• (disco)

    INB4 unlist?

  • (disco)

    Why are there so many repurposed janitor closets coming up in stories lately?

    Huh? It's TDWTF, what did you expect @Remy?


    @mods unlist

  • (disco) in reply to LB_

    ITYM @boomzilla, @PJH, @abarker, @Yamikuronue, @aliceif unlist (gotta let it expand, which takes ages)

  • (disco)
  • (disco)

    Several of the employees brought winter coats from home and left them at their desks to try and keep warm during the day.

    BTDT. Yeah, the warmer it was outside, the more I'd have to bundle up inside.

  • (disco)

    Lol "You're making something out of nothing". I don't think "The primary server went down because of this" is nothing...

  • (disco) in reply to HardwareGeek
    HardwareGeek:
    >Several of the employees brought winter coats from home and left them at their desks to try and keep warm during the day.

    BTDT. Yeah, the warmer it was outside, the more I'd have to bundle up inside.

    And that's when you bring out the little space heater..

  • (disco)

    Why are there so many repurposed janitor closets coming up in stories lately?

    The stories are about servers in closets because servers under desks cause fewer problems other than what happens when someone accidentally kicks the network cable a few too many times and breaks it…

  • (disco) in reply to HardwareGeek
    HardwareGeek:
    BTDT. Yeah, the warmer it was outside, the more I'd have to bundle up inside.

    That is the American way

  • (disco)
    Remy:
    Decimalization is bad. Why can't it be base-60?

    IMHO 60 a bit big a number as a base; It would require more number symbols than letters, which seems exaggerated.

    I say, let's all switch to base 12 instead, for everything. While 10 only has divisors 2 and 5, 12 has all possible divisors except 5! And who's regularly dividing things by 5 anyway?

    Then the boiling point of water could be fixed at 10012°C (i. e. 14410°C), which as a bonus would also solve the problem that the 1°C step is just slightly too large and thus temperatures often need fractional parts.

    Free yourselves from the tyranny of finger counting! Start using the One True Base now!

  • (disco) in reply to ixvedeusi
    ixvedeusi:
    Then the boiling point of water could be fixed at 10012°C (i. e. 14410°C),

    All bases are base 10 in their own base. :trophy:

  • (disco) in reply to dkf
    dkf:
    All bases are base 10 in their own base.

    Yeah, but "While 10 only has divisors 2 and 5, 10 has all possible divisors except 5!" doesn't really get my point across...

  • (disco) in reply to dkf
    ixvedeusi:
    IMHO 50 a bit big a number as a base; It would require more number symbols than letters, which seems exaggerated.

    I say, let's all switch to base 10 instead, for everything. While A only has divisors 2 and 5, 10 has all possible divisors except 5! And who's regularly dividing things by 5 anyway?

    B10T4U. Happy now?

  • (disco)

    In some ways (but not completely) this article reminds me of the server room in a previous company. We moved to a different office space, and long before moving in talked to building administration about the server room, asking for some air conditioning, because, well, we were going to put in some servers. Building administration said all would be well, and we were good with that.

    Until, that is, we actually moved. It started off badly, as the 19" rack wouldn't actually fit through the door, so in the end there were 3 people pulling, 2 people pushing and 1 person removing a piece of wall with a hammer, so after about 1 hour we somehow managed to get the cabinet in, leaving some destruction in its wake.

    The next surprise was the air condition: They had done something, which was mounting a toilet fan on the ceiling (at least it connected directly to the outside...). With a rather full rack plus several other, non-rack machines in there the effect of the ventilation was a bit meager, though - we moved in in winter, and after one night of leaving the machines running with the door closed temperature in the room reached some 65°C (150°F) - measured actually.

    The machines ran in self-preservation mode, shutting down every couple of minutes, but interestingly survived that without any trouble; our only choice was leaving the door open, which managed to somewhat alleviate the problem, machines rebooting only every 3-5 hours now. The constant hiss and hum from fans blazing at top speed filled the office, and we were somewhat satisfied for the time being.

    When summer came, of course, this failed. Building administration wouldn't permit us installing a proper AC, so we did try some mobile AC device, the exhaust of which we "connected" to the toilet fan, with the fabulous result that room temperature didn't drop really, but the toilet fan actually melted. With some big standard fans we managed to keep the room temperature around 55°C on cooler days; one particularly poor guy from the telephone company had to spend a full 3 hours inside there doing some repairs on a really hot day, he didn't look healthy afterwards...

    Still, remarkably, not a single piece of equipment actually died.

  • (disco)

    Jimmy sighed. “Lordy, I’ll put it on the list, and maybe we’ll get something before summer comes ‘round. But I don’t want you proppin’ that door open! That’s expensive equipment, and I don’t want anything taking a walk!”

    TRWTF is the protagonist not responding to this with, "which is more expensive? Replacing a server we lost because someone stole it, or replacing a server we lost because it died from overheating?"

  • (disco)

    "which uses refrigerant and a compressor [s]to create cold temperatures[/s] to extract heat from the indoor air"

    FTFY.

  • (disco) in reply to LB_
    LB_:
    Why are there so many repurposed janitor closets coming up in stories lately?

    Because janitor closets--and, well, storerooms--are such handy places for computer equipment.

    • A room is needed--a janitor closet is a room
    • The room needs to be lockable and secure (valuable equipment)--most janitor closets have locks (mops are soooo valuable you know)
    • The room needs to have power--janitor closets usually have a plug
    • All the more important rooms are in use; besides, other rooms have windows and...did I say "valuable equipment"?

    As for cooling in janitor closets...air conditioning is expensive and why let the equipment be tenderfooted? Step up, be a man, handle the heat just like we expect the people to do. After all, you're a @*#&! machine, should be able to handle the heat as well as any human!

  • (disco)

    it’s already up over 80ºF (27ºC) today

    one day in August it crested 100ºF (37ªC) outside

    the building was 55ºF (13ºC)

    @Remy Interesting choice of U+00BA ORDINAL INDICATOR (and one instance of U+00AA FEMININE ORDINAL INDICATOR) when there's a perfectly good U+00B0 DEGREE SIGN (°).

    ixvedeusi:
    I say, let's all switch to base 12 instead, for everything. While 10 only has divisors 2 and 5, 12 has all possible divisors except 5! And who's regularly dividing things by 5 anyway?

    Are you by chance a member of The Dozenal Society of America?

  • (disco) in reply to Protoman
    Protoman:
    Are you by chance a member of The Dozenal Society of America

    I would have liked to say "not yet", but alas, wrong continent.

    And no, the DSGB won't do, neither.

  • (disco) in reply to ixvedeusi
    ixvedeusi:
    Free yourselves from the tyranny of finger counting! Start using the One True Base now!

    But binary is so clumsy. .. can we compromise with, say, octal or hex?

    Filed Under: and it's easy to count to 255 on your fingers in hex

  • (disco)

    Swamp coolers suck for brewing beer, too, though most brewing 'swamp cooler' setups are just a basin of ice water and a wet towel wrapped around the fermenter, so what do you expect?

  • (disco) in reply to dkf

    but they aren't base ten in their own base, so don't try that joke out loud.

  • (disco) in reply to Protoman

    I actually have a very good reason. I typed this on a Mac, and ALT+0 outputs "º". It looks enough like a degree symbol that it's suitable for most purposes, even if it isn't typographically correct.

  • (disco)

    Swamp coolers work depending on the outside temperature and humidity. At optimal conditions, they lower the ambient temperature about 15-20 degrees. So please explain how it was oh so hot outdoors, but because they turned the swamp cooler on "high", it was cold enough for winter coats inside. Was it a "magic" swamp cooler? Next time stick to leaky plumbing as your story's plot device, instead of bending the laws of physics and using humidity from a swamp cooler.

  • (disco) in reply to Remy
    Remy:
    I typed this on a Mac...
    I knew there was something off about this guy.
  • (disco) in reply to VonSkippy
    VonSkippy:
    Swamp coolers work depending on the outside temperature and humidity. At optimal conditions, they lower the ambient temperature about 15-20 degrees. So please explain how it was oh so hot outdoors, but because they turned the swamp cooler on "high", it was cold enough for winter coats inside.

    I (and I'm sure most people here) work with people who wear winter coats when it's 70F in the office. So assuming you're correct, that would happen if it's 85-90F outside. That sounds like a typically warm/hot summer day.

  • (disco) in reply to Remy

    Option+Shift+8 gives you °

  • (disco) in reply to VonSkippy
    VonSkippy:
    At optimal conditions, they lower the ambient temperature about 15-20 degrees.

    Yeah, I wasn't going to address that elephant....

  • (disco) in reply to Tsaukpaetra
    Tsaukpaetra:
    address that elephant
    [image]
  • (disco)

    TRWTF is that there is a large blank clickable area to the right of the cooler picture.

  • (disco) in reply to VonSkippy

    Dragnslcr

    Perhaps you didn't read the part that said "Jimmy cranked it as high as it would go, which meant regardless of the temperature outside, the building was 55ºF "

    Note the "regardless of outside temperature" and "55ºF" parts.

    So again, is it a magic swamp cooler that regardless of the outside temperature can make the indoor temp's a frosty 55ºF. If so, they need to patent that swamp cooler asap, since that would revolutionize cooling for the hot dry mid-west, where when the temperatures spike around 105ºF in the summer the swamp coolers manage a weak balmy 90 something inside.

    It all really doesn't matter (dew point physics isn't really the point here), I just hate when instead of telling true stories on WTF people write fantasy just to make some tired bad management story.

  • (disco) in reply to CoyneTheDup
    CoyneTheDup:
    As for cooling in janitor closets...air conditioning is expensive and why let the equipment be tenderfooted? Step up, be a man, handle the heat just like we expect the people to do. After all, you're a @*#&! machine, should be able to handle the heat as well as any human!

    To be fair, if your internal temperature hit 170 degrees F, bad things would happen to you as well.

  • (disco) in reply to tenshino
    tenshino:
    To be fair, if your internal temperature hit 170 degrees F, bad things would happen to you as well.

    I'd say you were cooked, but it depends on how long you were that temperature to be sure...

  • (disco) in reply to tenshino
    VonSkippy:
    Note the "regardless of outside temperature" and "55ºF" parts.

    So again, is it a magic swamp cooler that regardless of the outside temperature can make the indoor temp's a frosty 55ºF. If so, they need to patent that swamp cooler asap, since that would revolutionize cooling for the hot dry mid-west, where when the temperatures spike around 105ºF in the summer the swamp coolers manage a weak balmy 90 something inside.

    Hey, swamp coolers are efficient: the hotter and drier, the colder they get. If you don't mind living in a swamp.

    tenshino:
    To be fair, if your internal temperature hit 170 degrees F, bad things would happen to you as well.

    I was paraphrasing "The Mgt" view. I know that.

    Having been primarily responsible for the "piece of overheated equipment shoved in a non-ventilated janitor closet", I am very familiar with "The Mgt" view. The best I was able to get was a blower vent to the restroom next door.

  • (disco) in reply to ixvedeusi
    ixvedeusi:
    And who's regularly dividing things by 5 anyway?
    :wave: We have three kids...
  • (disco) in reply to VonSkippy

    Friendly advice: The [image] button to the side of the post makes it easier for everyone to read who you're replying to and sends a notification to the user, as does @mention<!---->ing them. </toaster>

    Now, feel free to :doing_it_wrong:, I'm not @:doing_it_wrong:, but those are actually kinda useful features of Discourse :)

  • (disco) in reply to CoyneTheDup
    CoyneTheDup:
    Having been primarily responsible for the "piece of overheated equipment shoved in a non-ventilated janitor closet", I am very familiar with "The Mgt" view. The best I was able to get was a blower vent to the restroom next door.

    Would "accidentally" taking the server offline for several weeks be feasible, while you simulated physical repairs?

    Then of course rinse and repeat as needed until MaNagement understands. (That was an @accalia, but I decided to keep it for the lolz.)

  • (disco) in reply to sloosecannon
    sloosecannon:
    Would "accidentally" taking the server offline for several weeks be feasible, while you simulated physical repairs?

    No. Sadly.

  • (disco) in reply to ixvedeusi
  • (disco) in reply to ixvedeusi
    ixvedeusi:
    IMHO 60 a bit big a number as a base; It would require more number symbols than letters, which seems exaggerated.

    Why? The Babylonians did it for centuries, if not millennia.

    Notation seems to be not overly inconvenient in cuneiform script.

  • (disco) in reply to r10pez10
    Remy:
    I typed this on a Mac, and ALT+0 outputs "º".
    Protoman:
    Option+Shift+8 gives you °

    It's HTML... typing &deg; should produce ° on any operating system.

    r10pez10:

    My fingers don't bend that way. 2's easy, but 1's virtually impossible.

  • (disco) in reply to anotherusername
    anotherusername:
    My fingers don't bend that way. 2's easy, but 1's virtually impossible.

    You can't touch the tip of your little finger with your thumb? (It's usual to use the thumb as the position indicator with that system…)

  • (disco) in reply to dkf

    I think I'll stick to plain old base 10 finger counting.

  • (disco)

    I think God missed a trick when he let tetrapods evolve only five digits.

  • (disco) in reply to ixvedeusi

    Did somebody mention that all you are base are belong to us yet? I ask because I can't believe it hasn't been mentioned but I don't know where to look for it.

  • (disco) in reply to Shoreline

    That would be Base Zero (Wing).

    And just to show how far we've come from the sorry days of the TurboGrafx in terms of getting quality translations for games, take a look at Cutie Riot. It's a pretty typical example of a mobile (cr)app game (nominally a JRPG, but without the 'roleplaying' and 'game' parts) whose translation needs translating. There are hundreds of not thousands of these on the Google Play Store, and probably almost as many on the Apple Store despite the supposed quality vetting. And don't even mention Steam(ing pile of shit) or the Microsoft (in the head) App Marketplace or whatever they are calling it now...

  • (disco) in reply to Mason_Wheeler
    ...and a smelly French drain in the floor...
    Of course, it's probably smelly because nobody is using it. If the water in the trap evaporates then gases from the sewer can enter the room through the drain. Pour a bucket of water down that drain once a month (if you can't afford to have a plumber seal it off) and that problem should go away.

    Given the rest of the article, maybe rigging something to channel the water dripping from the ceiling into that drain can solve two problems at once. :smile:

    Mason_Wheeler:
    TRWTF is the protagonist not responding to this with, "which is more expensive? Replacing a server we lost because someone stole it, or replacing a server we lost because it died from overheating?"

    Actually, the server walking is more costly, because the data may end up in the hands of others. For a dead server, you're only out the cost of the hardware (and time to restore from a backup.)

  • (disco) in reply to David_C
    David_C:
    >a smelly French drain in the floor

    That's an odd thing to have in the floor: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_drain

    A French drain ... is a trench filled with gravel or rock or containing a perforated pipe that redirects surface water and groundwater away from an area.

    I think Remy meant simply "drain," rather than "French drain."

  • (disco) in reply to ScholRLEA
    ScholRLEA:
    Filed Under: and it's easy to count to 255 on your fingers in hex

    You can count to 1023 on your fingers, using binary.

  • (disco) in reply to BrianB_NY

    I can count to 1048575 on my fingers when i want to!

    :-D

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