Comment On Routers, Routers, Everywhere

CommQuack hires like crazy. They hire in good times, they hire in bad times. They hire before, during, and after periods of massive layouts. Only one department was sheltered from the endless churn of hirings and layoffs — HR. For a company of ten thousand people, the fact that one thousand of them worked in HR should tell you something. [expand full text]
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Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 11:07 • by Steeldragon
Op:
The upshot of this is that this meant that if you were qualified but not referred by someone in HR, you didn't get hired. The upshot of this is that a lot of unqualified boobs got hired.

shouldnt that be downshot...and 1st finally
good story btw

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 11:13 • by Kernschatten (unregistered)
They're both downshots

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 11:14 • by zip (unregistered)
221766 in reply to 221765
Kernschatten:
They're both downshots


sarcasm is tricky!

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 11:16 • by Steeldragon
221767 in reply to 221765
Kernschatten:
They're both downshots
thats what i meant

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 11:19 • by DeLos
The Article:
They hire before, during, and after periods of massive layouts.


They must be a publishing company if they are doing such big layouts.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 11:20 • by gabba
Gotta respect CommQuack. Not every company has the expertise to interview a philosopher intelligently.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 11:22 • by tsr (unregistered)
I never really understood commissions, I mean on one hand it seems like a highly capilistic system, yet it always seems to fail in practice. What you end up with is people trying to get the "most" of anyting that's comissioned (sales, referrals whatever) instead of the best. Salary should be hte way to recruit and retain employees. Then if they aren't doing their job well, you fire them.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 11:24 • by Leak
221776 in reply to 221772
DeLos:
The Article:
They hire before, during, and after periods of massive layouts.

They must be a publishing company if they are doing such big layouts.

Almost exactly what I was thinking... or maybe it really should have said "massive playoffs"...

Also - Mr. Buttle? Or is that "Mr. Tuttle" with a flyspeck on it?

np: 808 State - Open Your Mind (Sound Garden Mix) (808 Archives Part II)

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 11:25 • by Mike Aukherts (unregistered)
221778 in reply to 221775
I mean on one hand it seems like a highly capilistic system

I don't think that word means what you think it means.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 11:32 • by NSCoder
221782 in reply to 221778
Mike Aukherts:
I mean on one hand it seems like a highly capilistic system

I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Do you mean to imply that it's a word, and means something, or are you being sarcastic?

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 11:33 • by sibtrag
221784 in reply to 221776
Leak:

Also - Mr. Buttle? Or is that "Mr. Tuttle" with a flyspeck on it?


I just thought that Mr. Buttle had been Mr. Assle before he was censored.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 11:36 • by HR (unregistered)
Qualcomm?

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 11:54 • by BobB
Had one person apply for an assistant admin job saying in their resume they had experience with MS2k and MS2k3 server tech. Upon coming in for the interview, we asked several questions (I thought the questions were very basic: You have to add new user Sally Mustang to the LawUsers user group on the local machine, how would you go about this?) but we kept getting either blank stares or for some odd reason references to the MS Office suite of software.

Before he left he gave us photocopies certifying his completion of the MS Word and MS Excel (2000 and 2003 versions) courses from the local VoTech. Suddenly things started making sense about the interview.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 11:54 • by jspenguin
221793 in reply to 221787
HR:
Qualcomm?


The first company I thought of was Comcast... I've heard horror stories from people dealing with them. I haven't dealt with them since they're not the cable provider around here.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 11:55 • by Chalito (unregistered)
221794 in reply to 221775

I never really understood commissions, I mean on one hand it seems like a highly capilistic system, yet it always seems to fail in practice. What you end up with is people trying to get the "most" of anyting that's comissioned (sales, referrals whatever) instead of the best.


Congratulations, you've just realised the main problem with capitalism :)

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 11:59 • by KenW
221795 in reply to 221794
Chalito:

I mean on one hand it seems like a highly capilistic system,


Congratulations, you've just realised the main problem with capitalism :)


What's that? Learning how to spell it correctly?

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 12:00 • by Reggie (unregistered)
221796 in reply to 221772
Maybe they make maps. These often require big layouts.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 12:04 • by RBoy (unregistered)
221797 in reply to 221794
Chalito:

I never really understood commissions, I mean on one hand it seems like a highly capilistic system, yet it always seems to fail in practice. What you end up with is people trying to get the "most" of anyting that's comissioned (sales, referrals whatever) instead of the best.


Congratulations, you've just realised the main problem with capitalism :)


I thought that it was the main problem with a capilistic society.

At the very least, I know that in capitalist system, it costs way too much for poor people to be able to afford their eros.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 12:08 • by JR (unregistered)
Wow, these people get exactly what they deserve - crap candidates and a high turnover rate. I don't see it could be any other way when you're hiring your candidates based on who can earn a commission for some greedy HR nobody. Damn I hate HR.

This was a nice collection of shorts, I'll have to remember to avoid "CommQuack" (nice anonymisation!).

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 12:13 • by Inigo Montoya (unregistered)
221803 in reply to 221782
NSCoder:
Mike Aukherts:
I mean on one hand it seems like a highly capilistic system

I don't think that word means what you think it means.
Do you mean to imply that it's a word, and means something, or are you being sarcastic?

You killed my joke. Prepare to die.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 12:25 • by pitchingchris
221808 in reply to 221763
They just neeed to deduct 5000 from the person referring unqualified people. With all rewards and no consequence, some people will have their whole family working there before long.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 12:34 • by SeekerDarksteel
221810 in reply to 221794
Chalito:

I never really understood commissions, I mean on one hand it seems like a highly capilistic system, yet it always seems to fail in practice. What you end up with is people trying to get the "most" of anyting that's comissioned (sales, referrals whatever) instead of the best.


Congratulations, you've just realised the main problem with improperly executed capitalism :)


FTFY.

In a properly functioning capitalist system, producers are rewarded for producing the highest quality product for the lowest cost by selling an increased volume of product. The problem in the commission system described in this story is that it fails to reward quality properly. This is a fault in the commission system, rather than the idea of capitalism.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 12:42 • by notme (unregistered)
221813 in reply to 221794
Chalito:

I never really understood commissions, I mean on one hand it seems like a highly capilistic system, yet it always seems to fail in practice. What you end up with is people trying to get the "most" of anyting that's comissioned (sales, referrals whatever) instead of the best.


Congratulations, you've just realised the main problem with capitalism :)


No, he didn't. There are some inherent problems with capitalism, but this is just "capitalism done wrong".

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 12:45 • by themagni
221814 in reply to 221776
Leak:


Also - Mr. Buttle? Or is that "Mr. Tuttle" with a flyspeck on it?


His real name is Mr. Assle.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 12:48 • by Yep (unregistered)
Clbuttic.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 12:49 • by Glazius (unregistered)
So HR was practicing Kant's Categorial Hiring Imperative, then: act as though the person you would hire for some job could be hired for any job.

There's a reason why Kant didn't last long in HR.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 12:57 • by immitto (unregistered)
221820 in reply to 221775
tsr:
I never really understood commissions, I mean on one hand it seems like a highly capilistic system

So what capital (means of production) do the people getting the commissions have?

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 13:03 • by Frenchier than thou (unregistered)
221821 in reply to 221820
immitto:
tsr:
I never really understood commissions, I mean on one hand it seems like a highly capilistic system

So what capital (means of production) do the people getting the commissions have?

Whatever they pull the candidates out of....

Collude. It's the best way to make a profit.

2008-10-08 13:04 • by Benanov
If I were on the interviewing team, I'd collude with an HR rep at that company. Go in for some very attractive split (say,80/20 in their favor) for that $5000 referral fee.

The referral doesn't go to me, it's put under the HR rep. Their incentive is that I hire the person citing some obscure resume line item that actually looks attractive--but we know that the hiree is actually no good. When it "doesn't pan out," we let the new employee go a few months later when it's clear they lied.

Collect $1000, repeat every 3-4 months.

Since every other HR person is making sure there's some name on the referral, it won't be too obvious if you spread it out enough.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 13:09 • by Addison (unregistered)
221823 in reply to 221814
themagni:
Leak:


Also - Mr. Buttle? Or is that "Mr. Tuttle" with a flyspeck on it?


His real name is Mr. Assle.


I am at work. STOP MAKING ME LAUGH.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 13:24 • by spejic (unregistered)
221826 in reply to 221818
Glazius :
So HR was practicing Kant's Categorial Hiring Imperative, then: act as though the person you would hire for some job could be hired for any job.

There's a reason why Kant didn't last long in HR.
Dude, your comment is, like, ok an all, but it would be soooooo much more rockin' on a Mac. I mean, like, ROCKIN'!

I hope that wasn't to technical for you, bro.

Congratulations, you just figured out large HR departments

2008-10-08 13:32 • by Glow-in-the-dark (unregistered)
221827 in reply to 221822
Benanov:
If I were on the interviewing team, I'd collude with an HR rep at that company. Go in for some very attractive split (say,80/20 in their favor) for that $5000 referral fee.

The referral doesn't go to me, it's put under the HR rep. Their incentive is that I hire the person citing some obscure resume line item that actually looks attractive--but we know that the hiree is actually no good. When it "doesn't pan out," we let the new employee go a few months later when it's clear they lied.

Collect $1000, repeat every 3-4 months.

Since every other HR person is making sure there's some name on the referral, it won't be too obvious if you spread it out enough.


OK, now do tell: do you think you have discovered something new here, or do you think you have just unearthed why a lot of the larger companies employ crap staff?

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 13:32 • by Technical Thug
221828 in reply to 221787
HR:
Qualcomm?
No, dummy, the story explicitly said "CommQuack."

Jeeze!

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 13:32 • by Dazed (unregistered)
Another gentleman's résumé was two pages long.

A couple of years ago we needed someone who was fairly experienced for a consultancy position. One of the CV's submitted was indeed just two pages long, with everything described so briefly that one really couldn't tell what he'd done. But another one was - wait for it - forty-eight pages long! It's the only time I've rejected a candidate without reading his CV.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 13:51 • by realmerlyn
even right clicking (take that, Mac applicant)


Hey, stop dissing on the Mac, using your decade-old view of what a Mac does. OS9 and OS X have had completely integrated support for multi-button mice from the beginning. Be nice.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 13:54 • by Bob (unregistered)
Was it Mr. Buttle, in the server room with the candlestick er... I mean mouse?

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 13:56 • by Pedantic (unregistered)
TFA:
Each referred employee that turned into a hire netted the referrer a cool $5,000.00.


TRWTF is that someone keeps referring employees to be hired when they presumably already work there.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 14:05 • by 5|i(3_x (unregistered)
221839 in reply to 221810
SeekerDarksteel:
Chalito:

I never really understood commissions, I mean on one hand it seems like a highly capilistic system, yet it always seems to fail in practice. What you end up with is people trying to get the "most" of anyting that's comissioned (sales, referrals whatever) instead of the best.


Congratulations, you've just realised the main problem with improperly executed capitalism :)


FTFY.

In a properly functioning capitalist system, producers are rewarded for producing the highest quality product for the lowest cost by selling an increased volume of product. The problem in the commission system described in this story is that it fails to reward quality properly. This is a fault in the commission system, rather than the idea of capitalism.


+1

There is still a profit motive for the company as a whole to waste as little time as possible in the hiring process. A shrewd executive would realize this and adjust the compensation process accordingly. All else being equal, this company is going to be punished by the market until they figure things out. That's not to say that they won't prosper--they employ Grig afterall... Just not as much as they could with sane hiring practices.

And if they never have a shrewd exec at the helm, it's all the easier for them to be surpassed in the market by somebody with a little competency.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 14:07 • by Vizzini (unregistered)
221840 in reply to 221778
Mike Aukherts:
I mean on one hand it seems like a highly capilistic system

I don't think that word means what you think it means.


Inconceivable!

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 14:37 • by jordanwb
221850 in reply to 221835
realmerlyn:
even right clicking (take that, Mac applicant)


Hey, stop dissing on the Mac, using your decade-old view of what a Mac does. OS9 and OS X have had completely integrated support for multi-button mice from the beginning. Be nice.


Certainly took them long enough. Windows had multibutton mouses in Windows 3.1 (possibly earlier)

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 14:47 • by Kiss me I'm Polish
221852 in reply to 221850
jordanwb:
realmerlyn:
even right clicking (take that, Mac applicant)


Hey, stop dissing on the Mac, using your decade-old view of what a Mac does. OS9 and OS X have had completely integrated support for multi-button mice from the beginning. Be nice.


Certainly took them long enough. Windows had multibutton mouses in Windows 3.1 (possibly earlier)

Using an Apple notebook, where you get to use only one button and not even a touchpad tapping to simulate clicks, I always feel like somebody just cut my fingers. I've just recently discovered they had some cryptic multitouch, which involves putting your TWO hands on the touchpad.
I'm sorry, it's difficult to be nice ;,(

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 15:20 • by Vechni
221859 in reply to 221813
notme:
Chalito:

I never really understood commissions, I mean on one hand it seems like a highly capilistic system, yet it always seems to fail in practice. What you end up with is people trying to get the "most" of anyting that's comissioned (sales, referrals whatever) instead of the best.


Congratulations, you've just realised the main problem with capitalism :)


No, he didn't. There are some inherent problems with capitalism, but this is just "capitalism done wrong".


Which is what our civilized world has currently.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 15:29 • by Spectere
221863 in reply to 221852
Kiss me I'm Polish:
Using an Apple notebook, where you get to use only one button and not even a touchpad tapping to simulate clicks, I always feel like somebody just cut my fingers. I've just recently discovered they had some cryptic multitouch, which involves putting your TWO hands on the touchpad.
I'm sorry, it's difficult to be nice ;,(

Oh, that's okay. You could always try using the Mighty Mouse, where the simple act of clicking while your middle finger is resting surface of the mouse counts as a right-click. I'm sorry, Apple, but I doubt I'd be able to give up my 18-year-long habit of resting my fingers on the mouse while I work just to suit a silly gimmick like touch-sensitive "buttons."

Apple's still all about the single-button mouse, but at least OS X finally supports higher-end mice. Actually, it might even support them a little too well in some ways. Let's just say, I hope that they finally fixed that thing with Exposé (and possibly other features, I don't really know) that allows you to bind a certain function to one of 64 mouse buttons. Yikes.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 15:32 • by Smash King
221865 in reply to 221852
Kiss me I'm Polish:
jordanwb:
Certainly took them long enough. Windows had multibutton mouses in Windows 3.1 (possibly earlier)

Using an Apple notebook, where you get to use only one button and not even a touchpad tapping to simulate clicks, I always feel like somebody just cut my fingers. I've just recently discovered they had some cryptic multitouch, which involves putting your TWO hands on the touchpad.
I'm sorry, it's difficult to be nice ;,(
I don't know why you all are bashing Mac's lack of a second button. I even heard they thought of adding support to a console joystick long before any other system.



Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 15:33 • by Jimbob (unregistered)
221866 in reply to 221852
Kiss me I'm Polish :
Using an Apple notebook, where you get to use only one button and not even a touchpad tapping to simulate clicks, I always feel like somebody just cut my fingers. I've just recently discovered they had some cryptic multitouch, which involves putting your TWO hands on the touchpad.


MacBooks have had tap-to-click for a long time and the new MacBooks come with mulit-touch which allows the following:

1) Place two fingers on the touchpad & click the button - right click.
2) Tap two fingers on the touchpad - also right click.
3) Place two fingers on the touchpad & drag - scroll in any direction.

While this isn't as good as a 2+ button mouse this is far better than any other touchpad on the market. Whenever I switch to a different laptop it takes me 5-10mins to get used to the crude touchpad.

BTW - I'm not a Mac fanboi but I do credit them when they deserve it.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 15:44 • by BottomCod3r (unregistered)

At my company, we make sure to hire competent engeneers by using a process with no less than 12 interviews. Sometimes, they would do multiple interviews the same day with a math test in the end of the day.

PS: I am a TopCod3r biggest fan !

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 15:47 • by bloodclot
I'd really be interested in knowing where the author of this story got it from. I actually work with the "Grig L" referred to in the story and he states that this entire story is rather embellished and some is wholly untrue.

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 15:51 • by ohnoes! (unregistered)
221870 in reply to 221869
but i read it on the interwebs,
they must be (TRUE)!

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 16:08 • by Mr. Cisco (unregistered)
Sounds like another company I know (Cisco)

Re: Routers, Routers, Everywhere

2008-10-08 16:13 • by Jay (unregistered)
221875 in reply to 221774
gabba:
Gotta respect CommQuack. Not every company has the expertise to interview a philosopher intelligently.


True. My company once hired a philosophy major to be a software engineer after an inadequate interview, only later to discover that he was completely unable to implement Anselm's Ontological Argument in Java.
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