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The Missing Interview (from Charles Ross) I went for an interview to work as a junior IT support Engineer at a certain Royal bank here in Scotland. It was a late interview, around 4:45 in the afternoon, and I turned up at 4:30, sharply dressed, and with all the documents I'd been requested to bring. Since this was a bank and security was a must, I had a full five year history sitting in front of me. [expand full text]
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Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 09:10 • by schmitter (unregistered)
Kevin would like to print this comment in Java.

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 09:10 • by nnn (unregistered)
firstfirst

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 09:11 • by monkeyPushButton (unregistered)
298489 in reply to 298488
nnn:
firstfirst
not like Kevin

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 09:12 • by Ian (unregistered)
Java has everything you'd ever need to do built into it by design. Just say "the _____ API" and you'll be right every time!

Kinda quick

2010-02-09 09:14 • by st0815 (unregistered)
So you were supposed to be interviewed at 4:45 and at 4:55 you decided the job wasn't worth waiting for any more? The job market must be brilliant in the UK ...

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 09:16 • by frits
ifth!

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 09:17 • by Sparky the IT Clown (unregistered)
So what's the Java API for posting comments?

CAPTCHA: verto, when you get dizzy only halfway

Re: Kinda quick

2010-02-09 09:17 • by sd (unregistered)
298495 in reply to 298492
st0815:
So you were supposed to be interviewed at 4:45 and at 4:55 you decided the job wasn't worth waiting for any more? The job market must be brilliant in the UK ...


Gotta agree with this. It probably took you longer to get ready and get there than you waited.

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 09:18 • by AndrewB (unregistered)
??? I'm sorry, I don't understand what TheDailyWTF is driving at with this article. Also it took too long to read.

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 09:19 • by Kevin (unregistered)
Jeanne is clearly not like me. I'm awesome after all.

Re: Kinda quick

2010-02-09 09:30 • by Phill
298498 in reply to 298492
st0815:
So you were supposed to be interviewed at 4:45 and at 4:55 you decided the job wasn't worth waiting for any more? The job market must be brilliant in the UK ...


Thankfully the job market is pretty good over here. Well, at least good enough that you don't have to beg and be grateful for any job that comes along.
A job interview is not just to see if you are sufficiently awesome and lucky that someone wants to give you a job. It's also about seeing whether the company is a good fit for you.
I'm pretty sure I don't want to work somewhere where my boss managed to forget about an interview and I was left sitting in a room by myself for 20 minutes.
It may be an honest mistake but, in my experience, those kind of companies tend to have no documented requirements, awful code, barely implemented source control, and an unpleasant work culture.

Re: Kinda quick

2010-02-09 09:32 • by Anonymous (unregistered)
298500 in reply to 298492
st0815:
So you were supposed to be interviewed at 4:45 and at 4:55 you decided the job wasn't worth waiting for any more? The job market must be brilliant in the UK ...


The article doesn't say anything about being unwilling to wait, just that he “went hunting for someone.” In the case of a misread, it's the receptionist getting ready to leave, not the protagonist.

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 09:35 • by Zecc
I'm not like Kevin, but I bet I'm pretty good at writing bugs.

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 09:41 • by Philipp (unregistered)
I love the Infantile Expectancies story. I think the correct behavior in such a case would be to poll the guy at least once a week until either of you die if he has already become rich with his brilliant company.

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 10:01 • by Anon (unregistered)
298505 in reply to 298497
Kevin:
Jeanne is clearly not like me. I'm awesome after all.


I know Kevin, I've worked with Kevin, and you sir, are no Kevin.

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 10:04 • by Anon (unregistered)
Wow! That last reply in Infantile Expectancies even made me angry and it wasn't even directed at me. If I was Roger, I would definitely follow up after a few months to ask them how it's going (but to mainly call the CEO an asshole).

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 10:05 • by savar
Wow, equity in a worthless company. Gee, thanks, but actually, could you just pay me in toilet paper instead?

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 10:10 • by silent d (unregistered)
The "someone like Kevin" story makes me think of what I call the Good Ole Bob syndrome in help wanted ads. I think everyone will recognize the kind of ads I'm talking about. Good Ole Bob worked for the company for 10, 15, 20 years or more. Good Ole Bob had extensive knowledge of the company's systems, business processes, and data. Now Good Ole Bob has retired or otherwise left the company. HR decides to replace Bob by placing an ad listing all of the things that Bob did. The problem is, its not likely they will find one person that can fill that role. At least, not the way that Good Ole Bob did it.

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 10:10 • by Ramses So let it be written so let it be done (unregistered)
298509 in reply to 298507
savar:
Wow, equity in a worthless company. Gee, thanks, but actually, could you just pay me in toilet paper instead?


Hey, toilet paper in some places is a luxury and worth a lot of money.

Re: Kinda quick

2010-02-09 10:10 • by Paula B. (unregistered)
298510 in reply to 298492
st0815:
The job market must be brillant in the UK ...


FTFY

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 10:12 • by Zylon
If I'd been forced to wait ive minutes, I probably would have walked out too!

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 10:18 • by @Deprecated (unregistered)
298513 in reply to 298503
Philipp:
I love the Infantile Expectancies story. I think the correct behavior in such a case would be to poll the guy at least once a week until either of you die if he has already become rich with his brilliant company.


Needs something more...

If the company is already advertising, it would be loads of fun to ask them more about the provided services, string them along, and then finally reply with "why the %$#@ would I pay for this when it's already available for free, at translate.google.com ?

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 10:20 • by AnonCoward23 (unregistered)
That article is for too medicore for me.

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 10:21 • by FeepingCreature (unregistered)
To be fair, if you were asking me how to print with Java I'd be equally stumped - I'd assume you were asking about specifics of how to generate rich text for printing, what formats the API supports, text layout etc. An answer as trivial as "the printing API" would never come to mind.

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 10:23 • by FeepingCreature (unregistered)
To be fair, if you'd ask me "how to print with Java" I'd be equally stumped. I'd assume you were asking me what specific classes to use, how to format text for printer output, that kind of thing. Stuff that'd be clear with a few minutes of googling; but I couldn't answer that off the top of my head. An answer as trivial as "the printing API" would never even occur to me.

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 10:24 • by FeepingCreature (unregistered)
298517 in reply to 298516
Admins; kindly remove the double comment - for some reason, submitting a comment seems to take me back to the comments form, so I'd assumed I'd hit the wrong button. (Konqueror/3.5.9)

What is up with that anyway?

Re: Kinda quick

2010-02-09 10:25 • by Adriano
298518 in reply to 298495
sd:
st0815:
So you were supposed to be interviewed at 4:45 and at 4:55 you decided the job wasn't worth waiting for any more? The job market must be brilliant in the UK ...


Gotta agree with this. It probably took you longer to get ready and get there than you waited.


It does sound like that. Unless the receptionist (who was leaving, remember) meant that the interviewer had already left too. Perhaps that's what the interviewee meant by the words 'oh dear, she forgot about you'.

Otherwise, 10 minutes are still barely in my margin of politeness.

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 10:41 • by frits
298519 in reply to 298517
FeepingCreature:
Admins; kindly remove the double comment - for some reason, submitting a comment seems to take me back to the comments form, so I'd assumed I'd hit the wrong button. (Konqueror/3.5.9)

What is up with that anyway?


It's a feature. They provide you with a WTF even if the daily article doesn't have one.

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 10:44 • by Annoyed with RBS (unregistered)
298520 in reply to 298487
RBS (Royal Bank of Scotland) are that useless and inefficient that this particular story re. the interview doesn't surprise me. I've often done business with them and failed to get any sort of response or reply without bullying and chasing.

They deserve to be in the terrible shape they're now in, it's comeuppance.

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 10:49 • by CiH (unregistered)
Coding Java is difficult, WHEN YOU'RE LIVING IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 10:54 • by lolwtf
298522 in reply to 298511
Zylon:
If I'd been forced to wait ive minutes, I probably would have walked out too!
Math fail.

Re: Kinda quick

2010-02-09 11:00 • by ceiswyn (unregistered)
298523 in reply to 298492
So you were supposed to be interviewed at 4:45 and at 4:55 you decided the job wasn't worth waiting for any more?


Well... no. No he didn't. At 4:55 he went looking for someone to find out why the interview was running late. And if you think that's an unreasonable thing to do, I wish you luck of being trapped in a bank after all the staff have forgotten about you, left and locked up :)

Having ascertained that a) your interviewer has completely forgotten about you and b) that the forms you've just been given to fill in are exactly the ones you should least be allowed to see, the question becomes more how desperate you'd have to be to still want that job!

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 11:05 • by anon (unregistered)
298524 in reply to 298516
FeepingCreature:
To be fair, if you'd ask me "how to print with Java" I'd be equally stumped. I'd assume you were asking me what specific classes to use, how to format text for printer output, that kind of thing. Stuff that'd be clear with a few minutes of googling; but I couldn't answer that off the top of my head. An answer as trivial as "the printing API" would never even occur to me.


But at least you would have said *something*. Even if you don't know exactly what the interviewer is looking for, a smart person can start a dialog about it. Staring blankly definitely would not be the right answer.

Re: Kinda quick

2010-02-09 11:10 • by Centricity (unregistered)
298525 in reply to 298523
Aside from the part where the receptionist gave him his own evaluation form, it might well have been a test. Yeah, "Leave him in a room for an hour and see how he acts" is something from a bad movie, but it can be useful to see if a candidate reacts when unsupervised. Does he/she take the initiative and go find someone, fall asleep, start texting friends on a cell phone? If they'll do it during an interview, they'll do it during work.

They blew it when they gave him the eval form, though.

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 11:15 • by Patrick (unregistered)
Given that last email to Roger, I would reply with "You are wrong and you will fail. Your last message describes yourself. Bye."

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 11:17 • by iToad (unregistered)
The Infantile Expectancies CEO is wasting his time in his current position. A big thinker with a total disregard for reality is more suited for politics - or investment banking.

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 11:30 • by ObiWayneKenobi
I would wager that the "CEO" in the Infantile Expectancies story was probably some college kid who thought he had a brilliant (or brillant, as it were) idea and figured that he could hoodwink someone into working for free, and then take all the profits.

Notice the language he uses in his correspondence: a lot of big, impressive sounding words, and often using two or three words where one would suffice. Real businesspeople don't talk like that, it's the crooks and idiots who do as a cover for the fact they don't know shit.

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 11:33 • by forgottenlord (unregistered)
298530 in reply to 298524
anon:
FeepingCreature:
To be fair, if you'd ask me "how to print with Java" I'd be equally stumped. I'd assume you were asking me what specific classes to use, how to format text for printer output, that kind of thing. Stuff that'd be clear with a few minutes of googling; but I couldn't answer that off the top of my head. An answer as trivial as "the printing API" would never even occur to me.


But at least you would have said *something*. Even if you don't know exactly what the interviewer is looking for, a smart person can start a dialog about it. Staring blankly definitely would not be the right answer.


Yeah, like, "I'm not quite sure the exact methods, but I plan to Google for 'the Printing API' to find them"

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 11:36 • by Gerald the Traveller (unregistered)
298531 in reply to 298521
"Coding Java is difficult, WHEN YOU'RE LIVING IN A VAN DOWN BY THE RIVER!"

Oi! I resemble that comment! (I used to live in a truck, by the river Trent, and work as a coder for a flight simulator graphics engine company.

Happy days :)

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 11:41 • by Stephen (unregistered)
What is it about CEO's that makes them so stupid?

The last start up I worked for, the CEO had this mentality that he shouldn't have to pay me. So, he in fact stopped paying me and insisted that I'd be well taken care of when the company took off.

Meanwhile, he was spending company (investor) money on personal items and a vacation for himself. I was young and stupid, so I stayed around and didn't get paid for 6 months.

Then he was ticked at me for leaving...

Last I heard there's some tax fraud case going on with him, as he decided he shouldn't have to pay taxes either. I got a call from an investigator, who told me that the CEO was claiming he didn't have any employees for that year, and made no sales.

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 11:49 • by moo (unregistered)
"Sufficed to say" -- what? Those words (is that even a word?) don't make any sense. I think you meant "suffice it to say", which, believe it or not, isn't just a series of sounds you can make with your mouth, but an actual set of words with meaning! Specifically, it means "it should be enough to say...", implying that you're understating your point. Suffice it to say, you should know that.

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 11:50 • by Danny V (unregistered)
Roger, the CEO in the Infantile Expectancies story wasn't looking for a guy like you. He wanted a guy that would get the job done without complaining. With superhuman programming abilities. With incredible amounts of charisma.

He wasn't looking for you Roger Garrett. He was looking for Kevin.

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 11:52 • by VRAndy
'Charles Ross' should have been more modest. Clearly whoever processed the interview forms was worried that he'd take their job.

Re: Kinda quick

2010-02-09 11:54 • by Vance (unregistered)
298536 in reply to 298498
Most companies close at 5 P.M. in England: that's why pubs are full at 6 P.M. and you can't find a good dinner after 9 P.M.

Re: Kinda quick

2010-02-09 11:57 • by Someone too lazy to login and at work (unregistered)
298537 in reply to 298492
st0815:
So you were supposed to be interviewed at 4:45 and at 4:55 you decided the job wasn't worth waiting for any more? The job market must be brilliant in the UK ...


Given the response of the receptionist, my guess was that the manager had already left.

Also, the protagonist wasn't leaving, they just went to find someone to find out why they'd been sat around for 20 minutes - in my experience even if you turn up early someone will stick their head around to make sure you're still OK or offer you a drink.

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 11:59 • by Someone too lazy to login and at work (unregistered)
298538 in reply to 298509
Ramses So let it be written so let it be done:
savar:
Wow, equity in a worthless company. Gee, thanks, but actually, could you just pay me in toilet paper instead?


Hey, toilet paper in some places is a luxury and worth a lot of money.


I believe their point was that toilet paper would actually be more useful than equity in a worthless company.

Re: Kinda quick

2010-02-09 11:59 • by aristos_achaion (unregistered)
298539 in reply to 298492
st0815:
So you were supposed to be interviewed at 4:45 and at 4:55 you decided the job wasn't worth waiting for any more? The job market must be brilliant in the UK ...


The normal work day is 9 to 5. If nobody had come to see me at 4:55, I'd be worried too...not because I wanted to leave, but because I'd be afraid my interviewer had left. He didn't just walk out, he went to look for somebody, in case they'd forgotten he was there.

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 12:01 • by VRAndy
298540 in reply to 298516
To be fair, if you'd ask me "how to print with Java" I'd be equally stumped.[...]

Ok, but to be MORE fair, the candidate should have already implemented this feature in his pre-interview programming test. He was being given a second change with this option to answer verbally during the interview.

We can debate about the usefulness of programming tests, but if someone hands one in unfinished, without so much as an acknowledgment that it's unfinished, then he's lucky to get an interview.

Re: The Missing Interview, Infantile Expectancies, & More

2010-02-09 12:03 • by aristos_achaion (unregistered)
298541 in reply to 298530
forgottenlord:
anon:
FeepingCreature:
To be fair, if you'd ask me "how to print with Java" I'd be equally stumped. I'd assume you were asking me what specific classes to use, how to format text for printer output, that kind of thing. Stuff that'd be clear with a few minutes of googling; but I couldn't answer that off the top of my head. An answer as trivial as "the printing API" would never even occur to me.


But at least you would have said *something*. Even if you don't know exactly what the interviewer is looking for, a smart person can start a dialog about it. Staring blankly definitely would not be the right answer.


Yeah, like, "I'm not quite sure the exact methods, but I plan to Google for 'the Printing API' to find them"


Honestly, probably even a misguided or incorrect attempt at an answer would've been better...who wants to hire somebody who just shuts down and stares blankly when presented with a problem he doesn't know how to solve?

Re: Kinda quick

2010-02-09 12:04 • by Someone too lazy to login and at work (unregistered)
298542 in reply to 298536
Vance:
Most companies close at 5 P.M. in England: that's why pubs are full at 6 P.M. and you can't find a good dinner after 9 P.M.


Mine finishes at 5:30pm, at 6pm I'm somewhere on the hell that is the London Underground and by 9pm I might actually be home, assuming the trains aren't entirely fucked.

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