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  • Outlaw Programmer 2008-07-16 10:17
    I'm pretty sure the second guy was just making excuses as to why he wasn't hired. Clearly he just wasn't passionate enough about numbers.
  • FredSaw 2008-07-16 10:18
    he guy looked like he had just finished smoking, drinking, crying, or all three, because his eyes were completely bloodshot.
    I assume you mean "toking" rather than "smoking".
  • RandomDreamer 2008-07-16 10:19
    TRWTF is choosing a nearby restaurant where your boss/coworker normally would go.

    On the other hand that is hilarious setup for a comedy sitcom episode.
  • brodie 2008-07-16 10:30
    That last one seems more like a good story and not at all a WTF.
  • Satanicpuppy 2008-07-16 10:31
    RandomDreamer:
    TRWTF is choosing a nearby restaurant where your boss/coworker normally would go.

    On the other hand that is hilarious setup for a comedy sitcom episode.


    I once decided I'd be a rebel and have a pint of beer with my pizza lunch. The instant it appeared on my table, in walks my bosses AA, and the AA for human resources.

    Not great, but I don't really care about them, and frankly one beer should be acceptable for anyone.

    Within the next 5 minutes they were joined by (in order), my Boss, the head of HR, and the CEO.

    I ended up swiping a straw, and drinking the whole pint through it.

    Moral of the story; if you stay near work, you accept that you can run into anyone
  • ChiefCrazyTalk 2008-07-16 10:36
    Satanicpuppy:
    RandomDreamer:
    TRWTF is choosing a nearby restaurant where your boss/coworker normally would go.

    On the other hand that is hilarious setup for a comedy sitcom episode.


    I once decided I'd be a rebel and have a pint of beer with my pizza lunch. The instant it appeared on my table, in walks my bosses AA, and the AA for human resources.

    Not great, but I don't really care about them, and frankly one beer should be acceptable for anyone.

    Within the next 5 minutes they were joined by (in order), my Boss, the head of HR, and the CEO.

    I ended up swiping a straw, and drinking the whole pint through it.

    Moral of the story; if you stay near work, you accept that you can run into anyone


    If your boss is in AA, he should be the one concerned about drinking on the job.
  • Markp 2008-07-16 10:43
    RandomDreamer:
    TRWTF is choosing a nearby restaurant where your boss/coworker normally would go.

    On the other hand that is hilarious setup for a comedy sitcom episode.


    Would be, if it hadn't already been done before! (Can't think of the episode, but I think it's Seinfeld).
  • A Nonny Mouse 2008-07-16 10:44
    Markp:
    RandomDreamer:
    TRWTF is choosing a nearby restaurant where your boss/coworker normally would go.

    On the other hand that is hilarious setup for a comedy sitcom episode.


    Would be, if it hadn't already been done before! (Can't think of the episode, but I think it's Seinfeld).


    it was in Friends
  • Anon 2008-07-16 10:44
    think it was due to agreeing with my new boss that being invisible would be the best superhero ability to possess.

    It's funny, that was exactly what I was thinking when I saw the super power question. Either great minds think alike, or we're all perverts.
  • Mikkel 2008-07-16 11:02
    Anon:
    think it was due to agreeing with my new boss that being invisible would be the best superhero ability to possess.

    It's funny, that was exactly what I was thinking when I saw the super power question. Either great minds think alike, or we're all perverts.


    I think its the latter. Or in my case I want the invisibility to rob banks :)
  • Kozz 2008-07-16 11:07
    I've done some interviews recently. I could understand if we're looking for someone who has established ideas and philosophies regarding testing (code reviews, continuous integration, unit tests) that this guy wouldn't cut the mustard.

    If the answer is, "Uh.. yeah..." I think maybe I'd let him walk, too.
  • cys 2008-07-16 11:21
    Great perverts think alike.
  • Otis P Criblecoblis 2008-07-16 11:22
    Team lead: How do you feel about numbers?

    I like most numbers. Except threes. Threes are evil. Threes cause most of the problems in the world. Death to threes!!!
  • ObiWayneKenobi 2008-07-16 11:28
    The first is, sadly, all too common. Business owners want the skills, but don't want to pay for it, in part because they think that what we do is trivially simple. I blame the proliferation of nitwits who know a little PHP or Photoshop and try to pass themselves off as real professionals.
  • Justice 2008-07-16 11:28
    Satanicpuppy:
    RandomDreamer:
    TRWTF is choosing a nearby restaurant where your boss/coworker normally would go.

    On the other hand that is hilarious setup for a comedy sitcom episode.


    I once decided I'd be a rebel and have a pint of beer with my pizza lunch. The instant it appeared on my table, in walks my bosses AA, and the AA for human resources.

    Not great, but I don't really care about them, and frankly one beer should be acceptable for anyone.

    Within the next 5 minutes they were joined by (in order), my Boss, the head of HR, and the CEO.

    I ended up swiping a straw, and drinking the whole pint through it.

    Moral of the story; if you stay near work, you accept that you can run into anyone


    The first WTF is that your boss or anyone else would care that much if you have a brew with lunch.

    But the REAL WTF is drinking your beer through a straw. What's next, a sippy cup?
  • Siloria 2008-07-16 11:29
    Is it not possible that "the minimum wage" in the first story could refer to something other than the "U.S. Minimum Wage"? According to the story the interviewer seems to use the terms interchangeably. Am I really the only one who has had an interviewer confuse the terms "wage" and "salary"?

    I was sure that was the direction this story was going: The interviewee flies off the handle at the suggestion that he would only be paid "the minimum wage" only after his bridge burning to discover that "the minimum wage" being discussed is actually $75,000/year + benefits.

    The real WTF is that the guy flew off the handle before confirming, at least according to the account, what exactly "the minimum wage" was describing. Regardless of the salary being offered there is something to be said for being professional and acting like one deserves the money they are worth.
  • anon 2008-07-16 11:30
    25.806975801127880315188420605149 is the root of all evil
  • Anon 2008-07-16 11:32
    How do you feel about numbers?

    I love numbers, except the rational ones. We won't be working with any rational numbers here, will we?
  • JonC 2008-07-16 11:32
    Anon:
    think it was due to agreeing with my new boss that being invisible would be the best superhero ability to possess.

    It's funny, that was exactly what I was thinking when I saw the super power question. Either great minds think alike, or we're all perverts.


    I want to know whether he decided on invisibility before or after his current boss walked in?
  • ObiWayneKenobi 2008-07-16 11:33
    Siloria:
    Is it not possible that "the minimum wage" in the first story could refer to something other than the "U.S. Minimum Wage"?

    Am I really the only one who has had an interviewer confuse the terms "wage" and "salary"?



    The term "minimum wage" has an explicit, understood meaning, at least in the US. The interviewee was justified in assuming that's what it meant, because if the interviewer didn't mean exactly that, he wouldn't have used the words "minimum wage".
  • taylonr 2008-07-16 11:34
    Siloria:
    Is it not possible that "the minimum wage" in the first story could refer to something other than the "U.S. Minimum Wage"?

    Am I really the only one who has had an interviewer confuse the terms "wage" and "salary"?

    I was sure that was the direction this story was going: The interviewee flies off the handle at the suggestion that he would only be paid "the minimum wage" only after his bridge burning to discover that "the minimum wage" being discussed is actually $75,000/year.

    The real WTF is that the guy flew off the handle before confirming, at least according to the account, what exactly "the minimum wage" was describing. Regardless of the salary being offered there is something to be said for being professional and acting like one deserves the money they are worth.


    I worked for a company in which each salary grade had a minimum and maximum value. If you got promoted to a new salary grade, you automatically got the minimum. (Which was cool the one time I got to jump 2 grades.)

    They also did raises based on % of mid point. So if you were over the mid point your raise was a smaller percent than if you were under. With the idea being that by the time you reached mid point, you should really be working for a promotion.
  • taylonr 2008-07-16 11:36
    Otis P Criblecoblis:
    Team lead: How do you feel about numbers?

    I like most numbers. Except threes. Threes are evil. Threes cause most of the problems in the world. Death to threes!!!


    For a counseling class I took we had to do mock sessions. One of mine involved a guy who had a self-professed phobia of the letter 'Y'. Since it was all made up situations when I heard that, I died laughing. The auditor didn't find it as funny, but I didn't lose any marks from it either.
  • WC 2008-07-16 11:36
    You don't pay salaried employees 'minimum wage' if you mean the legal lower limit on wages. That's absolutely ridiculous. The only other option is the company's minimum for that option, and is most likely what they meant. He burned that bridge a bit early.
  • Charles 2008-07-16 11:42
    Who needs a superpower if you have Batman's utility belt?
  • SenTree 2008-07-16 11:43
    anon:
    25.806975801127880315188420605149 is the root of all evil

    24.8193472...

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/616_(number)

    (Well, what did you expect?)
  • Zylon 2008-07-16 11:50
    FredSaw:
    he guy looked like he had just finished smoking, drinking, crying, or all three, because his eyes were completely bloodshot.
    I assume you mean "toking" rather than "smoking".

    Because they couldn't possibly mean the same thing, right? Right?
  • I think I know those guys... 2008-07-16 11:51
    ...the job was obviously for an office slave. They even called it an intern position. They spent all three interviews convincing me they couldn't get anyone to work for free before finally asking me to work for free. Then they were offended when I asked for more money.
  • mathew 2008-07-16 11:55
    Maybe it's me, but I don't see what's so wrong about the "Can you be more specific?" questions.

    If I were asked the question about numbers, I'd assume it was a lead-in to the interviewer wanting me to talk about the importance of accurate BCD-based fixed point arithmetic in banking applications, rather than inaccurate binary floating point.

    And if you can't talk about your preferred methodology for testing, you shouldn't be developing software.
  • Yanman 2008-07-16 11:56
    The best superpower is the power to manipulate atoms ( on a subatomar level ). If you can do that, you can do anything.
  • taylonr 2008-07-16 11:58
    mathew:
    Maybe it's me, but I don't see what's so wrong about the "Can you be more specific?" questions.

    If I were asked the question about numbers, I'd assume it was a lead-in to the interviewer wanting me to talk about the importance of accurate BCD-based fixed point arithmetic in banking applications, rather than inaccurate binary floating point.

    And if you can't talk about your preferred methodology for testing, you shouldn't be developing software.


    Seems to me that the point of that story was not that they were asking those types of questions, but rather they were asking vague questions because they had to ask someone. The WTF was that they were doing interviews with no intention of hiring. They could have just as asked "pink or green?" And it wouldn't have been more WTF
  • Vechni 2008-07-16 12:05
    Yanman:
    The best superpower is the power to manipulate atoms ( on a subatomar level ). If you can do that, you can do anything.


    yeah but it would take forever to manipulate all the atoms needed to do anything useful (and still have enough precision to do anything useful).

    There, the best power is... the power to have all the powers i want.

    ps: Plus I can into the future, but better than kyle.
  • FredSaw 2008-07-16 12:05
    Zylon:
    FredSaw:
    he guy looked like he had just finished smoking, drinking, crying, or all three, because his eyes were completely bloodshot.
    I assume you mean "toking" rather than "smoking".

    Because they couldn't possibly mean the same thing, right? Right?
    Correct. If you specify what is being smoked, then yes, it can refer to marijuana use. Used by themselves, the two words don't mean the same thing. Here, try substituting one for the other below.

    Boss: "Where's Frank?"
    Mary: "He stepped outside to smoke."
  • savar 2008-07-16 12:10
    Markp:
    RandomDreamer:
    TRWTF is choosing a nearby restaurant where your boss/coworker normally would go.

    On the other hand that is hilarious setup for a comedy sitcom episode.


    Would be, if it hadn't already been done before! (Can't think of the episode, but I think it's Seinfeld).


    I'm damn near a Seinfeld expert, and I don't remember that ever happening (off the top of my head).

    In Ferris Bueller, however, they go out to a nice restaurant and he sees his dad is already eating there.
  • fruey 2008-07-16 12:12
    Otis P Criblecoblis:
    Team lead: How do you feel about numbers?

    I like most numbers. Except threes. Threes are evil. Threes cause most of the problems in the world. Death to threes!!!


    Two's company, three's are evil
  • BasketCase 2008-07-16 12:21
    That actually happened to me once at a lunch interview. Luckily I was interviewing because the company I was working for was going out of business and my boss was there for an interview as well. We ended up sharing a table so we could compliment each other.
  • Brady Kelly (proudly in Jo'burg) 2008-07-16 12:23
    Anon:
    think it was due to agreeing with my new boss that being invisible would be the best superhero ability to possess.

    It's funny, that was exactly what I was thinking when I saw the super power question. Either great minds think alike, or we're all perverts.


    Only you're a pervert. My reasons for being invisible wouldn't begin at voyeurism.
  • John 2008-07-16 12:25
    Brady Kelly (proudly in Jo'burg):
    Anon:
    think it was due to agreeing with my new boss that being invisible would be the best superhero ability to possess.

    It's funny, that was exactly what I was thinking when I saw the super power question. Either great minds think alike, or we're all perverts.


    Only you're a pervert. My reasons for being invisible wouldn't begin at voyeurism.


    But you'd end up there...
  • shuryno 2008-07-16 12:31
    I guess that's why it's mostly women that get the invisibility, we all know the good of humanity would come in second if it was given to a perv...hum geek.
  • jbrecken 2008-07-16 12:35
    Anon:
    think it was due to agreeing with my new boss that being invisible would be the best superhero ability to possess.

    It's funny, that was exactly what I was thinking when I saw the super power question. Either great minds think alike, or we're all perverts.

    Real perverts choose shape shifting. Not only can you use it to sneak into women's locker rooms, but you can also do freaky Zeus tricks like turning into a swan in the middle of coitus.
  • amischiefr 2008-07-16 12:37
    ObiWayneKenobi:
    The first is, sadly, all too common. Business owners want the skills, but don't want to pay for it, in part because they think that what we do is trivially simple. I blame the proliferation of nitwits who know a little PHP or Photoshop and try to pass themselves off as real professionals.


    Yeah, I had one guy who interviewed me tell me that he could get quality programmers for 30k so I should be happy with what I get. So I naturally had to ask "Where, in India? If you want to outsource, why are you interviewing here?". He looked a little mad at that. I am willing to be that he still hasn't found a "quality" programmer for 30k yet :)
  • ObiWayneKenobi 2008-07-16 12:38
    jbrecken:
    Real perverts choose shape shifting. Not only can you use it to sneak into women's locker rooms, but you can also do freaky Zeus tricks like turning into a swan in the middle of coitus.


    This. For the Uber Win.
  • amischiefr 2008-07-16 12:39
    fruey:
    Otis P Criblecoblis:
    Team lead: How do you feel about numbers?

    I like most numbers. Except threes. Threes are evil. Threes cause most of the problems in the world. Death to threes!!!


    Two's company, three's are evil


    Not a fan of the threesome??? Shame on you...
  • Gabriel 2008-07-16 12:53
    RandomDreamer:
    On the other hand that is hilarious setup for a comedy sitcom episode.


    In fact that happened with Rachel on a Friends episode in the 10th season. Very funny, as always.
  • kermit 2008-07-16 12:54
    Maciek, czy to ty ? :)
  • JamesQMurphy 2008-07-16 13:01
    How do you feel about numbers?


    I only like the smooth numbers, like 0's and 8's.
  • FredSaw 2008-07-16 13:07
    jbrecken:
    ...but you can also do freaky Zeus tricks like turning into a swan in the middle of coitus.
    Hence the classic line from The Big Bopper: "I feel real loose, like a long-necked goose".

    And yeah, I know Jerry Lee made it famous. But the Bopper wrote it.
  • Bryan 2008-07-16 13:10
    I have to disagree with invisibility being the best super power. over a few weeks, some friends and I all did a study on what would be the best super power based on the following criteria.

    1. potential for profit.
    2. potential for helping mankind.
    3. probability of being caught, stuck in a lab and studied if exposed.

    The idea was to find the power with which you could achieve the most results with the least bit of detection.

    Flying would be fun but the first time you flew, the government would catch you and you would be hidden in area 51 for the remainder of your years.

    Invisibility sounds nice but doesn't imply that you have no mass. So you are invisible but still have to use doors, make zero noise, and mask your body heat and odor. You can still be hit by a car when you have forgotten that you are invisible as you are walking through a cross walk. It is just not good.

    Just a couple examples.
    at any rate, after analyzing every power we could think of from breathing under water to "My seamen cures cancer" (that one had potential)

    We deduced that mind control over others was the best.
    You can achieve any human action through no actions of your own.

    You can:
    make your boss give you a raise.

    Make the banker err in your favor for a few grand and make his boss not fire him for it.

    Make "the man" Lower the price of gas

    Sure w/ invisibility, you can go into the girl's locker room but with mind control, they come over to your house. :)



  • Erzengel 2008-07-16 13:15
    savar:
    Markp:
    RandomDreamer:
    TRWTF is choosing a nearby restaurant where your boss/coworker normally would go.

    On the other hand that is hilarious setup for a comedy sitcom episode.


    Would be, if it hadn't already been done before! (Can't think of the episode, but I think it's Seinfeld).


    I'm damn near a Seinfeld expert, and I don't remember that ever happening (off the top of my head).

    In Ferris Bueller, however, they go out to a nice restaurant and he sees his dad is already eating there.

    Let's try reading something from 2 hours before your post:
    A Nonny Mouse:
    Markp:
    RandomDreamer:
    TRWTF is choosing a nearby restaurant where your boss/coworker normally would go.

    On the other hand that is hilarious setup for a comedy sitcom episode.


    Would be, if it hadn't already been done before! (Can't think of the episode, but I think it's Seinfeld).


    it was in Friends


    Why do people refuse to read all comments before posting?
  • Buddy 2008-07-16 13:16
    Anon:
    think it was due to agreeing with my new boss that being invisible would be the best superhero ability to possess.

    It's funny, that was exactly what I was thinking when I saw the super power question. Either great minds think alike, or we're all perverts.


    Invisibility wouldn't be so great. Technically, you wouldn't be able to see, because your eyes wouldn't absorb any light. If you made an exception that your retina would be visible, then you still couldn't see without an opaque sclera, and a lens. Essentially you would be two bulging eyes floating in space. Quite gross actually.
  • ChiefCrazyTalk 2008-07-16 13:18
    Justice:
    Satanicpuppy:
    RandomDreamer:
    TRWTF is choosing a nearby restaurant where your boss/coworker normally would go.

    On the other hand that is hilarious setup for a comedy sitcom episode.


    I once decided I'd be a rebel and have a pint of beer with my pizza lunch. The instant it appeared on my table, in walks my bosses AA, and the AA for human resources.

    Not great, but I don't really care about them, and frankly one beer should be acceptable for anyone.

    Within the next 5 minutes they were joined by (in order), my Boss, the head of HR, and the CEO.

    I ended up swiping a straw, and drinking the whole pint through it.

    Moral of the story; if you stay near work, you accept that you can run into anyone


    The first WTF is that your boss or anyone else would care that much if you have a brew with lunch.

    But the REAL WTF is drinking your beer through a straw. What's next, a sippy cup?


    I think the idea there was if drinking through a straw, the boss wouldn't realize it was a beer.
  • pig_vomit 2008-07-16 13:20
    FredSaw:
    Zylon:
    FredSaw:
    he guy looked like he had just finished smoking, drinking, crying, or all three, because his eyes were completely bloodshot.
    I assume you mean "toking" rather than "smoking".

    Because they couldn't possibly mean the same thing, right? Right?
    Correct. If you specify what is being smoked, then yes, it can refer to marijuana use. Used by themselves, the two words don't mean the same thing. Here, try substituting one for the other below.

    Boss: "Where's Frank?"
    Mary: "He stepped outside to smoke."


    This website is ridiculous. He meant smoke pot. He doesn't have to specify that. Everyone here thinks they are so smart and end up making themselves look stupid.
  • Erzengel 2008-07-16 13:21
    Bryan:
    I have to disagree with invisibility being the best super power. over a few weeks, some friends and I all did a study on what would be the best super power based on the following criteria.

    1. potential for profit.
    2. potential for helping mankind.
    3. probability of being caught, stuck in a lab and studied if exposed.

    The idea was to find the power with which you could achieve the most results with the least bit of detection.

    Flying would be fun but the first time you flew, the government would catch you and you would be hidden in area 51 for the remainder of your years.

    Invisibility sounds nice but doesn't imply that you have no mass. So you are invisible but still have to use doors, make zero noise, and mask your body heat and odor. You can still be hit by a car when you have forgotten that you are invisible as you are walking through a cross walk. It is just not good.

    Just a couple examples.
    at any rate, after analyzing every power we could think of from breathing under water to "My seamen cures cancer" (that one had potential)

    We deduced that mind control over others was the best.
    You can achieve any human action through no actions of your own.

    You can:
    make your boss give you a raise.

    Make the banker err in your favor for a few grand and make his boss not fire him for it.

    Make "the man" Lower the price of gas

    Sure w/ invisibility, you can go into the girl's locker room but with mind control, they come over to your house. :)





    It depends upon personality, I think. Mind Control shows you would have a very dominating, controlling personality. Invisibility is much more passive, "I can do what I want and not disturb anyone". And if you can stop light from the visible spectrum from interacting with you, why wouldn't the infrared energy being produced by your body heat be masked as well? Perhaps the entire electromagnetic spectrum does not diffract nor emit from you if you're invisible.

    For me, what I want is the ability to Save Game. Seriously, I could Save, try to rob a bank, get killed, Load Game, and try again using knowledge from my first attempt. It's what I miss most about returning to the Real World or playing multiplayer games. If at first you don't succeed, reload the save game and try, try again.
  • Crabs 2008-07-16 13:23
    Mind control is a good super power, but your life eventually becomes emotionally meaningless. You never know real companionship, because you can't be sure that your companion is true, or whether you're subconsciously controlling them to like you.

    I guess if you stop believing in constructs like love, and wish only for physical benefits, then mind control can be considered the best superpower. I prefer agelessness, but it suffers from a similar problem, since you must force yourself to not become attached to those who will die, or else your entire existence will be suffering.
  • Erzengel 2008-07-16 13:29
    Buddy:
    Anon:
    think it was due to agreeing with my new boss that being invisible would be the best superhero ability to possess.

    It's funny, that was exactly what I was thinking when I saw the super power question. Either great minds think alike, or we're all perverts.


    Invisibility wouldn't be so great. Technically, you wouldn't be able to see, because your eyes wouldn't absorb any light. If you made an exception that your retina would be visible, then you still couldn't see without an opaque sclera, and a lens. Essentially you would be two bulging eyes floating in space. Quite gross actually.


    As far as super powers go, we're assuming there is a certain ability to get around natural laws of physics, etc. So we can assume that, when invisible, the light interacts with your retina without actually being absorbed, refracted, nor reflected. This doesn't solve the issue with not having a lense, but we can assume that your retina would be sufficiently altered so as to make the lense unnecessary when invisible. Technically, it would be "impossible" (using current science) for a living thing to be naturally invisible without the aid of technology. An invsibility cloak is something else entirely, but not "invisible man" style invisibility.
  • SomeCoder 2008-07-16 13:33
    Erzengel:


    For me, what I want is the ability to Save Game. Seriously, I could Save, try to rob a bank, get killed, Load Game, and try again using knowledge from my first attempt. It's what I miss most about returning to the Real World or playing multiplayer games. If at first you don't succeed, reload the save game and try, try again.


    Yeah... I've often thought that. "Geez, I wish I could save state right now" or more often "Damn, I really wish I could reload from like an hour ago" :)

  • K&T 2008-07-16 13:37
    [quote]

    For me, what I want is the ability to Save Game. Seriously, I could Save, try to rob a bank, get killed, Load Game, and try again using knowledge from my first attempt. It's what I miss most about returning to the Real World or playing multiplayer games. If at first you don't succeed, reload the save game and try, try again.

    [quote]

    I'd fail at this. Sure, at first I'd have a bunch of different saves but after a while I'd get lazy and just use the quick save button. 5 hours later I'd mess something up and instead of replaying the past 5 hours, I'd just stop playing.
  • Mr Squid 2008-07-16 13:44
    The minimum wage guy almost certainly burned his bridge too soon. Companies do not stay in business for 20 years, particularly in a field where incompetent companies tend to crash fast, by treating their employees like dirt. The interviewer probably misused a term that he did not fully understand. By throwing a tantrum our hero probably lost out on a decent-paying job. The real WTF here is that he never confirmed his suspicion before acting on it. Not the sort of person I would want working for me.
  • Erzengel 2008-07-16 13:47
    K&T:


    For me, what I want is the ability to Save Game. Seriously, I could Save, try to rob a bank, get killed, Load Game, and try again using knowledge from my first attempt. It's what I miss most about returning to the Real World or playing multiplayer games. If at first you don't succeed, reload the save game and try, try again.



    I'd fail at this. Sure, at first I'd have a bunch of different saves but after a while I'd get lazy and just use the quick save button. 5 hours later I'd mess something up and instead of replaying the past 5 hours, I'd just stop playing.

    What, you mean kill yourself? It's not like you have the option to step away from your body and go do something else.
    Except what would happen if you kill yourself? I just said you can load from a save game after dieing, so I would assume that would be something automatic, or at least subconscious. Oops, I died, reload. Well crap, now I've got to play the last 3 years because I was using quick save!
    Unless, of course, as I imagine in my case, "quick save" just creates a new save game named "quick save 1", "quick save 2", "quick save 3125972", etc, so you don't actually lose any data while quick saving. There are games like that, so that's how I imagine the super power being. Also, it would have auto-saves (similar to the quick saves) every time you wake up or something. If the universe or your super power or whatnot only has a limited amount of save slots/memory, you'd have to decide which ones to delete, but for me, since I'm "inventing" the super power, I say you have at least enough memory for a few hundred thousand save points, with autosaves and quick saves being deleted automatically only as necessary.
  • FredSaw 2008-07-16 13:52
    pig_vomit:
    Everyone here thinks they are so smart and end up making themselves look stupid.
    ...said the guy who registered himself as "pig_vomit".
  • Andy 2008-07-16 14:02
    Charles:
    Who needs a superpower if you have Batman's utility belt?


    Remember Batman's real superpower. He's rich.
  • Ben4jammin 2008-07-16 14:03

    The minimum wage guy almost certainly burned his bridge too soon. Companies do not stay in business for 20 years, particularly in a field where incompetent companies tend to crash fast, by treating their employees like dirt. The interviewer probably misused a term that he did not fully understand. By throwing a tantrum our hero probably lost out on a decent-paying job. The real WTF here is that he never confirmed his suspicion before acting on it. Not the sort of person I would want working for me.


    I agree for the most part, but there are mixed messages in that story. The interviewer mentions "salary" then "minimum wage". Usually it is one or the other.

    At the same time, including "office assistant" in a job description screams "minimum wage" to me. I don't know why you would include that in a job description for a technical job.

    Yet, any company in business that long that has learned to bring people in for a 90-day trial you would think should have it together better as far as terminology and the ability to precisely convey the parameters of employment.

    Very confusing story if you ask me.
  • Just Some Guy 2008-07-16 14:05
    I think everyone missed the real WTF in story #2: his new prospective boss was cool enough to realize that the interviewee was in a tight position and decide to rescue him.
  • Markp 2008-07-16 14:06
    A Nonny Mouse:
    Markp:
    RandomDreamer:
    TRWTF is choosing a nearby restaurant where your boss/coworker normally would go.

    On the other hand that is hilarious setup for a comedy sitcom episode.


    Would be, if it hadn't already been done before! (Can't think of the episode, but I think it's Seinfeld).


    it was in Friends


    Uh oh, I was afraid of that being the case. I was outed!

    (Actually, I've never really been in)
  • K&T 2008-07-16 14:09
    [quote=Erzengel]
    Unless, of course, as I imagine in my case, "quick save" just creates a new save game named "quick save 1", "quick save 2", "quick save 3125972", etc, so you don't actually lose any data while quick saving. There are games like that, so that's how I imagine the super power being.
    [/quote]

    I like the autosaving concept. Just have it set up to where you can load from any particular point in time.
  • Random832 2008-07-16 14:10
    K&T:


    For me, what I want is the ability to Save Game. Seriously, I could Save, try to rob a bank, get killed, Load Game, and try again using knowledge from my first attempt. It's what I miss most about returning to the Real World or playing multiplayer games. If at first you don't succeed, reload the save game and try, try again.



    I'd fail at this. Sure, at first I'd have a bunch of different saves but after a while I'd get lazy and just use the quick save button. 5 hours later I'd mess something up and instead of replaying the past 5 hours, I'd just stop playing.


    Rewind (though it's buggy in actual implementations in emulators because part of the state gets out of sync) beats quick save every time.
  • K&T 2008-07-16 14:12
    K&T:
    I like the autosaving concept. Just have it set up to where you can load from any particular point in time.


    For instance, i could load state from 5 minutes ago and click the 'preview' button instead of 'Submit.'
  • mauhiz 2008-07-16 14:14
    I would have told him : "Numbers, numbers, my favourite is 215 because it is the 666th decimal of Pi in base 666."

    This is better than quoting the Kabbala, and super-evil geek.
  • Zecc 2008-07-16 14:17
    "If I could have any super power, what would it be?"
    "How the hell should I know? I'm not a telepath."


    Anyway, I can't help but imagine the "new boss" inviting the "old boss" to join them and discuss the OP's job performance.
  • Anon 2008-07-16 14:18
    Bryan:
    Sure w/ invisibility, you can go into the girl's locker room but with mind control, they come over to your house. :)


    Honestly, I hadn't planned that far ahead!

    Of course, what ever power I picked I'd probably get bored with in a few days and wish I'd picked something else.
  • Anon 2008-07-16 14:23
    If ever asked the super power question, I'd make sure not to answer X-Ray vision. I can't think of anything that would make you look more of a pervert than that.

    I'd also not answer laser / heat vision. Makes you look like a psychopath.

    The save game idea is neat, but it makes you look like you make a lot of mistakes and don't want to be held responsible for them.

    On reflection, maybe time travel would be a good answer. You can say you'd use it for learning (and not to visit kicking roman orgies) because you have a live long love of learning. And you'd like to time travel so you have more time to work!
  • Anon 2008-07-16 14:24
    If ever asked the super power question, I'd make sure not to answer X-Ray vision. I can't think of anything that would make you look more of a pervert than that.

    I'd also not answer laser / heat vision. Makes you look like a psychopath.

    The save game idea is neat, but it makes you look like you make a lot of mistakes and don't want to be held responsible for them.

    On reflection, maybe time travel would be a good answer. You can say you'd use it for learning (and not to visit kicking roman orgies) because you have a live long love of learning. And you'd like to time travel so you have more time to work!
  • DangerMouse9 2008-07-16 14:30
    jbrecken:
    Anon:
    think it was due to agreeing with my new boss that being invisible would be the best superhero ability to possess.

    It's funny, that was exactly what I was thinking when I saw the super power question. Either great minds think alike, or we're all perverts.

    Real perverts choose shape shifting. Not only can you use it to sneak into women's locker rooms, but you can also do freaky Zeus tricks like turning into a swan in the middle of coitus.


    If you're getting laid why would you need sneak into a locker room?

    Now, rather than have the power of invisibility, I think having the power of illusion would be much better. If you can make people think they see/hear something, you could have so much fun screwing with people.

    Plus, you could give off the illusion that you're not standing there gawking in the locker room.
  • James 2008-07-16 14:30
    TRWTF for the last one is sneaking around to get a new job. Grow some damn stones -- you're not looking for a new job for no reason, so tell your boss what the reason is. You want more money? You don't like what you're working on? Worst case (e.g. you hate your boss), make something up, but you really shouldn't have to do it behind your boss's back.
  • Buddy 2008-07-16 14:36
    Anon:
    If ever asked the super power question, I'd make sure not to answer X-Ray vision. I can't think of anything that would make you look more of a pervert than that.

    I'd also not answer laser / heat vision. Makes you look like a psychopath.

    The save game idea is neat, but it makes you look like you make a lot of mistakes and don't want to be held responsible for them.

    On reflection, maybe time travel would be a good answer. You can say you'd use it for learning (and not to visit kicking roman orgies) because you have a live long love of learning. And you'd like to time travel so you have more time to work!


    Maybe the worst answer would be the ability to render people violently and uncontrollably insane. I would use it though, especially in a job I knew I wouldn't like, just to see the reaction.
  • Satanicpuppy 2008-07-16 14:40
    Bryan:
    I have to disagree with invisibility being the best super power. over a few weeks, some friends and I all did a study on what would be the best super power based on the following criteria.

    1. potential for profit.
    2. potential for helping mankind.
    3. probability of being caught, stuck in a lab and studied if exposed.

    The idea was to find the power with which you could achieve the most results with the least bit of detection.

    Flying would be fun but the first time you flew, the government would catch you and you would be hidden in area 51 for the remainder of your years.

    Invisibility sounds nice but doesn't imply that you have no mass. So you are invisible but still have to use doors, make zero noise, and mask your body heat and odor. You can still be hit by a car when you have forgotten that you are invisible as you are walking through a cross walk. It is just not good.

    Just a couple examples.
    at any rate, after analyzing every power we could think of from breathing under water to "My seamen cures cancer" (that one had potential)

    We deduced that mind control over others was the best.
    You can achieve any human action through no actions of your own.

    You can:
    make your boss give you a raise.

    Make the banker err in your favor for a few grand and make his boss not fire him for it.

    Make "the man" Lower the price of gas

    Sure w/ invisibility, you can go into the girl's locker room but with mind control, they come over to your house. :)



    Meh, takes all the fun out of it. Give me "See the future" any day. You'd need the real deal, where you have control over it, not where you just get cryptic crap on occasion.
  • akatherder 2008-07-16 14:47
    In the vein of superpowers and job interviews... when the interviewer inevitably asks what your biggest weakness is, you should answer "Kryptonite".
  • Dmitri 2008-07-16 15:00
    Mr Squid:
    The minimum wage guy almost certainly burned his bridge too soon. Companies do not stay in business for 20 years, particularly in a field where incompetent companies tend to crash fast, by treating their employees like dirt. The interviewer probably misused a term that he did not fully understand.

    Why couldn't they be more specific and reveal an exact figure ;)?
  • Tyler 2008-07-16 15:05
    mauhiz:
    I would have told him : "Numbers, numbers, my favourite is 215 because it is the 666th decimal of Pi in base 666."

    This is better than quoting the Kabbala, and super-evil geek.


    I think you need to rethink your math there...
  • FredSaw 2008-07-16 15:06
    Satanicpuppy:
    Give me "See the future" any day. You'd need the real deal, where you have control over it, not where you just get cryptic crap on occasion.
    I'll see your "See the future" and raise you one: see all possible future universes and get to pick which one you go to.
  • DangerMouse9 2008-07-16 15:10
    FredSaw:
    Satanicpuppy:
    Give me "See the future" any day. You'd need the real deal, where you have control over it, not where you just get cryptic crap on occasion.
    I'll see your "See the future" and raise you one: see all possible future universes and get to pick which one you go to.


    I'll raise with "giving Wheels the ability to walk" afterall, with Prof. X as your bitch he can control all the other mutants and make them do whatever your bidding was. MWAHAHAHAAA!
  • Crabs 2008-07-16 15:20
    James:
    TRWTF for the last one is sneaking around to get a new job. Grow some damn stones -- you're not looking for a new job for no reason, so tell your boss what the reason is. You want more money? You don't like what you're working on? Worst case (e.g. you hate your boss), make something up, but you really shouldn't have to do it behind your boss's back.


    Many employers will fire you if they find out you're looking for another job, as you're seen as bad for company morale. I'd assume he would want to keep his old job until he found a suitable new job (SOP for anyone with a brain. Don't leave yourself without an income).
  • PK 2008-07-16 15:27

    I once decided I'd be a rebel and have a pint of beer with my pizza lunch. The instant it appeared on my table, in walks my bosses AA, and the AA for human resources.


    Wow, that will take some getting used to. In grad school your professor is more likely than not to join you for that lunchtime beer ;)

    (Once spent 3 hours at the campus pub on a Friday afternoon with prof and research group)
  • real_aardvark 2008-07-16 15:48
    "Would you actually review my salary after 3 months to a 300% increase?"

    Well, I can understand why you'd expect to have to pay a really brillant web designer or sysadmin something in the region of $40,000 a year, but for a half-way decent administrative assistant?

    Forget it.
  • Erzengel 2008-07-16 15:50
    Anon:
    If ever asked the super power question,
    The save game idea is neat, but it makes you look like you make a lot of mistakes and don't want to be held responsible for them.


    I hadn't thought of it that way, but I would say that it would allow me to take more and bigger risks than I usually would. I only take risks when I know there's a fallback, a safety net. With save games, I would always have a safety net.
  • BentFranklin 2008-07-16 15:51
    Some special powers I'd consider:

    The ability to make any woman love me AND to make her stop loving me

    The ability to make computers do what I mean instead of what I say

    The ability to get eight hours of sleep and still be at work on time no matter when I went to bed

    The ability to unify physics and psychology

    The ability to shunt excess heat energy from earth to outer space without having to rely on radiation

    The ability to be as cool as the new boss in the third story

  • Thunder 2008-07-16 15:54
    James:
    TRWTF for the last one is sneaking around to get a new job. Grow some damn stones -- you're not looking for a new job for no reason, so tell your boss what the reason is. You want more money? You don't like what you're working on? Worst case (e.g. you hate your boss), make something up, but you really shouldn't have to do it behind your boss's back.


    Still in school, eh? So - you tell your boss you don't like working conditions. He tells you "ok, then get out" - because (in the US at least) employment is typically "at will"; meaning that you can get fired at any time, for any reason or for no reason at all.

    So ... I suppose if you have no interest in ensuring that you have continued employment, your suggestion works well. But as for the rest of us in the real world... we'll have to "sneak around".
  • PublicLurker 2008-07-16 15:55
    PK:

    I once decided I'd be a rebel and have a pint of beer with my pizza lunch. The instant it appeared on my table, in walks my bosses AA, and the AA for human resources.


    Wow, that will take some getting used to. In grad school your professor is more likely than not to join you for that lunchtime beer ;)

    (Once spent 3 hours at the campus pub on a Friday afternoon with prof and research group)


    That brings back memories. I remember spending 3 hours at the pub with the professor between their final and a second one. I finished the second 3 hour final in 45 minutes, and while I aced it, I was pretty nervous that the pub visit wasn't the smartest thing I could have done.
  • real_aardvark 2008-07-16 16:00
    FredSaw:
    jbrecken:
    ...but you can also do freaky Zeus tricks like turning into a swan in the middle of coitus.
    Hence the classic line from The Big Bopper: "I feel real loose, like a long-necked goose".

    And yeah, I know Jerry Lee made it famous. But the Bopper wrote it.
    And there was I thinking that you were going to complain that Keith had mis-quoted the title of a Who song.

    Mind you, "Meet the new boss, eats at the same restaurant as the old boss" would probably have been too tricky a rhythm even for Keith Moon to master.
  • real_aardvark 2008-07-16 16:03
    Erzengel:
    Technically, it would be "impossible" (using current science) for a living thing to be naturally invisible without the aid of technology.
    Petitio principii again.

    What's with this site lately and an inability to think coherently?

    Must. Drink. Nother. Quart. Tequila.
  • Steve (A different one from The Starting Salary Steve) 2008-07-16 16:10
    Anon:
    think it was due to agreeing with my new boss that being invisible would be the best superhero ability to possess.

    It's funny, that was exactly what I was thinking when I saw the super power question. Either great minds think alike, or we're all perverts.
    I guess maybe I'm strange but I've never wanted a super power and if asked in an interview, I think the interview would be over right then and there.

    TRWTF in the first two stories is how crappy jobs can be. I thought that the radio broadcasting business was pretty bad but it sounds as if the rest of the private sector sucks pretty badly, too.
  • SomeCoder 2008-07-16 16:21
    real_aardvark:
    "Would you actually review my salary after 3 months to a 300% increase?"

    Well, I can understand why you'd expect to have to pay a really brillant web designer or sysadmin something in the region of $40,000 a year, but for a half-way decent administrative assistant?

    Forget it.


    Well, I don't know where you live but where I live, I'd expect to pay a half way decent admin assistant around $35k per year and a really "brillant" web designer around $65k per year. The sysadmin (also just as "brillant") would go for at least $70k per year and probably a lot more than that if they were really that brilliant.
  • SQB 2008-07-16 16:23
    Crabs:
    I guess if you stop believing in constructs like love, and wish only for physical benefits, then mind control can be considered the best superpower. I prefer agelessness, but it suffers from a similar problem, since you must force yourself to not become attached to those who will die, or else your entire existence will be suffering.
    I think someone wrote a book about that.
  • lokey 2008-07-16 16:24
    anon:
    25.806975801127880315188420605149 is the root of all evil


    Is that square root or cube root or ??
  • FredSaw 2008-07-16 16:25
    Erzengel:
    As far as super powers go, we're assuming there is a certain ability to get around natural laws of physics, etc.
    I recall reading somewhere* that someone wrote to Isaac Asimov, complaining that a Superman comic had depicted him flying faster than the speed of light, and asking Asimov's corroboration that Einstein's theory of relativity proved this was impossible.

    Asimov's reply: "Einstein's theory is just that: a theory. Superman's flying is a fact."


    *I don't know where I read it, and it certainly may be apocryphal. If you have details, feel free to post away.
  • FredSaw 2008-07-16 16:29
    SQB:
    Crabs:
    I guess if you stop believing in constructs like love, and wish only for physical benefits, then mind control can be considered the best superpower. I prefer agelessness, but it suffers from a similar problem, since you must force yourself to not become attached to those who will die, or else your entire existence will be suffering.
    I think someone wrote a book about that.
    Takes a lot of the fun out of Hancock, too.
  • Erzengel 2008-07-16 16:31
    real_aardvark:
    Erzengel:
    Technically, it would be "impossible" (using current science) for a living thing to be naturally invisible without the aid of technology.
    Petitio principii again.

    What's with this site lately and an inability to think coherently?

    Must. Drink. Nother. Quart. Tequila.


    WTF is that supposed to mean? I'm saying, "According to our science, Superheroes cannot exist. Therefore, if we operate in a world where superheros exist, we cannot apply our science to them." Therefore, the argument that you cannot see whilst invisible is incorrect because you are applying our science to a world where our science cannot apply. Like applying quantum mechanics to planetary motion. It does not work.
  • lokey 2008-07-16 16:35
    [quote user="K&T"][quote=Erzengel]
    Unless, of course, as I imagine in my case, "quick save" just creates a new save game named "quick save 1", "quick save 2", "quick save 3125972", etc, so you don't actually lose any data while quick saving. There are games like that, so that's how I imagine the super power being.
    [/quote]

    I like the autosaving concept. Just have it set up to where you can load from any particular point in time.
    [/quote]

    Just give me the cheat codes for unlimited life, endless ammo, etc.
  • Franz Kafka 2008-07-16 16:50
    I'll pick teleportation - anywhere, any time, as often as I like. This requires that I be able to see enough of my destination to know that it's safe and also bring my clothes with me. It'd also be nice to be able to control a magic door - the other side can be 1000 miles away on the beach or something.
  • real_aardvark 2008-07-16 16:52
    SomeCoder:
    real_aardvark:
    "Would you actually review my salary after 3 months to a 300% increase?"

    Well, I can understand why you'd expect to have to pay a really brillant web designer or sysadmin something in the region of $40,000 a year, but for a half-way decent administrative assistant?

    Forget it.


    Well, I don't know where you live but where I live, I'd expect to pay a half way decent admin assistant around $35k per year and a really "brillant" web designer around $65k per year. The sysadmin (also just as "brillant") would go for at least $70k per year and probably a lot more than that if they were really that brilliant.
    It was either venomous sarcasm or else unjustifiable personal prejudice. Take your pick.
  • SuperousOxide 2008-07-16 16:56
    Mr Squid:
    The minimum wage guy almost certainly burned his bridge too soon. Companies do not stay in business for 20 years, particularly in a field where incompetent companies tend to crash fast, by treating their employees like dirt. The interviewer probably misused a term that he did not fully understand. By throwing a tantrum our hero probably lost out on a decent-paying job. The real WTF here is that he never confirmed his suspicion before acting on it. Not the sort of person I would want working for me.


    He was already ready to turn down the job because they wanted him to be sys admin and office assistant on top of the web developer job. The fact that the interviewer who offered him the job didn't even know what the salary was, and seemed surprised that he wanted to know was just the last straw. (And expecting him to start the next day? This sounds more like hiring a minimum wage fry cook than a web developer)
  • Franz Kafka 2008-07-16 16:56
    Mr Squid:
    The minimum wage guy almost certainly burned his bridge too soon. Companies do not stay in business for 20 years, particularly in a field where incompetent companies tend to crash fast, by treating their employees like dirt. The interviewer probably misused a term that he did not fully understand. By throwing a tantrum our hero probably lost out on a decent-paying job. The real WTF here is that he never confirmed his suspicion before acting on it. Not the sort of person I would want working for me.


    TFA:
    He looked at me funny and declared that he wasn't sure what the minimum wage was exactly but that his partner would handle that part of the deal. "Minimum wage?!" I asked, incredulous.

    He tried to reassure me. "Well, that would be a probation salary for 3 months. If your performance is satisfactory, we would review your salary at that point."


    Nope, the company really meant minimum wage.
  • danixdefcon5 2008-07-16 16:56
    lokey:

    Just give me the cheat codes for unlimited life, endless ammo, etc.

    IDDQD

    IDKFA
  • Jason 2008-07-16 17:12
    Satanicpuppy:

    I once decided I'd be a rebel and have a pint of beer with my pizza lunch. The instant it appeared on my table, in walks my bosses AA, and the AA for human resources.


    In Seattle those people would be buying beer for you. Move West!
  • Anon 2008-07-16 17:13
    Erzengel:
    Anon:
    If ever asked the super power question,
    The save game idea is neat, but it makes you look like you make a lot of mistakes and don't want to be held responsible for them.


    I hadn't thought of it that way, but I would say that it would allow me to take more and bigger risks than I usually would. I only take risks when I know there's a fallback, a safety net. With save games, I would always have a safety net.


    Touché - good come back. See, these are the kind of answers such questions are looking for.
  • Anon 2008-07-16 17:14
    Steve (A different one from The Starting Salary Steve):
    Anon:
    think it was due to agreeing with my new boss that being invisible would be the best superhero ability to possess.

    It's funny, that was exactly what I was thinking when I saw the super power question. Either great minds think alike, or we're all perverts.
    I guess maybe I'm strange but I've never wanted a super power and if asked in an interview, I think the interview would be over right then and there.


    You're right there. Since you clearly don't have a sense of humor, I wouldn't hire you.
  • SomeCoder 2008-07-16 17:17
    real_aardvark:
    It was either venomous sarcasm or else unjustifiable personal prejudice. Take your pick.


    Well, my sarcasm detector is really broken today (more caffeine is needed) so I'll pick that one :)
  • Dan 2008-07-16 17:21
    Mr Squid:
    The minimum wage guy almost certainly burned his bridge too soon. Companies do not stay in business for 20 years, particularly in a field where incompetent companies tend to crash fast, by treating their employees like dirt. The interviewer probably misused a term that he did not fully understand. By throwing a tantrum our hero probably lost out on a decent-paying job. The real WTF here is that he never confirmed his suspicion before acting on it. Not the sort of person I would want working for me.


    Counterexample: I worked at a salvage yard in my pre-graduate days. It had been in business for a similar amount of time. It was a family owned business originally run by a father of about 6 kids. Now it was mainly run by the most responsible one, but the others still showed up for a couple of hours, did some stuff, and skimmed a good amount of money for it. Last I heard, the son who mostly ran the business got tired of the other siblings and started his own company. The original business since then has suffered major layoffs.

    Another company I once interviewed for (also while pre-graduate) was looking for a full-time Perl programmer. But $10,000/year was too steep for them. (This was in the mid '90's)

    Then there's a construction company I heard about through a friend who's a civil drafter, known for doing excellent work and had a preferred status as a contractor for their jobs. Then nepotism took over and they folded within a couple of years, due to bad management, cutting corners, etc.

    Moral: Don't assume that a company has it all together just because they've been in business for a while. And don't assume that everybody knows the value of technical jobs.
  • Wayne 2008-07-16 17:26
    A wormhole generator.

    I can make it tiny to see anything anywhere without anyone noticing, or big enough to walk through.

    Money won't be a problem... I can find and grab precious metals or other valuables in places where conventional technology can't get at them profitably.

    I can live anywhere I like and get to anywhere else quickly.

    If I need a new identity, the wormhole should make it easy to get passwords and learn security loopholes in DMV's and such, get new drivers licenses, and so forth.

    It makes a nifty birth control method... go through her reproductive system once a month and pull out the egg as it travels down.

    And it makes delivering babies a hell of a lot easier. Open the wormhole just inside the birth canal, and significantly larger, and she pushes a bit and the baby pops right out into your arms several feet away without any stretching.

    Want a nice dinner? Find a wild animal of your choice (I'm partial to rabbits myself) with your wormhole, open it wider, pull it through, kill it, skin it, and eat it. Wash it down with the freshest, purest water on Earth straight from its stream to your kitchen.
  • Anon 2008-07-16 17:31
    The save game one seems the most useful as long as you get to keep your memories and so on intact (instead of say mostly intact). It also lets you do very interesting things although some of them would be very annoying to do depending on how things work. You’d be close to immortal, have infinite time to do figure anything out (if not actually do something) and also be capable of essentially time travel (actual time travel if you can alternate between two save points decades apart).
  • Lastchance 2008-07-16 18:08
    jbrecken:
    Anon:
    think it was due to agreeing with my new boss that being invisible would be the best superhero ability to possess.

    It's funny, that was exactly what I was thinking when I saw the super power question. Either great minds think alike, or we're all perverts.

    Real perverts choose shape shifting. Not only can you use it to sneak into women's locker rooms, but you can also do freaky Zeus tricks like turning into a swan in the middle of coitus.

    My first (perverted) thought was Mr. Fantastic's power. Better than shape shifting, assuming the shape shifter has to stick to existing objects/creatures. But generally the same idea.
  • Lastchance 2008-07-16 18:11
    Bryan:
    I have to disagree with invisibility being the best super power. over a few weeks, some friends and I all did a study on what would be the best super power based on the following criteria.

    1. potential for profit.
    2. potential for helping mankind.
    3. probability of being caught, stuck in a lab and studied if exposed.

    The idea was to find the power with which you could achieve the most results with the least bit of detection.

    Flying would be fun but the first time you flew, the government would catch you and you would be hidden in area 51 for the remainder of your years.

    Invisibility sounds nice but doesn't imply that you have no mass. So you are invisible but still have to use doors, make zero noise, and mask your body heat and odor. You can still be hit by a car when you have forgotten that you are invisible as you are walking through a cross walk. It is just not good.

    Just a couple examples.
    at any rate, after analyzing every power we could think of from breathing under water to "My seamen cures cancer" (that one had potential)

    We deduced that mind control over others was the best.
    You can achieve any human action through no actions of your own.

    You can:
    make your boss give you a raise.

    Make the banker err in your favor for a few grand and make his boss not fire him for it.

    Make "the man" Lower the price of gas

    Sure w/ invisibility, you can go into the girl's locker room but with mind control, they come over to your house. :)

    Has nobody here watched "Heroes"? The best power, obviously, is absorbing other superhero powers.
  • Flash 2008-07-16 18:42
    Bryan:
    "My seamen cures cancer" (that one had potential)

    So...you want to be in the Navy?
  • FredSaw 2008-07-16 18:48
    real_aardvark:
    Mind you, "Meet the new boss, eats at the same restaurant as the old boss" would probably have been too tricky a rhythm even for Keith Moon to master.
    How about, "Meet the new boss: hide from the old boss"?
  • Mr.'; Drop Database -- 2008-07-16 19:01
    The correct answer to the superpower question is "healing eye beams".
  • Nate 2008-07-16 19:04
    Satanicpuppy:
    RandomDreamer:
    TRWTF is choosing a nearby restaurant where your boss/coworker normally would go.

    On the other hand that is hilarious setup for a comedy sitcom episode.


    I once decided I'd be a rebel and have a pint of beer with my pizza lunch. The instant it appeared on my table, in walks my bosses AA, and the AA for human resources.

    Not great, but I don't really care about them, and frankly one beer should be acceptable for anyone.

    Within the next 5 minutes they were joined by (in order), my Boss, the head of HR, and the CEO.

    I ended up swiping a straw, and drinking the whole pint through it.

    Moral of the story; if you stay near work, you accept that you can run into anyone


    I used to work for one of the Virgin companies, and if this happened there, the likely next event would be them saying "my round, what you having?" :P
  • Erzengel 2008-07-16 19:08
    Lastchance:
    Has nobody here watched "Heroes"? The best power, obviously, is absorbing other superhero powers.

    Especially when you don't leave a string of dead when you do it. But that assumes the existance of other super heroes.

    And yes, I actually thought of Rogue (not Silar or Peter), but decided I'd rather just have my one, save game ability.
  • Steve (A different one from The Starting Salary Steve) 2008-07-16 19:11
    Anon:
    Steve (A different one from The Starting Salary Steve):
    Anon:
    think it was due to agreeing with my new boss that being invisible would be the best superhero ability to possess.

    It's funny, that was exactly what I was thinking when I saw the super power question. Either great minds think alike, or we're all perverts.
    I guess maybe I'm strange but I've never wanted a super power and if asked in an interview, I think the interview would be over right then and there.


    You're right there. Since you clearly don't have a sense of humor, I wouldn't hire you.
    Excellent. Because I wouldn't want to work somewhere that having the same sense of humor as the interviewer was a prerequisite. Especially one based upon a pastime which most adults have long left behind, that of reading comic books.

    I'd rather work for someone I'd respect.
  • Nate 2008-07-16 19:12
    How do you feel about numbers?

    42

    Enough said.
  • Erzengel 2008-07-16 19:35
    Steve (A different one from The Starting Salary Steve):
    Especially one based upon a pastime which most adults have long left behind, that of reading comic books.


    Now I'd be really glad if the interviewer didn't give you the job. "Most adults have left behind"? Who are you to speak for "most adults"? You sound like just another Suit-And-Tie Drone that I really, really loathe working for and with. Someone who blanketly shows disdain for comics, games, and other leisurely activity. "Only kids play video games." "Only kids read comic books." Etc.
    You would be the "unfun" sort of person, contrast to the "fun" sort of people mentioned in the article.
  • danixdefcon5 2008-07-16 19:50
    Lastchance:
    Has nobody here watched "Heroes"? The best power, obviously, is absorbing other superhero powers.
    I haven't but I think Rogue has had that ability decades before Heroes began airing on TV.

    I'd go with Wolverine's regenerative ability. At least that's one power that is mildly achievable by current science... ;)
  • Random832 2008-07-16 20:04
    Lastchance:
    Has nobody here watched "Heroes"? The best power, obviously, is absorbing other superhero powers.

    Only problem - no other superheroes in this world.
  • Matt.C 2008-07-16 20:26
    Has nobody here watched "Heroes"? The best power, obviously, is absorbing other superhero powers.


    Yeppo. The most critical power is to have power over power.
    (You watched 'The 4400' out there?)

    Rewind (though it's buggy in actual implementations in emulators because part of the state gets out of sync) beats quick save every time.


    Other, lesser critical powers are those over everything else. Time's pretty much the best of these as everything's wrapped up in time.

    Time Sweepers rock the kasbah, of course.
  • Justin Wielly 2008-07-16 21:21
    Dude with that many years in the business, I am surprised you just dont start your own business and work for yourself.

    JT
    www.Ultimate-Anonymity.com
  • Steve 2008-07-16 21:47
    The real WTF is that in the US, a man cannot have a beer with his meal. In parts of Europe it is culturally the custom to have, well a glass of wine but beer is not ruled out - with a meal.

    My European clients ruled that I had to have a beer with them (and they could say that as they were paying for my services) despite what my US parent company said.
  • Steve 2008-07-16 21:52
    Mr Squid:
    The minimum wage guy almost certainly burned his bridge too soon. Companies do not stay in business for 20 years, particularly in a field where incompetent companies tend to crash fast, by treating their employees like dirt. The interviewer probably misused a term that he did not fully understand. By throwing a tantrum our hero probably lost out on a decent-paying job. The real WTF here is that he never confirmed his suspicion before acting on it. Not the sort of person I would want working for me.


    It might be that the minimum band for a SysAdmin would pay more than a designer and that therefore the interviewer was stating his pitch knowing full well that the interviwee might pitch higher accordingly....
  • Steve (A different one from The Starting Salary Steve) 2008-07-16 22:01
    Erzengel:
    Steve (A different one from The Starting Salary Steve):
    Especially one based upon a pastime which most adults have long left behind, that of reading comic books.


    Now I'd be really glad if the interviewer didn't give you the job. "Most adults have left behind"? Who are you to speak for "most adults"? You sound like just another Suit-And-Tie Drone that I really, really loathe working for and with. Someone who blanketly shows disdain for comics, games, and other leisurely activity. "Only kids play video games." "Only kids read comic books." Etc.
    You would be the "unfun" sort of person, contrast to the "fun" sort of people mentioned in the article.
    Nope. Haven't worn a suit or tie on the job ever, not here, not anywhere in the past thirty years. In fact, I've turned down jobs where I'd have to wear one -- canceled interviews, as a matter of fact. Hell, I rarely wear shoes (and I have some colleagues whom I've never seen in long pants -- I suspect at least one doesn't even own any).

    If your idea of "fun" is imagining that you have super powers, then by all means, imagine away. Far be it from me to stop you.

    But the notion of asking an interviewee what super power he'd want just struck me as completely absurd and a waste of time -- not to mention a clear indication of lack of intellectual depth. Certainly not someone for whom I'd have much respect.

    I guess we just have a different idea of what's "fun". Personally, I like working with some of the best scientists in the world, learning new things, and, sometimes, experiencing the excitement of true discovery. I occasionally still get the giggles when I arrive on campus in the morning and realize that I get to work here and do the things I get to do with the people I get to do them with. Sometimes I just stop at the door and say "Wow! They let me work here."

    And, except at Site Review time, there ain't a suit or a tie to be found.

    But, hey, up, up, and away.
  • JAlexoid 2008-07-16 22:25
    >>Moral of the story; if you stay near work, you accept that you can run into anyone

    Man, you're "up tight". If I am sitting down on wednesday during lunch with a glass of wine, our CEO will probably ask me if I am enjoying my wine and would probably join me and order some wine also.
    Why? Because we are confident at our workplace! And our bosses are confident that we can reason on what to do and when to do it.
  • AlpineR 2008-07-17 00:11
    Erzengel:
    For me, what I want is the ability to Save Game.
    Wouldn't that superpower likely turn into a curse, like the Midas touch?

    On the first day, you realize that you made some mistakes and start over. On the second time through you do better, but there's still room for improvement so you start again. After several tries you think you got the day close to perfect and move on to day two.

    But on day two you learn that you should have done something different on day one. Back you go, reoptimizing day one and then starting to reoptimize day two.

    Eventually, after an enormous amount of effort, you get several years into your life and realize that you missed an opportunity in the early days. Do you go back and correct that decision? Or do you just live with it and build upon the history already laid?

    It seems like your life would become filled with fretting over the past, boredom from reliving days ad nauseum, and nostalgia for futures that you lost when you went back and made a change.
  • AC 2008-07-17 00:20
    "Within the next 5 minutes they were joined by (in order), my Boss, the head of HR, and the CEO."

    I feel better about my jobs now: I don't know about my head of HR, but my boss and my CEO would likely have paid for my beer and bought me another.
  • Grrr 2008-07-17 03:15
    BentFranklin:
    Some special powers I'd consider:

    The ability to make any woman love me AND to make her stop loving me


    The second part happens naturally, might just take some time.
  • Pjotr G 2008-07-17 04:37
    I find it slightly disturbing that so many people would choose/use superpowers to get away with ethically unacceptable behaviour.

    This implies that the only thing holding you guys back from reverting to this kind of behaviour, is the fact that you might get cought.

    So I go another route; I want the ability control whether my actions have any moral repercussions or not. It's not even really a superpower, I want a star trek 'holodeck' and then all those earlier mentioned superpowers.

    :D
  • Mad Morf 2008-07-17 06:45
    BentFranklin:
    The ability to shunt excess heat energy from earth to outer space without having to rely on radiation


    Brillant!

    That's the answer..An atmospheric heat sink!

    Use Space Elevator technology to attach a giant heatsink to the Earth on one end and let the other hang out in space...
  • Eddi 2008-07-17 06:59
    Satanicpuppy:
    and frankly one beer should be acceptable for anyone.

    if you were working in bavaria, one beer is actually mandatory to every meal ;)
  • cklam 2008-07-17 07:47
    Eddi:
    Satanicpuppy:
    and frankly one beer should be acceptable for anyone.

    if you were working in bavaria, one beer is actually mandatory to every meal ;)


    If you are brewery worker (emphasis on worker) - yes. Otherwise, alcohol on your breath will get fired right quick anywhere in Germany (especially in an office job). It's of one the few instances where the law of the land, the court verdicts and current workplace practices come together. If you very lucky you'll get away with a formal written admonishment.

    Note: I am not an english native speaker and this post is showing it. I hope you get the idea. Feel free to correct me.
  • FrankNorman 2008-07-17 07:55
    Most of those wished-for "superpowers" sound like a Faustian bargain; something you happen to want but can't otherwise get, in exchange for your soul. A lot of short-term fun, but with a heavy long-term cost.

    In many cases, the "damnation" would be inherent in the use of the power itself. The Mind-Control guy would never have normal relationships, friends, or anything. Ditto the Invisible Man - once people found out he could do it! Most of the others would soon end up either in a government lab, or as fugitives.
  • Ren 2008-07-17 08:34
    Invisibility? Weird, I would've gone with mind control, if influenced by the situation. In most other cases, teleportation's the way to go. Job far away? PLOT! Want some chinese but it's raining? PLOT! Bean counters giving you hard time? PLOT! PLOT!

    The last interview also reminds me of my last review meeting with my boss, where we spent the last 30 minutes or so exchanging histories and minutiae from NetHack. I wonder if that counts as a perk...
  • Anon 2008-07-17 08:36
    Steve (A different one from The Starting Salary Steve):
    Erzengel:
    Steve (A different one from The Starting Salary Steve):
    Especially one based upon a pastime which most adults have long left behind, that of reading comic books.


    Now I'd be really glad if the interviewer didn't give you the job. "Most adults have left behind"? Who are you to speak for "most adults"? You sound like just another Suit-And-Tie Drone that I really, really loathe working for and with. Someone who blanketly shows disdain for comics, games, and other leisurely activity. "Only kids play video games." "Only kids read comic books." Etc.
    You would be the "unfun" sort of person, contrast to the "fun" sort of people mentioned in the article.
    Nope. Haven't worn a suit or tie on the job ever, not here, not anywhere in the past thirty years. In fact, I've turned down jobs where I'd have to wear one -- canceled interviews, as a matter of fact. Hell, I rarely wear shoes (and I have some colleagues whom I've never seen in long pants -- I suspect at least one doesn't even own any).

    If your idea of "fun" is imagining that you have super powers, then by all means, imagine away. Far be it from me to stop you.

    But the notion of asking an interviewee what super power he'd want just struck me as completely absurd and a waste of time -- not to mention a clear indication of lack of intellectual depth. Certainly not someone for whom I'd have much respect.

    I guess we just have a different idea of what's "fun". Personally, I like working with some of the best scientists in the world, learning new things, and, sometimes, experiencing the excitement of true discovery. I occasionally still get the giggles when I arrive on campus in the morning and realize that I get to work here and do the things I get to do with the people I get to do them with. Sometimes I just stop at the door and say "Wow! They let me work here."

    And, except at Site Review time, there ain't a suit or a tie to be found.

    But, hey, up, up, and away.


    Wow! You really do miss the point don't you? I don't read comic books and have never been that much into superheros, but I can ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION. If you're going to get so bent out of shape about a question in an interview, I don't want to work anywhere near you.
    The question probes your creativity, and tells us something about you and your motivations. Clearly if you can't think of a superpower you'd like to have and an interesting justification for why you'd pick it and what you'd do with it, then you're not very creative. It's a useful exercise in business to brainstorm along the lines of "what if we could do anything?". It can generate a lot of great ideas (even if a lot of them are impossible), but clearly you would refuse to participate.
    I suggest you remove the stick from your ass.
  • KenW 2008-07-17 08:51
    mathew:
    Maybe it's me, but I don't see what's so wrong about the "Can you be more specific?" questions.


    Then you shouldn't be doing interviews, any more than that interviewer should have.

    mathew:
    If I were asked the question about numbers, I'd assume it was a lead-in to the interviewer wanting me to talk about the importance of accurate BCD-based fixed point arithmetic in banking applications, rather than inaccurate binary floating point.


    Except that isn't what the interviewer asked now, is it? You know what they say about "assume", right? What if the interviewer was looking to find out if you were familiar with hex numbers instead? You've answered wrong.

    And if you can't talk about your preferred methodology for testing, you shouldn't be developing software.


    Except again, that isn't what the interviewer asked him. What if the interviewer had meant "How do you feel about our policy of mandatory drug testing?" instead. You'd sound pretty stupid about talking about TDD and unit tests then, wouldn't you?

    The bottom line is that, if the interviewer wanted to know something specific, the interviewer should ask a specific question. If he was too stupid to do that, he should find someone else to do it for him.

    And if you're nerdy enough to go into an interview and go into a spiel about "accurate BCD-based fixed point arithmetic in banking applications" when asked such an open-ended generic question as "How do you feel about numbers?", you're a totally-unfit-for-the-company-of-real-people type basement dwelling geek who shouldn't be allowed in the company of humans other than his mother.
  • KenW 2008-07-17 08:54
    fruey:
    Otis P Criblecoblis:
    Team lead: How do you feel about numbers?

    I like most numbers. Except threes. Threes are evil. Threes cause most of the problems in the world. Death to threes!!!


    Two's company, three's are evil


    Except 3.1415926535897932384626433832795. I like pi.
  • KenW 2008-07-17 09:04
    pig_vomit:
    This website is ridiculous. He meant smoke pot. He doesn't have to specify that. Everyone here thinks they are so smart and end up making themselves look stupid.


    Like you? This isn't a website. It's a blog. Saying it's a website makes you look stupid, like pig vomit.
  • KenW 2008-07-17 09:20
    James:
    TRWTF for the last one is sneaking around to get a new job. Grow some damn stones -- you're not looking for a new job for no reason, so tell your boss what the reason is. You want more money? You don't like what you're working on? Worst case (e.g. you hate your boss), make something up, but you really shouldn't have to do it behind your boss's back.


    Great! I love it when you kiddies join in the adult conversations!

    Do me a favor though... The grownups are being serious now, so go back to your sandbox and play for a while with the other toddlers, 'kay? You can talk to us later.
  • comicbookgeek 2008-07-17 09:21
    [quote user="Lastchance"][quote user="Bryan"]
    Has nobody here watched "Heroes"? The best power, obviously, is absorbing other superhero powers.[/quote]
    As other people have mentioned, Rogue has that power and has been around well before Heroes and the recent X-men movie trilogy. (To paraphrase Handy), "Read a comic book!")

    The problem with absorbing other people's powers is that a) if you can't control your power, you'll likely kill everyone you touch and b) typically, you only have their powers for a limited time and you tend to lose them at the most plot-critical times.

    I would prefer one, consistent power versus having to find someone with a power and temporarily using theirs.
  • Steve (A different one from The Starting Salary Steve) 2008-07-17 09:39
    Anon:

    Wow! You really do miss the point don't you? I don't read comic books and have never been that much into superheros, but I can ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION. If you're going to get so bent out of shape about a question in an interview, I don't want to work anywhere near you.
    The question probes your creativity, and tells us something about you and your motivations. Clearly if you can't think of a superpower you'd like to have and an interesting justification for why you'd pick it and what you'd do with it, then you're not very creative. It's a useful exercise in business to brainstorm along the lines of "what if we could do anything?". It can generate a lot of great ideas (even if a lot of them are impossible), but clearly you would refuse to participate.
    I suggest you remove the stick from your ass.
    I guess we have different ideas of what constitutes creativity (as do my employers, who have been more than satisfied with my work for the past eighteen years).

    Perhaps my employment situation has been unusual in that most of the interviews I've had have been by the invitation of the employer because they already knew my work and what I can do, thus the game playing and probing for compatibility wasn't necessary. In my present job, I knew most of the players -- some of them quite well as either former colleagues or through previous collaboration.

    We have plenty of creative discussion here -- this is science, after all, and a lot of what we do here has not ever been done before. Anywhere. By anyone. And I'm both proud and delighted to engage in creative discourse to the best of my ability.

    As for the specific question, in the unlikely event someone asked me something like that, I suppose I'd come up with some answer, but, frankly, the sort of interview I've had would be more likely to touch upon, say, the applications of the Radon transform or the Central Slice Theorem than the exploits of the Caped Crusaders. As a matter of fact, I think I got into an argument with one of the people with whom I interviewed about the proper weighting function in a backprojection algorithm.

    No one said anything about "getting bent out of shape about a question in an interview". I endeavor to be polite and respectful (and, by the way, not vulgar in my discourse). I'd certainly try to answer any question as intelligently and completely as possible but given the level of game playing indicated by that specific question and similar ones I've seen described elsewhere in this forum, it would be pretty clear to me that the fit would not be a good one and, mentally, at least, the interview would be effectively over. Fortunately, for all concerned, I've never had to deal with such a situation.

    May I suggest you remove the chip from your shoulder?

    Best wishes

  • ThomsonsPier 2008-07-17 09:45
    There's a fun short story by Michael Marshall Smith about a 'save game' taken out as an insurance policy; it's available in the compendium 'What You Make It'. Hint: make sure your save files don't get corrupted.

    Oh, and I'll take telekinesis.
  • Ren 2008-07-17 11:25

    Has nobody here watched "Heroes"? The best power, obviously, is absorbing other superhero powers.

    As other people have mentioned, Rogue has that power and has been around well before Heroes and the recent X-men movie trilogy. (To paraphrase Handy), "Read a comic book!")

    The problem with absorbing other people's powers is that a) if you can't control your power, you'll likely kill everyone you touch and b) typically, you only have their powers for a limited time and you tend to lose them at the most plot-critical times.

    I would prefer one, consistent power versus having to find someone with a power and temporarily using theirs.


    Not to mention if you happened to be the only one with superpowers, that absorbing ability wouldn't be worth zilch.

    Also, much fail for bringing out Rogue as the absorber. She was downgraded horribly for the "we-love-wolvie" movies, and yes, she doesn't KEEP those powers.
  • Glsai 2008-07-17 12:31
    I think the real WTF is this has gone 3 pages and no one has suggested the force as a superpower. You could fly, cloak yourself, save people, move things with your mind, heal and all that stuff. Plus you'd get to make a sweet lightsaber. Granted it's not a traditional power but it's the one I'd pick... that or the 'game save' one.
  • Lawtonfogle 2008-07-17 13:16
    I think I would go for being able to violate the Second Law of thermodynamics. Don't know exactly how though, but it would be nice.
  • Bob 2008-07-17 13:36
    Meh. 1. All-knowing, 2. Ageless, 3. Shape/size/substance changing.

    It's a complicated thing, the all-knowing. If I ever got it, the first thing I would figure out is how to temporally forget it all.
  • Franz Kafka 2008-07-17 13:50
    Glsai:
    I think the real WTF is this has gone 3 pages and no one has suggested the force as a superpower. You could fly, cloak yourself, save people, move things with your mind, heal and all that stuff. Plus you'd get to make a sweet lightsaber. Granted it's not a traditional power but it's the one I'd pick... that or the 'game save' one.


    That's because Lucas has sold his soul, so it just isn't fun anymore.
  • will 2008-07-17 14:58
    [quote]
    For me, what I want is the ability to Save Game. Seriously, I could Save, try to rob a bank, get killed, Load Game, and try again using knowledge from my first attempt.
    [quote]

    Forget robbing bank, time for a trip to Las Vegas and using the saved positions to make sport and roulette bets.

    If you are looking for a quick win a game of Keno
  • ben 2008-07-17 14:58
    KenW:

    Except that isn't what the interviewer asked now, is it? You know what they say about "assume", right? What if the interviewer was looking to find out if you were familiar with hex numbers instead? You've answered wrong.


    Except the part where you've replied with something germane, relevant, and intelligent to a vague question.

    KenW:

    Except again, that isn't what the interviewer asked him. What if the interviewer had meant "How do you feel about our policy of mandatory drug testing?" instead. You'd sound pretty stupid about talking about TDD and unit tests then, wouldn't you?


    Except, again, that you've done the best you can by providing the most reasonable and intelligent answer to a vague question.

    You could try the OP's approach, of not saying anything, or your approach of contrived game-playing and being an annoying pedant, but I think that giving the best-guess most intelligent answer is going to meet with more success.
  • Ǝ 2008-07-17 15:53
    Bob:
    Meh. 1. All-knowing, 2. Ageless, 3. Shape/size/substance changing.

    It's a complicated thing, the all-knowing. If I ever got it, the first thing I would figure out is how to temporally forget it all.


    You did.
  • Erzengel 2008-07-17 15:55
    will:

    For me, what I want is the ability to Save Game. Seriously, I could Save, try to rob a bank, get killed, Load Game, and try again using knowledge from my first attempt.


    Forget robbing bank, time for a trip to Las Vegas and using the saved positions to make sport and roulette bets.

    If you are looking for a quick win a game of Keno


    Well yeah, but that's not as fun. :-P

    I was actually going to use that as an example for the "why I'd choose that:"
    I usually don't take risks unless there's a safety net. The save game gives me a permanent safety net. So when I go to a native american casino (I live in California), instead of only taking $100 to lose, I would take my life savings and put it on Black 13. When it comes up Red 34, I'll load the save game. My life savings is still in my hand, so I put the money on Red 34. When it comes up Black 20 I find out that life isn't as deterministic as I'd like, and try again until I eventually win or get sick of it (at which point I'll take the money I still have and won't have lost anything).

    Note: That determinism thing is a joke. In reality, so long as I place the bet after the ball starts rolling, it will end up in the same place. Someone used this to cheat the game, setting up a program that would calculate the position of the ball based upon when it passes a certain point on several rotations. The calculation only gave a six number spread (or something like that), but they got more than their money back by putting equal amounts on all six numbers. So obviously, roulette is more than deterministic enough, unless the act of loading/saving causes some sort of disruption.
  • jpers36 2008-07-17 16:21
    Erzengel:

    Note: That determinism thing is a joke. In reality, so long as I place the bet after the ball starts rolling, it will end up in the same place. Someone used this to cheat the game, setting up a program that would calculate the position of the ball based upon when it passes a certain point on several rotations. The calculation only gave a six number spread (or something like that), but they got more than their money back by putting equal amounts on all six numbers. So obviously, roulette is more than deterministic enough, unless the act of loading/saving causes some sort of disruption.


    For those interested, this is detailed in the book "The Newtonian Casino" by Thomas Bass, also known as "The Eudaemonic Pie".
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  • Mr.'; Drop Database -- 2008-07-17 19:04
    FrankNorman:
    In many cases, the "damnation" would be inherent in the use of the power itself. The Mind-Control guy would never have normal relationships, friends, or anything. Ditto the Invisible Man - once people found out he could do it! Most of the others would soon end up either in a government lab, or as fugitives.
    That's why the correct answer is "healing eye beams".
  • Jay 2008-07-18 13:29
    As I get older, I'm well beyond wanting x-ray vision, I'd settle for being able to read for fifteen minutes without my vision blurring. Ability to fly is good, but I'd settle for being able to get through the airport security line without having to take off my shoes and go through the metal detector six times.

    But hey, after reading this thread, I realize that the super-power question can be a great psychological profiler.

    invisibility or x-ray vision: pervert

    mind-control: control freak

    invincibility: excessive risk-taker

    Etc.

    I'm sure that from the interviewer's point of view, the right answer is: "I'd like the superpower of being able to live without food or shelter, so that I could accept a job here even though it only pays minimum wage."

  • Jay 2008-07-18 14:03
    How do I feel about numbers?

    I really love the number 28. I thought she was absolutely perfect. We got married and exchanged rings, but then I had an affair with the square root of 7. It was irrational, I know, but I couldn't help myself. 28 found out about it and left me. I briefly dated 4 + 3i, but our relationship was always so complex, it just didn't work out. Besides, I always had the impression that she just wasn't being real with me. I loved 0/0 but she strung me along for several years and refused to make any commitments; she was just too indeterminate. I thought I really clicked with 0x3F, but social pressures ruined it: her family and friends refused to accept me because I was of a different radix. I tried to win 28 back, but then she met 2 pi. How could I compete with someone who was so transcendental? I got so depressed, for a while I was even hanging out at sleazy bars with -2 and -5, even though I knew they were less than nothing.

    I think my problem is that my relationships are never symmetric. They are too transitive, and I jump from one to another almost reflexively. Maybe it's a disjunction. I should try to get some help, maybe join an Abelian group.
  • fa_f3_20 2008-07-18 16:18
    Some years ago, I was working for company A in Florida. However, I was looking for something else, because company A's managers were a bunch of drama queens and I was fed up with their act. So a contact I knew at company B got me an interview there. I took a vacation day (cleared a week in advance) to go over to company B and interview. It went pretty well, but they told me that one manager who wanted to interview me was traveling that week, and could they schedule an after hours follow-up for the next week. I said sure.

    The next day, I reported for work at company A and was immediately marched into a conference room. There, I was placed on trial, j'accuse fashion. They knew all about the interview; in fact, they knew some of the questions that were asked, and what my answers were. This greatly puzzled me since I had told no one at company A about the interview. After two hours of interrogation, they marched me back to my desk to clean it out, and that was that. After I left, I called my contact at company B and told him what had happened.

    The next morning, company B called me back. I expected a call to schedule the follow-up interview, but instead they had an offer ready, and it was a generous one. And I could start that day if I wanted to. Young, not long out of school, and no savings -- believe me, I wanted to. The manager I was assigned to was surprised to see me; he wasn't aware that he had hired anybody, but he took it in stride. It turned out to be a good job, and I stayed there for about five years.

    It wasn't until a couple of years after I started at company B that I found out the back story. As it turned out, company B's HR manager lived next door to company A's VP. The evening of the day I interviewed at company B, they had a back yard barbeque together, and said HR manager casually mentioned to said VP that company B had interviewed one of company A's employees that day. Needless to say, said VP (who was one of company A's worst drama queens) was very interested, and asked to see the file, which said HR manager was only too happy to provide. The next day, when my contact at company B called HR to find out WTF, someone somewhere (fortunately for me) put together the story and realized that if they didn't hire me and I ever found out what had happend, I'd sue the snot out of them. But it all ended well for me. Not so much for the HR manager, who was fired.
  • 008 2008-07-18 18:41
    My superpower: Dynamic code execution. If someone's being an asshole, all I have to do is say "delete &asshole;", and they disappear. Need a little money? "this->BankAccountBalance=1e100;" (That should be enough to last throughout life several million times over). About to die? "this->CancelImminentDeathStatus();". Full heal!
  • Mr. Bojangles 2008-07-18 20:38
    Buddy :
    Invisibility wouldn't be so great. Technically, you wouldn't be able to see, because your eyes wouldn't absorb any light. If you made an exception that your retina would be visible, then you still couldn't see without an opaque sclera, and a lens. Essentially you would be two bulging eyes floating in space. Quite gross actually.


    UNLESS... you somehow made it that while invisible, your eyes only interacted with light in the infrared range (and your retina could detect infrared light), and were invisible to normal light. Then you'd still be invisible to humans.

    The other limitations would still apply.
  • 'Nally 2008-07-21 04:12
    Anon:
    think it was due to agreeing with my new boss that being invisible would be the best superhero ability to possess.

    It's funny, that was exactly what I was thinking when I saw the super power question. Either great minds think alike, or we're all perverts.
    You might find this episode of the This American Life public radio program interesting.

    The theme of that particular episode is superpowers and in one of the segments they discuss the topic of "which superpower would you rather have: flight or invisibility?" and find an interesting correlation for who tends to choose each power.
  • A 2008-07-21 11:11
    The first story reminds me of a job interview I had a couple months ago.

    The position I was applying for was a programming position, but when they found our I was a system administrator for 5 years they decided I'd fit in good doing that too.

    After several rounds of interviewing they decided I'd be a good fit and my first assignment would be to fix a Linux cluster they were setting up for a client, but couldn't get working.


    I originally told them I'd need $30/hr to start which I though was fair for the kind of work (System admin / programming) they wanted me to do. Thinking in 3 to 6 months I could get a raise. This wasn't the case. They told me they just couldn't afford that. They didn't have a lot of employees and I didn't know what their income was like and I needed a job so I told them I could take $20 and I couldn't go any lower.

    Everything seemed good and we sat and talked about random things for a while. Then he brought up the fact that he sold the Linux cluster no one could get working for $500k.
    That struck a nerve, because it was an 8 node cluster not even using top end hardware from what he told me. Meaning paying me $30/hr shouldn't have been out of the question.

    Just for fun I waited to see what they thought I should be paid and they came back with $12/hr. Needless to say I didn't take the job.
  • profit@wealthysecure.ws 2008-07-23 03:40
    earn some money , is like a basic some people do for their living, between getting a salary or get a bonus from internet this is quite more interesting
  • Steph, not Steve 2008-07-25 13:40
    My reaction was indeed unprofesional but he really was refering to the hourly (Canadian) minimum wage. I suppose my use of the term "salary" was inapropriate in this case. Also, english is not my first language (I live and work in Montreal), which might excuse my poor choice of terms.
  • Garth 2008-07-25 13:58
    Justin Wielly:
    Dude with that many years in the business, I am surprised you just dont start your own business and work for yourself.

    JT
    www.Ultimate-Anonymity.com


    He never mentioned how many years he's been working. The company had been in business for 20 years though.
  • John 2008-07-27 12:44
    As far as selfish powers go, the absolute best would be the ability to guess winning lottery jackpot numbers.
  • itsmo 2008-09-16 04:48
    Charles:
    Who needs a superpower if you have Batman's utility belt?


    "What superpower would you have?" - I was thinking China!
  • itsmo 2008-09-16 05:59
    fa_f3_20:
    Some years ago, I was working for company A in Florida. However, I was looking for something else, because company A's managers were a bunch of drama queens and I was fed up with their act. So a contact I knew at company B got me an interview there. I took a vacation day (cleared a week in advance) to go over to company B and interview. It went pretty well, but they told me that one manager who wanted to interview me was traveling that week, and could they schedule an after hours follow-up for the next week. I said sure.

    The next day, I reported for work at company A and was immediately marched into a conference room. There, I was placed on trial, j'accuse fashion. They knew all about the interview; in fact, they knew some of the questions that were asked, and what my answers were. This greatly puzzled me since I had told no one at company A about the interview. After two hours of interrogation, they marched me back to my desk to clean it out, and that was that. After I left, I called my contact at company B and told him what had happened.

    The next morning, company B called me back. I expected a call to schedule the follow-up interview, but instead they had an offer ready, and it was a generous one. And I could start that day if I wanted to. Young, not long out of school, and no savings -- believe me, I wanted to. The manager I was assigned to was surprised to see me; he wasn't aware that he had hired anybody, but he took it in stride. It turned out to be a good job, and I stayed there for about five years.

    It wasn't until a couple of years after I started at company B that I found out the back story. As it turned out, company B's HR manager lived next door to company A's VP. The evening of the day I interviewed at company B, they had a back yard barbeque together, and said HR manager casually mentioned to said VP that company B had interviewed one of company A's employees that day. Needless to say, said VP (who was one of company A's worst drama queens) was very interested, and asked to see the file, which said HR manager was only too happy to provide. The next day, when my contact at company B called HR to find out WTF, someone somewhere (fortunately for me) put together the story and realized that if they didn't hire me and I ever found out what had happend, I'd sue the snot out of them. But it all ended well for me. Not so much for the HR manager, who was fired.

    Given the 'at will' nature of much employment in the US, it's not much of suprise that the story is the guy was canned by his (somewhat unreasonable) company but that they could be arrogant and stupid enough to quote back interview questions/answers in this 'na-na-na, we know what exactly what you're up to' manner is near-unbelievable. What a bunch of pr!cks - you are well out of there.
  • Kempeth 2011-01-26 05:17
    Well one time I went out for lunch with a colleague we too had our CEO come in and sit at the next table with some customers that were in town for training courses.

    When we ordered the bill we learned that he paid our food too. I prefer this scenario...