Comment On The Picker Stampede

Craig Landrum grimaced, sucking air through his teeth, clenching his fists, and tightly shutting his eyes. It wasn’t so much the 300-pound robot that was stampeding full-speed towards him while rotating its menacing gripper arm, but more The Admiral, who was wide-eyed with fear and instinctually reaching for his sidearm. Cha-cha-cha-chunk. Craig peeked through his left eyelid to see that the robot had halted on its track, not less than two feet from them, and nearly tipped over before zipping away in the opposite direction. Needless to say, the demo didn’t go so well. [expand full text]
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Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 09:07 • by You're a liar (unregistered)
THis has to be bullshit.

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 09:07 • by Nelle
this sounds like a story from i robot

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 09:16 • by bored (unregistered)
I get visions of Bender drunk trying to take over a planet but cursing at it.

captcha: tego - "Where did tego?"

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 09:19 • by pitchingchris
285777 in reply to 285774
Two issues I see that violated fundamentals (assuming the story is somewhat true) :

There was never an emergency stop from the beginning, you always need a manual hardware stop, when dealing with moving equipment. Always !

The equipment was not properly grounded.

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 09:19 • by SR (unregistered)
285778 in reply to 285774
You're a liar:
THis has to be bullshit.


Depends on the flooring. I used to wear big-assed boots to work (army boots, Dr Martens, etc.) and I'd be forever getting shocks.

PS I for one welcome our microfiche-sorting robo overlords.

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 09:20 • by Schmitter (unregistered)
It is a software issue, no a hardware issue, no a software issue, no a hardware issue....

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 09:27 • by Anonymouse (unregistered)
285782 in reply to 285776
bored:
I get visions of Bender drunk trying to take over a planet but cursing at it.


You mean Bender NOT drunk, right?

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 09:31 • by Nat Pagle (unregistered)
Obviously, anglin' for a fiche story.

The biggest lies are fiche stories.

Not enough beer, though.

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 09:38 • by vhn (unregistered)
TRWTF is using Intel right?

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 09:44 • by ctardi (unregistered)
If the robot really did run on steel rails, how was it an issue that it came towards the window at high speed? It's on rails, it won't hit the window...


Note from Alex: Most of us flinch when large, menacing things are coming towards us fast... even if they're behind "unbreakable" glass. Or, even on a TV screen.

BS2

2009-09-22 09:47 • by TGV
I call BS2. Why would the robot stop and return in the other direction if it had been fritzed? Why would they always go in the same direction (i.e. towards the visitors)? How did the Feynman on Lektriever discover this? Too good to be true.


Note from Alex: Because it was on a track? The same reason run-away trains don't crash into your house

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 09:47 • by Ben (unregistered)
285789 in reply to 285787
ctardi:
If the robot really did run on steel rails, how was it an issue that it came towards the window at high speed? It's on rails, it won't hit the window...

If it goes fast enough, it will fall off of the end of the track and go through the window.

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 09:52 • by Anon Ymous (unregistered)
285792 in reply to 285780
Schmitter:
It is a software issue, no a hardware issue, no a software issue, no a hardware issue....


No, a footwear issue

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 09:54 • by MC (unregistered)
285794 in reply to 285784
Nat Pagle:
Obviously, anglin' for a fiche story.


What kind of a fiche story was that? Where was the big one that got away?

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 09:58 • by Bosshog (unregistered)
Someone probably used the KAH opcode.

KAH - Kill All Humans
Processor will push the status of the flags to the stack, and will then attempt to kill all humans.

This works much like 'Kill Some Humans' [KSH] but there is no way to set a maximum bodycount. Instead, with KAH, the immediate operand and ALU contents are ignored.

Note: on the second edition of this CPU, this opcode can be masked by pulling low the "/safe" pin, and this is the recommended usage.

Re: BS2

2009-09-22 09:58 • by Anonymous Coward (unregistered)
285796 in reply to 285788
TGV:
I call BS2. Why would the robot stop and return in the other direction if it had been fritzed? Why would they always go in the same direction (i.e. towards the visitors)? How did the Feynman on Lektriever discover this? Too good to be true.


Why wouldn't it stop and return? The movement commands might be overridden by hardcoded limits, so that the robot couldn't execute a command to move to next town.

And did they always go in the same direction? I didn't get that impression. If the robot has 2 directions it can go to, what's the propability it will charge towards the visitors on random carbage commands?

Even further, if the robots stopped and returned charging to the other direction, what's the propability they'll charge towards the visitors, when there are only 2 directions?

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 10:02 • by Rootbeer

I used to retrieve and file microfiche in the reference section of a library in a previous job. A good portion of the time spent on that task was using a fingernail to pry apart two or more microfiche sheets that were adhering to each other; the film was rather susceptible to static cling. (Ideally each sheet would be kept in its own tyvek sleeve, a la your collection of 5.25" floppies, but the sleeves were usually in short supply.)

My point is, if the fiche robots had a vulnerability to static discharge, it should have been apparent long before the top brass arrived to make a spark.

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 10:13 • by pjt33
285800 in reply to 285792
Anon Ymous:
Schmitter:
It is a software issue, no a hardware issue, no a software issue, no a hardware issue....


No, a footwear issue

Since sneakers were fine and leather boots weren't, I think it's a firmware issue.

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 10:17 • by Anomynous Coward (unregistered)
The "people wearing different clothes causes intermittent hardware bugs" part is entirely plausible- the example given in my debugging book was the tester wearing a plaid shirt overloading a video compression algorithm.

A small static discharge from someone's shoes causing a microcontroller-driven robot to go insane is less plausible, though- surely a large metal-bodied robot would be grounded in case of wiring faults to avoid the entire case becoming electrified? Also, if the robot is behind glass, how do the electrified brass touch it? Or if they are close enough to touch the actual robot, what the hell are they doing standing on the rails?

I suspect this may be a slight embellishment (for unknown value of "slight") on "static discharge from shoes caused a robot to misbehave causing much scratching of heads" story.

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 10:18 • by SR (unregistered)
Design Pattern:
I call BS.

Googling up "fichetrieve" retrieves only two results:
One is thedailywtf.com itself.
The other is a copy of the DailyWTF - story on a swedish news-aggregator.


You'll get similar results with Herizon and Yooha. Made up names = fewer lawsuits.

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 10:21 • by dtobias
Which of the Three Laws of Robotics are involved here?

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 10:21 • by Junkie
This story reminds me of where I used to work. We had mail carrier robots that followed a series of invisible lines in the carpet. If you were unfortunate enough to leave something in the path of these 1/2 ton menaces, kiss it goodbye.
When the robots were brought on-line, the company let go several union workers who had delivered mail prior to the new system. As you can imagine, union workers weren't happy about it. One of the union janitors found a container of the solution used to mark the lines and decided that all of the robots needed to be rerouted into the executive boardroom.

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 10:28 • by Oxin (unregistered)
285808 in reply to 285782
Anonymouse:
bored:
I get visions of Bender drunk trying to take over a planet but cursing at it.


You mean Bender NOT drunk, right?


Bender! You're blind stinking sober!

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 10:32 • by Opcode Designer (unregistered)
285810 in reply to 285795
LOL. I almost peed my pants. I love the way the flags are lovingly saved on the stack.

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 10:35 • by Lars Vargas
It had nothing to do with static discharge.

The robots clearly were sentient, and having detected brass in the room, were following protocol and racing up to the glass to salute the admirals and other VIPs. The lack of proper hands for saluting made them appear menacing. And being good robots, as soon as they raced up to the glass to "salute", they went back to work.

If these robots had noses, they would be brown.

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 10:40 • by noone (unregistered)
285812 in reply to 285804
The "people wearing different clothes causes intermittent hardware bugs" part is entirely plausible- the example given in my debugging book was the tester wearing a plaid shirt overloading a video compression algorithm.

I like stories where the tester is the hero. Was this a true story?

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 10:46 • by Anon (unregistered)
285813 in reply to 285811
Lars Vargas:
It had nothing to do with static discharge.

The robots clearly were sentient, and having detected brass in the room, were following protocol and racing up to the glass to salute the admirals and other VIPs. The lack of proper hands for saluting made them appear menacing. And being good robots, as soon as they raced up to the glass to "salute", they went back to work.

If these robots had noses, they would be brown.


I call "Mmmmaggots!"

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 11:09 • by ochrist
285816 in reply to 285787
ctardi:
If the robot really did run on steel rails, how was it an issue that it came towards the window at high speed? It's on rails, it won't hit the window...


They should definitely have used Ruby on Rails here.

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 11:11 • by jim (unregistered)
285817 in reply to 285811
Lars Vargas:
It had nothing to do with static discharge.

The robots clearly were sentient, and having detected brass in the room, were following protocol and racing up to the glass to salute the admirals and other VIPs. The lack of proper hands for saluting made them appear menacing. And being good robots, as soon as they raced up to the glass to "salute", they went back to work.

If these robots had noses, they would be brown.


You sir, are born for marketing.

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 11:19 • by Bim Job (unregistered)
285818 in reply to 285807
Junkie:
This story reminds me of where I used to work. We had mail carrier robots that followed a series of invisible lines in the carpet. If you were unfortunate enough to leave something in the path of these 1/2 ton menaces, kiss it goodbye.
When the robots were brought on-line, the company let go several union workers who had delivered mail prior to the new system. As you can imagine, union workers weren't happy about it. One of the union janitors found a container of the solution used to mark the lines and decided that all of the robots needed to be rerouted into the executive boardroom.
Well, the story in the OP is obvious BS, but I'll buy this one for a dollar...

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 11:21 • by bigbird (unregistered)
"a small, 4”x6” sheet of film"

As opposed to a large, 4”x6” sheet of film...

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 11:38 • by RandomUser423661 (unregistered)
285821 in reply to 285804
Anomynous Coward:
A small static discharge from someone's shoes causing a microcontroller-driven robot to go insane is less plausible, though- surely a large metal-bodied robot would be grounded in case of wiring faults to avoid the entire case becoming electrified? Also, if the robot is behind glass, how do the electrified brass touch it? Or if they are close enough to touch the actual robot, what the hell are they doing standing on the rails?
The implication, or explicit statement (too lazy to check), was that it was the terminals that were not properly grounded, and they spit random garbage down the serial lines to the controllers, resulting in unwanted behavior.

Re: BS2

2009-09-22 11:48 • by Christopher (unregistered)
285822 in reply to 285788
TGV:
I call BS2.


I call BSG. The big oscillating red light on the front was a big giveaway.

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 12:06 • by Murdog (unregistered)
285823 in reply to 285804
Anomynous Coward:
The "people wearing different clothes causes intermittent hardware bugs" part is entirely plausible- the example given in my debugging book was the tester wearing a plaid shirt overloading a video compression algorithm.

A small static discharge from someone's shoes causing a microcontroller-driven robot to go insane is less plausible, though- surely a large metal-bodied robot would be grounded in case of wiring faults to avoid the entire case becoming electrified? Also, if the robot is behind glass, how do the electrified brass touch it? Or if they are close enough to touch the actual robot, what the hell are they doing standing on the rails?

I suspect this may be a slight embellishment (for unknown value of "slight") on "static discharge from shoes caused a robot to misbehave causing much scratching of heads" story.


Sounds like a mythbusters episode if you ask me

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 12:57 • by what (unregistered)
the real wtf is the word "instincually".

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 13:04 • by Design Pattern (unregistered)
285826 in reply to 285805
SR:

You'll get similar results with Herizon and Yooha. Made up names = fewer lawsuits.

Well that explains it, but i wouldn't call 19,200 (for "Yooha") similar to two. Let alone 128,000 for "Herizon".

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 13:14 • by ThingGuy McGuyThing (unregistered)
285827 in reply to 285826
Design Pattern:
SR:

You'll get similar results with Herizon and Yooha. Made up names = fewer lawsuits.

Well that explains it, but i wouldn't call 19,200 (for "Yooha") similar to two. Let alone 128,000 for "Herizon".


Well, it depends. Which two of the following three are similar:
a) 2
b) 128000
c) Pineapple

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 13:23 • by Harrow (unregistered)
I don't think the microprocessor "issue[d] a string a confusing and inaccurate commands to the robot" so much as crashed, reset, and restarted the control program. If the device was anything like the robots I helped design and deploy, the hardware can tell the software how far and in which direction the picker has moved, but not precisely where it is. To know that, the controller must run the picker down the rails until it encounters a limit switch.

Although the picker might look like it's charging menacingly, in fact it's moving at what the controller considers a safe slow rate, sort of groping blindly for the limit switch. But it still looks dangerously fast, especially when the movement is straight toward, and ending very close to, your face.

It's just unfortunate that in this case the machine was programmed to use the limit switch at the window end of the rails.

The real moral of the story is: if you must tease high-ranking officers by hurling heavy machinery at them without warning, make them check their sidearms at the door first. It's all fun and games until you get several cal.45 holes in your Fichetrieve.

-Harrow.

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 13:30 • by Donkey Hotay (unregistered)
Thought this was going to be the story I heard about a tape retrieval robot whose operator thought "Gee, I wonder what would happen if I put in a negative number for the tape ID." Said robot did allegedly run off its rails and through a plate glass window. Supposedly this happened at a gas company in Detroit in the '70s or '80s and the person I talked to claimed to have witnessed the aftermath.

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 13:46 • by modo (unregistered)
285830 in reply to 285828
Harrow:
I don't think the microprocessor "issue[d] a string a confusing and inaccurate commands to the robot" so much as crashed, reset, and restarted the control program. If the device was anything like the robots I helped design and deploy, the hardware can tell the software how far and in which direction the picker has moved, but not precisely where it is. To know that, the controller must run the picker down the rails until it encounters a limit switch.

Although the picker might look like it's charging menacingly, in fact it's moving at what the controller considers a safe slow rate, sort of groping blindly for the limit switch. But it still looks dangerously fast, especially when the movement is straight toward, and ending very close to, your face.

It's just unfortunate that in this case the machine was programmed to use the limit switch at the window end of the rails.

The real moral of the story is: if you must tease high-ranking officers by hurling heavy machinery at them without warning, make them check their sidearms at the door first. It's all fun and games until you get several cal.45 holes in your Fichetrieve.

-Harrow.
Ah, Harrow. Thanks for that.

Terminals on the desks

2009-09-22 13:51 • by Peter (unregistered)
Those are 1980s vintage Data General 6053 terminals. I'd recognize them anywhere, and never thought I'd see them again. Well, *hoped* anyway...

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 14:20 • by k1 (unregistered)
285832 in reply to 285820
bigbird:
"a small, 4”x6” sheet of film"

As opposed to a large, 4”x6” sheet of film...

TRWTF is the use of inches instead of millimeters :D

This remember me one thing...
From wikipedia:
(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_computer_hardware_in_Soviet_Bloc_countries) :

This redevelopment led to some incompatibilities with Western standards, such as Integrated circuit pins on 2.5 mm spacing instead of 2.54 (0.1 inch) spacing.


quote from the article used as reference:
"Hardware Hassles
Leonid Tomblerd, a researcher at Estonian's Institute of Cybernetics, relate some problems with the development of Soviet hardware. For instance, most U.S. chip leads are spaced 1/10 inch apart. The Soviet ministry in charge of cloning Western chips mandated metric spacing, but 1/10 inch works out to be about 0,154 millimeters, an odd metric size.
The Soviet solution? A _metric_inch_ - 0.25-mm spacing. This means that Soviet clone chips can be exact electrical and functional equivalents of their Western counterparts, and look exactly the same - until you try to plug them into a Western socket. They won't fit.
[...]
BYTE April 1991

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 14:23 • by k1 (unregistered)
285833 in reply to 285832

Leonid Tomblerd

Ehm, Tomberd

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 15:05 • by aBase (unregistered)
285834 in reply to 285820
bigbird:
"a small, 4”x6” sheet of film"

As opposed to a large, 4”x6” sheet of film...

No. As opposed to a [I]vast[I] 4"x6" sheet of film.

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 15:10 • by Scott (unregistered)
285835 in reply to 285828
Harrow:
To know that, the controller must run the picker down the rails until it encounters a limit switch.


Which is why my Commodore 64's disk drive was perpetually out of alignment.

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 15:22 • by Dazed (unregistered)
Ah yes, I've had an application that worked fine during testing, and only went wrong on important demos. Turned out to be a timer that was being kicked off slightly too early. Use the application normally and everything worked fine. Take half a minute to explain something and suddenly the application would go haywire ...

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 15:29 • by A Gould (unregistered)
285838 in reply to 285807
Junkie:
One of the union janitors found a container of the solution used to mark the lines and decided that all of the robots needed to be rerouted into the executive boardroom.


Quoted for Awesome.

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 16:17 • by DC (unregistered)
285842 in reply to 285827
ThingGuy McGuyThing:

Well, it depends. Which two of the following three are similar:
a) 2
b) 128000
c) Pineapple


Obviously a) and c) since I have 2 pineapples on my desk!

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 16:26 • by eric76 (unregistered)
Ever hear of a random access tape machine?

It consisted of a storage cabinet with a large number of pigeonholes and a mechanical arm. The tapes used were rather stiff and about ten to twelve inches long.

When the operator requested a certain tape, the mechanical arm would reach into the appropriate pigeonhole, grab the proper tape, pull it out, run it through the tape reader, and put it back in the pigeonhole.

The problem was that sometimes the tape didn't go back into the pigeonhole. Instead, it caught on the outside and acted like a spring. When the mechanical arm let it go, the piece of tape would go flying out away from the cabinet.

Someone I knew who had worked in a 1960s computer center that used them said it was pretty funny to be sitting there at the operator console and have occasional pieces of magnetic tape go flying by your head.

I've always wondered just how much data such a piece of tape would hold. Remember that back then and into the 1970s, you could read magnetic tape with bit juice and a magnifying glass.

Re: The Picker Stampede

2009-09-22 17:14 • by Moss
"Yup, here's your problem. Someone set this thing to 'Evil'".
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