Comment On Documentation by Sticky Note

Anita parked outside the converted garage, the printed graphic reading Global Entertainment Strategies (GES) above it. When the owner, an old man named Brad, had offered her a position after spotting her in a student computer lab, she thought he was crazy, but a background check confirmed everything he said. Now she wondered if her first intuition was correct. [expand full text]
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Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 06:45 • by eznme (unregistered)
Frist is 'deadline' in german

capture validus: so true.

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 06:46 • by Dogsworth
He couldn't have gotten a free word processor before that?

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 06:50 • by Pippo (unregistered)
Whats wrong with Notepad?

CAPTCHA: odio, oh well

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 06:57 • by Truckers delight (unregistered)
411914 in reply to 411912
Dogsworth:
He couldn't have gotten a free word processor before that?


Are you trying to ruin this shit_that_didn't_happen.txt with common sense?

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 06:58 • by HerrDerSchatten
This reminds me of my girlfriends new job. They have the best computers you can buy at apple - but they are too cheap to buy Office. Currently they are toying around with libre office and my Girlfriend burned a full day for a task, which had been 5 Minutes with MSO or the apple pendant. This time alone cost more than an MSO license for the whole firm...
Additionally: The CEO does not like windows because it is "too slow" - and then constantly points at the one PC at the office who runs Windows and constantly crashes.
My girlfriend examined the PC: Windows XP with no service pack, old as hell and on C:\ there are 500 Bytes of disk space free, while D:\ has 500Gb available...

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 07:02 • by Dhamp (unregistered)
...

So it was a physical version of every QMS over 3 months old?

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 07:03 • by anonymous_coder() (unregistered)
Ah, the 'big idea' business owners. Who are terrified that someone will steal their 'big idea' and leave them with nothing.

Worked for too many of them, and have the grey hairs, receding hairline, and ulcers to prove it.

Give me project managers, and QA, and development milestones, and HR, and a real office with computer desks and working A/C any day.

captcha: iusto, as in iusto work for people like this...

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 07:08 • by olaf (unregistered)
So whats wrong with Wordpad? The one supplied with Windows 7/8 covers most of Words most-used features anyway...

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 07:08 • by Bob (unregistered)
What are they going to do with Word specifically? Insert pictures of sticky notes on whiteboards?

If they're on Windows 8 then there's a lot of other (free!) platforms available much better suited to documentation.

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 07:11 • by DaveK
411920 in reply to 411919
Bob:
What are they going to do with Word specifically? Insert pictures of sticky notes on whiteboards?
Clearly they should move the sticky notes from the whiteboards to a wooden table.

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 07:16 • by Bob (unregistered)
Documentation in Word? I'd have fired her.

Also, is it Jason or Ross?

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 07:16 • by Balu (unregistered)
411922 in reply to 411915
HerrDerSchatten:
my Girlfriend burned a full day and now she's blaming LibreOffice for it


FTFY.

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 07:22 • by ubersoldat
Nothing better for work confidence than finding your manager/product owner/ceo crying in a corner for a bunch of post-its.

Would I be crazy to think this is how Peter Molyneux started?

Oh! And the name of the game is Duke Nukem Forever 2.

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 07:22 • by ObiWayneKenobi
The Real WTF here is taking the job without finding out what they are actually developing; asking some basic questions in the interview would have probably shown all the red flags.

Dev: "So tell me what you're developing? What kind of game?"

Clueless Moron Owner: Umm... well it has big guns in it. And lots of action!

Dev: So you have no idea at all? Thanks, but no thanks. Call me back when you actually have some clue what you're doing.

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 08:02 • by Anonymous Paranoiac (unregistered)
411925 in reply to 411924
ObiWayneKenobi:
The Real WTF here is taking the job without finding out what they are actually developing; asking some basic questions in the interview would have probably shown all the red flags.

Dev: "So tell me what you're developing? What kind of game?"

Clueless Moron Owner: Umm... well it has big guns in it. And lots of action!

Dev: So you have no idea at all? Thanks, but no thanks. Call me back when you actually have some clue what you're doing.


Probably went more like:
Wide-Eyed College Grad: You mean I can get in on the ground floor of the next Valve?

Clueless Moron Owner: That's right! In fact, we're currently working on the next blockbuster game title!

Wide-Eyed College Grad: Wow, that's amazing! Can you tell me more about it?

Clueless Moron Owner: Well, you know, with all the corporate espionage in this industry, I can't reveal too much (*whispers* We had a guy from UbiSoft snooping around here just last week...), but I *can* tell you, it will have big guns and lots of action!

Wide-Eyed College Grad: *gasp* When can I sign up??

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 08:04 • by M-x org-mode (unregistered)
I suppose that some anonymization was made and Word stays for more costly software.

To take notes one could use a simple editor, or a rater complex editor like emacs that has modes specifically made to take notes and to-do list. Emacs is free as speech and runs from almost any operating system.

Or, if tou're 2.0 and like sticky notes, there's Google Keep...

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 08:07 • by Mike (unregistered)
Say you update office every 3 years. That works out to about $0.50 a day per person that does documentation. If the documentation isn't worth that to you then it shouldn't be worth it to pay their salaries either.

To beat the same drum as everyone else: notepad, wordpad, LaTex, LibreOffice etc etc.

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 08:25 • by HerrDerSchatten
411930 in reply to 411922
Nope - she burned a day because Libre Office Impress cannot groupd shapes together, so that aligning them is a pain.
Also, it series printing function is crap.

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 08:26 • by eViLegion
411931 in reply to 411926
M-x org-mode:
I suppose that some anonymization was made and Word stays for more costly software.

To take notes one could use a simple editor, or a rater complex editor like emacs that has modes specifically made to take notes and to-do list. Emacs is free as speech and runs from almost any operating system.

Or, if tou're 2.0 and like sticky notes, there's Google Keep...


What?

Seriously?

What?

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 08:33 • by John (unregistered)
411932 in reply to 411930
HerrDerSchatten:
Libre Office Impress cannot groupd shapes together.

https://help.libreoffice.org/Impress/Modify#Group
Unless you actually meant "groupd", and that's some sort of grouping daemon that is somehow related to MS Office.

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 08:33 • by EvilSnack (unregistered)
We should define a string table for our comments. It could save us some typing.

STRINGTABLE
BEGIN
IDS_FRIST "FRIST!"
IDS_DISBELIEF_SUSPENDED "The following comment assumes this all really happened as we are being led to believe."
IDS_TDPHB "This looks just like another daily pointy-haired boss."
IDS_TYPICAL_STARTUP "Another brush with a half-assed start-up."
IDS_SPARTACUS "I'm %s!"
IDS_LIFE_OF_BRIAN "I'm %s, and so's my wife!"
END

MessageBox(IDS_DISBELIEF_SUSPENDED);
MessageBox(IDS_TYPICAL_STARTUP);

Captcha veniam: "Not the artery, but the veniam."

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 08:36 • by Billy T (unregistered)
Theres a little known editor that comes with all new Windows computers free of charge called Paint that allows you to put images, text even shapes into documents. Its hidden away in the accessories page of the start menu but it is on every Windows computer i have ever worked with. it took me a bit longer to master it than word or excel but now i am reaping the rewards.

like i said its absolutely free you dont need ms office to run it and it has its own text input box to write text. Unlike word and excel you can put text and images wherever you want on the page. there are literally no rules you can even make text overlap and draw freehand and the document can be expanded to whatever size you want. also unlike word documents even people with macbooks can open paint documents you email them. if you are beginner at IT I would say learn word and excel first (although excel is really optional depending on what kind of work you are doing, use the right tool for the right job)

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 08:36 • by English Man
Who is Jason?

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 08:38 • by Julia
When the owner, an old man named Brad, had offered her a position after spotting her in a student computer lab, she thought he was crazy


TRWTF - this. If they seem crazy even before you start working for them, you really think it's going to get better?

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 08:39 • by Billy T (unregistered)
411937 in reply to 411930
HerrDerSchatten:
Nope - she burned a day because Libre Office Impress cannot groupd shapes together, so that aligning them is a pain.
Also, it series printing function is crap.


has she tried microsoft paint? it has shapes and you can move things easily and print. not sure what you mean by grouping shapes together. do you mean something to do with the copy paste?

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 08:54 • by pjt33
411938 in reply to 411923
ubersoldat:
Would I be crazy to think this is how Peter Molyneux started?

Yes. He started exporting baked beans. There's a highly entertaining video where he talks about it somewhere (IGN?)

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 09:10 • by AnonCoward23 (unregistered)
I've been grouping shapes with LibreOffice back when it was still called StarOffice, in the 1990s.

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 09:24 • by HerrDerSchatten
411942 in reply to 411937
Paint whould even more time - did you never buld rather complex presentations?

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 09:38 • by C-Derb (unregistered)
Google Docs??

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 10:01 • by ¯\(°_o)/¯ I DUNNO LOL (unregistered)
411944 in reply to 411913
Pippo:
Whats wrong with Notepad?
Because you can't rearrange the pages without ripping them out first, silly! Also, they still won't stick to anything.

He should have upgraded to Cork Board and Push Pins. Now that's some cutting edge humidity-resistant technology!

No WTF here

2013-07-08 10:09 • by michael (unregistered)
I started for a very high-flying investment w^Hbank in 2008 working on one of their trading systems.
Me: "Oh, where is the documentation so I know what's going on?"
Colleague David:"Ah. Do you have an A4 sheet for me, so I can draw how it all hangs together".

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 10:13 • by RichE (unregistered)
I once worked for an engineering firm whose President (doctorate) ignored the white-boards and wrote his notes directly on the wall. They were moisture resistant, but edits would have required a drywall saw.

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 10:20 • by Matt (unregistered)
Let me guess--the money he had budgeted for Office went to cocaine instead?

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 10:23 • by trtrwtf (unregistered)
411948 in reply to 411921
Bob:
Documentation in Word? I'd have fired her.


Damn straight. If you need to generate customer-facing prettydocs, Flare works great. If you're doing internal-facing stuff, preserving institutional memory against the inevitable "Jim gets hired by a bus/hit by google" scenario, then often a well-curated wiki will be the best thing.

Using Word for documentation is indeed the real WTF

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 10:54 • by da Doctah
Didn't know what the title of the game was? Me either, but I'm guessing it's something like "Delude Yourself Into Believing That You're Actually Creating Something".

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 10:56 • by anotherusername
411950 in reply to 411948
trtrwtf:
Bob:
Documentation in Word? I'd have fired her.


Damn straight. If you need to generate customer-facing prettydocs, Flare works great. If you're doing internal-facing stuff, preserving institutional memory against the inevitable "Jim gets hired by a bus/hit by google" scenario, then often a well-curated wiki will be the best thing.

Using Word for documentation is indeed the real WTF
I'm going to play the devil's advocate here.

Anita was a developer. It wasn't her job to know what Flare is, or even how a wiki works, unless she was told "the documentation is in Flare/this wiki, here is how you access it". It was her job to read whatever form of documentation was provided and turn it into code.

Naturally, she would have picked up an idea of how it's supposed to be done if she worked at a properly-organized company for a while, but she was fresh out of college, so it's hardly fair to expect her to be the expert. She didn't know what documentation tools exist. All she knew was the Post-Its sucked.

If the boss man didn't have anyone who knew that his Post-Its are fucking retarded (and using Word would have been almost as bad), it's really his fault for not hiring that person. But, given his affinity for Post-Its even when told they were impossible, he probably didn't want to hire that person.

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 11:03 • by 3.3 Million (unregistered)
411951 in reply to 411947
I don't Brad was actually Tim Schaffer.

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 11:04 • by 3.3 Million (unregistered)
411952 in reply to 411947
Matt:
Let me guess--the money he had budgeted for Office went to cocaine instead?


3.3 Million:
I don't Brad was actually Tim Schaffer.


Meant to quote, not reply.

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 11:11 • by trtrwtf (unregistered)
411954 in reply to 411950
anotherusername:
I'm going to play the devil's advocate here.

Anita was a developer. It wasn't her job to know what Flare is, or even how a wiki works, unless she was told "the documentation is in Flare/this wiki, here is how you access it". It was her job to read whatever form of documentation was provided and turn it into code.


Okay, I'll buy that. Even Word would be better than the post-it system, that's true enough.

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 11:48 • by Dan (unregistered)
411955 in reply to 411950
anotherusername:
Anita was a developer. It wasn't her job to know what Flare is, or even how a wiki works, unless she was told "the documentation is in Flare/this wiki, here is how you access it". It was her job to read whatever form of documentation was provided and turn it into code.

I have 15 years experience as a software engineer and I don't know what Flare is. But I do know several wiki-like documentation systems. It most definitely is a developer's job to write documentation - especially technical documentation that has implementation specifics, but usually you have to assist some in writing the specification too (because the business team never has their shit together and doesn't know how to logically think through any scenario).

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 12:09 • by cellocgw
My guess: Brad is a former athlete who won a very important game with blood all over his sock.

(For those who can't guess, hint: BoSox; and his game company not only went bust but nearly dragged an entire state gov't down with it)

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 12:19 • by Resa (unregistered)
Come on. How do you code in Unity and not know what the game is doing? Why not use Open Office? I call bull!

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 12:42 • by Hot (unregistered)
So an old guy finds a female college student in a classroom/lab and takes her back to his garage? I'm pretty sure I've seen pr0n like that.

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 12:55 • by Mason Wheeler
411962 in reply to 411956
cellocgw:
My guess: Brad is a former athlete who won a very important game with blood all over his sock.

(For those who can't guess, hint: BoSox; and his game company not only went bust but nearly dragged an entire state gov't down with it)


A friend of mine was actually part of that. He's a veteran developer who'd been a lead at Blizzard for several years, and knows the game industry really well. I talked with him a while back about how that all went down, and to hear him talk, they were basically doing everything right, and the company ended up failing because the state investors screwed them over and they ended up not getting money that they'd been promised.

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 13:12 • by plaidfluff
Y'know, in the real world of game development, you usually don't even have a title until you're starting to show it off to the press. Sometimes at that point it's still just a working title, even. Knowing the title of a game doesn't really help with the development of it. You should be designing to a design doc, not to a title.

And yeah, if you have a problem with collaborative documentation management and decide to use Word, now you have two problems. Go with something DESIGNED for that, like a wiki. MediaWiki is pretty powerful and completely free.

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 13:16 • by herby
Of course the great solution I like is "cork board" and "push pins", as mentioned before. If you are REAL cheap, you can use the office wall (drywall) instead of the cork board. You do end up with a bunch of holes in the wall, but they are small, and can be easily filled for the next customer. As for the sticky notes, it is probably a good idea to at minimum put a date one each one.

Many low cost solutions.

p.s. Good AC maintenance is always a good idea.

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 13:18 • by Kuba
411966 in reply to 411963
plaidfluff:
And yeah, if you have a problem with collaborative documentation management and decide to use Word, now you have two problems. Go with something DESIGNED for that, like a wiki. MediaWiki is pretty powerful and completely free.
For all of its cloud-related shortcomings, even using a google docs spreadsheet would be a big win over both stickies and word.

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 13:27 • by radarbob (unregistered)
411967 in reply to 411914
Happens. One time, at band camop... well, one time at a certain FUBAR coding shop; coding tools were "whatever we can find on the internet." They did not even standardize that.

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 13:53 • by A flatus was just released. (unregistered)
411968 in reply to 411951
3.3 Million:
I don't Brad was actually Tim Schaffer.

I think you accidentally the whole thing.

Re: Documentation by Sticky Note

2013-07-08 14:18 • by Vlad Patryshev (unregistered)
Kanban board, right? Works in may companies these days.

Personally I have 7 stickers attached to my monitor; and I've been practicing it for years now, doing it even for my home remodeling projects.

As to MS Word, it sucks from the very beginning, does not it? Wiki, otoh, is a good solution.

But you know the advantage of yellow stickers? They stick until you are done, then you just throw them out. Pretty efficient, especially for personal use.
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