• Quite (unregistered)

    Might there be "no moon rise" that day because the moon is already in the sky when the day starts? Just a suggestion.

    Although, I suppose, if (as seems likely) the moon rose on the previous day, it would mean it was also going to rise again on this day, about 12 hours +/- a few hours (depending on latitude and time of year) after it set, ready for it to be in the sky again on the next day.

  • mike (unregistered)

    It probably rose on the previous day shortly before midnight. That means it won't rise at all on that day and rise the next time shortly after midnight the next day. Nothing wrong here at all, except for IT guys not understanding astronomy.

  • Han Solo (unregistered)

    That's no moon...

  • Nobody (unregistered) in reply to mike

    Yes. Each sunrise is approximately 24 hours after the last, but each moonrise is approximately 24 hours 48 minutes after the last. (The deficit is about a thirtieth of a day, adding up to a whole day each month).

  • Boaty McBoatface (unregistered)

    yep, that's about right. Not knowing exactly where the person was but assuming a city on the west coast of the USA such as San Diego, then there was no moonrise on 27 April 2016

    http://www.timeanddate.com/moon/usa/san-diego?month=4&year=2016

  • Paula Bean (unregistered)

    Glad to see someone taking a picture on a wooden table.

  • (nodebb)

    James D should just feel fortunate he doesn't need to put new cover sheets on his reports.

  • Howard Richards (google)

    If my management asked me to fill out a paper form like that, I'd print out the picture of the paper with the table in the background (a quill superimposed on the side of the image), then fill it out with said quill. Just to make the point. Bonus points if you can fill it out using Copperplate.

  • Joe (unregistered) in reply to Howard Richards

    Well we need to talk about your TPS reports

  • (nodebb)

    Ah, I see that that first website finally caught up with science. The moon does not exist - what the submitter is seeing in the sky is a common mistake. It's an optical illusion - you see when light from the sun reaches the Earth, the atmosphere acts like a giant prism - the light scatters and eventually converges to a single point where it's reflected back at us. Scientists are calling it "the anti-sun".

    http://www.escapistmagazine.com/videos/view/loadingreadyrun/6959-Thats-No-Moon

  • RichP (unregistered) in reply to The_Quiet_One

    But we did get approval to use the old cover sheets until the new cover sheets arrive.

  • lordofduct (unregistered)

    The moon rises on an interval greater than 24 hours (something like 24 hours 45 mins or near that).

    This means that every day the moon rises later and later in the day, which is why you can see the moon during day light hours sometimes.

    This also means that when the moon rises at that critical 11:XX PM, the next time it'll rise is going to be at 12:XX in the morning on a date 2 days away, completely skipping the day in between.

    Of course this all hinges on your timezone.

  • Jeremy Lindgren (vita10gy) (google)

    I think we've done that CSS thing a time or two. If you think we actually read your 9 paragraph page on Widget Y when you say "add this to my website" you're going to have a bad time.

  • operagost (unregistered) in reply to Howard Richards

    If what was being asked was that the QUESTIONS on that sheet be used as a script when opening cases, I could understand. But to ask that problems be tracked on a sheet of paper with chicken scratch that will be smudged, torn, or lost instead of kept in a system where the information can be viewed by everyone? A complete lack of understanding of the process. Even your local mechanic doesn't try to track auto repairs with a paper ledger anymore. How is this paper going to be filed? By date, department, user, system? You can choose only one.

    Seriously, you need to have a meeting to determine whether it's just that they wanted those kinds of questions to be asked during the process, which I could understand if there were repeat or long-lived issues caused by poor troubleshooting methods.

  • (nodebb)

    Well, nobody else said it, so I will. Writing fail.

    The big glowing ball in the sky is the Sun. While pedantically speaking the Moon does glow, it isn't hot enough for us to be able to see that glow. Moonlight is reflected sunlight (except near a new moon, where it is possible to see the "dark" side of the Moon in light that reflects(1) off the Earth and then off the Moon, the so-called "New Moon in the old Moon's arms".

    (1) Scatters, duh.

  • lordofduct (unregistered) in reply to Steve_The_Cynic

    "While pedantically speaking the Moon does glow..."

    That's right, when being pedantic, we better preemptively call out those pedantic people who might respond. Damn those pedantic people.

  • Angela Anuszewski (google) in reply to Steve_The_Cynic

    Relevant What If regarding the heat of the moon: https://what-if.xkcd.com/145/

  • Carl Witthoft (google) in reply to The_Quiet_One

    Meme alert! you left out "TPS" . Turn in your Nerd Card at the door.

  • Carl Witthoft (google) in reply to lordofduct

    quote..."While pedantically speaking the Moon does glow..."

    That's right, when being pedantic, we better preemptively call out those pedantic people who might respond. Damn those pedantic people. endquote

    I guess we can start a flame war over where the comma(s) should go in the original quote.

  • Ozz (unregistered)

    M-O-O-N - That spells "Fail".

  • Quite (unregistered) in reply to Steve_The_Cynic

    Horses sweat, men perspire, but moons merely glow.

  • (nodebb) in reply to Carl Witthoft

    I personally thought they were going for poetry, interpret the commas where you may.

  • Brendo (unregistered)

    The last one, with the paper sheet describing a bug, I've used those before, but in digital form, and they were part of the bug tracker. We called them Approach Documents. They're actually really helpful for looking back at tickets and getting an understanding of what the developer who made the changes was thinking and why they did what they did.

  • John Roth (unregistered)

    The astronomy comments are correct, but miss one important corner case: if you're far enough north or south, the moon may not rise or set for about half a month at a time. It's similar to the "midnight sun," but cycles every lunar month instead of every year.

  • Sumireko (unregistered) in reply to Angela Anuszewski

    Secondary fun fact: according to mathematical calculations, Heaven is actually hotter than Hell

  • I'm not a robot (unregistered)

    All this talk of how the moon might not rise on a particular day, and no-one has a problem with the date being given as "null null"?

  • JRI (unregistered) in reply to operagost

    Good catch on that limited filing problem. To fix that you will now fill out five copies when catching a bug.

  • Kenneth Mitchell (google) in reply to mike

    Good point; the Moon does rise about 55 minutes later each day, so it's possible that the Moon would not rise at all during a specific midnight-to-midnight day. It might rise at 11:30 PM one day, and then at 00:25 two "days" later.

    HOWEVER, if that were the case then the moon-SET would have been around noon (between 11:30 Am and 12:30 PM) , and not at 10:15 AM.

  • zainab58 (as guest) (unregistered) in reply to Kenneth Mitchell

    How much variation is there in the length of a lunar "day" / "night"? Obviously there would be no problem at all with a sunset happening ten hours or less after a sunrise, or vice versa (but not both in the same day at the same location, or we are all in serious trouble). Can a moonrise and moonset happen that close together? Got a vague idea the moon's orbit is approximately in a plane with the equator, which would keep us close to 12 hours at all times.

    :: irritably wondering how the heck I am supposed to tell the difference between a river, a delta, a fjord and a narrow lake ::

  • Kenneth Mitchell (google) in reply to zainab58 (as guest)

    No, the Moon's orbital plane is tilted to the ecliptic (the plane of the Earth's orbit around the Sun) of about 5 degrees. The Moon's orbit is NOT parallel to the equator, and why should it be? Depending on the season, the Moon may be up to 30 degrees north or south of the Equator.

    Lunar "day" and "night" are each about 14 DAYS long. Since the Moon is tidally "locked" to the Earth, the same face of the Moon is always visible from Earth. Until the first Soviet satellites orbited the Moon and took pictures in the mid-1960's, we had never seen the "Far Side" of the Moon, which turns out to be vastly different in appearance from the "Near Side".

    From our perspective on Earth, the Moon-set is about 12.4 hours after the Moon-rise, and the next Moon-Rise is 12.4 hours after that.

  • ebvalaim (unregistered)

    "Moonlight is reflected sunlight (except near a new moon, where it is possible to see the "dark" side of the Moon in light that reflects(1) off the Earth and then off the Moon, the so-called "New Moon in the old Moon's arms"." The "dark side of the Moon" usually refers to the side that is invisible from Earth, which is invisible during the new moon as well - it is directed towards the Sun and is actually the bright side then. But yeah, the side directed towards the Earth is indeed dark then ;)

    "HOWEVER, if that were the case then the moon-SET would have been around noon (between 11:30 Am and 12:30 PM) , and not at 10:15 AM." That's not correct. Just like days vary in length, so do the periods between moonrises and moonsets. The Moon's orbit is tilted relative to the equator, so the Moon is sometimes higher in the sky (making Moon-"days" longer), and sometimes lower (making them shorter). 10:15 AM is not that unreasonable.

  • ebvalaim (unregistered)

    "Lunar "day" and "night" are each about 14 DAYS long."

    I'm guessing @zainab58 means the time when the Moon is above / below the horizon. Such "days"/"nights" have variable length, as I explained above.

  • Nate Scherer (google) in reply to Steve_The_Cynic

    Very helpful, I'm sure many of the probably highly-educated adults here didn't realize the moon's light is reflected from the sun.

  • zainab58 (unregistered) in reply to ebvalaim

    Yup, that's why I said "day" and "night" in quotes. But as for "why should it be?" it's because the earth and its "moon" (intentional quotes again) are essentially a double planet, so you'd expect them to share an equator.

    :: uneasily wondering why reCaptcha is prepared to take my word for it this time ::

  • Axel (unregistered)

    Ironic that CCS's page has a CSS issue.

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