    Quote: "I don't think that word means what you think it means". (The word, of course, is "Inconceivable")


    What he means is "Are you gay", without explicitly saying it, which I presume is illegal. Although knowing how the USA works, probably not.

    He should have smashed that homophobic cunt's face into a bloody pulp.


    He should've pulled out the photos of his kids from his wallet, said "I'm sure you'll agree that strong families form the foundation for a healthy society" and got the job. Like a real man would. While the face smasher goes back to his parents' basement (or probably mom's, since the father is out of the picture...probably somewhere in England where the illegitimate births are up to about 95%) and smoked dope.
  • TimG 2010-10-19 13:15
    As a freelance web designer and developer, I end up re-hashing the interview process with potential clients pretty frequently as we figure out if we're a good fit for each other. While still learning the ropes, I went through my fair share of terrible clients, and now that I've got some experience under my belt, I feel pretty keyed in to who I do and do not want to work for, and am pretty strict about turning down gigs that sound fishy.

    Most of the time, you can pick up on not-so-kosher job ads right away. But the one interview that really hammered home the importance of due diligence still stands out in my mind.

    Without Remy leaving remarks in the comments, I guess Alex decided he should just leave part of the story there.
  • Q 2010-10-19 13:16
    TRWTF is all you punks hating on anyone who's ever been to jail.

    WTF makes you all think every person who's ever been incarcerated will just up and steal data and wreck businesses, or make welding mistakes. The two aren't related.

    Discriminatory losers.
  • Mark 2010-10-19 13:22
    wtf:
    THRWTF is the phrase "man up". How did this pseudo-macho idiocy become legitimized as English, and how can we make people stop using it?
    Worse yet, in the Times the other day, someone one quoted asserting that a certain politician needed to "leader up". I didn't read any further, as I'd clawed out my eyes to stop the burning.


    You need to man up and stop being such a baby.
  • boog 2010-10-19 13:23
    Q:
    WTF makes you all think every person who's ever been incarcerated will just up and steal data and wreck businesses, or make welding mistakes. The two aren't related.

    So you'd trust someone who was incarcerated for computer fraud to work in IT at your company?

    When you reply, keep in mind that my earlier post mentions that we did hire someone who was previously incarcerated to work in IT (although I don't believe he was incarcerated for computer fraud).
  • Design Pattern 2010-10-19 13:24
    Q:

    WTF makes you all think every person who's ever been incarcerated will just up (...) and wreck businesses, (...) The two aren't related.

    Sometimes they are not. Sometimes they are!

    TRWTF is Akismet: Second try.
  • Anonymous 2010-10-19 13:26
    jasmine2501:
    Yes, all of those questions are illegal - not illegal to ask though. You can ask anything you want in an interview, but there's a whole class of stuff you aren't supposed to use to make the hiring decision. However, if you asked it, the assumption is that you're going to use the information, and that it might influence your decision in some subtle way even if it's not 'officially' used in a hiring decision. You are much better off not asking. And yes, if someone asked me any of those questions they would be hearing from a lawyer.

    You'd honestly try to litigate? That's ridiculous, I'd just move on to the next interview and forget about it. What would be the charge? Would you try to sue them for money or what? Forgive me, I don't really understand the US culture of litigation, but I don't see you could legitimately claim for compensation so what's the point? What's your endgame?
  • anonymous 2010-10-19 13:28
    jasmine2501:
    Yes, all of those questions are illegal - not illegal to ask though. You can ask anything you want in an interview, but there's a whole class of stuff you aren't supposed to use to make the hiring decision. However, if you asked it, the assumption is that you're going to use the information, and that it might influence your decision in some subtle way even if it's not 'officially' used in a hiring decision. You are much better off not asking. And yes, if someone asked me any of those questions they would be hearing from a lawyer.

    Unless it is relevant - if you're hiring for a "motherhood training instructor" - it's perfectly ok to make sure she has some kids.


    The CFO probably wanted to know if the applicant would fit in and went about it in a wrong way. Keeping a good office dynamic is important, especially in smaller companies.

    Everyone go crazy and sue though.
  • anonymous 2010-10-19 13:29
    Anonymous:
    jasmine2501:
    Yes, all of those questions are illegal - not illegal to ask though. You can ask anything you want in an interview, but there's a whole class of stuff you aren't supposed to use to make the hiring decision. However, if you asked it, the assumption is that you're going to use the information, and that it might influence your decision in some subtle way even if it's not 'officially' used in a hiring decision. You are much better off not asking. And yes, if someone asked me any of those questions they would be hearing from a lawyer.

    You'd honestly try to litigate? That's ridiculous, I'd just move on to the next interview and forget about it. What would be the charge? Would you try to sue them for money or what? Forgive me, I don't really understand the US culture of litigation, but I don't see you could legitimately claim for compensation so what's the point? What's your endgame?

    I made the reply below yours, but I think to answer your question:
    laziness - people don't want to work and getting money from a lawsuite is easier
  • GalacticCowboy 2010-10-19 13:32
    That's not "family-friendly" - that's family-ecstatic!
  • tinny 2010-10-19 13:34
    Q:
    TRWTF is all you punks hating on anyone who's ever been to jail.

    WTF makes you all think every person who's ever been incarcerated will just up and steal data and wreck businesses, or make welding mistakes. The two aren't related.

    Discriminatory losers.

    To an extent I agree with you. But when selecting candidates, employers only have a potential employee's track record to base their decision on.

    Normally, a CV ('resume' for the septics) is used to demonstrate achievements and employment history etc...
    Whilst they may have served their punishment, you simply cannot ignore the fact that if a candidate has spent time at Her Majesty's pleasure, then that shows that they've (at least once) broken the law.
    Someone with a good track record, or someone else with a less than good track record- Who do you employ?
  • Bashy McGee 2010-10-19 13:35
    I'm fairly certain that battery is frowned upon a bit more harshly than breaches of EEO hiring practices.
  • Shoruke 2010-10-19 13:37
    Q:
    TRWTF is all you punks hating on anyone who's ever been to jail.

    WTF makes you all think every person who's ever been incarcerated will just up and steal data and wreck businesses, or make welding mistakes. The two aren't related.

    Discriminatory losers.


    You know what? You're absolutely right. It was very wrong of us to say that people who have been to jail would be more likely to steal sensitive information when given free access to a company's system, even when the case in point is a programmer who is currently in jail, for money issues, and asking for access to a company's system so he can get out of jail.

    </sarcasm></lies></jibe>
  • imgx64 2010-10-19 13:37
    Can someone please type the handwritten letter? I can't read cursive for my life, it looks like gibberish to me.
  • wtf 2010-10-19 13:40
    anonymous:
    Anonymous:
    jasmine2501:
    Yes, all of those questions are illegal - not illegal to ask though. You can ask anything you want in an interview, but there's a whole class of stuff you aren't supposed to use to make the hiring decision. However, if you asked it, the assumption is that you're going to use the information, and that it might influence your decision in some subtle way even if it's not 'officially' used in a hiring decision. You are much better off not asking. And yes, if someone asked me any of those questions they would be hearing from a lawyer.

    You'd honestly try to litigate? That's ridiculous, I'd just move on to the next interview and forget about it. What would be the charge? Would you try to sue them for money or what? Forgive me, I don't really understand the US culture of litigation, but I don't see you could legitimately claim for compensation so what's the point? What's your endgame?

    I made the reply below yours, but I think to answer your question:
    laziness - people don't want to work and getting money from a lawsuite is easier


    Typically, no, it's not. It takes a long time and the legal costs are substantial. However, since employment discrimination is illegal in the US, a lawyer approaching a company with the threat of a lawsuit and reasonably solid prima facie evidence of discriminatory questioning stands a reasonable chance of getting some sort of settlement.
    This is actually a useful means of enforcement. A company wanting to avoid this sort of suit will be inclined to follow certain rules, such as not asking a potential employee questions not related to performance of the job, and there's no real cost to the state for the service.

    Sounds fair to me.
  • ctw 2010-10-19 13:46
    Shoruke:
    Heaven help the idiot employer who hires a criminal and doesn't make backups...


    Not making backups is a bad call regardless of how many criminals you have on staff.
  • boog 2010-10-19 13:50
    Anonymous:
    jasmine2501:
    Yes, all of those questions are illegal - not illegal to ask though. You can ask anything you want in an interview, but there's a whole class of stuff you aren't supposed to use to make the hiring decision. However, if you asked it, the assumption is that you're going to use the information, and that it might influence your decision in some subtle way even if it's not 'officially' used in a hiring decision. You are much better off not asking. And yes, if someone asked me any of those questions they would be hearing from a lawyer.

    You'd honestly try to litigate? That's ridiculous, I'd just move on to the next interview and forget about it. What would be the charge? Would you try to sue them for money or what? Forgive me, I don't really understand the US culture of litigation, but I don't see you could legitimately claim for compensation so what's the point? What's your endgame?

    True, a lawsuit wouldn't make a whole lot of sense here, at least not to me. They wouldn't hear from my lawyer, but I expect after I file some sort of complaint, the department of labor would probably be knocking down their door.
  • Jellineck 2010-10-19 13:51
    imgx64:
    Can someone please type the handwritten letter? I can't read cursive for my life, it looks like gibberish to me.


    Man up, Nancy.
  • Anonymous 2010-10-19 13:56
    Personally, I don't think I've ever heard anyone say "curriculum vitae", only "CV." Perhaps you Brits aren't smart enough to pronounce it?

    I keed, I keed.
  • mackenziema 2010-10-19 14:00
    Oddly enough, my wife was a "Parenthood Training Instructor", long before she had kids. (Psychology PhD)
  • Mark 2010-10-19 14:11
    mackenziema:
    Oddly enough, my wife was a "Parenthood Training Instructor", long before she had kids. (Psychology PhD)

    Was she any good?
  • Anonymous Coward 2010-10-19 14:16
    I have a great opening for someone to design a file system. (Applications from jail welcome.)
  • The Judge 2010-10-19 14:22
    Q:
    TRWTF is all you punks hating on anyone who's ever been to jail.

    WTF makes you all think every person who's ever been incarcerated will just up and steal data and wreck businesses, or make welding mistakes. The two aren't related.

    Discriminatory losers.

    TRWTF is people who have a rosy picture of prison.

    People are put in jail because they are unable to live within the rules of society. If someone breaks society's rules (and does it so that it warrants a penalty worse than simple probation or a fine), what makes you think they can exist within a business environment?
  • boog 2010-10-19 14:25
    The Judge:
    Q:
    TRWTF is all you punks hating on anyone who's ever been to jail.

    WTF makes you all think every person who's ever been incarcerated will just up and steal data and wreck businesses, or make welding mistakes. The two aren't related.

    Discriminatory losers.

    TRWTF is people who have a rosy picture of prison.

    People are put in jail because they are unable to live within the rules of society. If someone breaks society's rules (and does it so that it warrants a penalty worse than simple probation or a fine), what makes you think they can exist within a business environment?

    Personally, when I see those guys in orange jumpsuits on the side of the freeway, I try to hit them with whatever beverage I have on-hand. Try it! It's fun, and as long as it's not hot coffee, it's not even against the law!
  • kindall 2010-10-19 14:26
    Anonymous:
    You'd honestly try to litigate? That's ridiculous, I'd just move on to the next interview and forget about it. What would be the charge? Would you try to sue them for money or what? Forgive me, I don't really understand the US culture of litigation, but I don't see you could legitimately claim for compensation so what's the point? What's your endgame?
    If the job is otherwise desirable (higher pay and better benefits, for example), and you were a good fit other than lacking a family, then of course you have standing to sue them. You were unfairly denied a job. This caused you to spend more time unemployed, or to have to take a lesser job, etc. That all has monetary value, and you can certainly get compensation for it, in theory anyway. (In practice, it can be hard to prove anything, but this seems very blatant.) Since it's against the law, they may also have to pay fines.

    The main benefit is not necessarily to you, but to others, since the company will be forced to change its hiring practices to be more fair to future applicants.
  • frits 2010-10-19 14:27
    boog:
    The Judge:
    Q:
    TRWTF is all you punks hating on anyone who's ever been to jail.

    WTF makes you all think every person who's ever been incarcerated will just up and steal data and wreck businesses, or make welding mistakes. The two aren't related.

    Discriminatory losers.

    TRWTF is people who have a rosy picture of prison.

    People are put in jail because they are unable to live within the rules of society. If someone breaks society's rules (and does it so that it warrants a penalty worse than simple probation or a fine), what makes you think they can exist within a business environment?

    Personally, when I see those guys in orange jumpsuits on the side of the freeway, I try to hit them with whatever beverage I have on-hand. Try it! It's fun, and as long as it's not hot coffee, it's not even against the law!

    Let my son know the next time you visit McDonalds. I've instructed him to urinate in your orange juice.
  • boog 2010-10-19 14:29
    frits:
    boog:
    The Judge:
    Q:
    TRWTF is all you punks hating on anyone who's ever been to jail.

    WTF makes you all think every person who's ever been incarcerated will just up and steal data and wreck businesses, or make welding mistakes. The two aren't related.

    Discriminatory losers.

    TRWTF is people who have a rosy picture of prison.

    People are put in jail because they are unable to live within the rules of society. If someone breaks society's rules (and does it so that it warrants a penalty worse than simple probation or a fine), what makes you think they can exist within a business environment?

    Personally, when I see those guys in orange jumpsuits on the side of the freeway, I try to hit them with whatever beverage I have on-hand. Try it! It's fun, and as long as it's not hot coffee, it's not even against the law!

    Let my son know the next time you visit McDonalds. I've instructed him to urinate in your orange juice.

    Actually, urine and bodily fluids are two more liquids that are not legal to throw on them.
  • Worf 2010-10-19 14:35
    Anonymous Coward:
    I have a great opening for someone to design a file system. (Applications from jail welcome.)


    I see you're looking for the killer file system.

    (I wonder how long until someone spills the reference)
  • dave 2010-10-19 14:41
    Legal in some states, illegal in others.
  • CodeNinja 2010-10-19 14:43
    Littering is too against the law!
  • amischiefr 2010-10-19 14:46
    anon:
    Regardless I'm reasonably certain that it's illegal to discriminate on hiring based on marital status.
    It is actually illegal just to ask the question. You are not allowed to ask if somebody is married, sexual preference, has children, nationality or religion.
  • PRMan 2010-10-19 14:48
    The Daily WTF:
    When it comes to commenting, I am the master!

    Actually, the irony is as thick as maple soup: he advertises (with a pencil, on lined paper) that he is a master of electronic data.


    You did get that he was in JAIL, right? Probably without access to computers as part of his sentence.
  • boog 2010-10-19 14:49
    frits:
    boog:
    The Judge:
    Q:
    TRWTF is all you punks hating on anyone who's ever been to jail.

    WTF makes you all think every person who's ever been incarcerated will just up and steal data and wreck businesses, or make welding mistakes. The two aren't related.

    Discriminatory losers.

    TRWTF is people who have a rosy picture of prison.

    People are put in jail because they are unable to live within the rules of society. If someone breaks society's rules (and does it so that it warrants a penalty worse than simple probation or a fine), what makes you think they can exist within a business environment?

    Personally, when I see those guys in orange jumpsuits on the side of the freeway, I try to hit them with whatever beverage I have on-hand. Try it! It's fun, and as long as it's not hot coffee, it's not even against the law!

    Let my son know the next time you visit McDonalds. I've instructed him to urinate in your orange juice.

    I'm on my way to work, while this guy gets to meander around all day in the sunshine. I figure covering him in sticky liquid is a good way to even the score.
  • Mr. S. 2010-10-19 14:54
    Worf:
    Anonymous Coward:
    I have a great opening for someone to design a file system. (Applications from jail welcome.)


    I see you're looking for the killer file system.

    (I wonder how long until someone spills the reference)


    I'm not sure they let you mess with the OS in prison. You might just have to write it in your journal
  • Franz Kafka 2010-10-19 14:58
    The Judge:
    Q:
    TRWTF is all you punks hating on anyone who's ever been to jail.

    WTF makes you all think every person who's ever been incarcerated will just up and steal data and wreck businesses, or make welding mistakes. The two aren't related.

    Discriminatory losers.

    TRWTF is people who have a rosy picture of prison.

    People are put in jail because they are unable to live within the rules of society. If someone breaks society's rules (and does it so that it warrants a penalty worse than simple probation or a fine), what makes you think they can exist within a business environment?


    For instance, getting behind on child support. So we stick them in jail, but don't reduce the child support unless they have money for a lawyer, so they're even more fucked.

    Then, when they get out, they get to deal with pontificating blowhards who wonder why they don't get a decent job already.
  • PRMan 2010-10-19 14:58
    boog:
    The Judge:
    Q:
    TRWTF is all you punks hating on anyone who's ever been to jail.

    WTF makes you all think every person who's ever been incarcerated will just up and steal data and wreck businesses, or make welding mistakes. The two aren't related.

    Discriminatory losers.

    TRWTF is people who have a rosy picture of prison.

    People are put in jail because they are unable to live within the rules of society. If someone breaks society's rules (and does it so that it warrants a penalty worse than simple probation or a fine), what makes you think they can exist within a business environment?

    Personally, when I see those guys in orange jumpsuits on the side of the freeway, I try to hit them with whatever beverage I have on-hand. Try it! It's fun, and as long as it's not hot coffee, it's not even against the law!


    Actually, hitting people with liquids without their consent can be assault. If you have followed the "Officer Bubbles" case, it is exactly about how ticky-tack the "assault" charge is for repeatedly hitting the officer with bubbles.
  • Bert Glanstron 2010-10-19 15:00
    To Whom it May Concern,

    I am currently incarcerated in the Ada County jail, where I was ordered to participate in the work release program until I have brought my FIDONet payments current. Before I can enter the program, however, I must first find a job. I saw your ad on thedailywtf.com for commenting specialist and would like to ask that I be considered for a position. As you will see from my resume, I have extensive experience managing a lawn care BBS. When it comes to FIDONet, I am the master! I have experience with the following:

    DOS
    ZMODEM
    WWIV
    FIDONet
    BBS
    VT100
    MUDs

    Position Objective
    I am interested in a position as a commenter, or any other position for which my skills would be applicable.

    Sincerely,
    Bert Glanstron
  • English Bob 2010-10-19 15:04
    The Judge:

    TRWTF is people who have a rosy picture of prison.

    People are put in jail because they are unable to live within the rules of society. If someone breaks society's rules (and does it so that it warrants a penalty worse than simple probation or a fine), what makes you think they can exist within a business environment?


    Yeah, some people just need locking up for the good of society.

  • Dave 2010-10-19 15:05
    TRWTF is having a child and not supporting that child. Maybe if more men took their responsibilities as fathers and men more seriously, we'd have fewer screwed up kids.
  • Dazed 2010-10-19 15:06
    tinny:

    Whilst they may have served their punishment, you simply cannot ignore the fact that if a candidate has spent time at Her Majesty's pleasure, then that shows that they've (at least once) broken the law.

    Firstly, that is not true, especially in the US where the legal system seems to be a lot more broken than most countries. Many innocent people have been executed there and many more imprisoned.

    But even ignoring that, surely a major question is what was he imprisoned for? If it was computer fraud, then your concerns are surely justified. If it was some other form of theft, then probably better to keep him away from the production financial systems, but maybe you can use him as a developer.

    But maybe he's just been put behind bars for possession of cannabis - something which in a sane society wouldn't be illegal in the first place. Are you going to refuse to consider him then?
  • Charles Boyung 2010-10-19 15:07
    DWalker59:
    "Family-Friendly" shouldn't mean that you are REQUIRED to have a family! How weird. Does he want to get together and compare notes on childbirth, sex techniques, etc.?

    Quote: "I don't think that word means what you think it means". (The word, of course, is "Inconceivable")


    And the WTF here is that you felt the need to put the content you did in parentheses. If someone doesn't know THAT, they aren't going to get the quote anyways.
  • Lego 2010-10-19 15:08
    Zaratustra:
    Keep in mind welder errors are usually self-correcting (by removing the welder or parts thereof), while a IT guy's mistake will only rarely burn said IT guy's arm off.


    Welders are also generally tested and certified by an independent 3rd party licensing body, and on critical projects their work is usually subject to 100% inspection (dye penetration, ultrasonic, x-ray, etc.)

    Having worked in both professions, I have significantly more confidence in most welders welds than in most programmer's code.

    -Lego
  • frits 2010-10-19 15:17
    Bert Glanstron:
    To Whom it May Concern,

    I am currently incarcerated in the Ada County jail, where I was ordered to participate in the work release program until I have brought my FIDONet payments current. Before I can enter the program, however, I must first find a job. I saw your ad on thedailywtf.com for commenting specialist and would like to ask that I be considered for a position. As you will see from my resume, I have extensive experience managing a lawn care BBS. When it comes to FIDONet, I am the master! I have experience with the following:

    DOS
    ZMODEM
    WWIV
    FIDONet
    BBS
    VT100
    MUDs

    Position Objective
    I am interested in a position as a commenter, or any other position for which my skills would be applicable.

    Sincerely,
    Bert Glanstron

    So now we know!
  • boog 2010-10-19 15:19
    frits (unregistered):
    boog (unregistered):

    Personally, when I see those guys in orange jumpsuits on the side of the freeway, I try to hit them with whatever beverage I have on-hand. Try it! It's fun, and as long as it's not hot coffee, it's not even against the law!

    Let my son know the next time you visit McDonalds. I've instructed him to urinate in your orange juice.

    It's times like these I wish I didn't have this impostor lurking about. My orange juice tasted horrible this morning.
  • PHB 2010-10-19 15:21
    Dazed:

    he's just been put behind bars for possession of cannabis. Are you going to refuse to consider him then?

    Absolutely. Only a fool would hire a person with a history of abusing drugs or alcohol. As a side note, Barack Obamas is proof that most American voters are idiots.
  • Billy The Squid 2010-10-19 15:34
    Franz Kafka:
    The Judge:
    Q:
    TRWTF is all you punks hating on anyone who's ever been to jail.

    WTF makes you all think every person who's ever been incarcerated will just up and steal data and wreck businesses, or make welding mistakes. The two aren't related.

    Discriminatory losers.

    TRWTF is people who have a rosy picture of prison.

    People are put in jail because they are unable to live within the rules of society. If someone breaks society's rules (and does it so that it warrants a penalty worse than simple probation or a fine), what makes you think they can exist within a business environment?


    For instance, getting behind on child support. So we stick them in jail, but don't reduce the child support unless they have money for a lawyer, so they're even more fucked.

    Then, when they get out, they get to deal with pontificating blowhards who wonder why they don't get a decent job already.


    There's also the idea that being charged with a crime doesn't necessarily allow the individual the freedom to return to work on a regular schedule - unless they can be bailed out / have the terms of their release set, they reside "within the system", often being transported to and from the courthouse to the holding facility (jail).

    If they are bailed out and allowed free, they're treated as guilty, and are often "relieved" of their job sooner or later - whether legally or not, it happens.

    Even the innocent can end up in jail waiting for "the system" to prove they did not do anything wrong / illegal. In the meantime, they're screwed. When it's over and done with, many have no job to go back to - if you could only go to work 2-3 days a week for a month while you were dealing with legal issues, would you find that your position were suddenly no longer available to you, as you couldn't complete your required duties in the time allotted? You're now a statistic.


    Good friend of mine was charged with assault. His girlfriend was mad at him at one point, called the cops to "teach him a lesson", and while dealing with it all, he lost his job. Set him up to fail once people found out he was charged with "domestic assault" and "abuse" (it was all a crock, she was eventually proven to have lied, got a fine, slap on the wrist).. He didn't want to stay there with "Accusing eyes" in all his co-workers, and quite honestly, i can't say I blame him. I'd probably have a lawyer involved, but I did buy him a bottle of scotch to celebrate when he got his final judgement (and hers), taking it to his old employer and shoving it in their faces.

    He said they gave him a gift basket of congratulations (on being honest all along?), which was CLEARLY more of a "sorry", but he never told me what was in it or if they gave him additional compensation.


    While he was looking for work, he told me something interesting: Employers didn't ask him "Have you been convicted", part of the screening was "Have you been charged with an offense". I heard it all every week. Glad he's employed somewhere decent... Good guy.
  • da Doctah 2010-10-19 15:45
    amischiefr:
    anon:
    Regardless I'm reasonably certain that it's illegal to discriminate on hiring based on marital status.
    It is actually illegal just to ask the question. You are not allowed to ask if somebody is married, sexual preference, has children, nationality or religion.

    I don't mind admitting it: yes, I have nationality.
  • ÃÆâ€â„ 2010-10-19 15:45
    Remy Martin:
    Are you married?
    No, but I'm sure it's coming soon.
    What does that mean?
    I'm waiting for them to legalize it in my state.

    Dear Remy Martin,

    In case you can't tell, this is a grown-up place. The
    fact that you insist on legalizing your marriage in your state
    clearly shows you're too young and too stupid to be
    getting married.

    Go away and grow up.

    Sincerely,
    ÃÆâ€â„
  • frits 2010-10-19 15:49
    ÃÆâ€â„:
    Remy Martin:
    Are you married?
    No, but I'm sure it's coming soon.
    What does that mean?
    I'm waiting for them to legalize it in my state.

    Dear Remy Martin,

    In case you can't tell, this is a grown-up place. The
    fact that you insist on legalizing your marriage in your state
    clearly shows you're too young and too stupid to be
    getting married.

    Go away and grow up.

    Sincerely,
    ÃÆâ€â„

    marriage is gay
  • Anonymous 2010-10-19 15:50
    ÃÆâ€â„:
    Remy Martin:
    Are you married?
    No, but I'm sure it's coming soon.
    What does that mean?
    I'm waiting for them to legalize it in my state.

    Dear Remy Martin,

    In case you can't tell, this is a grown-up place. The
    fact that you insist on legalizing your marriage in your state
    clearly shows you're too young and too stupid to be
    getting married.

    Go away and man up.

    Sincerely,
    ÃÆâ€â„
  • drachenstern 2010-10-19 15:52
    Mr. S.:
    Worf:
    Anonymous Coward:
    I have a great opening for someone to design a file system. (Applications from jail welcome.)
    I see you're looking for the killer file system.
    (I wonder how long until someone spills the reference)
    I'm not sure they let you mess with the OS in prison. You might just have to write it in your journal
    this is a tricky game ... Also I don't think I'm clever enough to get away with asking if I could write the code outside in the yard on the risers.

    I'ld probably end up getting OJ with urine thrown in my face ... :p

    -----

    Ok, that one wasn't very clever, so instead I'll skip pretending to be clever enough to talk about tail-packing because then I really will look like a fool.
  • da Doctah 2010-10-19 15:56
    Q: "Do you have family?"

    A1: "Why, you crafty little sumbitch! I just *knew* you found me attractive!"

    A2: "That depends on your definition. Would twenty-eight cats be considered a family?"

    A3: "Not if you believe the terms of the restraining order."

    A4: "Of course not! I'm in IT!"

    A5: "Not any more." (sobbing) "They never found any pieces bigger than a pencil eraser!"
  • Kef Schecter 2010-10-19 16:01
    Matt:
    The point is what the person can steal, not just how badly they can screw up. Imagine hiring a felon to your worksite. One day he gets fed up and steals some tools worth a few hundred bucks and never shows up again.


    Package-deal fallacy much? Who says that being a criminal or even a felon makes you more likely to steal? (If you're convicted for stealing, yeah. But what if it was for something completely unrelated?)
  • ÃÆâ€â„ 2010-10-19 16:10
    Anonymous:
    ÃÆâ€â„:
    Remy Martin:
    Are you married?
    No, but I'm sure it's coming soon.
    What does that mean?
    I'm waiting for them to legalize it in my state.

    Dear Remy Martin,

    In case you can't tell, this is a grown-up place. The
    fact that you insist on legalizing your marriage in your state
    clearly shows you're too young and too stupid to be
    getting married.

    Go away and man up.

    Sincerely,
    ÃÆâ€â„

    FTFY

    FTFY
  • OldCoder 2010-10-19 16:12
    ctw:
    Shoruke:
    Heaven help the idiot employer who hires a criminal and doesn't make backups...


    Not making backups is a bad call regardless of how many criminals you have on staff.

    Criminals? Oh, them! They're the management.
  • frits 2010-10-19 16:18
    boog:
    frits (unregistered):
    boog (unregistered):

    Personally, when I see those guys in orange jumpsuits on the side of the freeway, I try to hit them with whatever beverage I have on-hand. Try it! It's fun, and as long as it's not hot coffee, it's not even against the law!

    Let my son know the next time you visit McDonalds. I've instructed him to urinate in your orange juice.

    It's times like these I wish I didn't have this impostor lurking about. My orange juice tasted horrible this morning.


    I'm pretty sure that guy is responsible for about 50% of the article comments anymore.
  • One Letter Off 2010-10-19 16:31
    frits:
    boog:
    frits:
    boog:

    Personally, when I see those guys in orange jumpsuits on the side of the freeway, I try to hit them with whatever beverage I have on-hand. Try it! It's fun, and as long as it's not hot coffee, it's not even against the law!

    Let my son know the next time you visit McDonalds. I've instructed him to urinate in your orange juice.

    It's times like these I wish I didn't have this impostor lurking about. My orange juice tasted horrible this morning.


    I'm pretty sure that gay is responsible for about 50% of the article comments anymore.

    FTFY
  • gil 2010-10-19 16:32
    Dazed:
    But maybe he's just been put behind bars for possession of cannabis - something which in a sane society wouldn't be illegal in the first place. Are you going to refuse to consider him then?

    Suppose you have some coding style/standards at work. Would you be sure he wouldn't violate them? After all, he already violated some laws he didn't consider useful...
  • Larry 2010-10-19 16:33
    TRWTF is he went ahead and asked about kids after the guy already said he wasn't married.
  • Schnapple 2010-10-19 16:35
    Dave:
    TRWTF is having a child and not supporting that child. Maybe if more men took their responsibilities as fathers and men more seriously, we'd have fewer screwed up kids.

    While it may not apply in this situation (19 mostly 1-2 month jobs in 9 years says a lot), I'm going to go to bat and say that it's entirely possible for someone to fall behind on their child support payments because they've been laid off. The courts are very unforgiving about this, depending on what state you're in (thinking in terms of the USA here). I've read reports of people who have been laid off, been without work for months due to a crappy economy, and been told by the courts that it doesn't matter - they had better find some way to shit the money or they're going to jail. Nevermind that they're broke and can demonstrate how they've been laid off. Nevermind that the mother has gone on to marry someone financially secure so the child is in no danger.

    That said, the reason the courts are so harsh in this area is that it would be entirely possible, and easy, to just get yourself fired and then draw welfare and have no way to support your kids. Some would rather do that than give money to their ex which they hate.
  • Darth Inmate 2010-10-19 16:35
    EDI...when last we met, I was but the inmate, now I am the master!
  • gil 2010-10-19 16:36
    Billy The Squid:
    His girlfriend was mad at him at one point, called the cops to "teach him a lesson", and while dealing with it all, he lost his job. Set him up to fail once people found out he was charged with "domestic assault" and "abuse" (it was all a crock, she was eventually proven to have lied, got a fine, slap on the wrist)..

    Couldn't he sue her for compensation for lost income?
  • Disgruntled Former Employee 2010-10-19 16:38
    Schnapple:
    Dave:
    TRWTF is having a child and not supporting that child. Maybe if more men took their responsibilities as fathers and men more seriously, we'd have fewer screwed up kids.

    While it may not apply in this situation (19 mostly 1-2 month jobs in 9 years says a lot), I'm going to go to bat and say that it's entirely possible for someone to fall behind on their child support payments because they've been laid off. The courts are very unforgiving about this, depending on what state you're in (thinking in terms of the USA here). I've read reports of people who have been laid off, been without work for months due to a crappy economy, and been told by the courts that it doesn't matter - they had better find some way to shit the money or they're going to jail. Nevermind that they're broke and can demonstrate how they've been laid off. Nevermind that the mother has gone on to marry someone financially secure so the child is in no danger.

    That said, the reason the courts are so harsh in this area is that it would be entirely possible, and easy, to just get yourself fired and then draw welfare and have no way to support your kids. Some would rather do that than give money to their ex which they hate.

    Meanwhile, their ex who is also on welfare is getting extra state dollars because she has custody of the kid. That's good, because she needs the extra money to buy cigarettes. No need to use that money for groceries because the kid can eat at school for free.
  • Pants 2010-10-19 16:40
    Larry:
    TRWTF is prison.


    TRWTF is going to prison for being poor. The article even mentions that he's in jail because he can't pay child support. What a terrible person. How dare he not have money. We'll fix that by locking him up until he has some.

    The other WTF is the commenters talking about how a guy jailed for not paying child support is probably going to steal or blow shit up.
  • gil 2010-10-19 16:43
    Pants:
    The article even mentions that he's in jail because he can't pay child support.

    The article doesn't actually mention that. The article mentions that he *doesn't* pay child support.
  • Herby 2010-10-19 16:46
    Yes, hiring and interviews.
    I interviewed for a company that had big ideas and wanted some help in developing their product. It was to be shown on TV and all that (they even produced a TV ad). Well it all sounded good, and I was going through an agency who was passing on offers to me. They were a small startup, and the "original" software was a bunch of scripts that ran on an embedded Linux box (it wasn't too bad but did have some limitations. I had some experience on the hardware platform (Mini-ITX, which works quite well) they had prototyped it on, but I also understood the cost ratios of equipment to selling price and wondered how they were going to sell it for the price point they had selected. Also it was to be a consumer product, and I asked a relative how they presently do the task they were about to simplify, and she replied that it was pretty easy with her current PC hardware, and that her 5 year old daughter (at the time) could do the task at hand. So, with my market research (OK product, but terrible market), I said I was interested. Then I got the offer, and at $48k (I suspect that people right out of high school could get this), I politely declined. They said that there would be a raise "immediately" as they didn't want to pay the agency too much of a fee. The next counter offer was $60k (a little bit better, but I was making $40/hr ($80k by my rough calculation), and I declined that as well. Lastly they wanted me as a consultant, and I declined that as well, feeling that they weren't going to be in business for very long and being paid would be a BIG hassle.

    At last check, they still have their web site up (I just checked) and even have a big testimonial from a celebrity as well. I don't see the item outside of the web site (I kept an eye out), so I don't believe there are much in sales. So, it was for the best.

    *SIGH* a simple lesson, learned (thankfully NOT the hard way!).
  • Comrade Wayne 2010-10-19 16:56
    gil:
    Pants:
    The article even mentions that he's in jail because he can't pay child support.

    The article doesn't actually mention that. The article mentions that he *doesn't* pay child support.

    In Soviet Russia, child supports you!

    Seriously, in Russia we take care of this the right way. You can't support your kid, it gets taken away.
  • boog 2010-10-19 17:01
    frits:
    boog:
    frits (unregistered):
    boog (unregistered):

    <snip/>

    <snip/>

    It's times like these I wish I didn't have this impostor lurking about.

    I'm pretty sure that guy is responsible for about 50% of the article comments anymore.

    That guy, or he and a circle of approximately 3 other guys all in the same high school computer lab.
  • Paul F 2010-10-19 17:02
    Anonymous:
    jasmine2501:
    Yes, all of those questions are illegal - not illegal to ask though. You can ask anything you want in an interview, but there's a whole class of stuff you aren't supposed to use to make the hiring decision. However, if you asked it, the assumption is that you're going to use the information, and that it might influence your decision in some subtle way even if it's not 'officially' used in a hiring decision. You are much better off not asking. And yes, if someone asked me any of those questions they would be hearing from a lawyer.

    You'd honestly try to litigate? That's ridiculous, I'd just move on to the next interview and forget about it. What would be the charge? Would you try to sue them for money or what? Forgive me, I don't really understand the US culture of litigation, but I don't see you could legitimately claim for compensation so what's the point? What's your endgame?


    As HR at our company taught us, if you are publicly traded and 3 years later your stock shoots up, a person who feels improper factors used in the hiring decision was made could target you. In the US, it is a Bad Idea to leave any sort of opportunity for litigation. Even if the grounds are bogus, often it is cheaper to settle than to let it go to court.

    This particular example is very egregious and you could be successfully sued for discriminating on marital status, and in some states (sadly only a handful), sexual orientation. The company in this story would actually deserve that.

    Individually, yes, it would be ridiculous for me, the competent applicant, to just move on. However, as a company, you need to be very careful to minimize your attack surface for the opportunists.
  • Someone 2010-10-19 17:13
    Q:
    TRWTF is all you punks hating on anyone who's ever been to jail.

    The best way to ensure that criminals have an incentive to reform is to guarantee that they will never be able to gain employment again. Because if they do get a job then they're immediately going to steal everything they can, but as long as they're unemployed they will have no reason or opportunity to steal.

    This is simple logic, as understood by every "strong on crime" politician promising to make the world safer for innocent babies.


    Q:
    WTF makes you all think every person who's ever been incarcerated will just up and steal data and wreck businesses, or make welding mistakes. The two aren't related.

    Well, if you had a choice between hiring a criminal and hiring a law-abiding author of the worst of the WTFs to show up on this site, wouldn't you want to hire the law abiding citizen?
  • Dave 2010-10-19 17:13
    Pants:
    Larry:
    TRWTF is prison.


    TRWTF is going to prison for being poor. The article even mentions that he's in jail because he can't pay child support. What a terrible person. How dare he not have money. We'll fix that by locking him up until he has some.

    The other WTF is the commenters talking about how a guy jailed for not paying child support is probably going to steal or blow shit up.


    I agree that getting sent to the pokey for non-payment of child support hardly qualifies you as a hardened criminal. However, if I were hiring someone for an IT gig, the liability of hiring someone who came to you via Dice.com (Jail Edition) would weigh on my mind. If you hire someone who steals all of your customer data, that's bad. But imagine the field day the lawyers would have if they found out you hired someone who sent you a resume from jail. As a hiring manager, unless there was some amazing talent that this person brought to the table, the cons (ahem) would outweigh the pros.
  • frits 2010-10-19 17:16
    LOL at "Dice.com (Jail Edition)"
  • Parker Bros. 2010-10-19 17:19
    boog:
    frits:
    boog:
    frits (unregistered):
    boog (unregistered):

    <snip/>

    <snip/>

    It's times like these I wish I didn't have this impostor lurking about.

    I'm pretty sure that guy is responsible for about 50% of the article comments anymore.

    That guy, or he and a circle of approximately 3 other guys all in the same high school computer lab.

    PMS much? Just because you're registered doesn't give you a monopoly on commonly-used handles. We all know the difference, as it is indicated by "(unregistered)" next to their names.
  • gilhad 2010-10-19 17:27
    Larry:
    TRWTF is he went ahead and asked about kids after the guy already said he wasn't married.


    I live with my GF and we are not married. We talked about having childs, but we decided not to. But having child is possible even without being married. We live together for more then 10 years like that and we will live so untill the death will separate us. We just think we do not need papers confirming our love signed by state authority. Especially when you can recall such papers later and divorce if you wish so. So no guaranties from state anyhow.
  • ÃÆâ€â„ 2010-10-19 17:28
    Disgruntled Former Employee:
    Schnapple:
    Dave:
    TRWTF is having a child and not supporting that child. Maybe if more men took their responsibilities as fathers and men more seriously, we'd have fewer screwed up kids.

    While it may not apply in this situation (19 mostly 1-2 month jobs in 9 years says a lot), I'm going to go to bat and say that it's entirely possible for someone to fall behind on their child support payments because they've been laid off. The courts are very unforgiving about this, depending on what state you're in (thinking in terms of the USA here). I've read reports of people who have been laid off, been without work for months due to a crappy economy, and been told by the courts that it doesn't matter - they had better find some way to shit the money or they're going to jail. Nevermind that they're broke and can demonstrate how they've been laid off. Nevermind that the mother has gone on to marry someone financially secure so the child is in no danger.

    That said, the reason the courts are so harsh in this area is that it would be entirely possible, and easy, to just get yourself fired and then draw welfare and have no way to support your kids. Some would rather do that than give money to their ex which they hate.

    Meanwhile, their ex who is also on welfare is getting extra state dollars because she has custody of the kid. That's good, because she needs the extra money to buy cigarettes. No need to use that money for groceries because the kid can eat at school for free.

    Clearly the way to solve this is more welfare. Let's just give everyone 10 years of unemployment compensation, and let them choose installment payments or one lump sum payment.
  • boog 2010-10-19 17:33
    Parker Bros.:
    PMS much?

    No, I'm fine, but you go ahead:
    Parker Bros.:
    Just because you're registered doesn't give you a monopoly on commonly-used handles. We all know the difference, as it is indicated by "(unregistered)" next to their names.

    Lighten up there, scooter. If you'd actually read the discussion to which you're replying, nobody is claiming any rights on commonly-used handles. I made mention of my impostor, but if you go back and read my full comment, you'd see it was nothing more than a harmless joke.
  • Nick 2010-10-19 17:43
    I think the guy just wanted to make sure his employees have families and won't browse porn and jerk off on their workplace
  • Spike 2010-10-19 17:45
    Billy The Squid:
    ... Employers didn't ask him "Have you been convicted", part of the screening was "Have you been charged with an offense".


    I gotta call bullshit on this, every employment application i have ever filled out in my life has it worded with "convicted." Never once have i found it the other way.
  • phreno 2010-10-19 17:56
    An English Gentleman:
    JJ:
    Inb4 some European comments with "TRWTF is calling it a résumé instead of a CV!"

    I'm not going to be the first to say it but since you mentioned it, don't you think it's weird that we use a latin term and you use... a French term??!! I thought the yanks hated the French and everything about them? Freedom Fries and all that rubbish? Plus there's another bonus to using a latin term - you sound smart saying it. You guys love to make yourselves sound smarter than you really are, right?

    </troll> - at least I'm honest about it!
    *sigh*

    It seems that half of the comments on here are explaining English language constructs to... An English Gentleman?!?

    Ok, here goes: The usage is ironic, because it's a French word describing work history. Get it? Those wacky cheese-eating surrender monkeys don't work, for crissakes! The whole fucking country shuts down for several months two or three times a year, and the only reason anyone can get it up to organize any significant effort is to riot for some more of that internet money, guy.

    Except the Cheesemakers. They kick ass.

    But then, they're really cultural descendants of nomadic Arabs. Minus the trying to blow you up parts.

    Much in the same way that English Gentlemen are really cultural descendants of Normands.

    You know, the French.
  • Nick 2010-10-19 18:05
    >> Except the Cheesemakers. They kick ass.

    And those who make the wines and cognacs :)
  • Schnapple 2010-10-19 18:15
    gilhad:
    Larry:
    TRWTF is he went ahead and asked about kids after the guy already said he wasn't married.


    I live with my GF and we are not married. We talked about having childs, but we decided not to. But having child is possible even without being married. We live together for more then 10 years like that and we will live so untill the death will separate us. We just think we do not need papers confirming our love signed by state authority. Especially when you can recall such papers later and divorce if you wish so. So no guaranties from state anyhow.


    I think he was commenting on how "family friendly" is often synonymous with "family values" and how a number of people who insist on "family values" often have beliefs that are incompatible with the concept of having a child out of wedlock.

    But yeah the insistence on kids/children to be considered for employment is just weird. The desire for the person to have procreated, regardless of martial status, is just sort of creepy.
  • phreno 2010-10-19 18:18
    Nick:
    >> Except the Cheesemakers. They kick ass.

    And those who make the wines and cognacs :)
    Yeah, I was gonna toss a nod to the fermenters, but considering the generally haughty attitude and the fact that Washington makes a better Pinot and Oregon makes a better Cab, I figured I'd revoke their license to fonz...

    Still, a nice Beaujolais is nice.

    XD
  • Client 2010-10-19 18:31
    DaveK:
    How to reply to assholes:

    "We expect all of our employees to have a family, and since you don't now, I need to know when you plan on having one."

    "Hey, could be any day now, since I started banging your wife!" <walks out>


    I'd much rather do this:

    "We expect all of our employees to have a family, and since you don't now, I need to know when you plan on having one."

    "Oh, of course. I left my personal planner at home. Do you think you could send me a letter with these questions and I can fax the response back to you? Great, what's your fax number here?"

    <one week later>

    "From the Law Offices of Black, Black, and White...

    The letter you sent violates...

    ... our client is willing to settle this matter out of court for $250,000 ..."
  • Ajtacka 2010-10-19 18:36
    Comrade Wayne:
    gil:
    Pants:
    The article even mentions that he's in jail because he can't pay child support.

    The article doesn't actually mention that. The article mentions that he *doesn't* pay child support.

    In Soviet Russia, child supports you!

    Seriously, in Russia we take care of this the right way. You can't support your kid, it gets taken away.

    How is that the right way? Sure, take a kid from a poor but loving family, dump them in a childrens' home with neglected, abused or otherwise problem children. Spend much more on 'raising' that child than the average parent spends on their kid. Then, when the kid grows up, spend even more money keeping the now-adult locked up because they never learned how to function properly outside of an institution.

    Or, you know, help the parent find work that pays enough to raise the kid properly, and in the meantime use some of the money that would've gone to the home, and help the parent out a little.
  • ÃÆâ€â„ 2010-10-19 18:45
    Ajtacka:

    How is that the right way?

    You get rich American couples to adopt them, that's how. All the first-generation young Russians I know that live in the US either defected with their parents or were adopted. If you can't defect, put your child in an orphanage and hope for the best.
  • Your Name * 2010-10-19 18:54
    Franz Kafka:
    The Judge:
    Q:
    TRWTF is all you punks hating on anyone who's ever been to jail.

    WTF makes you all think every person who's ever been incarcerated will just up and steal data and wreck businesses, or make welding mistakes. The two aren't related.

    Discriminatory losers.

    TRWTF is people who have a rosy picture of prison.

    People are put in jail because they are unable to live within the rules of society. If someone breaks society's rules (and does it so that it warrants a penalty worse than simple probation or a fine), what makes you think they can exist within a business environment?


    For instance, getting behind on child support. So we stick them in jail, but don't reduce the child support unless they have money for a lawyer, so they're even more fucked.

    Then, when they get out, they get to deal with pontificating blowhards who wonder why they don't get a decent job already.


    I remember reading a great case a few years back where a man who was more than likely on the way to debtors prison went to court to appeal and get his child support payments lowered (they were consuming 95% of his income) and the judge increased his payments instead of lowering him, telling him to not be lazy and get another job (he already had three).

    So not everyone is just being an irresponsible jackass. Sometimes the system fails. *shock horror*
  • Maurits 2010-10-19 18:58
    I think we need Alice's Restaurant as the background music to today's WTF.
  • Steve-O 2010-10-19 18:58
    gilhad:
    Larry:
    TRWTF is he went ahead and asked about kids after the guy already said he wasn't married.


    I live with my GF and we are not married. We talked about having childs, but we decided not to. But having child is possible even without being married. We live together for more then 10 years like that and we will live so untill the death will separate us. We just think we do not need papers confirming our love signed by state authority. Especially when you can recall such papers later and divorce if you wish so. So no guaranties from state anyhow.


    But if you have sex/kids out of wed-lock, God hates you. It's true. He told me.
  • BabbyFormer 2010-10-19 19:00
    gilhad:
    Larry:
    TRWTF is he went ahead and asked about kids after the guy already said he wasn't married.
    I live with my GF and we are not married. We talked about having childs, but we decided not to. But having child is possible even without being married.
    You is now how is babby formed?
  • Franz Kafka 2010-10-19 19:19
    gilhad:
    Larry:
    TRWTF is he went ahead and asked about kids after the guy already said he wasn't married.


    I live with my GF and we are not married. We talked about having childs, but we decided not to. But having child is possible even without being married. We live together for more then 10 years like that and we will live so untill the death will separate us. We just think we do not need papers confirming our love signed by state authority. Especially when you can recall such papers later and divorce if you wish so. So no guaranties from state anyhow.


    Let me put this as kindly as possible: you're a goddamned idiot if you're planning to stay with this woman for the duration but not get married. What happens if you go to the hospital? You aren't family, she won't be making those decisions. If you die, she's out on her ass, even if you both pay the mortgage. Seriously, what the hell?
  • Your Name * 2010-10-19 19:23
    gil:
    Billy The Squid:
    His girlfriend was mad at him at one point, called the cops to "teach him a lesson", and while dealing with it all, he lost his job. Set him up to fail once people found out he was charged with "domestic assault" and "abuse" (it was all a crock, she was eventually proven to have lied, got a fine, slap on the wrist)..

    Couldn't he sue her for compensation for lost income?


    Actually that can be quite hard...
    Not the proving the loss of income, etc.
    He was proven "not guilty" in court of the assault, it never said the assault didn't happen. This along with some messed up protection laws that have gotten out of hand, can in some states, prevent the defendant from suing for damages on the off chance he really did assault her and just wasn't caught for it.

    Though, it is a different matter if it was (somehow) proven to have been impossible for the assault to have taken place.
  • dkf 2010-10-19 19:27
    tinny:
    … if a candidate has spent time at Her Majesty's pleasure, then …
    I'm pretty sure Her Majesty doesn't pleasure anyone in Idaho.
  • dkf 2010-10-19 19:38
    Franz Kafka:
    gilhad:
    I live with my GF and we are not married. We talked about having childs, but we decided not to. But having child is possible even without being married. We live together for more then 10 years like that and we will live so untill the death will separate us. We just think we do not need papers confirming our love signed by state authority. Especially when you can recall such papers later and divorce if you wish so. So no guaranties from state anyhow.
    Let me put this as kindly as possible: you're a goddamned idiot if you're planning to stay with this woman for the duration but not get married. What happens if you go to the hospital? You aren't family, she won't be making those decisions. If you die, she's out on her ass, even if you both pay the mortgage. Seriously, what the hell?
    There may also be substantial tax advantages to being married; check your applicable tax codes for details.
  • gilhad 2010-10-19 19:42
    Franz Kafka:
    gilhad:

    I live with my GF and we are not married. ...


    Let me put this as kindly as possible: you're a goddamned idiot if you're planning to stay with this woman for the duration but not get married. What happens if you go to the hospital? You aren't family, she won't be making those decisions. If you die, she's out on her ass, even if you both pay the mortgage. Seriously, what the hell?


    When i went to hospital, she cames to me without any problems as well as my mother did. When she was in hospital i had no problems too. Just signed paper at the hospital, that she should get full access to all info (as well as other papers like that i do understand the treatment and so on). No problems was here.
    Mortgage is written to her and we could pay it any moment we want in cash, but it is better for us to let it go its way and use those money other way. But the mortgage leftover is smaller, than i/her have on my/her respective accounts. Anyway if she would die, i would inherite and vice versa.
    We do not live in USA, so maybe the law is different here from what you are used to.
    (And if there would be some obstacles, we can marry if we want get some kind of papers just for that purpose. No one of us just see it needed just now.)
  • gilhad 2010-10-19 19:45
    Steve-O:

    But if you have sex/kids out of wed-lock, God hates you. It's true. He told me.


    But my invisible friend told me, that your invisible friend is only imaginary, so i should not rely on what he tells you until he came and tell it to me too :)
  • jingle jangle 2010-10-19 19:55
    What he actually meant was that he knew gay people made the best employees because they didn't have the family commitments that required them to keep certain home hours, but because of US law couldn't actually ask the question explicitly so attempted to finesse it from him through the back door (as it were).
  • Dan Neely 2010-10-19 20:18
    phreno:

    Much in the same way that English Gentlemen are really cultural descendants of Normands.

    You know, the French.


    Except that they're not. The Normans were a group of Vikings (Norsemen) who conquered part of France and after a few generations decided it was hopelessly fubar as a long term base and decided to conquer somewhere with a better grade of peasant to oppress.
  • Prevention 2010-10-19 20:21
    BabbyFormer:
    gilhad:
    Larry:
    TRWTF is he went ahead and asked about kids after the guy already said he wasn't married.
    I live with my GF and we are not married. We talked about having childs, but we decided not to. But having child is possible even without being married.
    You is now how is babby formed?


    You know what condoms are?? Or birth control pills? Vasectomy? There are many ways to prevent having children, and I hope you are employing at least 2 of them.
  • chrismcb 2010-10-19 20:35
    While hiring a welder on a work-release program is one thing, hiring an IT professional and giving them access to your systems is another.


    I don't understand this. So he is an ex (err current) con, why not give him access to your system?
    The point of prison is to rehabilitate people. Once they are out of jail, they are supposed to be rehabilitated and are able to rejoin society.

    Are you guys saying ONLY excons steal and embezle? Or only excons can write messed up code? Or ONLY excons will write code to syphon off the extra .1 cents?

    I don't get it, if he was qualified, why not give him a chance? Yeah, it doesn't sound like he was qualified, but that wasn't really the point.

    A good lawyer will have a field day with any insurance company that balks because you hired an excon.
  • DaveK 2010-10-19 20:46
    boog:
    frits:
    boog:
    The Judge:
    Q:
    TRWTF is all you punks hating on anyone who's ever been to jail.

    WTF makes you all think every person who's ever been incarcerated will just up and steal data and wreck businesses, or make welding mistakes. The two aren't related.

    Discriminatory losers.

    TRWTF is people who have a rosy picture of prison.

    People are put in jail because they are unable to live within the rules of society. If someone breaks society's rules (and does it so that it warrants a penalty worse than simple probation or a fine), what makes you think they can exist within a business environment?

    Personally, when I see those guys in orange jumpsuits on the side of the freeway, I try to hit them with whatever beverage I have on-hand. Try it! It's fun, and as long as it's not hot coffee, it's not even against the law!

    Let my son know the next time you visit McDonalds. I've instructed him to urinate in your orange juice.

    I'm on my way to work, while this guy gets to meander around all day in the sunshine. I figure covering him in sticky liquid is a good way to even the score.
    If you think he's having such a great time, why aren't you knocking on the door of your local prison asking to be let in?

    Right. Because you don't really think he's having a great time. You just hate your shitty life and have an unrequited need to feel superior to others.

  • DaveK 2010-10-19 20:54
    The Judge:

    People are put in jail because they are unable to live within the rules of society. If someone breaks society's rules (and does it so that it warrants a penalty worse than simple probation or a fine), what makes you think they can exist within a business environment?
    Nelson Mandela called. He says you're being overly simplistic in your theory about just what you can infer of someone's character from the mere fact of their having been incarcerated.

  • DaveK 2010-10-19 20:58
    The Daily WTF:
    When it comes to commenting, I am the master!

    Actually, the irony is as thick as maple soup
    Maple Soup would definitely be TRWTF.

  • Duck Anonymousse 2010-10-19 22:31
    JJ:
    Inb4 some European comments with "TRWTF is calling it a résumé instead of a CV!"


    TRWTF is Europeans claiming they're submitting CVs, when no one really wants a CV. A CV should be dozens of pages by the time you're 40.

    Captcha: incassum
    I play the lottery every day, just incassum lucky.
  • Adam 2010-10-19 22:57
    Seriously? Did you wiki that? Hopefully someday you get laid. LAID

    BTW, love the website.
  • Dittybop 2010-10-19 23:11
    Spike:
    Billy The Squid:
    ... Employers didn't ask him "Have you been convicted", part of the screening was "Have you been charged with an offense".


    I gotta call bullshit on this, every employment application i have ever filled out in my life has it worded with "convicted." Never once have i found it the other way.
    I've seen it...it happens.
  • The Typinator 2010-10-19 23:22
    Ajtacka:
    Comrade Wayne:
    In Soviet Russia, child supports you!

    Seriously, in Russia we take care of this the right way. You can't support your kid, it gets taken away.

    How is that the right way? Sure, take a kid from a poor but loving family, dump them in a childrens' home with neglected, abused or otherwise problem children. Spend much more on 'raising' that child than the average parent spends on their kid. Then, when the kid grows up, spend even more money keeping the now-adult locked up because they never learned how to function properly outside of an institution.

    Or, you know, help the parent find work that pays enough to raise the kid properly, and in the meantime use some of the money that would've gone to the home, and help the parent out a little.
    In Soviet Russia, sarcasm fails to recognize you!
  • frits 2010-10-20 00:25
    BabbyFormer:
    gilhad:
    Larry:
    TRWTF is he went ahead and asked about kids after the guy already said he wasn't married.
    I live with my GF and we are not married. We talked about having childs, but we decided not to. But having child is possible even without being married.
    You is now how is babby formed?


    Ask you're parents, lol. </yahoo_answer>
  • BabbyFarmer 2010-10-20 01:45
    Prevention:
    BabbyFormer:
    gilhad:
    Larry:
    TRWTF is he went ahead and asked about kids after the guy already said he wasn't married.
    I live with my GF and we are not married. We talked about having childs, but we decided not to. But having child is possible even without being married.
    You is now how is babby formed?

    You know what condoms are?? Or birth control pills? Vasectomy? There are many ways to prevent having children, and I hope you are employing at least 2 of them.
    You is know what internet meme is?
  • MotherMaker 2010-10-20 01:47
    frits:
    BabbyFormer:
    gilhad:
    Larry:
    TRWTF is he went ahead and asked about kids after the guy already said he wasn't married.
    I live with my GF and we are not married. We talked about having childs, but we decided not to. But having child is possible even without being married.
    You is now how is babby formed?

    Ask you're parents, lol. </yahoo_answer>
    You'r mom showed me.
  • Alexis de Torquemada 2010-10-20 02:28
    #3: Did the interviewer's name happen to be Jack Bauer?

    #4: I guess it was sort of a "red flag"-ship.
  • Allan Olesen 2010-10-20 02:31
    Anonymous Coward:
    I have a great opening for someone to design a file system. (Applications from jail welcome.)

    I am currently incarcerated in the Ada County jail, where I was ordered to participate in the work release program until I have brought my payments on a new passenger seat for my Honda current. Before I can enter the program, however, I must first find a job.
  • Allan Olesen 2010-10-20 02:33
    Comrade Wayne:
    In Soviet Russia, child supports you!

    The right meme in the wrong internet forum?
  • Mike 2010-10-20 03:01
    Uhhh:
    True... But a 'rm -rf /' on the file server or deleting the RAID on the Exchange server is generally not covered by insurance.


    Your disaster plan would cover it, and the downtime would be regulated by the SLA so how rm -rf could ever be a problem anywhere is beyond me ^^
  • Matt Westwood 2010-10-20 03:20
    imgx64:
    Can someone please type the handwritten letter? I can't read cursive for my life, it looks like gibberish to me.


    It's never good form to brag about the lack of a life skill. Man up.
  • Matt Westwood 2010-10-20 03:34
    Ajtacka:
    Comrade Wayne:
    gil:
    Pants:
    The article even mentions that he's in jail because he can't pay child support.

    The article doesn't actually mention that. The article mentions that he *doesn't* pay child support.

    In Soviet Russia, child supports you!

    Seriously, in Russia we take care of this the right way. You can't support your kid, it gets taken away.

    How is that the right way? Sure, take a kid from a poor but loving family, dump them in a childrens' home with neglected, abused or otherwise problem children. Spend much more on 'raising' that child than the average parent spends on their kid. Then, when the kid grows up, spend even more money keeping the now-adult locked up because they never learned how to function properly outside of an institution.

    Or, you know, help the parent find work that pays enough to raise the kid properly, and in the meantime use some of the money that would've gone to the home, and help the parent out a little.


    Oh don't be silly, they don't put them in an anonymous losers' orphanage or dysfunctional childrens' home, they put them straight into a military academy and use them as the backbone of a fanatically-loyal cadre of elite soldiers. Read your Animal Farm.

    Captcha: sagaciter: more sagacious than you.
  • Rhialto 2010-10-20 05:41
    JJ:
    Inb4 some European comments with "TRWTF is calling it a résumé instead of a CV!"

    At least you write it with the proper accents on the letters. As it is in the title, it is a verb meaning "to continue" or "to restart".
  • Cbuttius 2010-10-20 06:19
    JJ:
    Inb4 some European comments with "TRWTF is calling it a résumé instead of a CV!"


    Why do we need to use a French or a Latin name? Can't we come up with a good English name for it?
  • bill 2010-10-20 06:26
    JJ:
    Inb4 some European comments with "TRWTF is calling it a résumé instead of a CV!"


    TRWTF is résumé (pronounce ray-su-may) and not resumé (reh-su-may)
  • cappeca 2010-10-20 06:52
    jasmine2501:
    <snip> they would be hearing from a lawyer babble.</snip>

    Unless it is relevant - if you're hiring for a "motherhood training instructor" - it's perfectly ok to make sure she has some kids.


    I would give preference to a candidate with a steady personal relationship if I was hiring for management (regardless of gender or orientation). Single people are prone to jump from job to job in order to "build their carrer". Having a family means - most of the time - you can handle long term compromises and responsibility, and actually *need* the job.

    The way you guys misunderstand such questions is TRWTF. By the way, I wouldn't hire ANYONE who would feel offend for being asked about family plans. I'd certainly like to know what are your personal plans for the next five years or so if I'm investing good money on you.
  • Jeremy 2010-10-20 06:59
    Dave:
    TRWTF is having a child and not supporting that child. Maybe if more men took their responsibilities as fathers and men more seriously, we'd have fewer screwed up kids.


    Man up, men!
  • Jeremy 2010-10-20 07:04
    PHB:
    Dazed:

    he's just been put behind bars for possession of cannabis. Are you going to refuse to consider him then?

    Absolutely. Only a fool would hire a person with a history of abusing drugs or alcohol. As a side note, George W Bush is proof that most American voters are idiots.
  • Winnie Mandela 2010-10-20 07:22
    DaveK:
    The Judge:

    People are put in jail because they are unable to live within the rules of society. If someone breaks society's rules (and does it so that it warrants a penalty worse than simple probation or a fine), what makes you think they can exist within a business environment?
    Nelson Mandela called. He says you're being overly simplistic in your theory about just what you can infer of someone's character from the mere fact of their having been incarcerated.



    Well said.

    (Although you might consider inferring stuff about his character from the fact that he was the confessed leader of a terrorist organisation.)
  • Mike Giggler 2010-10-20 07:27
    Anonymous Coward:
    I have a great opening for someone to design a file system. (Applications from jail welcome.)


    My grandad was in jail and my grandma sent him a cake with a file system baked into it.




    (Hey - does that make it an embedded file system?)

  • Matt Westwood 2010-10-20 07:29
    Winnie Mandela:
    DaveK:
    The Judge:

    People are put in jail because they are unable to live within the rules of society. If someone breaks society's rules (and does it so that it warrants a penalty worse than simple probation or a fine), what makes you think they can exist within a business environment?
    Nelson Mandela called. He says you're being overly simplistic in your theory about just what you can infer of someone's character from the mere fact of their having been incarcerated.



    Well said.

    (Although you might consider inferring stuff about his character from the fact that he was the confessed leader of a terrorist organisation.)


    "Terrorist" is just a pejorative term for "freedom fighter".
  • Amar 2010-10-20 07:33
    Matt Westwood:
    Winnie Mandela:
    DaveK:
    The Judge:

    People are put in jail because they are unable to live within the rules of society. If someone breaks society's rules (and does it so that it warrants a penalty worse than simple probation or a fine), what makes you think they can exist within a business environment?
    Nelson Mandela called. He says you're being overly simplistic in your theory about just what you can infer of someone's character from the mere fact of their having been incarcerated.



    Well said.

    (Although you might consider inferring stuff about his character from the fact that he was the confessed leader of a terrorist organisation.)


    "Terrorist" is just a pejorative term for "freedom fighter".

    Exactly. I'm so glad those freedom fighters dealt with that nasty trade center, that thing was a blight on the skyline and totally ruined my view of the bay. Go freedom!
  • bill 2010-10-20 07:33
    Matt Westwood:
    Winnie Mandela:
    DaveK:
    The Judge:

    People are put in jail because they are unable to live within the rules of society. If someone breaks society's rules (and does it so that it warrants a penalty worse than simple probation or a fine), what makes you think they can exist within a business environment?
    Nelson Mandela called. He says you're being overly simplistic in your theory about just what you can infer of someone's character from the mere fact of their having been incarcerated.



    Well said.

    (Although you might consider inferring stuff about his character from the fact that he was the confessed leader of a terrorist organisation.)


    "Terrorist" is just a pejorative term for "freedom fighter".


    "Freedom fighter" is a euphemism for "terrorist"
  • Amar 2010-10-20 07:39
    bill:
    Matt Westwood:
    Winnie Mandela:
    DaveK:
    The Judge:

    People are put in jail because they are unable to live within the rules of society. If someone breaks society's rules (and does it so that it warrants a penalty worse than simple probation or a fine), what makes you think they can exist within a business environment?
    Nelson Mandela called. He says you're being overly simplistic in your theory about just what you can infer of someone's character from the mere fact of their having been incarcerated.



    Well said.

    (Although you might consider inferring stuff about his character from the fact that he was the confessed leader of a terrorist organisation.)


    "Terrorist" is just a pejorative term for "freedom fighter".


    "Freedom fighter" is a euphemism for "terrorist"

    Either way, I'm glad I've got a sweet view of the bay now.
  • Cbuttius 2010-10-20 07:43
    The real WTF is people thinking that someone who really is guilty of fraud would actually be honest on their CV / application form and tell them.

    Dependent on their "connections" they can easily "cover" time inside as a period working for one of their mob's companies and get a reference to such too.

    Also in the early days of computing, short jobs were very common, depending on the task in hand. If the job involved installing systems rather than actually building them, it is quite possible that they would have jobs lasting 2-3 months before moving on. The WTF I found when I started contracting was that after doing a "great" job for someone and getting lots of plaudits for them, subsequent employers never bothered to seem to want to get the follow-up. At least now we have LinkedIn recommendations, if you can trust those...

    In 2002-3, anyone who had been a contractor had a very hard time getting a job in the UK. There was a huge bias and locked door on contractors, regardless of ability to do a good job.
  • Bushea 2010-10-20 08:16
    DaveK:
    The Judge:

    People are put in jail because they are unable to live within the rules of society. If someone breaks society's rules (and does it so that it warrants a penalty worse than simple probation or a fine), what makes you think they can exist within a business environment?
    Nelson Mandela called. He says you're being overly simplistic in your theory about just what you can infer of someone's character from the mere fact of their having been incarcerated.


    Well, being an expat (and an ex.. something else), you don't want to be using that example. Lets just say that if it was for political reasons, why weren't the other 80% of the ANC put behind bars too - there were ample cells...

    Regardless. I agree with the sentiment, most especially since I know several fathers paying maintenance well outside their means - more than a health amount of who got divorced because their wives were having affairs.
  • A Man 2010-10-20 08:20
    Bushea:
    DaveK:
    The Judge:

    People are put in jail because they are unable to live within the rules of society. If someone breaks society's rules (and does it so that it warrants a penalty worse than simple probation or a fine), what makes you think they can exist within a business environment?
    Nelson Mandela called. He says you're being overly simplistic in your theory about just what you can infer of someone's character from the mere fact of their having been incarcerated.


    Well, being an expat (and an ex.. something else), you don't want to be using that example. Lets just say that if it was for political reasons, why weren't the other 80% of the ANC put behind bars too - there were ample cells...

    Regardless. I agree with the sentiment, most especially since I know several fathers paying maintenance well outside their means - more than a health amount of who got divorced because their wives were having affairs.

    Women are TRWTF, amirite?
  • hoodaticus 2010-10-20 08:48
    anarchist:
    DWalker59:
    "Family-Friendly" shouldn't mean that you are REQUIRED to have a family! How weird. Does he want to get together and compare notes on childbirth, sex techniques, etc.?

    Quote: "I don't think that word means what you think it means". (The word, of course, is "Inconceivable")


    What he means is "Are you gay", without explicitly saying it, which I presume is illegal. Although knowing how the USA works, probably not.

    He should have smashed that homophobic cunt's face into a bloody pulp.


    Oh, it's legal in most states. You do not have to hire a queen. No matter how fabulous she is.
  • Welfare Never Works 2010-10-20 08:49
    Ajtacka:
    Comrade Wayne:
    gil:
    Pants:
    The article even mentions that he's in jail because he can't pay child support.

    The article doesn't actually mention that. The article mentions that he *doesn't* pay child support.

    In Soviet Russia, child supports you!

    Seriously, in Russia we take care of this the right way. You can't support your kid, it gets taken away.

    How is that the right way? Sure, take a kid from a poor but loving family, dump them in a childrens' home with neglected, abused or otherwise problem children. Spend much more on 'raising' that child than the average parent spends on their kid. Then, when the kid grows up, spend even more money keeping the now-adult locked up because they never learned how to function properly outside of an institution.

    Or, you know, hope the parent finds work that pays enough to raise the kid properly meanwhile offering them no incentive to do so, and in the meantime use some of the money that would've gone to the home, and help the parent out a little.

    FTFY
  • Parker Bros. 2010-10-20 08:52
    boog:
    Parker Bros.:
    PMS much?

    No, I'm fine, but you go ahead:
    Parker Bros.:
    Just because you're registered doesn't give you a monopoly on commonly-used handles. We all know the difference, as it is indicated by "(unregistered)" next to their names.

    Lighten up there, scooter. If you'd actually read the discussion to which you're replying, nobody is claiming any rights on commonly-used handles. I made mention of my impostor, but if you go back and read my full comment, you'd see it was nothing more than a harmless joke.

    I don't comment much, but I like to read them. That said, the "imposter" claim bugs the tar out of me. What you said was funny, but frits was clearly miffed for whatever reason. And yes, I did go through the effort of tracking the conversation even frits deleted it.
  • Henry 2010-10-20 08:56
    Prevention:
    BabbyFormer:
    gilhad:
    Larry:
    TRWTF is he went ahead and asked about kids after the guy already said he wasn't married.
    I live with my GF and we are not married. We talked about having childs, but we decided not to. But having child is possible even without being married.
    You is now how is babby formed?


    You know what condoms are?? Or birth control pills? Vasectomy? There are many ways to prevent having children, and I hope you are employing at least 2 of them.

    I tried taking birth control pills to prevent unwanted pregancy. It didn't work for that, nor for preventing my STDs.
  • Prison Guards FTW 2010-10-20 08:59
    chrismcb:
    The point of prison is to rehabilitate people.

    Nice try, but no. If that was the point, then rape, murders, and intimidation would not be the order of the day. Prison serves 2 purposes: a) keep people off the streets, and b) make it so they never want to go back. You can make the claim that this simply produces more hardened criminals (and you may be right), but that's how our prison system operates (in the US).
  • majic# 2010-10-20 09:02
    Hey, isn't that "The Family-Friendly Company" the exact transcript of the interview scene in "The Firm" by John Grisham?
  • boog 2010-10-20 09:03
    DaveK:
    boog:
    frits:
    boog:
    The Judge:
    Q:
    TRWTF is all you punks hating on anyone who's ever been to jail.

    WTF makes you all think every person who's ever been incarcerated will just up and steal data and wreck businesses, or make welding mistakes. The two aren't related.

    Discriminatory losers.

    TRWTF is people who have a rosy picture of prison.

    People are put in jail because they are unable to live within the rules of society. If someone breaks society's rules (and does it so that it warrants a penalty worse than simple probation or a fine), what makes you think they can exist within a business environment?

    Personally, when I see those guys in orange jumpsuits on the side of the freeway, I try to hit them with whatever beverage I have on-hand. Try it! It's fun, and as long as it's not hot coffee, it's not even against the law!

    Let my son know the next time you visit McDonalds. I've instructed him to urinate in your orange juice.

    I'm on my way to work, while this guy gets to meander around all day in the sunshine. I figure covering him in sticky liquid is a good way to even the score.
    If you think he's having such a great time, why aren't you knocking on the door of your local prison asking to be let in?

    Right. Because you don't really think he's having a great time. You just hate your shitty life and have an unrequited need to feel superior to others.


    The same reason I don't subscribe to welfare: I think it's a shame to be a drain on society.

    I still remember being in college full-time, working 30+ hours a week, and going to the grocery store, barely able to afford beans and rice. I look over to see someone buying 20lbs of meat with food stamps and then paying cash for cigarettes.
  • frits 2010-10-20 09:06
    DaveK:
    The Judge:

    People are put in jail because they are unable to live within the rules of society. If someone breaks society's rules (and does it so that it warrants a penalty worse than simple probation or a fine), what makes you think they can exist within a business environment?
    Nelson Mandela called. He says you're being overly simplistic in your theory about just what you can infer of someone's character from the mere fact of their having been incarcerated.

    Have you ever actually researched Mandela, or were you spoon-fed lies by the media? He was in prison for terrorism, and when he was let out, he drove the country into the ground by encouraging racism whenever possible. That's why it's still one of the worse hellholes in Africa. If not for the donations of the UN, it would likely be a wasteland.
  • frits 2010-10-20 09:09
    Jeremy:
    PHB:
    Dazed:

    he's just been put behind bars for possession of cannabis. Are you going to refuse to consider him then?

    Absolutely. Only a fool would hire a person with a history of abusing drugs or alcohol. As a side note, George W Bush is proof that most American voters are idiots.

    I guess you missed the point: Obama bragged about doing crack cocaine in his youth and still smokes and drinks heavily. What kind of fool thought he could handle running a country?
  • frits 2010-10-20 09:10
    MotherMaker:
    frits:
    BabbyFormer:
    gilhad:
    Larry:
    TRWTF is he went ahead and asked about kids after the guy already said he wasn't married.
    I live with my GF and we are not married. We talked about having childs, but we decided not to. But having child is possible even without being married.
    You is now how is babby formed?

    Ask you're parents, lol. </yahoo_answer>
    You'r mom showed me.


    My Mom is dead, you necrophiliac.
  • frits 2010-10-20 09:12
    Parker Bros.:
    boog:
    Parker Bros.:
    PMS much?

    No, I'm fine, but you go ahead:
    Parker Bros.:
    Just because you're registered doesn't give you a monopoly on commonly-used handles. We all know the difference, as it is indicated by "(unregistered)" next to their names.

    Lighten up there, scooter. If you'd actually read the discussion to which you're replying, nobody is claiming any rights on commonly-used handles. I made mention of my impostor, but if you go back and read my full comment, you'd see it was nothing more than a harmless joke.

    I don't comment much, but I like to read them. That said, the "imposter" claim bugs the tar out of me. What you said was funny, but frits was clearly miffed for whatever reason. And yes, I did go through the effort of tracking the conversation even frits deleted it.


    I'm not a mod, you narcissistic troll.
  • boog 2010-10-20 09:12
    Where's my damn article?
  • CLANDRESS 2010-10-20 09:13
    Actually, that's not true. Single people are NOT a protected minority. It is illegal to ask questions about pregnancy because that is a protected medical condition but it is not illegal to discriminate based on marital status. See www.eeoc.gov
  • Markp 2010-10-20 09:23
    Comrade Wayne:
    gil:
    Pants:
    The article even mentions that he's in jail because he can't pay child support.

    The article doesn't actually mention that. The article mentions that he *doesn't* pay child support.

    In Soviet Russia, child supports you!

    Seriously, in Russia we take care of this the right way. You can't support your kid, it gets taken away.


    Wait, so if a single mother can't make ends meet because the deadbeat father can't be bothered to pay his share, the government takes the child away from the mother? Yeah, that sounds pretty backwards to me.
  • boog 2010-10-20 09:27
    Markp:
    Comrade Wayne:
    gil:
    Pants:
    The article even mentions that he's in jail because he can't pay child support.

    The article doesn't actually mention that. The article mentions that he *doesn't* pay child support.

    In Soviet Russia, child supports you!

    Seriously, in Russia we take care of this the right way. You can't support your kid, it gets taken away.


    Wait, so if a single mother can't make ends meet because the deadbeat father can't be bothered to pay his share, the government takes the child away from the mother? Yeah, that sounds pretty backwards to me.

    Obviously. If the mother is not self-sufficient, then why does she have custody? Because the father is worse? Your situation perfectly accentuates the merits of putting kids in an orphanage.

    You will also find that this is historically how children who could not be provided for by their parents were taken care of. I'm talking about before birth control and certainly before welfare. And the orphanages weren't run by the government, but by charity. Having a child is not a right, it is a responsibility.
  • Fair, Balanced and straight 2010-10-20 09:31


    What he means is "Are you gay", without explicitly saying it, which I presume is illegal. Although knowing how the USA works, probably not.

    He should have smashed that homophobic cunt's face into a bloody pulp.

    Hate crime.
  • Bert Glanstron 2010-10-20 09:34
    frits:
    MotherMaker:
    frits:
    BabbyFormer:
    gilhad:
    Larry:
    TRWTF is he went ahead and asked about kids after the guy already said he wasn't married.
    I live with my GF and we are not married. We talked about having childs, but we decided not to. But having child is possible even without being married.
    You is now how is babby formed?

    Ask you're parents, lol. </yahoo_answer>
    You'r mom showed me.


    My Mom is dead, you necrophiliac.

    You are an idiot and should be banned from your mommy and daddy's modem.
  • Disgruntled Former Employee 2010-10-20 09:37
    I can tell you from experience that this guy has no interest in securing a job. If you can show the judge that you have sent 20 or so letters for job applications and had no acceptance, you can generally get the judge to remit your payments and wipe the slate clean. After that happens, it's much easier to get a job once your out of prison (as long as you can explain away the time between jobs). This guy was probably working at McDonalds and had not qualifications for the job whatsoever.
  • wtf 2010-10-20 09:44
    frits:
    Jeremy:
    PHB:
    Dazed:

    he's just been put behind bars for possession of cannabis. Are you going to refuse to consider him then?

    Absolutely. Only a fool would hire a person with a history of abusing drugs or alcohol. As a side note, George W Bush is proof that most American voters are idiots.

    I guess you missed the point: Obama bragged about doing crack cocaine in his youth and still smokes and drinks heavily. What kind of fool thought he could handle running a country?


    a) I don't know where you get "bragged" from - he did admit in his autobiography that he used drugs in high school.
    b) I don't know where you get crack from, the drugs he mentioned were pot and cocaine
    c) he seems to be doing a hell of a lot better job running the country than his predecessor, who had much more serious drug and alcohol issues well into his adult life and never had the stones to admit it.
    d) VB is still TRWTF
  • Markp 2010-10-20 09:45
    boog:
    Markp:
    Comrade Wayne:
    gil:
    Pants:
    The article even mentions that he's in jail because he can't pay child support.

    The article doesn't actually mention that. The article mentions that he *doesn't* pay child support.

    In Soviet Russia, child supports you!

    Seriously, in Russia we take care of this the right way. You can't support your kid, it gets taken away.


    Wait, so if a single mother can't make ends meet because the deadbeat father can't be bothered to pay his share, the government takes the child away from the mother? Yeah, that sounds pretty backwards to me.

    Obviously. If the mother is not self-sufficient, then why does she have custody?

    How about because the law demands that the father help support her! It's pretty unreastic to expect any single mother to be both a good mother and self-sufficient. You can't punish the entire family for the father walking away.


    You will also find that this is historically how children who could not be provided for by their parents were taken care of. I'm talking about before birth control and certainly before welfare. And the orphanages weren't run by the government, but by charity.

    How is it better to take away the child and support it by charity? Why not use the charity to help the mother make ends meet? You act as if institutionalizing the child generally worked out well for those children.

    Having a child is not a right, it is a responsibility.

    I would like you to go to a mother that is working 3 jobs to support her child and tell her she's failing in her responsibility to her child. What an absolutely obtuse thing to say.
  • bill 2010-10-20 09:49
    Prison Guards FTW:
    chrismcb:
    The point of prison is to rehabilitate people.

    Nice try, but no. If that was the point, then rape, murders, and intimidation would not be the order of the day. Prison serves 2 purposes: a) keep people off the streets, and b) make it so they never want to go back. You can make the claim that this simply produces more hardened criminals (and you may be right), but that's how our prison system operates (in the US).


    Don't forget it's an incentive to not commit crime in the first place
  • bill 2010-10-20 09:55
    wtf:
    frits:
    Jeremy:
    PHB:
    Dazed:

    he's just been put behind bars for possession of cannabis. Are you going to refuse to consider him then?

    Absolutely. Only a fool would hire a person with a history of abusing drugs or alcohol. As a side note, George W Bush is proof that most American voters are idiots.

    I guess you missed the point: Obama bragged about doing crack cocaine in his youth and still smokes and drinks heavily. What kind of fool thought he could handle running a country?


    a) I don't know where you get "bragged" from - he did admit in his autobiography that he used drugs in high school.
    b) I don't know where you get crack from, the drugs he mentioned were pot and cocaine
    c) he seems to be doing a hell of a lot better job running the country than his predecessor, who had much more serious drug and alcohol issues well into his adult life and never had the stones to admit it.
    d) VB is still TRWTF


    Wait, crack and cocaine are two different things now?
  • whiskeyjack 2010-10-20 10:01
    BabbyFarmer:

    You is know what internet meme is?


    Where DID this meme come from, anyway? Someone actually asked this? I'd love to see the archives of that thread :P
  • Matt Westwood 2010-10-20 10:05
    bill:
    wtf:
    frits:
    Jeremy:
    PHB:
    Dazed:

    he's just been put behind bars for possession of cannabis. Are you going to refuse to consider him then?

    Absolutely. Only a fool would hire a person with a history of abusing drugs or alcohol. As a side note, George W Bush is proof that most American voters are idiots.

    I guess you missed the point: Obama bragged about doing crack cocaine in his youth and still smokes and drinks heavily. What kind of fool thought he could handle running a country?


    a) I don't know where you get "bragged" from - he did admit in his autobiography that he used drugs in high school.
    b) I don't know where you get crack from, the drugs he mentioned were pot and cocaine
    c) he seems to be doing a hell of a lot better job running the country than his predecessor, who had much more serious drug and alcohol issues well into his adult life and never had the stones to admit it.
    d) VB is still TRWTF


    Wait, crack and cocaine are two different things now?


    <irony>
    Yes - "crack" is a loaded word which automatically directs the hearer to the opinion that the person taking it is a low-life who deserves to be executed for not doing what he/she is told. "Cocaine" is an attractive fun substance used to keep celebrities creative. Absolutely two completely different drugs.
    </irony>
  • Anon 2010-10-20 10:05
    Bert Glanstron:
    frits:
    MotherMaker:
    frits:
    BabbyFormer:
    gilhad:
    Larry:
    TRWTF is he went ahead and asked about kids after the guy already said he wasn't married.
    I live with my GF and we are not married. We talked about having childs, but we decided not to. But having child is possible even without being married.
    You is now how is babby formed?

    Ask you're parents, lol. </yahoo_answer>
    You'r mom showed me.


    My Mom is dead, you necrophiliac.

    You are an idiot and should be banned from your daddy's modem.

    FTFY Bert.
  • ???????? 2010-10-20 10:14
    What, 4 pages of comments and no joke on the Chief Family Officer?
  • operagost 2010-10-20 10:15
    Child support is basically the modern-day debtor's prison. If you're the breadwinner (usually the man is the guy, regardless of income), basically the judge places a summary judgment against you to pay support and restrict your movement, as if you'd committed a crime by getting a divorce. At least in NJ, they don't care why you missed a payment. I know someone who was taken to the hospital for what turned out to be a life-threatening condition and was there a few weeks. In a reasonable civilization, said person would simply be expected to catch up on the payments. In NJ, they send the state police to arrest you as soon as you're released from the hospital. Why this is considered OK, even though it hurts both the person providing support and his family, I don't know. I guess it's just another example of "zero tolerance" being a failed ideology.

    I doubt that this is what happened with our IT convict here, but it's something to think about WRT "deadbeat dads".
  • Anonymous 2010-10-20 10:18
    bill:
    Wait, crack and cocaine are two different things now?

    Yes they are (and they always have been, no "now" about it). Crack is the freebase form of cocaine which, unlike regular coke, can be smoked. It is the same underlying psychoactive substance but with a markedly different chemical form so it is perfectly reasonable to refer to them as "different things". Trust me, crack is a far more dangerous substance because the potential for addiction is waaaaaaaaaaaaaay higher than cocaine (speaking from experience).
  • boog 2010-10-20 10:34
    Wow. You're so delusional, it's not even funny.
    I would like you to go to a mother that is working 3 jobs to support her child and tell her she's failing in her responsibility to her child.

    a) If she has 3 jobs and still can't pay the bills, something's wrong. Those jobs don't pay enough, don't give enough hours, or she's blowing all that money on something unnecessary.
    b) Why should she expect to retain the child? Do you get to keep your car/house/anything if you can't afford the payments on it? Heck, if I own the car but can't afford gas, I'm not entitled to drive it or receive a handout for it.

    You can't punish the entire family for the father walking away.

    So you only punish the father? That's a great way to endear a paternal relationship: incite resentment against his wife/kid.
    You act as if institutionalizing the child generally worked out well for those children.

    It does. Numerous research studies have proven it. The number one factor was the age at which they were admitted.
  • boog 2010-10-20 10:56
    Parker Bros.:
    I don't comment much, but I like to read them. That said, the "imposter" claim bugs the tar out of me. What you said was funny, but frits was clearly miffed for whatever reason. And yes, I did go through the effort of tracking the conversation even frits deleted it.

    I certainly don't mind calling him an impostor, and I won't stop doing so. Some time ago (just before I registered), someone started making really stupid comments (recent example), but doing so under my name (I quickly registered my name when I realized this was happening). It's already caused some confusion among people with whom I've argued. I'm not sure why he uses the same handle and I don't really care, aside from the minor annoyance it creates for me; I usually just ignore it. Sometimes I respond to a comment chain that involves him and I make sure to add "(unregistered)" in the quote so as not to confuse anyone following it, but I usually only do this to clear up an argument or make a joke.

    As for frits' comment, on occasion a long string of comments will start, where someone starts a joke, then a mass of unregistered comments posted under registered usernames follows, each adding to the same lame joke (unable to add a reference here, since the mods typically delete them). The comments are in rapid succession, and are obviously the same idiot or small circle of idiots repeatedly posting under different names. I believe this is what frits was referring to in his comment.
  • h1ppie 2010-10-20 11:08

    Ok, here goes: The usage is ironic, because it's a French word describing work history. Get it? Those wacky cheese-eating surrender monkeys don't work, for crissakes! The whole fucking country shuts down for several months two or three times a year, and the only reason anyone can get it up to organize any significant effort is to riot for some more of that internet money, guy.

    I'm not your guy, pal.
  • Markp 2010-10-20 11:08
    boog:

    Wow. You're so delusional, it's not even funny.
    ...
    b) Why should she expect to retain the child? Do you get to keep your car/house/anything if you can't afford the payments on it? Heck, if I own the car but can't afford gas, I'm not entitled to drive it or receive a handout for it.

    I'm sorry, you just compared keeping your child to keeping your car, and you're accusing me of being delusional? Children aren't property asshat.
  • Canuck 2010-10-20 11:13
    h1ppie:

    Ok, here goes: The usage is ironic, because it's a French word describing work history. Get it? Those wacky cheese-eating surrender monkeys don't work, for crissakes! The whole fucking country shuts down for several months two or three times a year, and the only reason anyone can get it up to organize any significant effort is to riot for some more of that internet money, guy.

    I'm not your guy, pal.

    I'm not your pal, buddy.
  • Jack Lumber 2010-10-20 11:34
    Canuck:
    h1ppie:

    Ok, here goes: The usage is ironic, because it's a French word describing work history. Get it? Those wacky cheese-eating surrender monkeys don't work, for crissakes! The whole fucking country shuts down for several months two or three times a year, and the only reason anyone can get it up to organize any significant effort is to riot for some more of that internet money, guy.

    I'm not your guy, pal.

    I'm not your pal, buddy.

    I'm not your buddy, guy.
  • frits 2010-10-20 11:37
    Markp:
    boog:

    Wow. You're so delusional, it's not even funny.
    ...
    b) Why should she expect to retain the child? Do you get to keep your car/house/anything if you can't afford the payments on it? Heck, if I own the car but can't afford gas, I'm not entitled to drive it or receive a handout for it.

    I'm sorry, you just compared keeping your child to keeping your car, and you're accusing me of being delusional? Children aren't property asshat.


    Tell that to the Guatemalan family I bought my second kid from.
  • ObiWayneKenobi 2010-10-20 12:04
    That last one is an all-too common thing to me living in Florida. There are LOT of people like that here (many of whom I've interviewed with) who sound exactly like "Joe".
  • drachenstern 2010-10-20 12:26
    Jack Lumber:
    Canuck:
    h1ppie:
    Ok, here goes: The usage is ironic, because it's a French word describing work history. Get it? Those wacky cheese-eating surrender monkeys don't work, for crissakes! The whole fucking country shuts down for several months two or three times a year, and the only reason anyone can get it up to organize any significant effort is to riot for some more of that internet money, guy.
    I'm not your guy, pal.
    I'm not your pal, buddy.
    I'm not your buddy, guy.
    Thank you "Jack Lumber" .. and now you owe me a new monitor.

    And a new cup of coffee.
  • Jay 2010-10-20 12:46
    anarchist:
    DWalker59:
    "Family-Friendly" shouldn't mean that you are REQUIRED to have a family! How weird. Does he want to get together and compare notes on childbirth, sex techniques, etc.?

    Quote: "I don't think that word means what you think it means". (The word, of course, is "Inconceivable")


    What he means is "Are you gay", without explicitly saying it, which I presume is illegal. Although knowing how the USA works, probably not.

    He should have smashed that homophobic cunt's face into a bloody pulp.


    Hmm, so not only do you physically assault people because they disagree with you on social issues, but you physically assault people based on your unsubstantiated speculation about what they might really believe which you acquired by wild extrapolation from what they actually said?

    I guess in your world this is called "practicing tolerance".
  • frits 2010-10-20 12:50
    Jay:
    anarchist:
    DWalker59:
    "Family-Friendly" shouldn't mean that you are REQUIRED to have a family! How weird. Does he want to get together and compare notes on childbirth, sex techniques, etc.?

    Quote: "I don't think that word means what you think it means". (The word, of course, is "Inconceivable")


    What he means is "Are you gay", without explicitly saying it, which I presume is illegal. Although knowing how the USA works, probably not.

    He should have smashed that homophobic cunt's face into a bloody pulp.


    Hmm, so not only do you physically assault people because they disagree with you on social issues, but you physically assault people based on your unsubstantiated speculation about what they might really believe which you acquired by wild extrapolation from what they actually said?

    I guess in your world this is called "practicing tolerance".


    Probably more like "practicing anarchy".
  • Jay 2010-10-20 13:24
    Does it inevitably follow that someone who has committed a crime in the past will commit more crimes in the future? Of course not. But surely it doesn't take a genius to figure out that he's more likely to.

    Is everyone who has ever been sent to prison guilty? Of course not. For that matter, is everyone who has never been sent to prison innocent? Of course not. But an employer has to use the information he has available. I'm sure there are people who got through college by cheating and there are prople who never went to college who know more than any college grad. That doesn't make it irrational to use a college degree as a criterion in hiring. I'm sure that every possible hiring criterion has some flaw, some way that a person not meeting that criterion could still be a better candidate. So what do you conclude from that? That we do the best we can with what information we have? Or that we pick the candidate to hire at random?

    I'll bet there are many employers in the U.S. who would be willing to give an ex-con a second chance, except for one thing: The employer is legally responsible for the actions of his employees. If you hire an ex-con and he embezzles money from a client or rapes a co-worker, you, the employer, are legally liable.


  • Tod C 2010-10-20 13:40
    DaveK:
    Nelson Mandela called. He says you're being overly simplistic in your theory about just what you can infer of someone's character from the mere fact of their having been incarcerated.

    Nelson Mandela who was in jail for murdering 23 people in the middle of the street because they didn't want to be communist? That one? Try again.
  • Markp 2010-10-20 13:58
    Tod C:
    DaveK:
    Nelson Mandela called. He says you're being overly simplistic in your theory about just what you can infer of someone's character from the mere fact of their having been incarcerated.

    Nelson Mandela who was in jail for murdering 23 people in the middle of the street because they didn't want to be communist? That one? Try again.

    Citation needed. All history I've read sees him in prison at worst for sabotage/treasonous activities. I didn't see any murder convictions.
  • gil 2010-10-20 14:16
    Jay:
    If you hire an ex-con and he embezzles money from a client or rapes a co-worker, you, the employer, are legally liable.

    I'm pretty sure that's not the case. I.e. the employer will be liable for the money the employee embezzled to the same extent, regardless of whether the employee was an ex-con. And the employer is not liable for the employee raping a co-worker, again, regardless of whether he is an ex-con.
  • sqlblindman 2010-10-20 14:31
    "I guess the moral of the story is, if you owe child support, man up and pay it, especially if your trade is IT."
    Wow. That's pretty heartless and ignorant. Our child support laws are draconion, our family courts are clandestine, and the entire process is grossly unfair to fathers. In the U.S., we have abolished debtors prison...with the exception of child support debts. We order fathers to pay support based upon potential income, with no regard to their actual income and no adjustments for when they lose their jobs through no fault of their own.
    The fact is, an unmarried non-custodial fathers pay more support (adjusted for income) than non-custodial mothers, and non-custodial mothers are considerably less likely to pay the support they owe than are fathers.
    And at the same time, our courts do absolutely NOTHING to ensure that mothers comply with visitation orders.
    The Deadbeat Dad is a myth, and we as a society desperately need to start addressing the real problems and coming up with real, equitable solutions.
  • sqlblindman 2010-10-20 14:42
    Disgruntled Former Employee:
    I can tell you from experience that this guy has no interest in securing a job. If you can show the judge that you have sent 20 or so letters for job applications and had no acceptance, you can generally get the judge to remit your payments and wipe the slate clean.

    If you claim this from experience, then you are a liar.
    Child support obligations cannot be changed retroactively. Once it is owed, it is owed, and the debts cannot be reduced. Judges can only change future payments.
    Check that "experience" of your again...
  • immitto 2010-10-20 15:55
    whiskeyjack:
    BabbyFarmer:

    You is know what internet meme is?


    Where DID this meme come from, anyway? Someone actually asked this? I'd love to see the archives of that thread :P
    So go ahead. Here, lmgtfy.
    Akismet is a bitch, a whiny little bitch, and if it doesn't like my post, i'll beat it with a switch! HUZZAH!
  • phreno 2010-10-20 15:57
    Dan Neely:
    phreno:

    Much in the same way that English Gentlemen are really cultural descendants of Normands.

    You know, the French.


    Except that they're not. The Normans were a group of Vikings (Norsemen) who conquered part of France and after a few generations decided it was hopelessly fubar as a long term base and decided to conquer somewhere with a better grade of peasant to oppress.
    Amazing miss, friend.

    You even state yourself that the Normands settled and lived in France for generations.
    What, did you think they weren't tapping the local talent?

    What about the later centuries of allegiance and warfare, with the French and English constantly beating, killing, trading and fucking each other into a bizarre normalization (the Dutch)? With the state of the history, I could have made just about any lineage claim I wanted regarding any region of Europe. As it turns out, people have been fucking there for THOUSANDS OF YEARS!!! :D
  • frits 2010-10-20 16:15
    immitto:
    whiskeyjack:
    BabbyFarmer:

    You is know what internet meme is?


    Where DID this meme come from, anyway? Someone actually asked this? I'd love to see the archives of that thread :P
    So go ahead. Here, lmgtfy.


    Following that lmgtfy was worth it to see this:
  • whiskeyjack 2010-10-20 16:39
    Alright, alright, you're right, I should have Googled.

    This was the most interesting read I found as a result of that link.

    http://www.shamusyoung.com/twentysidedtale/?p=1572
  • steve martin 2010-10-20 22:56
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  • db 2010-10-20 23:55
    Freiheit:
    "While hiring a welder on a work-release program is one thing, hiring an IT professional and giving them access to your systems is another."

    Yea. When an IT guy screws up there is a lot less risk of a critical structural failure, an explosion, a fire, electrocution, and general industrial accidents.

    There is quality checking with welding but most IT work is treated as individual basket weaving where nothing but obvious superfical features are looked at by others.
  • db 2010-10-21 00:17
    Uhhh:
    True... But a 'rm -rf /' on the file server or deleting the RAID on the Exchange server is generally not covered by insurance. In the "White Collar" world, the biggest disaster is being unable to access information.

    Unfortunately niether is installing MS Exchange in the first place.
  • Not doing IT... 2010-10-21 02:21
    "When an IT guy screws up there is a lot less risk..."

    Yo, man, did you ever hear of SCADA?
    Yo, man, did you ever hear of HIPAA?
    Yo, man, did you ever hear of customer databases, with credit card numbers, SSN?

    I'm sure you're trolling...
  • Dan 2010-10-21 09:59
    wtf:
    THRWTF is the phrase "man up". How did this pseudo-macho idiocy become legitimized as English, and how can we make people stop using it?
    Worse yet, in the Times the other day, someone one quoted asserting that a certain politician needed to "leader up". I didn't read any further, as I'd clawed out my eyes to stop the burning.


    I prefer "cowboy up."

    captcha -> incassum thing happens
  • Dan 2010-10-21 10:02
    It's bad enough people get pressure from family and friends on getting married and having kids, but the CFO?? That's just too much.

    And yes, it is illegal to ask those questions.

    captcha -> nulla
  • dan 2010-10-21 10:18
    Jeremy:
    Dave:
    TRWTF is having a child and not supporting that child. Maybe if more men took their responsibilities as fathers and men more seriously, we'd have fewer screwed up kids.


    Man up, men!

    QFT
  • JJ 2010-10-21 11:13
    steve martin:
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    Is this a new meme in the making? The next Bert Glanstrom?
  • Dirge 2010-10-21 11:17
    The Daily WTF:

    Actually, the irony is as thick as maple soup: he advertises (with a pencil, on lined paper) that he is a master of electronic data.


    People in jail/prison are often not allowed access to computers, typewriters, pens, or other complex writing instruments. A friend of mine spent a month in jail, and the inmates weren't even allowed to have full-length pencils. They were given extremely short pencils with points that were deliberately dull, to limit their use as improvised weapons.
  • Anonymous 2010-10-21 11:24
    JJ:
    steve martin:
    I was quite happy to notice this web page.I wanted to thank you for that great piece I certainly enjoying every little bit of it and I bookmarked you to check out new things you post. hope you write something about [definite SPAM link snipped][snipped keywords for good measure].

    Is this a new meme in the making? The next Bert Glanstrom?

    Nope, just some good old fashioned spam that Akismet totally failed to block, as per usual.
  • miyako 2010-10-21 11:30
    We really should reise above these silly jokes
  • Patrick 2010-10-21 11:31
    Anonymous:
    jasmine2501:
    Yes, all of those questions are illegal - not illegal to ask though. You can ask anything you want in an interview, but there's a whole class of stuff you aren't supposed to use to make the hiring decision. However, if you asked it, the assumption is that you're going to use the information, and that it might influence your decision in some subtle way even if it's not 'officially' used in a hiring decision. You are much better off not asking. And yes, if someone asked me any of those questions they would be hearing from a lawyer.

    You'd honestly try to litigate? That's ridiculous, I'd just move on to the next interview and forget about it. What would be the charge? Would you try to sue them for money or what? Forgive me, I don't really understand the US culture of litigation, but I don't see you could legitimately claim for compensation so what's the point? What's your endgame?

    I never understood that, myself. If you get turned down on the basis of an illegal question, would you sue for them to give you the job anyway? That'd make for one hostile work environment.
  • Patrick 2010-10-21 11:44
    Mike:
    Uhhh:
    True... But a 'rm -rf /' on the file server or deleting the RAID on the Exchange server is generally not covered by insurance.


    Your disaster plan would cover it, and the downtime would be regulated by the SLA so how rm -rf could ever be a problem anywhere is beyond me ^^

    Hi there. I write EMR software. It keeps people's medical records and prescription histories. Despite frequent reminders, many of our customers don't keep regular backups. Does this answer your question?
  • Ol' Bob 2010-10-21 12:19
    Huh? I though was what they said in the showers in jail...
  • Ol' Bob 2010-10-21 12:23
    That's a lawsuit you would **never** win unless someone in the company's HR department ratted them out, complete with internal documentation that stated flat out "Applicant X was doing great until they answered X to (illegal question) so we're not gonna hire them because of that". Short of that the company's lawyer would simply say, "The question may have been...inappropriate...but was not a factor in the hiring decision" and you'd be out of luck. You'd still owe *your* lawyer a bundle, of course... Moral of story: if a company asks questions like that, be glad you don't work there.
  • DaveK 2010-10-21 14:59
    Markp:
    Tod C:
    DaveK:
    Nelson Mandela called. He says you're being overly simplistic in your theory about just what you can infer of someone's character from the mere fact of their having been incarcerated.

    Nelson Mandela who was in jail for murdering 23 people in the middle of the street because they didn't want to be communist? That one? Try again.

    Citation needed. All history I've read sees him in prison at worst for sabotage/treasonous activities. I didn't see any murder convictions.
    It's a perfect example of the circular reasoning I was criticizing - he's been in jail, therefore he must be bad. Oh, plus anything you don't like is exactly the same as anything else you don't like, so throw "communist" in there because that means "bad" too. Transparently prejudiced conclusion-first-evidence-later bass-ackwards reasoning.
    Ironically, 23 people is the exact number that the SA apartheid-era authorities claimed were killed in the Soweto uprising. Nobody believed them.

  • Calli Arcale 2010-10-22 08:53
    amischiefr:
    anon:
    Regardless I'm reasonably certain that it's illegal to discriminate on hiring based on marital status.
    It is actually illegal just to ask the question. You are not allowed to ask if somebody is married, sexual preference, has children, nationality or religion.


    It is actually legal to ask about nationality -- or, more accurately, to ask whether the person is a US citizen. And it's certainly legal (and in fact technically mandatory) to ask if they can legally work in the US.

    In some industries, citizenship may be significant beyond just whether or not they are legally able to work. If your product is controlled under ITAR (export restricted), then you can't let foreign nationals see it, because that constitutes an export. But I think all that's relevant is the person's citizenship, not the nationality of their birth.
  • Dan 2010-10-22 08:56
    Disgruntled Former Employee:
    Schnapple:
    Dave:
    TRWTF is having a child and not supporting that child. Maybe if more men took their responsibilities as fathers and men more seriously, we'd have fewer screwed up kids.

    While it may not apply in this situation (19 mostly 1-2 month jobs in 9 years says a lot), I'm going to go to bat and say that it's entirely possible for someone to fall behind on their child support payments because they've been laid off. The courts are very unforgiving about this, depending on what state you're in (thinking in terms of the USA here). I've read reports of people who have been laid off, been without work for months due to a crappy economy, and been told by the courts that it doesn't matter - they had better find some way to shit the money or they're going to jail. Nevermind that they're broke and can demonstrate how they've been laid off. Nevermind that the mother has gone on to marry someone financially secure so the child is in no danger.

    That said, the reason the courts are so harsh in this area is that it would be entirely possible, and easy, to just get yourself fired and then draw welfare and have no way to support your kids. Some would rather do that than give money to their ex which they hate.

    Meanwhile, their ex who is also on welfare is getting extra state dollars because she has custody of the kid. That's good, because she needs the extra money to buy cigarettes. No need to use that money for groceries because the kid can eat at school for free.


    totally agree that people should take care of their kids; however, I have seen more parents who are together and involved screw up their kids because they are more concerned about themselves than taking care of their kids. I am talking about people taking 4 kids (all less than 8 years old) to a rated R movie at 10:00 pm. Or when I have seen parents let their 4 year old out-weigh a 10 year old. You do not have to fail supplying a check to be a bad parent. And before you jump to conclusions, I am a father of 3, where I take care of my kids.

    Maybe if men and women took responsibility and put their children first then we would have fewer screwed up kids. Maybe if people stopped having children before they were ready we would have fewer screwed up kids. and maybe if women stopped sleeping with idiotic, douchebag, jerks, we would have fewer screwed up kids.
  • Calli Arcale 2010-10-22 09:01
    phreno:
    Dan Neely:
    phreno:

    Much in the same way that English Gentlemen are really cultural descendants of Normands.

    You know, the French.


    Except that they're not. The Normans were a group of Vikings (Norsemen) who conquered part of France and after a few generations decided it was hopelessly fubar as a long term base and decided to conquer somewhere with a better grade of peasant to oppress.
    Amazing miss, friend.

    You even state yourself that the Normands settled and lived in France for generations.
    What, did you think they weren't tapping the local talent?

    What about the later centuries of allegiance and warfare, with the French and English constantly beating, killing, trading and fucking each other into a bizarre normalization (the Dutch)? With the state of the history, I could have made just about any lineage claim I wanted regarding any region of Europe. As it turns out, people have been fucking there for THOUSANDS OF YEARS!!! :D


    Quite true. And it's not like "the French" are really a single people -- any more than the British are. The Bretons still have a distinct language, for goodness sakes.
  • Russ 2010-10-22 09:57
    Freiheit:
    "While hiring a welder on a work-release program is one thing, hiring an IT professional and giving them access to your systems is another."

    Yea. When an IT guy screws up there is a lot less risk of a critical structural failure, an explosion, a fire, electrocution, and general industrial accidents.


    Yeah. The last thing you want is a welder on work release. Construction site thefts are a huge problem in the industry.
  • Single Person 2010-10-24 19:14
    "Having a family means - most of the time - you can handle long term compromises and responsibility, and actually *need* the job."

    You are right. As a single man, I can confirm that my landlord doesn't ask me to pay rent, and food just arrives in my kitchen without me paying anything!
  • Wisdom Guy 2010-10-28 20:04
    There are only two types of people in the world: those who broke the law and served time and those who never got caught.
  • neuro 2010-10-30 17:43
    re CV length

    nope keep it to 2 or 3 at max is the normal advice
  • Edgar E Grey 2010-11-05 15:59
    The Family Friendly Company sounds identical to an interview in the movie Secretary.
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  • SQLDave 2011-01-20 09:03
    anarchist:
    DWalker59:
    "Family-Friendly" shouldn't mean that you are REQUIRED to have a family! How weird. Does he want to get together and compare notes on childbirth, sex techniques, etc.?

    Quote: "I don't think that word means what you think it means". (The word, of course, is "Inconceivable")


    What he means is "Are you gay", without explicitly saying it, which I presume is illegal. Although knowing how the USA works, probably not.

    He should have manned up and smashed that homophobic cunt's face into a bloody pulp.


    FTFY
  • SQLDave 2011-01-20 19:03
    Spike:
    Billy The Squid:
    ... Employers didn't ask him "Have you been convicted", part of the screening was "Have you been charged with an offense".


    I gotta call bullshit on this, every employment application i have ever filled out in my life has it worded with "convicted." Never once have i found it the other way.


    Sorry, I've seen it (even one which explicitly stated "charged, even if not convicted").
  • anon 2011-02-16 21:36
    Markp:
    Tod C:
    DaveK:
    Nelson Mandela called. He says you're being overly simplistic in your theory about just what you can infer of someone's character from the mere fact of their having been incarcerated.

    Nelson Mandela who was in jail for murdering 23 people in the middle of the street because they didn't want to be communist? That one? Try again.

    Citation needed. All history I've read sees him in prison at worst for sabotage/treasonous activities. I didn't see any murder convictions.



    He was probably thrown in jail for being late with his child support...


  • enoch 2011-03-07 07:14
    anarchist:
    DWalker59:
    "Family-Friendly" shouldn't mean that you are REQUIRED to have a family! How weird. Does he want to get together and compare notes on childbirth, sex techniques, etc.?

    Quote: "I don't think that word means what you think it means". (The word, of course, is "Inconceivable")


    What he means is "Are you gay", without explicitly saying it, which I presume is illegal. Although knowing how the USA works, probably not.

    He should have smashed that homophobic cunt's face into a bloody pulp.


    Hey, dickhead, it IS OK to hate faggots - most of us do, but we don't say so because we are tired of listening to asshats like you - go suck a goat.
  • Sayer 2012-06-13 09:51
    Harold:
    Anonymous:
    wtf:
    THRWTF is the phrase "man up". How did this pseudo-macho idiocy become legitimized as English, and how can we make people stop using it?
    Worse yet, in the Times the other day, someone one quoted asserting that a certain politician needed to "leader up". I didn't read any further, as I'd clawed out my eyes to stop the burning.

    Next time my PM is complaining about deadlines I'm going to be all like "hey man, project manager up".

    The next time my wife is PMSing, I'm going to be all like, "hey, woman, period up!"


    The next time someone is complaining impotently about an insignificant expression, I'm going to be all "hey man, shut up!"
  • Castaigne 2013-06-11 23:04
    Old, but I was trolling through the comments out of boredom and saw this inaccuracy.

    We order fathers to pay support based upon potential income, with no regard to their actual income and no adjustments for when they lose their jobs through no fault of their own.

    This is not true. While laws on child support vary from state to state, support is based on one of three mathematical models: 1) the Incomes Shares model, (2) the Percentage of Income model, or (3) the Melson Formula model. While these models vary on complexity, they are remarkably fair in apportionment.

    If you lose your job, have your attorney file for an adjustment with the court. The court will then recalculate and issue a new order with changed amounts according to the formula.

    In none of these formulas is support based on "potential" income. It's based on current income and, if financial data is required, past income via tax return information.

    <i>The fact is, an unmarried non-custodial fathers pay more support (adjusted for income) than non-custodial mothers, and non-custodial mothers are considerably less likely to pay the support they owe than are fathers. </i>

    Independent studies on this have actually shown this is false, as all current basis for support in the USA is determined solely by income without consideration of custodianship.

    <i>And at the same time, our courts do absolutely NOTHING to ensure that mothers comply with visitation orders. </i>

    This is because visitation is a completely separate issue from maintenance and neither has any bearing on the other. If a mother is not complying with a visitation order, then you need to file a complaint with the court on that issue and have them compel compliance with the visitation order. The court does not monitor that for you. Support and maintenance are irrelevant to visitation issues in a legal sense.
  • tharpa 2013-12-19 22:47
    Remy Martin:
    anarchist:
    DWalker59:
    "Family-Friendly" shouldn't mean that you are REQUIRED to have a family! How weird. Does he want to get together and compare notes on childbirth, sex techniques, etc.?

    Quote: "I don't think that word means what you think it means". (The word, of course, is "Inconceivable")


    What he means is "Are you gay", without explicitly saying it, which I presume is illegal. Although knowing how the USA works, probably not.

    He should have smashed that homophobic dude's face into a bloody pulp.

    So, are you available? Could you send me some full body shots?


    The two of you have just proven that you know that that employer is indeed your true superior. When you find a person whose allegiance is to something other than the culture of the times, you threaten them with violence. That is the way of the coward.