You, Jeepies?

  • Jason 2007-06-12 12:37
    What's the deal with companies hiring people who can't talk english to work in their IT departments? I swear it's to hit some kind of quota.
  • henke37 2007-06-12 12:39
    They should have gone through a job fixer instead.
  • Anon 2007-06-12 12:41
    Oh god, is this going to descend into another long flame war about whether or not this story was racist?
  • misha 2007-06-12 12:42
    Jason:
    What's the deal with companies hiring people who can't talk english to work in their IT departments? I swear it's to hit some kind of quota.


    Possibly a PHB somewhere says "Well they all speak Java, who cares if two of them speak only Punjabi and no one can understand the French guy's accent."
  • sol 2007-06-12 12:44
    We don't program in Engish so why should we need to speak it lmao
  • SomeCoder 2007-06-12 12:53
    Rich should have stopped by Chuck's office on the way out, showed him the printed email from Chuck and remind him that explicit instructions to not use the internet or bring a map and then berating someone for following those directions is a sure sign of being a complete asshat.
  • pitchingchris 2007-06-12 13:07
    exited in first paragraph... hmm... excited ?
  • PSWorx 2007-06-12 13:10
    Agreed on the korean woman story but for not being on time, I blame the writer. I think it's common courtesy that you at least look your future workplace up in a map before you get there. As for "quirky directions", you know, just because the HR guy tells you you don't need any other directions doesn't mean you'll fail the interview if you still use them. There are lots of nice trip planner sites out there where you can type in the adress.
    Imagine your in the position of Chuck if your interviewee came late and excused himself with "I'm sorry but your directions were crap even though you told me I didn't need others".
  • TangentZ 2007-06-12 13:18
    The Real WTF is that he didn't have "Jeepies" installed in his car and proceeded to drive outside the city. And there is no excuse to not even look up the company in MapQuest or Google Maps and bring a print out of the maps.
  • SomebodyElse 2007-06-12 13:19
    I know the google ads rotate, but there is something disturbing when I see an ad looking for OTR drivers right above an ad for sleep aids. I would prefer if the truckers out there would not use Lunesta while driving.

    ~SE
  • vt_mruhlin 2007-06-12 13:26
    Maybe the Jeepies would have helped Rich find their office?
  • vt_mruhlin 2007-06-12 13:31
    Jason:
    What's the deal with companies hiring people who can't talk english to work in their IT departments? I swear it's to hit some kind of quota.


    The ironing is strong in that comment. People get the wrong idea of what is or is not "discriminatory". Not hiring somebody because their accent sucks is perfectly applicable in my opinion. If your job involves communicating with Americans, you'd better be capable of communicating with Americans. I wouldn't take a job as a Japanese Translator, because I don't speak Japanese.

    /But I guess you could always argue that my job requires me to communicate with people who have unintelligible accents, so maybe I need to learn how to do that.
  • tharfagreinir 2007-06-12 13:32
    Hiring people who have a poor grasp of English is one thing ... having those people interview job candidates is quite another ...
  • Rich Z 2007-06-12 13:34
    Submitter here. Some creative license with the text by the editor, I did have my own maps along with the given directions (and I didn't go to another state). But that doesn't help you find a building "inside" another. And when I called to double check on these directions, I was passed around to a few different people that all said to "turn at the bank, we're on that road." A logistics company... get it?
  • vecctor 2007-06-12 13:38
    Rich Z:
    Submitter here. Some creative license with the text by the editor, I did have my own maps along with the given directions (and I didn't go to another state). But that doesn't help you find a building "inside" another. And when I called to double check on these directions, I was passed around to a few different people that all said to "turn at the bank, we're on that road." A logistics company... get it?


    I wonder how many other stories have these inaccuracies introduced due to "creative license" . . .

    It always seems people are saying "oh this part of the story is stupid!" - wouldn't it be funny if that part of the story just wasn't true.
  • T$ 2007-06-12 13:49
    If someone can have C Pound experience, why not have Jeepies experience as well!?
  • Shadowman 2007-06-12 13:52
    vt_mruhlin:
    Jason:
    What's the deal with companies hiring people who can't talk english to work in their IT departments? I swear it's to hit some kind of quota.


    The ironing is strong in that comment. People get the wrong idea of what is or is not "discriminatory". Not hiring somebody because their accent sucks is perfectly applicable in my opinion. If your job involves communicating with Americans, you'd better be capable of communicating with Americans. I wouldn't take a job as a Japanese Translator, because I don't speak Japanese.



    The ironing? Is there a wrinkled shirt around here or something?
  • Pat 2007-06-12 13:57
    They probably wanted him to do *everything*. Install the GPS units, and interface it with some sort of web interface for their clients...or some other project that would take the effort of 6 engineers working over time.
  • RxScram 2007-06-12 13:59
    Shadowman:


    The ironing? Is there a wrinkled shirt around here or something?


    Nope, not anymore... the ironing was strong, so all the wrinkles have been removed!
  • Jasmine 2007-06-12 14:00
    I would take it if the pay was good. It's pretty clear that this is the type of place where anybody with half a brain is at a huge advantage. I would pwn this place in a few weeks.
  • morry 2007-06-12 14:04
    Rich Z for not seriously ripping Chuck a new one when he gave you bad directions and then had the gall to lecture you about punctuality, you hereby receive the "You're a better man than I" award for today.

    have a cookie or something.
  • akatherder 2007-06-12 14:07
    Coincidentally, I think I contracted Jeepies from a Korean girl once. Thank you penicillin.
  • Code Slave 2007-06-12 14:12
    An now you've learned a lesson that was explained to me many moons ago.

    When you are interviewing for a job, ALWAYS CASE THE JOINT IN ADVANCE.

    Even if you've been there before - something might have changed.

    Even if your are coming from out of town. Case it an hour before hand.
  • Kinglink 2007-06-12 14:16
    Jason:
    What's the deal with companies hiring people who can't talk english to work in their IT departments? I swear it's to hit some kind of quota.


    No the real problem is people who can't talk English to work in their management or HR department.
  • Dax 2007-06-12 14:19
    Code Slave:
    An now you've learned a lesson that was explained to me many moons ago.

    When you are interviewing for a job, ALWAYS CASE THE JOINT IN ADVANCE.



    Maybe if your interviewing for a "bank job"
  • Schnapple 2007-06-12 14:25
    Code Slave:
    When you are interviewing for a job, ALWAYS CASE THE JOINT IN ADVANCE.

    Even if you've been there before - something might have changed.


    That's all well and good if you have time but if you're just stealing away from work for an hour you don't have time.

    No, the real thrust to this story is:

    1) The location was out in the country, where Google Maps tends not to help.
    2) The boss was a total dick even though the interviewer had done what they were supposed to and called ahead to say he was running late
    3) The staff was so woefully incompetent that they gave impossible directions, did not want to talk to him once he did call in, and put out a hit for a "PHP Programmer" when they needed "Someone to install GPS units"
  • Erzengel 2007-06-12 14:31
    Dax:
    Code Slave:
    An now you've learned a lesson that was explained to me many moons ago.

    When you are interviewing for a job, ALWAYS CASE THE JOINT IN ADVANCE.



    Maybe if your interviewing for a "bank job"


    It works equally well for getting a job in the bank's IT department as it does for any other job. ;)
  • Someone You Know 2007-06-12 14:36
    vt_mruhlin:
    Jason:
    What's the deal with companies hiring people who can't talk english to work in their IT departments? I swear it's to hit some kind of quota.


    The ironing is strong in that comment. People get the wrong idea of what is or is not "discriminatory". Not hiring somebody because their accent sucks is perfectly applicable in my opinion. If your job involves communicating with Americans, you'd better be capable of communicating with Americans. I wouldn't take a job as a Japanese Translator, because I don't speak Japanese.


    Exactly. To discriminate is to perceive a difference, to distinguish between things. Discrimination on the basis of ability to do the job is a perfectly acceptable hiring practice, and sort of the point of having an interview.
  • Belbarid 2007-06-12 14:53
    Jasmine:
    I would take it if the pay was good. It's pretty clear that this is the type of place where anybody with half a brain is at a huge advantage. I would pwn this place in a few weeks.


    In the words of Robert Heinlein, "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is in for one hell of a rough ride".
  • sas 2007-06-12 14:57
    At least one thing is clear: they really need those Jeepies. Seeing as how they can't give accurate directions.
  • Mitch 2007-06-12 14:58
    Belbarid:
    Jasmine:
    I would take it if the pay was good. It's pretty clear that this is the type of place where anybody with half a brain is at a huge advantage. I would pwn this place in a few weeks.


    In the words of Robert Heinlein, "In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is in for one hell of a rough ride".


    Seriously. The HR person nor anyone else could describe where the building was. They think its perfectly okay if managers don't speak english. And you're going to convince them you're an IT god how exactly?
  • wiregoat 2007-06-12 15:00
    Out here where I am in the Midwest, internet maps can be 10 to 20 miles off. That is a big deal down little winding forking one lane roads.
  • sanitarium 2007-06-12 15:10
    PSWorx:
    Agreed on the korean woman story but for not being on time, I blame the writer. I think it's common courtesy that you at least look your future workplace up in a map before you get there. As for "quirky directions", you know, just because the HR guy tells you you don't need any other directions doesn't mean you'll fail the interview if you still use them. There are lots of nice trip planner sites out there where you can type in the adress.
    Imagine your in the position of Chuck if your interviewee came late and excused himself with "I'm sorry but your directions were crap even though you told me I didn't need others".

    This sounds like a great trick question for an interview. Give the poor SOB improper directions to some destination and see if he follows your directions or the directions provided by Google or something.
  • : 2007-06-12 15:30
    I just wonder what did they mean by PHP...
  • Pap 2007-06-12 15:37
    ::
    I just wonder what did they mean by PHP...


    Phillips-Head Placer?
  • Longtime C guy 2007-06-12 15:43
    Shadowman:
    vt_mruhlin:
    Jason:
    What's the deal with companies hiring people who can't talk english to work in their IT departments? I swear it's to hit some kind of quota.


    The ironing is strong in that comment. People get the wrong idea of what is or is not "discriminatory". Not hiring somebody because their accent sucks is perfectly applicable in my opinion. If your job involves communicating with Americans, you'd better be capable of communicating with Americans. I wouldn't take a job as a Japanese Translator, because I don't speak Japanese.



    The ironing? Is there a wrinkled shirt around here or something?


    I think he meant to say, "Iron my short, b!tch."
  • epee1221 2007-06-12 15:47
    Heh heh I had an interview like that once. I was told the office was on the thrd floor of the hospital in Hancock (pretty much the only hospital in the county).
    So I went out to the hospital and looked around, and I didn't find anything like an office. I called the manager and asked him to confirm the location. It turns out it was at the old decommissioned hospital (which had been converted to offices and classrooms).
  • brazzy 2007-06-12 16:13
    Sounds to me like the people there had deep-seated Issues with the fact the company was situated IN the bank building rather than having their own.
  • Kevin T 2007-06-12 16:15
    I can see this happening. An old co-worker of mine left a tired programming job for what seemed like a perfect one at a company that makes gyro stabilized camera mounts. Only 10% of the job ended up being software, the rest hinged on his ability to interpret and implement engineering blueprints. He didn't end up working there very long (by a mutual parting of ways), and landed in a job far worse than that he'd originally left just to make ends meet for a time. Fortunately this submitter got enough clues to the mismatch during the interview process...
  • someguy 2007-06-12 16:48
    Let's just say it's delicious, ok?
  • its me 2007-06-12 17:11
    epee1221:
    Heh heh I had an interview like that once. I was told the office was on the thrd floor of the hospital in Hancock (pretty much the only hospital in the county).
    So I went out to the hospital and looked around, and I didn't find anything like an office. I called the manager and asked him to confirm the location. It turns out it was at the old decommissioned hospital (which had been converted to offices and classrooms).


    This would be why they have street names and address numbers....
    "Third floor of the Hancock Hospital"
    "123 Main Street?"
    "Oh, no. It's the old Hospital, 456 South Ave".

    That and Google satellite/hybrid view and it's hard to go wrong....
  • Rank Amateur 2007-06-12 17:23
    epee1221:
    It turns out it was at the old decommissioned hospital (which had been converted to offices and classrooms).

    It’s off either Exit 6 or 7, I think. Turn left at the end of the ramp, but don’t go left too much yet. Drive for awhile, maybe a few minutes, like 30 miles. You’ll see the old Barnum homestead, but that doesn’t matter unless you've already gone too far. After passing a speed limit sign, turn on the road that used to be unpaved. When you get to an intersection with a house that has the wrong shudders, head uphill. You’ll drive by a flower garden, but it might not be blooming. Take the leftish right at the grove where the teenagers hang out a lot. We’re in the hospital building, sort of, on the 3rd floor, which isn’t the 3rd story.
    --Rank
  • clevershark 2007-06-12 17:23
    I really don't get the logic in putting out an ad for a PHP programmer if you want someone to install GPS units in trucks. There's a funny assumption that once you've seen one TLA you've seen them all...
  • rob 2007-06-12 18:11
    Chances are, she was an American. Not all of them speak English.

    On the other hand, most immigrants I know are far more literate and well-spoken than Americans, so... whatever.
  • Code Slave 2007-06-12 18:13
    Schnapple:
    Code Slave:
    When you are interviewing for a job, ALWAYS CASE THE JOINT IN ADVANCE.


    That's all well and good if you have time but if you're just stealing away from work for an hour you don't have time.


    In the unlikely event that you get a call that says "Can you be here in an hour?", I suppose not casing the joint can be excused.

    However, If you've got so much as a day's notice - you should be able to squeeze casing the joint into your schedule - if not, the job is not really that important to you anyways.

    In the original poster's case it was two hours of their life (there and back). Take your SO for icecream in the Armpit-Midwest town - and kill two birds with one stone.
  • Ed 2007-06-12 18:53
    On the subject of bad directions:

    years ago when one of my cousins got married in an unfirmiliar town, we needed directions to the wedding reception (this was well before the internet even existed, so it was quite impossible to look up on google maps)

    We called up my aunt, who gave these directions, word for word (I'm not making this up and yes, she was totally serious):

    "Oh, it's easy to get to. First you get on the thruway, then you get off the thruway, then you make a left, then you make a right, and then you're there."
  • danfiru 2007-06-12 19:14
    PSWorx:
    Agreed on the korean woman story but for not being on time, I blame the writer. I think it's common courtesy that you at least look your future workplace up in a map before you get there. As for "quirky directions", you know, just because the HR guy tells you you don't need any other directions doesn't mean you'll fail the interview if you still use them. There are lots of nice trip planner sites out there where you can type in the adress.
    Imagine your in the position of Chuck if your interviewee came late and excused himself with "I'm sorry but your directions were crap even though you told me I didn't need others".


    yah, but you don't have to lecture the guy for 40 minutes
  • a/c 2007-06-12 21:06
    Has anyone considered the possibility that PHP may mean something else entirely in this context?

    I'm reminded of the time I went to the dentist and was told that I had some "calculus" on my teeth. I was sure the dental assistant was a flipping retard and I had to stop myself from laughing.

    Then I went home and found out calculus is a perfectly cromulent word for tartar.
  • tin 2007-06-12 21:35
    a/c:
    Has anyone considered the possibility that PHP may mean something else entirely in this context?


    With the word "Programmer" after "PHP", what the hell else would it be?
    Most job ads I've seen also list some idea of the duties and knowledge/skills/certification required too. Ones that don't are usually crap, self descriptive (ie truck driver) or well known (ie pizza delivery, fast food jobs, etc), or some combination of the above (ie crap fast food truck driver).
  • furbearntrout 2007-06-12 21:37
    Jason:
    What's the deal with companies hiring people who can't talk english to work in their IT departments? I swear it's to hit some kind of quota.

    It's called H-1B
  • Zan 2007-06-13 02:15
    1 - If I wanted to hire a jeepies expert I would make the appointment in utm coordinates.

    2 - You should have gone about five hours before to study the terrain and look for various natural features, choke-points, escape routes, high ground...


    captcha (dreadlock): to fear greatly; be in extreme apprehension of ... a device for securing a door, gate, lid, drawer, or the like in position when closed, consisting of a bolt or system of bolts propelled and withdrawn by a mechanism operated by a key, dial, etc.

    That sounds like some kind of "Call of Cthulhu" temporal madness thing. (phobophobia was fun)
  • Mac 2007-06-13 04:06
    Jason:
    What's the deal with companies hiring people who can't talk english to work in their IT departments? I swear it's to hit some kind of quota.


    I couldn't agree more! I mean... since when did "Initialise" have its 's' replaced with a 'z'. Or for that matter why suddenly drop the u from 'colour'?
    ;-)
  • DOA 2007-06-13 04:09
    Anon:
    Oh god, is this going to descend into another long flame war about whether or not this story was racist?

    Didn't even cross my mind. You must be American.

    On a different note I don't get it... why didn't he accept the job? :)
  • R 2007-06-13 04:52
    DOA:
    Anon:
    Oh god, is this going to descend into another long flame war about whether or not this story was racist?

    Didn't even cross my mind. You must be American.


    Or he could be remembering The Incidental Expert and its endless discussions. Like, what's with Koreans and their broken English? :)
  • Logic-Man 2007-06-13 05:04
    "“You know,” Rich Z thought to himself ...."

    As he could think to someone else.... rofl
  • DOA 2007-06-13 05:20
    R:
    DOA:
    Anon:
    Oh god, is this going to descend into another long flame war about whether or not this story was racist?

    Didn't even cross my mind. You must be American.


    Or he could be remembering The Incidental Expert and its endless discussions. Like, what's with Koreans and their broken English? :)


    Didn't even cross my mind. You must read all the comments :)

    That was a funny post by the way. It's the reason why you should start with cuss words when learning a foreign language. Sooner or later you'll need them!
  • valerion 2007-06-13 05:44
    a/c:
    Has anyone considered the possibility that PHP may mean something else entirely in this context?

    I'm reminded of the time I went to the dentist and was told that I had some "calculus" on my teeth. I was sure the dental assistant was a flipping retard and I had to stop myself from laughing.

    Then I went home and found out calculus is a perfectly cromulent word for tartar.


    Having worked in GPS tracking for the past 6 or 7 years, I can safely say PHP has no special GPS/logistics meaning.
  • Dave 2007-06-13 05:47

    The "real" WTF is that he didn't take the job, man. I mean these people were offering hard cash - and for working in a nice rural environment. And think of the promotional opportunities - once Chuck's heart gives out, he'll be head honcho. Jeepies!
  • Bitter Like Quinine 2007-06-13 06:23
    Ahh, directions. Who doesn't have a story about following crummy directions? Here's mine...

    I went for a job interview long ago (before the days of internet maps and route planners) and was consequently given a long and complicated set of instructions on how to find the place. This began by instructing me to take a particular exit off a major trunk road, then consisted mainly of spotting this pub or that bar and taking the nth left/right thereafter. It took about five goes to get the sequence just right and I eventually found the place. Fortunately, I'd allowed plenty of time so wasn't even late.

    I was surprised by the company's location though, it was right next to a later junction off the same trunk road I'd left an hour earlier.
  • jmroth 2007-06-13 07:54
    I was expecting a Bunker at the destination.
  • Anon 2007-06-13 08:41
    R:
    DOA:
    Anon:
    Oh god, is this going to descend into another long flame war about whether or not this story was racist?

    Didn't even cross my mind. You must be American.


    Or he could be remembering The Incidental Expert and its endless discussions. Like, what's with Koreans and their broken English? :)


    Exactly, so far we've been lucky. Perhaps we all learned a lesson from the previous incident?
  • Jeff S 2007-06-13 08:45
    Bitter Like Quinine:
    Ahh, directions. Who doesn't have a story about following crummy directions? Here's mine...

    I went for a job interview long ago (before the days of internet maps and route planners) and was consequently given a long and complicated set of instructions on how to find the place. This began by instructing me to take a particular exit off a major trunk road, then consisted mainly of spotting this pub or that bar and taking the nth left/right thereafter. It took about five goes to get the sequence just right and I eventually found the place. Fortunately, I'd allowed plenty of time so wasn't even late.

    I was surprised by the company's location though, it was right next to a later junction off the same trunk road I'd left an hour earlier.


    I have another silly story to add as well ... my first job in Boston was at a temp agency in a building downtown. Over the phone, they asked where I was coming from, I said the subway, and they gave me a long set of complicated directions on how to get to their building: exit the subway here, go two blocks down this street, left at macys, take right here, etc ... I wrote it all down and followed the directions best I could and got lost, only eventually to find the building with some help from some friendly homeless people. (I might have made that last part up)

    Of course, I found out later that their building has a direct entrance to the subway in their lobby! All I had to do with exit the train and go up a flight of stairs and I was *in* the building! That was it! I always found this funny for some reason.
  • Taz 2007-06-13 09:23
    Mac:
    I couldn't agree more! I mean... since when did "Initialise" have its 's' replaced with a 'z'. Or for that matter why suddenly drop the u from 'colour'?
    ;-)


    One of 10 good reasons to be American:

    You can spell colour wrong and get away with it. :)

    DOA:
    It's the reason why you should start with cuss words when learning a foreign language. Sooner or later you'll need them!


    I always do that whenever I visit a country I don't speak the language of. Among yes, no, please and how to order a beer, getting yourself familiar with local cuss words is always a good idea, be it only to know when you're being insulted for being a stupid tourist, while they friendly smile at you.
  • Newbius Maximus 2007-06-13 09:34
    “Umm,” opened Chuck, the Head of HR, when Rich was finally led into his office, “your appointment was scheduled to start twenty minutes ago. Do you make it a habit to be late?”
    ...
    “East!? Why would you do that!? That would take you clear into another state! Don’t you have a map, or something?”
    ...
    “You see, Rich,” Chuck said as he stood up, turned around, and peered out of the window, “timeliness is next to godliness, as they say. And as a logistics company, nothing is more important than being on time. You understand that, right?”

    I think that interview would have ended right there for me. A polite ending, of course, but an end to this quest into insanity. Imagine how things would go if you took the job:

    - Asshat boss: 'Why did you use Cromulatorlib to interface with the
    Frobulator 2000 Jeepees unit? And why is the Jeepees unit bolted to the truck with 9/16" bolts? I distinctly remember telling you to use 1/2".'

    - PHP Developer: 'Uhhh...no, you *told* me to use Cromulatorlib and 9/16" bolts."

    - Asshat boss: "Nonsense, you must have heard me wrong. Don't you have a better hearing aid, or something?"

    - Asshat boss: lecture.spew(minutes=10+random.randint(10))
  • Rich Z 2007-06-13 09:41
    valerion:
    Having worked in GPS tracking for the past 6 or 7 years, I can safely say PHP has no special GPS/logistics meaning.


    Submitter here... as near as I could tell, they wanted someone to do PHP programming AND install GPS units in trucks
  • Henry 2007-06-13 09:44
    I worked in a small company like that once. People who run/own these things tend to think of themselves as being God because they own their own company, and want to control every detail, seriously look down on their employees. The upside is that the employees tend to band together in reaction to this and become good friends. Benefits and pay tend to be shit.



    Captcha: burned

    How appropriate.
  • epee1221 2007-06-13 10:43
    its me:
    That and Google satellite/hybrid view and it's hard to go wrong....

    Google Earth was pretty much useless. The resolution there is bad enough that you can hardly tell where the roads are (using hybrid/road instead of satellite doesn't really help).
    And like I said, there's really only one hospital in the county.

    My usual error compensation method worked just fine -- head out early.
  • G Money 2007-06-13 10:53
    Henry:
    I worked in a small company like that once. People who run/own these things tend to think of themselves as being God because they own their own company, and want to control every detail, seriously look down on their employees. The upside is that the employees tend to band together in reaction to this and become good friends. Benefits and pay tend to be shit.



    Captcha: burned

    How appropriate.


    Oh, were I one to name names ... what a wonderful world it could be.

    Seriously ... why doesn't anyone name names on here? Liability? I understand that I am liable for my own libel ... but what about the host?

    Heheh .. I'm in Canada anyways...good luck to a Canadian company (not my current employer) suing a US website for comments posted by a Canadian.

  • Anonymous 2007-06-13 10:59
    vt_mruhlin:
    Jason:
    What's the deal with companies hiring people who can't talk english to work in their IT departments?


    The ironing is strong in that comment.

    One guy doesn't know the difference between "speak" and "talk" and the other guy doesn't know the difference between "irony" and "ironing"--and they're complaining about people who use English as a second language? Does anyone else see the "ironing" here?
  • brazzy 2007-06-13 11:29
    Anonymous:
    One guy doesn't know the difference between "speak" and "talk" and the other guy doesn't know the difference between "irony" and "ironing"--and they're complaining about people who use English as a second language? Does anyone else see the "ironing" here?

    Maybe vt_mruhlin's ironing is just stronger than your ironing?
  • Exick 2007-06-13 11:33
    And a third guy is unfamiliar with the concept of sarcasm. Amazing.
  • Someone You Know 2007-06-13 11:34
    Anonymous:
    vt_mruhlin:
    Jason:
    What's the deal with companies hiring people who can't talk english to work in their IT departments?


    The ironing is strong in that comment.

    One guy doesn't know the difference between "speak" and "talk" and the other guy doesn't know the difference between "irony" and "ironing"--and they're complaining about people who use English as a second language? Does anyone else see the "ironing" here?


    And one guy doesn't know the difference between "literal" and "sarcastic."
  • PMan 2007-06-13 12:02
    exited at the time was the forty-five minute commute


    An hour and a half in your car every day excites you? I don't care how good the countryside looks - if you like driving that much maybe you should consider being a truck driver.
  • joomama 2007-06-13 12:09
    sol:
    We don't program in Engish so why should we need to speak it lmao

    Neither do I, either.
  • sanitarium 2007-06-13 12:28
    its me:
    This would be why they have street names and address numbers....
    "Third floor of the Hancock Hospital"
    "123 Main Street?"
    "Oh, no. It's the old Hospital, 456 South Ave".

    That and Google satellite/hybrid view and it's hard to go wrong....

    You know, not every area (even in the U.S.) has an address. When I lived in rural Vermont (a bit outside of Brattleboro), we did not have a street address (not even a Rural Route number).
  • sanitarium 2007-06-13 12:30
    PMan:
    exited at the time was the forty-five minute commute


    An hour and a half in your car every day excites you? I don't care how good the countryside looks - if you like driving that much maybe you should consider being a truck driver.

    When your normal commute is over an hour, 45 minutes is a godsend. Here in Chicago, my commute is a little over an hour if I take the "direct" route, and a minute or two shorter if I go via the expressway. And I only 12 live miles from work.
  • Calli Arcale 2007-06-13 13:02
    its me:
    epee1221:
    Heh heh I had an interview like that once. I was told the office was on the thrd floor of the hospital in Hancock (pretty much the only hospital in the county).
    So I went out to the hospital and looked around, and I didn't find anything like an office. I called the manager and asked him to confirm the location. It turns out it was at the old decommissioned hospital (which had been converted to offices and classrooms).


    This would be why they have street names and address numbers....
    "Third floor of the Hancock Hospital"
    "123 Main Street?"
    "Oh, no. It's the old Hospital, 456 South Ave".

    That and Google satellite/hybrid view and it's hard to go wrong....


    Close to where I live (Twin Cities, not rural), there's a popular restaurant. I went there for my mom's birthday party a couple of years ago, and had a terrible time finding the place. We'd used Google Maps to get directions, even consulting the satellite view so we could see what we thought was the restaurant in the parking lot of a stripmall. Unfortunately, scale isn't always obvious on those pictures; what we'd seen in the picture turned out to be nothing more than a gas station's shelter over the pumps. We pored over a map book for a while, to no avail, when we found a random guy walking his dog who told us how to get there. (It was several miles south of there.)

    When we arrived, now fifteen minutes late, the waiter apologized; he said they often run into that problem with Google Maps sending people in totally the wrong direction. I don't see why he had to apologize; it was Google's fault, and perhaps ours for not asking our host for directions.

    Bottom line: even satellite/hybrid view won't save you, because from straight up, most buildings look pretty anonymous. The satellite pictures certainly aren't going to show you helpful signage, or who might be renting one of ten suits in an office building, etc.

    Hmmm -- I wonder if the advent of satellite maps will lead to more businesses designing easily recognizable roofs?
  • G Money 2007-06-13 13:53
    Calli Arcale:
    its me:
    epee1221:
    Heh heh I had an interview like that once. I was told the office was on the thrd floor of the hospital in Hancock (pretty much the only hospital in the county).
    So I went out to the hospital and looked around, and I didn't find anything like an office. I called the manager and asked him to confirm the location. It turns out it was at the old decommissioned hospital (which had been converted to offices and classrooms).


    This would be why they have street names and address numbers....
    "Third floor of the Hancock Hospital"
    "123 Main Street?"
    "Oh, no. It's the old Hospital, 456 South Ave".

    That and Google satellite/hybrid view and it's hard to go wrong....


    Close to where I live (Twin Cities, not rural), there's a popular restaurant. I went there for my mom's birthday party a couple of years ago, and had a terrible time finding the place. We'd used Google Maps to get directions, even consulting the satellite view so we could see what we thought was the restaurant in the parking lot of a stripmall. Unfortunately, scale isn't always obvious on those pictures; what we'd seen in the picture turned out to be nothing more than a gas station's shelter over the pumps. We pored over a map book for a while, to no avail, when we found a random guy walking his dog who told us how to get there. (It was several miles south of there.)

    When we arrived, now fifteen minutes late, the waiter apologized; he said they often run into that problem with Google Maps sending people in totally the wrong direction. I don't see why he had to apologize; it was Google's fault, and perhaps ours for not asking our host for directions.

    Bottom line: even satellite/hybrid view won't save you, because from straight up, most buildings look pretty anonymous. The satellite pictures certainly aren't going to show you helpful signage, or who might be renting one of ten suits in an office building, etc.

    Hmmm -- I wonder if the advent of satellite maps will lead to more businesses designing easily recognizable roofs?


    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=staples+centre&sll=37.0625,-95.677071&sspn=45.601981,81.738281&ie=UTF8&ll=34.043388,-118.267179&spn=0.002929,0.004989&t=h&z=18&om=1
  • wizzard 2007-06-13 14:25
    I have had so many jobs and job interviews where the work was totally unrelated to what they said it would be. I've worked as a "Software Engineer" doing data entry into PowerPoint. I was hired as a PHP programmer and told I would be doing nothing but JSP and HTML. It's mind-boggling.
  • Frostcat 2007-06-13 14:25
    vt_mruhlin:
    Jason:
    What's the deal with companies hiring people who can't talk english to work in their IT departments? I swear it's to hit some kind of quota.


    The ironing is strong in that comment. People get the wrong idea of what is or is not "discriminatory". Not hiring somebody because their accent sucks is perfectly applicable in my opinion.


    What? Guess what, that is discriminatory. Discrimination isn't always a bad thing.

    I had to skip past the top few definitions as dictionary.com, because they imply racist discrimination, but see these:

    3. capable of making fine distinctions [syn: discriminative]
    4. manifesting partiality; "a discriminatory tax"; "preferential tariff rates"; "preferential treatment"; "a preferential shop gives priority or advantage to union members in hiring or promoting"
  • Frostcat 2007-06-13 14:30
    Code Slave:
    Schnapple:
    Code Slave:
    When you are interviewing for a job, ALWAYS CASE THE JOINT IN ADVANCE.


    That's all well and good if you have time but if you're just stealing away from work for an hour you don't have time.


    In the unlikely event that you get a call that says "Can you be here in an hour?", I suppose not casing the joint can be excused.

    However, If you've got so much as a day's notice - you should be able to squeeze casing the joint into your schedule - if not, the job is not really that important to you anyways.

    In the original poster's case it was two hours of their life (there and back). Take your SO for icecream in the Armpit-Midwest town - and kill two birds with one stone.


    +1. The last 3 jobs I had, all the interviewing was done over the phone and internet. I usually arrange to start work on Monday, and then I drive down to the area (hello, cross-country contracting) such that I'll get there on Saturday, or at the latest early Sunday, and get my hotel room. Then I drive to work. Then, on Monday, not only do I know how to get there, but I have already done it in no-traffic conditions.
  • webhamster 2007-06-13 14:34
    Anonymous:
    vt_mruhlin:
    Jason:
    What's the deal with companies hiring people who can't talk english to work in their IT departments?


    The ironing is strong in that comment.

    One guy doesn't know the difference between "speak" and "talk" and the other guy doesn't know the difference between "irony" and "ironing"--and they're complaining about people who use English as a second language? Does anyone else see the "ironing" here?


    The "ironing" is a Simpsons reference. In one episode Bart says "The ironing is delicious." (meaning "irony") to which Lisa rolls her eyes and then corrects him.

    Bart: [chuckles] Lisa's in trouble. Ha! The ironing is delicious.

    Lisa: The word is "irony".

    Bart: Huh?

    Lisa: Don't you think there's something weird going on here? We spent all day selecting fabric swatches, and then our guest speaker was Phil from marketing.

    Bart: All's I know is I'm getting straight A's, and that ain't not bad!

    -- "Grift of the Magi"
  • Kevin T 2007-06-13 15:14
    G Money:

    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=staples+centre&sll=37.0625,-95.677071&sspn=45.601981,81.738281&ie=UTF8&ll=34.043388,-118.267179&spn=0.002929,0.004989&t=h&z=18&om=1


    If you need words on a roof to pick out a sports stadium on a satellite map, chances are your glasses are too far out of scrip to read them!

    (I know, I know; probably sarcasm but couldn't resist...)
  • nss 2007-06-13 16:15
    “I’m sure I’ll find another open-source job with a nice, peaceful commute.”

    What's with this "open-source" shit? What's so special about using open source? I just don't get it. In my experience the biggest crap I've ever seen are open source projects. PHP is aged behind java ana asp.net and they are using it only because it's free. I'm so sick of cheap stuff like that...
  • Yeah, Its me again 2007-06-13 16:44
    Not all jobs with crazy directions are bad.

    I once went for a job where the directions were "You go round the back of 221b Baker St (Shirlock Holms' flat), and up the stairs on the end of the block. Press the top bell and ask for Carol"

    This was a job designing a hard drive interface for the Apple }{!

    Captcha ???
  • M Diamond 2007-06-13 16:44
    Reminds me a little of my interview with Microsoft in the '80s. Online maps didn't exist but that didn't matter. Not only is MS the biggest employer in the region, they had a favorite taxi company that they used for everything. They booked each candidate their own taxi to take them directly from the hotel to the MS campus. Foolproof, surely.

    Well my taxi picked up someone else for some reason. I eventually called MS when the taxi didn't show, MS called the taxi company and found out the problem. So they sent another taxi, and it's understood that I'm going to be a little late.

    But just my luck, I got possibly the only driver in that fleet who didn't know how to get to Microsoft's front door. He's new and he misses a turn or two. I'm not necessarily remembering this correctly but I think he even offered to write me a note or come in with me to explain, and I declined. If so, it was my mistake. If not, I should have asked him to. Because I got a very strange look from the HR person when I explained why I was so late. I'm not sure she believed that one of their taxi drivers couldn't find Microsoft, and who could blame her? It would be like a taxi driver in Orlando not knowing how to get to Disney World.

    It didn't get much better after that, thanks to some nerves on my part and a miscommunication with one of the interviewers while writing some code for him. So no job offer from Microsoft.

    (Oh, and for the record, in the prescreening interview they didn't ask me a "why are manholes round" type riddle, but other people on my campus were asked that. If you had programming experience they tended to ask questions about data structures and algorithms. If not, then they'd ask a critical-thinking riddle.)

  • G Money 2007-06-13 22:12
    Kevin T:
    G Money:

    http://maps.google.com/maps?f=q&hl=en&q=staples+centre&sll=37.0625,-95.677071&sspn=45.601981,81.738281&ie=UTF8&ll=34.043388,-118.267179&spn=0.002929,0.004989&t=h&z=18&om=1


    If you need words on a roof to pick out a sports stadium on a satellite map, chances are your glasses are too far out of scrip to read them!

    (I know, I know; probably sarcasm but couldn't resist...)


    Oh yeah .. that reminds me ... Lenscrafters ...

    Thanks, dude.
  • foxyshadis 2007-06-14 00:54
    It's funny how to some people, a drive like that is a sedate, rustic route through scenic woodlands, and to others (cf the first posted interview story) it's an ardorous gauntlet through an okie shithole on broken roads. All depends on how you approach it!
  • DOA 2007-06-14 03:53
    nss:
    “I’m sure I’ll find another open-source job with a nice, peaceful commute.”

    What's with this "open-source" shit? What's so special about using open source? I just don't get it. In my experience the biggest crap I've ever seen are open source projects. PHP is aged behind java ana asp.net and they are using it only because it's free. I'm so sick of cheap stuff like that...


    While java is far more powerful than a scripting language like PHP, when it comes to web development PHP is far easier (and as a result productive)than say... jsp.
    Moving from java to PHP is like loosening a tie that's been chocking you for years. And if you don't agree clearly you haven't used both for anything major.
  • Dan 2007-06-14 07:16
    maps.live.com is *far* better
  • Dan 2007-06-14 07:22
    DOA:


    While java is far more powerful than a scripting language like PHP, when it comes to web development PHP is far easier (and as a result productive)than say... jsp.
    Moving from java to PHP is like loosening a tie that's been chocking you for years. And if you don't agree clearly you haven't used both for anything major.


    And if you think PHP is a relief compared to Java, wait till you try Python...
  • DOA 2007-06-14 08:20
    Dan:
    DOA:


    While java is far more powerful than a scripting language like PHP, when it comes to web development PHP is far easier (and as a result productive)than say... jsp.
    Moving from java to PHP is like loosening a tie that's been chocking you for years. And if you don't agree clearly you haven't used both for anything major.


    And if you think PHP is a relief compared to Java, wait till you try Python...


    *sigh* if only I had the time...
  • creative type 2007-06-14 17:55
    Calli Arcale:

    Hmmm -- I wonder if the advent of satellite maps will lead to more businesses designing easily recognizable roofs?



    Businesses often do put their name on their roof in Second Life (www.secondlife.com). Of course it's a lot easier in a virtual world, and the equivalent of a satellite map gets updated more often.
  • David 2007-06-14 21:06
    Code Slave:
    Schnapple:
    Code Slave:
    When you are interviewing for a job, ALWAYS CASE THE JOINT IN ADVANCE.


    That's all well and good if you have time but if you're just stealing away from work for an hour you don't have time.


    In the unlikely event that you get a call that says "Can you be here in an hour?", I suppose not casing the joint can be excused.

    However, If you've got so much as a day's notice - you should be able to squeeze casing the joint into your schedule - if not, the job is not really that important to you anyways.

    In the original poster's case it was two hours of their life (there and back). Take your SO for icecream in the Armpit-Midwest town - and kill two birds with one stone.
    I recommend not killing your bird, or if you do at least kill her before she has taken a bite from her icecream. That way you get to get both her and her icecream.

    captcha: bling
    witty comment: who cares?!
  • Joe 2007-08-22 22:14
    PMan:
    exited at the time was the forty-five minute commute


    An hour and a half in your car every day excites you? I don't care how good the countryside looks - if you like driving that much maybe you should consider being a truck driver.


    My commute is that long. I drive into Boston every day. It's shorter, slower, and much more aggravating (idiot Boston drivers). I'd happily trade it in for a commute of the same length of time, but without the stop and go traffic. What a dream.

    Captcha: slashbot - Oh yeah, I haven't read that site today. Must go check out what's on slashbot today.
  • RLucey 2007-08-23 05:49
    The Real WTF is that he didn't have "Jeepies" installed in his car


    That is funny as hell!
  • RLucey 2007-08-23 05:54
    The ironing? Is there a wrinkled shirt around here or something?


    that's great
  • RLucey 2007-08-23 06:00
    epee1221:
    It turns out it was at the old decommissioned hospital (which had been converted to offices and classrooms).


    It’s off either Exit 6 or 7, I think. Turn left at the end of the ramp, but don’t go left too much yet. Drive for awhile, maybe a few minutes, like 30 miles. You’ll see the old Barnum homestead, but that doesn’t matter unless you've already gone too far. After passing a speed limit sign, turn on the road that used to be unpaved. When you get to an intersection with a house that has the wrong shudders, head uphill. You’ll drive by a flower garden, but it might not be blooming. Take the leftish right at the grove where the teenagers hang out a lot. We’re in the hospital building, sort of, on the 3rd floor, which isn’t the 3rd story.
    --Rank


    I cant stop laughing
  • deworde 2007-11-23 12:08
    danfiru:

    yah, but you don't have to lecture the guy for 40 minutes


    Remember, he had 40 minutes to prepare his speech.
  • Alex 2008-02-06 00:03
    Long driving hours is really exhausting. But I still find the green vegetation at the countryside therapeutic so at least it relieves the exhaustion and boredom a bit. I am more worried that my old Denali will soon suffer and I will be forced to have some of my GMC truck parts replaced.
  • gunnermcgrath 2008-05-13 12:05
    Am I the only one who found the irony in the fact that he was told never to use computerized maps because they don't work in the country, yet the company was trying to hire him to install GPS systems in their trucks?
  • ironring 2008-05-15 14:11
    i suspect that the real ironing (wtf for those who don't believe in such things) is that pretty much nobody on here gets that everybody at the company thought he was pretty silly for getting the directions wrong, not double-checking them, and then not even defending himself, and decided to play a funny little trick on him, which worked because he didn't have a sense of humour.
  • Satkye 2008-08-22 10:30
    gunnermcgrath:
    Am I the only one who found the irony in the fact that he was told never to use computerized maps because they don't work in the country, yet the company was trying to hire him to install GPS systems in their trucks?


    Yes you are!
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    I know only few words in Korean. At least I can handle simple greeting. If you longtime work or live in some country you should speak local language. This rule is widely ignored everywhere.
  • Greg 2011-11-25 03:49
    I would be very cross at being told off for following instructions given by the same guy that issued them. I suspect I would strongly (but politely) show him the instructions he sent me, then suggest something along the lines of things not being too bad. If he continued to act with such little respect, having already not given enough respect to send proper directions, I would most likely not take the job, thus saving time. Then again, I have a very low tolerance for hypocritical judgemental incompetence.
  • Mike 2012-09-12 15:13
    The problem probably is that a logistics company in a bank building is probably really tiny. They might only have a few staff. Heck it might just have been mechanics, shipper receivers the owner and the Korean lady who also knows what box in the office is the printer and what box is the modem. So she is the "technical interviewer" by default.

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  • Dougey 2013-01-07 17:57
    What if you're terrified of driving in the first place? I hate it, I just drive out of necessity but in that case I would just take my chances finding it the first time.
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    Dougey:
    What if you're terrified of driving in the first place? I hate it, I just drive out of necessity but in that case I would just take my chances finding it the first time.
    Then you're a giant poof.