Comment On A Winning Aptitude

Nothing screams sexy like an ad for a C# developer job at a well-funded start-up. In fact, when Frank's recruiter presented the opportunity to him, Frank knew it would be a long shot. After all, he had no commercial software experience and had only limited Web development experience. But he did know .NET pretty well, so he figured it'd be worth a try. Maybe his skills could translate to a Web-based software company. [expand full text]
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Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 09:08 • by Larry (unregistered)
The perfect software team has upper managers, lower managers, project managers, and lots of kool-aid drinking cheerleaders known as the marketing department. But no developers. Nobody understands what they do anyway, other than make the project late by missing a few status meetings or failing to show up one weekend.

Yesterday's company had the right idea -- ahem "re-purpose" someone else's software, and offshore the actual work, if any.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 09:09 • by Anonymous (unregistered)
This all sounds eerily familiar. Like every job I've ever had, in fact.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 09:09 • by Drew (unregistered)
Skills and experience can be learned and attitude doesn't often change. But you have to gain those skills and experience from someone.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 09:12 • by justsomedude (unregistered)
Geospatial Systems Program Manager, for a web software company?

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 09:12 • by Steve (unregistered)
#define attitude aptitude

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 09:12 • by Ben Jammin (unregistered)
If you have unguided interns programming your code, you're going to get code that looks like it was programmed by an intern.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 09:14 • by Ben Jammin (unregistered)
And if you catch me before coffee, you get comments that sound like "Code programming intern programs code"

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 09:18 • by Not THAT Alex (unregistered)
263643 in reply to 263639
Steve:
#define attitude aptitude


All they need is a package manager.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 09:25 • by my name is missing (unregistered)
I worked at a healthcare claims processing company which hired the same people, but made them architects of the system.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 09:26 • by justsomedude (unregistered)
They should use more XML.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 09:34 • by valerion
I've spent today introducing a new hire to the wonders of our codebase... I'm expecting her to be posting on here within the week, much like Frank.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 09:38 • by justsomedude (unregistered)
263649 in reply to 263648
valerion:
I've spent today introducing a new hire to the wonders of our codebase... I'm expecting her to be posting on here within the week, much like Frank.


make sure she knows all new posters have to supply a fansign image in their first post.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 09:38 • by Code Dependent
Nothing screams sexy like an ad for a C# developer job at a well-funded start-up.
You and I are clearly not using the same definition for "sexy".

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 09:40 • by pcb (unregistered)
what's wrong with a winning apt-get?

i've got a real updating, upgrading and auto-removing apt-get on @life

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 09:43 • by TRWTF (unregistered)
I love being party of a "startup" that's been in business for over 10 years and has all of 10 employees; half developers, half managers.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 09:44 • by WebDevHobo (unregistered)
I'm a first year C# student and even I know that. People, there is more to programming than just making it work.

There is an unbelievably deep system in the whole thing... learn it and use it.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 09:49 • by Sander (unregistered)
263655 in reply to 263653
WebDevHobo:
I'm a first year C# student and even I know that. People, there is more to programming than just making it work.

There is an unbelievably deep system in the whole thing... learn it and use it.

but then some people know what programming means... and some don't. Not even after 10 years.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 09:50 • by configurator (unregistered)
Hmm, I'm part of a web start up that's been around for a few years, has more managers than developers, and has a Geospatial Systems Manager. But we don't have anyone called Frank here!

We don't use C# either, actually.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 09:55 • by Code Dependent
263658 in reply to 263639
Steve:
#define attitude aptitude
Very apt.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 10:03 • by unknown (unregistered)
263661 in reply to 263658
Code Dependent:
Steve:
#define attitude aptitude
Very apt.

I don't like your attitude

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 10:04 • by Vollhorst (unregistered)
Dev to Manager: "To improve the code we need a geospatial manager class."
Manager to HR: "We need a classy Geospatial Manager!"

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 10:05 • by bored (unregistered)
263663 in reply to 263653
Wow how deep... please expand more on your brain teasing concept.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 10:08 • by spamcourt
C# developer job
shiny new Macbooks everywhere


Yeah that's gonna work.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 10:13 • by campkev
Frank's first day consisted mostly of introductions. When he finally made it back to his desk, he couldn't help but wonder about some things. Things like, why would a Web-based software company with 20 employees have only three developers on staff? And why would two of those developers be part-time interns?


And why would a company doing C# development have MacBooks everywhere?

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 10:14 • by Anonymous Coward (unregistered)
263666 in reply to 263635
Larry:
kool-aid drinking cheerleaders known as the marketing department.


Gotta love it when comments are way more amusing than the article.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 10:17 • by Inhibeo (unregistered)
263667 in reply to 263665
campkev:

And why would a company doing C# development have MacBooks everywhere?

Some iPhone fanboys believe that all .NET developers should use Macs.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 10:33 • by ubersoldat
263668 in reply to 263664
spamcourt:
C# developer job
shiny new Macbooks everywhere


Yeah that's gonna work.


You stole my comment!!!

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 10:41 • by Someone You Know
263670 in reply to 263658
Code Dependent:
Steve:
#define attitude aptitude
Very apt.


Very att.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 10:46 • by Charles400
"experience can be gained and skills can be learned, but attitude never changes."

I used to have that attitude.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 10:53 • by dkf
263673 in reply to 263664
spamcourt:
C# developer job
shiny new Macbooks everywhere
Yeah that's gonna work.
With the help of VMWare Fusion, yeah it might (if the management weren't cheap-ass nitwits that is…)

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 10:53 • by hikari
263674 in reply to 263664
spamcourt:
C# developer job
shiny new Macbooks everywhere


Yeah that's gonna work.


It does, I know several developers who do it. I've even seen people giving talks at MS-centric developer conferences using Macs. VMWare Fusion is a very useful package.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 10:55 • by Code Dependent
263676 in reply to 263670
Someone You Know:
Code Dependent:
Steve:
#define attitude aptitude
Very apt.
Very att.
Very @.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 10:56 • by Code Dependent
263677 in reply to 263672
Charles400:
"experience can be gained and skills can be learned, but attitude never changes."
I used to have that attitude.
I see what you did there.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 11:05 • by RBoy (unregistered)
263679 in reply to 263643
Not THAT Alex:
Steve:
#define attitude aptitude


All they need is a package manager.


That's what she said.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 11:07 • by Tombo (unregistered)
I use a MacPro and a MacBook Pro to do all my C# development. You can dual boot, or VMWare. You can even open your dual boot Win partition in VMWare and use it directly in OSX. VMWare has a "unity" mode where all the Win applications appear as windows on the OSX desktop. It's pretty slick. Only complaint is VMWare isn't as snappy as booting straight to Windows.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 11:21 • by Steve (unregistered)
263681 in reply to 263676
Code Dependent:
Someone You Know:
Code Dependent:
Steve:
#define attitude aptitude
Very apt.
Very att.
Very @.


#define att apt

I'm just trying to make the comment compile y'all..

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 12:01 • by m0ffx (unregistered)
263686 in reply to 263665
campkev:
Frank's first day consisted mostly of introductions. When he finally made it back to his desk, he couldn't help but wonder about some things. Things like, why would a Web-based software company with 20 employees have only three developers on staff? And why would two of those developers be part-time interns?


And why would a company doing C# development have MacBooks everywhere?


Because they're shiny. Management wants to attract people with the right a(p|t)titude, so they need to make the environment look attractive. A load of Dells wouldn't have the same aesthetic.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 12:03 • by Georgem (unregistered)
263687 in reply to 263674
hikari:
spamcourt:
C# developer job
shiny new Macbooks everywhere


Yeah that's gonna work.


It does, I know several developers who do it. I've even seen people giving talks at MS-centric developer conferences using Macs. VMWare Fusion is a very useful package.


I'm sure it does work. Whether it indicates that the development team are using the best tool for the job or not is another matter, though.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 12:03 • by Josh (unregistered)
Way to go! Let's make this C# application have all of the unneeded verbosity (and long development time) of C++!

If you really want high productivity, you need to code everything using IronPython. Then later it's easy to port to Linux when you want to run on a secure platform.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 12:06 • by Georgem (unregistered)
263689 in reply to 263686
m0ffx:
campkev:
Frank's first day consisted mostly of introductions. When he finally made it back to his desk, he couldn't help but wonder about some things. Things like, why would a Web-based software company with 20 employees have only three developers on staff? And why would two of those developers be part-time interns?


And why would a company doing C# development have MacBooks everywhere?


Because they're shiny. Management wants to attract people with the right a(p|t)titude, so they need to make the environment look attractive. A load of Dells wouldn't have the same aesthetic.


I got a job as a "Java developer" once. Didn't do a sod of Java the whole time I was there. After a while, I asked "why were you advertising for Java devs, then?" and the reply was something to the tune of "All the new grads are doing Java, and we want to make the job sound more appealing to them". There were, admittedly, a couple of Java projects in the place. But no grads working on them.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 12:10 • by Jason Y (unregistered)
263691 in reply to 263681
Comments are ignored by the compiler.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 12:11 • by Jason Y (unregistered)
263692 in reply to 263691
Jason Y:
Comments are ignored by the compiler.


I see that a reply does not automatically quote.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 12:17 • by Code Dependent
263694 in reply to 263692
Jason Y:
Jason Y:
Comments are ignored by the compiler.
I see that a reply does not automatically quote.
Nothing slow about you but your name, huh, Lightnin'.

See that "Quote" button to the right of "Reply"? You'll never guess what it's for...

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 12:19 • by whatever (unregistered)
object.equals wouldn't check the values, it checks if the 2 instances are equal, ie have the same memory address.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 12:19 • by Joey Stink Eye Smiles (unregistered)

TRWTF is that Frank didn't even ask how many developers are in the company or in his group during the interview.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 12:29 • by One Night at the Computer History Museum (unregistered)
263700 in reply to 263676
Code Dependent:
Someone You Know:
Code Dependent:
Steve:
#define attitude aptitude
Very apt.
Very att.
Very @.

Very ... umm... dammit, where's the key for the Death Star?

CAPTCHA: "acsi". That explains why I can't type that logo. It really should have been "udicone"

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 12:30 • by Steve (unregistered)
263701 in reply to 263692
quote user="Jason Y"]Comments are ignored by the compiler.[/quote]

#define // /**/

not anymore.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 12:35 • by Zer0 (unregistered)
263702 in reply to 263695
whatever:
object.equals wouldn't check the values, it checks if the 2 instances are equal, ie have the same memory address.


Uh no. Please don't code in C# ever again, thanks.

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 12:35 • by Bluesman (unregistered)
It was everything start-up dreams were made of: posh decor, shiny new Macbooks everywhere, an air-hockey table, free catered meals and Aeron chairs as far as the eye could see.


So let me get this: nice cushy job, and since he's by far the most knowledgeable programmer there, he can do what he wants (even if it's the right thing).

Why the hell does he want out???

Re: A Winning Aptitude

2009-05-20 12:54 • by Jay (unregistered)
263705 in reply to 263672
Charles400:
"experience can be gained and skills can be learned, but attitude never changes."

I used to have that attitude.


Theun you must still have that attitude, because attitude never changes.
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