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Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 09:05 • by JimM (unregistered)2 Replies • Last 2008-02-13 13:55
I love the fact that "you buy" is a statement rather than a request ;^) Interestingly, I have this conversation regularly with my wife (who is co-director in my company): I tell her about some fantastic software idea I have, she asks if there's a market for it, I say I was going to release it open source, and she asks me how I'm going to pay the rent. I'd love to have ethics, but I just can't afford them :(

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 09:14 • by vt_mruhlin • 0 Replies
Alex is going to have a stern talk with me about how I’m not cut out for the web comic biz

Woohoo, time for a promotion to management.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 09:23 • by WeffJebster (unregistered)1 Replies • Last 2008-02-13 10:23

I can't believe nobody's commented on his shirt. That's the funny part of this comic. The joke was predictable, but the shirt... Beautiful touch.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 09:29 • by Josh (unregistered)10 Replies • Last 2008-02-15 15:28
...and the commentary has to be more accurate, as a good portion of the folks who work on Open Source do so under the pay of a company that uses it.

On the other hand, let's ask what's being made fun of here. The idealism? The kid's assumption that he'll take over the world? Or the fact that he chose to create economic output in the form of writing open source software?

And, let me ask: what's inherently wrong with someone who, having a lot of time on their hands, decides to write open source software? Some folks join the Peace Corps; others join groups such as habitat for humanity. Still others choose to write open source software. If it provides benefit to society in general, then that is economic output and may be valuable. Remember, the two guys in a garage that was RedHat in the mid 90's now has hundreds of millions in revenue every year.

It appears that you're assuming because someone works on open source, that person is a slacker. You know what happens when you ASS-U-ME, but in this case it's all on you.


Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 09:31 • by PanteraCanes (unregistered)1 Replies • Last 2008-02-13 10:28
Am I the only one who loves this? Maybe I'm the only one who likes getting paid for my time and knows people who are just like that? Funny stuff.

(first ever comment on this website)

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 09:36 • by Volmarias • 4 Replies • Last 2008-02-13 23:14
Please, just let this die a horrible stillborn death before it becomes any worse----SNIPPED a river of tears about how bad this is----

Note from Alex: If you have yet to learn the power of ignoring things* you don't like, and truly feel the need to continue to whine about how much you hate this comic, then do so on the original announcement or in the forums or directly to me.

I am very recepitive to feedback of any kind, but please send it to the appropriate place. As such, off-topic comments ("first!", "you suck!", "this rocks!", "why did my 'you suck!' comment get censored!?") will be deleted.

* Igorning MFD is actually amazingly easily in this case. Here's how! if (rssTitle.startsWith("Mandatory Fun Day:") || webTitle.IsColor("Obsidianish") ignore();

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 10:01 • by :\ (unregistered)22 Replies • Last 2008-09-12 00:52
I like the stereotyping here.
So whats next a strip on how all Latino's eat rice and beans while everyone of African decent love to eat fried chicken and BBQ all the time?

I don't see the humor in it basically your taking a large segment of the software development community stereotyping them as communist software developers who are all long haired stallman types and that no money can ever be made from an open source project. You do realize their are many open source developers out there making good money alot more then $42k a year.

But hey keep your head up if the strip don't work out here Microsoft might have an opening in their FUD department for you. :)

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 10:02 • by alexgieg (unregistered)1 Replies • Last 2008-02-13 12:04
Come on, guys. It's clear today's comic is about pro-OSS teen fanboyism. Normal guy gets a job, fanboy sees that as treason, but still needs money from normal guy. It's simple 3-step humor that maybe could have been done better, but it's clear.

I also wouldn't worry about the art. It'll improve over time, as is usual in this kind of comic.

However, I'd ask Alex for a small change. I read TDWTF on my job between a task or two. Since the site is very "techie", even when it comes to screenshots, my doing so usually goes unnoticed by those around me. However a comic strip is instantly noticeable, and it does in fact drive them to ask me what I'm doing. Not nice!

So, if you'll keep adding the comics (and I hope you do), please do so in a way that isn't THAT evident when I open [url=][url]. If possible, show it only when we actually open the corresponding article. This way, if I see there's a strip available, I can wait until my lunch to look at it.


Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 10:15 • by :\ (unregistered)2 Replies • Last 2008-02-13 18:59
And its ignorant comics like this that give the open source community a bad name in the eyes of the corporate world for no reason other then this person feels that only people who write code to make money off their code are professional and stand to make any money in the industry...

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 10:15 • by Mateo_LeFou • 1 Replies • Last 2008-02-13 10:30
It's not so much that the joke is bad, but that it's old.

"ha ha get out of your mom's basement and get a real job" as a jab-at-FOSS is celebrating it's tenth anniversary in May of this year, as I recall

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 10:16 • by zip • 0 Replies
It's better then the first one, but still not funny at all. It's not funny if you already know the end of the cartoon after you read the first sentence.

I came here to say this. "LOL Open Source Developers ARE POOR" is a pretty stale cliche; if it's going to be the punchline you've got to get there in a less obvious way.

Just trying to be constructive.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 10:18 • by halber_mensch • 1 Replies • Last 2008-02-14 08:51
Christ, there's some miserable buggers posting. Do you talk to people face-to-face like that? Or are you just a coward, hiding behind a keyboard?

Personally, it's not my sort of thing and I'd be happier if there was a feed without it.

That being said, good luck and I appreciate your trying something new to entertain us.

No shit, man. Disliking content on the site is one thing, but to whine like an 8 year old that doesnt want to eat his brussels sprouts is uncalled for. You bastards don't pay the bills to keep the damn site up, so Alex has no obligation to you. You can piss off.

Now, personally, I can take or leave the comic; but you know what? I have these well developed ocular muscles that allow me to redirect my focus to another part of the screen, thus avoiding the comic should I want to. It takes little effort, and is surprisingly effective.

Furthermore, the joke is pretty funny. I am an open source developer that is gainfully employed, and I am not ignorant of the presence of greasy-haired smelly zealots living in their parents' basements blaming The Man for all their problems and believing that somehow in their social ineptness and poverty they will spend enough time not playing World of Warcraft to lead an open source revolution that will destroy Microsoft and bring peace and order to the galaxy with the mighty Linux Jedi as its protectorate. They are silly people, and coincidentally can't handle jokes about themselves.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 10:23 • by Stevey (unregistered)0 Replies
I think your out of jokes already - well funny ones anyway.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 10:24 • by Rob (unregistered)0 Replies
This one was actually pretty funny, sums up my feelings about Linux and the FSF nicely :)

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 10:27 • by gherkin • 1 Replies • Last 2008-02-13 10:36
I've never actually met anybody like the open source coder in this comic strip. I know people who contribute to open source projects as a hobby, as part of a project for university, or simply to expand their resume and make themselves more employable.

I have a paid job in programming after having coded open source software in my spare time. It cost me nothing to gain the skills that landed me my job. I didn't pay for any expensive proprietary IDEs or servers. I didn't pay any corporations for "certifications" in their proprietary technologies.

But I certainly never used to sit around like a hippy promising an open source revolution and railing against "the man". I just think that anybody who believes there's no money to be had in open source (which seems, unfortunately, to include the author of this comic strip) is an idiot.

In conclusion, this comic isn't funny because it caricatures something that isn't even real.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 10:29 • by Tick (unregistered)0 Replies
That is funny. Best one yet. Try four fingers like The Simpsons.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 10:29 • by printf (unregistered)0 Replies
What's with the anti-FOSS FUD in my daily WTF?

Anyway, I don't come here to read about some guy apologizing that his new webcomic sucks. Please move the webcomic to a different feed.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 10:33 • by llama64 (unregistered)3 Replies • Last 2008-02-14 10:04
Good first steps on the web comic!

Ignore the morons here whining about a new feature they didn't pay for.

Here, let me explain the joke to those of you who failed basic reading comprehension:
- He's poking fun at people who reject getting paid for doing software development and exclaim that it's immoral to work on anything but Linux and open-source software. I've met these people, they exist, and they deserve to be made fun of.

The strip was not making fun of open-source professionals or open-source software. Learn to read.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 10:33 • by Ubersoldat (unregistered)0 Replies
ehm... I work on a few open source project and have a day job which helps me pay the bills, like most of OSS programmers I think. So I don't think this is either funny or true. Back to the stereotypes of OSS people being computer nerds with stupid ambitions of world renown.

If you want me, I can translate you some very funny and UberGeek web comic called "Raulito El Friki" or "Tira Ecol":

This one goes like this:
Bilo: shit! The elevator got stuck! I'm scared!
Guy: Dude! Do you hear me? Firemen are on their way! Hang On!
Bilo: Oh! No problem, No hurry... I've found an open WiFi

See! That's funny!

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 10:41 • by WeffJebster (unregistered)0 Replies
Oh, come on guys. You're just looking for a reason to be offended. Cool it off.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 10:56 • by Martin (unregistered)1 Replies • Last 2008-02-14 09:08
Well, I liked it... and as an avid webcomic reader, I know it will probably get better each time. So keep working, George, some of us DO have a sense of humour :P

And for those who argue that the comic is based on something than isn`t real, look at it this way: when you tell a joke, you start telling it by saying "Ok, this may not be 100% true, I haven't checked it myself, but I've been told that once a horse went into a bar..."?

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 10:56 • by Master TMO (unregistered)0 Replies
#1 - don't worry about the artwork. It'll improve with practice. Go look at almost every webcomic in existence that's been around awhile and compare the first strips with the latest ones, and you'll see huge improvements.

#2 - keep writing the jokes you think are funny. Some people will get it, others won't, and some will flame you. Writing jokes is like artwork, the more you write, the better they'll get.

#3 - ignore the trolls. Hard to do, I know. But my personal theory is that if you want to be 100% PC and never risk offending anyone, the first thing you have to do is absolutely eradicate your sense of humor. There is almost no humor that isn't potentially offensive to someone, somewhere, somewhen.

Keep up the good work. *dons flame-retardant gear*

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 11:01 • by Thom (unregistered)1 Replies • Last 2008-02-13 11:27
I've got to admit I cringed a little at the first comic, but this one rocks! Ignore the whiners who are upset that their t-shirts have just been rendered wtf material and keep at it. Comics are an art not a science, so it takes time to get into and maintain a consistent groove. You're heading in the right direction.

P.S. For all you shmucks complaining about the drawing - go chastise the creator(s) of xkcd.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 11:07 • by tombom • 0 Replies
I hate to seem like I'm whining or trolling; I didn't care when the site changed its name or back again and I don't think there's really ever been a decline in quality. I like pretty much all the articles and a lot of the comments too. This webcomic is just unfunny though. I may be biased because I don't like most webcomics but although the art is decent the jokes are just really quite lame. This one is a joke that's used so often that it's lost most of its humor, not because it's offensive. I'm not trying to tell you how to run your website or anything and I don't care if you continue I just felt I may as well comment.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 11:07 • by Ray (unregistered)0 Replies
I got the joke, and the T-shirt was great. You should have some little nugget about Duke Nukem Forever too!

I like how you are comparing two people starting out after college with two different approaches to the situation. Obviously this is a comic, so stretching and bending reality a bit lends more to the humor. It also paints a real picture. It's harder, IMO, to get established in the open source culture. You have to gain some sort of respect first, whereas it might be easier to get that first bit of experience through a private company. If you can get that first bit of experience working on open source for a company, then great!

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 11:14 • by Tony Green (unregistered)2 Replies • Last 2008-02-14 05:20
"I don’t know how to use apostrophe’s"

Oh the irony!

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 11:22 • by Anonymous (unregistered)4 Replies • Last 2008-02-15 00:05
My comic is still 100000 times better.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 11:28 • by John (unregistered)0 Replies
While the comics haven't made me laugh yet, the comments about how much people hate them have made me laugh.

Keep it up :)

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 11:28 • by DeLos • 1 Replies • Last 2008-02-13 11:33
He hasn't got his allowance yet. That's the best part.

Oh to be young and self-righteous ... and rich.

Money makes ideals easier to pursue.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 11:34 • by Anon Fred (unregistered)1 Replies • Last 2008-02-13 14:30

Art suggestion: use less detail.

This sounds counter-intuitive, but, especially in black-and-white, you need to do more with less.

You show promise.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 11:41 • by Freddy Bob (unregistered)1 Replies • Last 2008-02-17 20:58
That should be "anatomically correctly". "Correct" is an adjective and not the adverb which would have been needed to modify the verb.
Quibbles aside though, Mandatory Fun Day sucks dogs' balls.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 11:51 • by ThomsonsPier • 0 Replies
Comic opinions: seen better, seen worse. It's mostly the material that's lacking at the moment; it's old. The visual style is a bit fussy for my taste, but that has more to do with my taste than it has with your artwork, I suppose.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 11:57 • by Anonymous Coward (unregistered)0 Replies
Only negative comments?

I think the cartoons are way cool! Keep 'em coming! They're gonna be very (ahem) popular.

captcha: populus

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 12:00 • by Tex (unregistered)1 Replies • Last 2008-02-14 09:45
First and foremost: Poor graphics. The storyplot may be trivial in webcomics, as far as graphic side ls done well. But when the drawings sucks, nothing can help you.

Second: The strips simply doesn't fit to the page layout. They disappear between articles, ads. It should be always in the same place.

So, in summary: good idea and nice try, but there are still many to accomplish.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 12:09 • by shadowman • 0 Replies
I think the comics would be waaaay better without comment threads. It kind of ruins the joke if it gets talked about too much

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 12:10 • by Kyle Bennett (unregistered)0 Replies
The real WTF is this comic...

Sorry, somebody had to say it.

But, hey, there's room to grow into it. The artwork doesn't matter if the content is good (look at XKCD). The problem with a lot of techie comics is that the authors think a comic can be good by being about IT, when in fact for any comic to be good, it has to be about people, whether they are in a tech setting or otherwise (again, look at XKCD). Caricatures are not people with ideas, they are ideas pretending to be people. A well-drawn caricature will never be as good as a stick-figure real person.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 12:13 • by ObiWayneKenobi • 0 Replies
I dunno, I like the comic so far. I like the other guy's comic in this thread, too. Hilarious that the Linux guy was wearing a hammer-and-sickle shirt, because we all know that Richard Stallman and anyone who supports open-source is a commie.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 12:16 • by mizchief (unregistered)2 Replies • Last 2008-02-14 09:21
The Real WTF here is how so many people are complaining bout their posts being deleted. It appears one of mine was as well. If someone is cursing or just being overly offensive you may have grounds. Otherwise you are dooming your own site. Your stories and code samples are amusing, but ultimalty it's the community that keeps your site alive.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 12:33 • by G Money (unregistered)0 Replies
This comic is like the "yogurt parfait" at McDonald's. WTF? I came for a Big Mac and fries.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 12:40 • by gabba • 0 Replies
So, which of the two characters is the naive, stupid, idealistic one, giving away his time and expertise in exchange for next to nothing?

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 12:56 • by Ben (unregistered)0 Replies
I think it's hilarious...don't be turned off by negative comments.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 13:06 • by Gryc (unregistered)0 Replies
Well I wont rant to you about stereotyping open-source developers as jobless bums, since everyone else has done such a good job of it.

Instead, I'll give you some drawing tips.
1.) Put a double, or even triple-width black outline around each "important part", like each person for instance.
2.) On the hands, I can see exactly what you think while drawing them, "onefingertwofingerthreefingerfourfingers". Try three, it might look a little more natural (as counterintuitive as that is.)
3.) Watch the detail. That detail in his shirt just turns to muddled pixels.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 13:08 • by lolcat (unregistered)0 Replies

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 13:09 • by SomeCoder (unregistered)0 Replies
To agree with someone else in this thread: Yes, stop comparing this comic to xkcd.

There are tons of differences between the two. The primary one is that xkcd is at least a little funny.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 13:10 • by Give It Some Time (unregistered)0 Replies
Wow, this crowd is brutal. A web comic that deals with software development on this site is like throwing a bleeding man in a pool full of sharks. Holy $***!

Give it a little time. Maybe the comic will just rehash stereotypes and not be fit to line the bottom of a bird cage, or maybe one of the characters is a walking stereotype inside an otherwise intelligent comic. At only two strips in, it's pretty hard to tell.

Personally, I think the "The Leader in the Linux Revolution" line hints toward something deeper. Linux is a community with several prominent figures, but has no "leader" in the traditional sense.

That is, George Bush was(n't) elected leader, and I don't like him, but he's got the power of the government to force me to follow him. Richard Stallman is also a "leader", but the people who follow him are the people who want to follow him; everybody else is free to do their own thing.

Becoming a "leader" in Linux for it's own sake is tilting at windmills. The community follows leadership, not "leaders". Moreover, becoming "The Leader" (the one and only?) only serves to underscore the faulty premise of the basic idea.

Give the comic time to show its colors.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 13:32 • by Tzimisce • 1 Replies • Last 2008-02-13 13:41
I liked this strip...

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 13:37 • by Covarr (unregistered)1 Replies • Last 2008-02-13 13:53
Dude, it's in black and white, and not very detailed. How on earth did you manage to make it 107.44 KB? Using Photoshop's "Save for Web" I managed to make this exact same strip only 34.36 KB, less than a third the file size without any noticeable loss in detail (PNG-8, Grayscale, Diffusion, 88% Dither, 8 colors).

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 13:42 • by Anonymous (unregistered)1 Replies • Last 2008-02-13 14:01
Yes, exactly, I want to know about what exact piece(s) of software he is consulting.

Then why don't you just mail him? It's not like that his e-mail address is hidden.

And what the hell is that tone, either way? Noone has any obligation to tell you where they work or how much money they make, (not that it matters since that wasn't your argument) if you like to poke your nose in such things, then maybe you should make yourself an IRS office worker? What you can learn by just using google is that most of his time is consumed by managing the FSF. (and before you go and say "AH HAH! A manager! Nothing like a programmer." maybe you should try to actually manage something as big)

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 13:51 • by M.C. Sarbanes-Oxalot (unregistered)1 Replies • Last 2008-02-13 13:52
the comic is OK, but please, can we discontinue this? i don't come here for amusing nonfiction. i don't come here for web comics. there are zillions of sites that serve them, and i have a regular lineup of favorites.

like most of us, i come here for the sort of terrifying hilarity that only the black comedy of reality can bring -- that's the real Daily WTF.

Re: 1.3: It Pays Money

2008-02-13 13:51 • by adk (unregistered)0 Replies
LOLZ for sure, FTW!

That is, laughter at all the self-righteous schmucks with an overblown sense of their own importance, posting about how terrible this webcomic is because it skewers their own sacred pig. Surely you realize by now George, make a bunch of the same old tired M$ jokes and then you'll get all the happy comments you can handle! But for heavens' sake, don't make the same old tired jokes about the 'free, as in speech' movement or players - clearly a violation of the groupthink!

And for the record, different tools meet different business needs. Evangelists belong in a church, where their choice to reject reason and simply spout dogma about their faith may actually increase the tithes they take from the masses.
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