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Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-21 07:18 • by AnonymousFan (unregistered)

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Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-21 08:49 • by rm -rf (unregistered)
167990 in reply to 167913
ParkinT:

True story:
I was contacted by Google for a job. Not in search of a new job, I was quite flattered so agreed to a phone interview.
During the interview I (casually) mentioned that if you search on my name in Google, you will see the breadth and longevity of my experience on the Internet. What surprised me was that this person - an employee of google - had never thought of that!


I had just the opposite experience with Google. When I asked them how they found me, the recruiter paused, and said 'Google?'

Re: No, don't look back.

2007-12-21 09:07 • by Bartman (unregistered)
167991 in reply to 167961
Craig:
The real WTF is that he stayed there 4 years.


Amen Craig. I am always amazed at how people dither about whether or not they should leave a company that is TF'ed (the "T" stands for truly). Think of the opportunity cost that Kirk inflicted on himself for staying at that company for 4 years right at the beginning of the Dot.com era...it is staggering.

Companies certainly don't have any compunction about doing what is in their own self interest such as freezing wages, downsizing, right sizing, and eliminating pensions for bullshit 401Ks.

American workers have been marginalized to contract status as they can be fired at any time and have minimal health and pension benefits; yet, they don't get paid as well as true contractors. Oh and don't get me started on outsourcing.

Happy holidays...

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-21 09:18 • by FredSaw
167992 in reply to 167986
Olivia:
ChZEROHag:
ParkinT:
I've got chills!!


They're multiplying.


Stop it! I'm losing control!
The comment you're supplying? It's electrifying.

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-21 09:37 • by Freddoo (unregistered)
when i leave a company i usually burn the bridge just to make sure i won't go back somewhere i did not like.

eventhough i was called back once to get a nice offer 20k below my current salary. i knew there was a reason i left.

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-21 10:01 • by Merijn (unregistered)
167997 in reply to 167856
steve:
You always hear about people stretching the truth or lying outright on their resumes...this is an example of why it's nice to personally know someone who works for the company that you interview with - otherwise, who holds them accountable?


The Network holds liars accountable. I got an IM from a former co-worker when someone, let's call him Bob, applied for a job. Bob claimed to have worked for a client where I had worked in the same period of time. Actually, he was thrown out in less than a week for not being capable. The fact that Bob lied came to light this way, and well, my former co-workers company didn't hire him.

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-21 10:34 • by Mel (unregistered)
167999 in reply to 167962
ThatGuy:
If they're publicly traded, look at their stock price and public filings before you go in there.


That assumes that you actually understand stuff like that. I don't - and I have tried.

About questions in general: I don't like asking questions when I'm in an interview. I know that I'm not always good at making myself understand, especially when I'm nervous, and most often when I do try to ask something it comes out wrong and I get flustered and even more nervous. If I do need to ask something, I will, but I will avoid it if I can.

I have found I'm a fairly good judge of whether I like the place based on what I see / hear / feel around me (at least, I've been right about everywhere I've ended up working, or later found out more about).

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-21 10:38 • by billswift (unregistered)
168000 in reply to 167853
Re: The Re-Interview
2007-12-20 12:31 • by akatherder
I don't understand the point of going back for an interview when you already know you don't want the job and it's a terrible company to work for.


Insatiable curiosity. I might have done the same thing.

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-21 11:08 • by FredSaw
168002 in reply to 167999
Mel:
About questions in general: I don't like asking questions when I'm in an interview. I know that I'm not always good at making myself understand, especially when I'm nervous, and most often when I do try to ask something it comes out wrong and I get flustered and even more nervous. If I do need to ask something, I will, but I will avoid it if I can.

I have found I'm a fairly good judge of whether I like the place based on what I see / hear / feel around me (at least, I've been right about everywhere I've ended up working, or later found out more about).
I agree with the American bear--you should have questions prepared, and ask them.

When I first came to Dallas in 2000, I had spent five years working for the same company, out in the sticks. I had no experience at interviewing for IT positions in the metroplex. I read a couple of websites offering tips on interviewing; they both advised preparing questions to ask. At the time, I dismissed this as unnecessary.

I interviewed for a position with McAfee, of ViruScan fame. The technical part went quite well and I was confident of getting the position, when the interviewer asked, "Do you have any questions you'd like to ask us?" I replied, no, I didn't, and his face fell. After a couple of awkward moments he picked up the thread again and continued on, but shortly he asked again, "Are you sure you don't have anything to ask me?" I again replied that I did not. And I could tell by his expression that my lack of preparedness had just cost me that position. He quickly wrapped up the interview and I left, determined to go to my next interview properly prepared.

A few days later I interviewed for my current position, and just as Ursus said, I came with a leather-bound notebook containing several questions. These mostly related to their development processes. For example:

Do you have a dedicated QA staff to do testing of software? If not, what is your testing process?
What is your approach to continuing education for your employees? How often do you provide training for them, and what type of training is it?
What development tools and platform do you use?
Do you attempt to keep pace with growth in the IT field by regularly upgrading your tools and platform? If not, how often do you upgrade?
In my assignments, what will be the ratio of new development to maintenance of legacy applications?

...and so forth. These questions are not difficult to ask, particularly if you read them straight from your leather-bound notebook as they are worded here. Nor are you being presumptious by asking them. Instead, you're demonstrating that you are interested in working in a healthy, progressive environment where management understands the necessity of good tools and continuing training.

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-21 11:13 • by ParkinT
168003 in reply to 167992
FredSaw:
Olivia:
ChZEROHag:
ParkinT:
I've got chills!!


They're multiplying.


Stop it! I'm losing control!
The comment you're supplying? It's electrifying.

Grease, it's the word...

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-21 11:22 • by m0j0 (unregistered)
168004 in reply to 167869
Patrick:
Air quotes are a dead giveaway that you don't want to work there.

Actually, back in 1994, air quotes weren't necessarily a bad sign. The ISP market was just taking off and they were peddling dial-up 28.8k access only. You still had a lot of Windows 3.x users using Trumpet Winsock and the original Netscape browser.

I worked for an ISP back in 1994, and I remember those days. The dot-com boom didn't pick up speed until 1997 or so.

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-21 12:00 • by Cloak (unregistered)
168006 in reply to 167953
Grimoire:
Wow, replace "INDUSTRY LEADING travel company" with, "INDUSTRY LEADING wireless company", one year anniversary with 6 month anniversary, add in 13 rounds of layoffs, and change re-interview years later with contract offer 1 month later, and you have my previous job.


It's a pity, I tried to get this job but they seem to have given up.

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-21 12:01 • by Christopher (unregistered)
168007 in reply to 167913
ParkinT:

As I said it, I assumed it was a 'given' and expected a reaction like, "sure, that's what I did. I always do". But she actually had never thought of it!!!
I was floored.


Google uses Paula Bean to interview people?

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-21 12:35 • by Zygo (unregistered)
168008 in reply to 167987
AnonymousFan:

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Nice try, Alex, but we all know it's really you. ;-)

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-21 12:54 • by GalacticCowboy
168010 in reply to 167995
Freddoo:
when i leave a company i usually burn the bridge just to make sure i won't go back somewhere i did not like.


In the particular market where I work (Indianapolis), the total market is small enough that your chances of cross-pollenation are very high. At every position I've had in the past 5 years I have encountered someone who I either knew before or who directly knows someone I knew before. I know several individuals who have burned a bridge that returned to haunt them later.

Second interview

2007-12-21 13:46 • by athloi
I'm so glad he went back for the second interview.

Curiosity is a healthy value.

If I saw them posting the same ad as before, I'd want to go and see how gnarly it was. It gives you a final perspective on the situation, like a bookend, and you can then move on knowing what actually happened.

At this point in my cynical life, I might not have waited as long to leave the first time, but that's experience talking, which I didn't have at my first few gigs.

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-21 13:53 • by A Gould (unregistered)
168017 in reply to 167855
WhiskeyJack:
This is the very first time I have read a story on TDWTF and thought, "No way, this can't possibly be true."


Easily true - a local (non-tech) company has used the same ad in the paper for 10 years (and until maybe a year ago, the exact same overinflated "up to $X" pay scale).

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-21 15:39 • by gremlin
168021 in reply to 167992
FredSaw:
Olivia:
ChZEROHag:
ParkinT:
I've got chills!!


They're multiplying.


Stop it! I'm losing control!
The comment you're supplying? It's electrifying.

You better shape up.

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-21 15:58 • by clively
168023 in reply to 168002
FredSaw:
A few days later I interviewed for my current position, and just as Ursus said, I came with a leather-bound notebook containing several questions. These mostly related to their development processes.


Given the market lately, I've found that I am weeding out companies more than they are weeding out candidates.

A couple weeks ago I interviewed with a company for "new development work, cutting edge", etc. When it was my turn to ask questions, I asked what they actually needed help on. This led into the company's idea of an "ideal" career path. Which was: start in support (yes, answering the phones), then move to maintenance programming, and after a couple years I would be able to join the new development team. They then asked if I was interested.

I've been doing development for 15+ years; with most of it being new over the past 10 of that. So I told the interviewers that perhaps they needed to find someone a bit more junior. Like maybe just out of high school.

Yes, asking questions is an absolute must.

Re: No, don't look back.

2007-12-21 17:38 • by dlikhten
168028 in reply to 167851
Sounds like a great scam. I heard of shit like this happening before...

My uncle had his raises halted for 7 yrs for financial troubles, then the owners bought a Ferrarri! Each! And I think more than 1. He just left in a snap.

Its not a WTF but I found it funny that it still existed.

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-21 17:42 • by Dude (unregistered)
Is there going to be a Christmas WTF???

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-21 19:44 • by BD (unregistered)
168030 in reply to 167853
akatherder:
I don't understand the point of going back for an interview when you already know you don't want the job and it's a terrible company to work for.


It's obviously not a completely true story. However, it may still say true things about industry and about real human experiences.

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-22 02:40 • by Sack Scratcherton (unregistered)
168039 in reply to 167853
akatherder:
I don't understand the point of going back for an interview when you already know you don't want the job and it's a terrible company to work for.


I would have, just for the sake of having a good story to tell.

Disclaimer: this is not a wise manner in which to live your life. It has gotten me into trouble on multiple occasions.

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-22 12:20 • by hayalci (unregistered)
168051 in reply to 167894

PS: Social-networking is the next most obnoxious and meaningless buzzwords right after Web 2.0.


Actually, the next big buzzword is "semantic web"

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-22 14:44 • by Ted (unregistered)
168054 in reply to 168021
Ooh ooh ooh. I need a man!

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-23 00:31 • by Fred (unregistered)
168059 in reply to 168010
GalacticCowboy:
Freddoo:
when i leave a company i usually burn the bridge just to make sure i won't go back somewhere i did not like.


In the particular market where I work (Indianapolis), the total market is small enough that your chances of cross-pollenation are very high. At every position I've had in the past 5 years I have encountered someone who I either knew before or who directly knows someone I knew before. I know several individuals who have burned a bridge that returned to haunt them later.


I work in Indy too. Are you working as a contractor at Lilly and bumping into former coworkers?

I don't think the market is that small.

OT: You could probably make an entire site about how much it sucks to do IT work at Lilly.

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-23 03:56 • by D2oris (unregistered)
168061 in reply to 168021
Ted:
gremlin:
FredSaw:
Olivia:
ChZEROHag:
ParkinT:
I've got chills!!
They're multiplying.
Stop it! I'm losing control!
The comment you're supplying? It's electrifying.
You better shape up.
Ooh ooh ooh. I need a man!
Who can keep me satisfied!

Re: No, don't look back.

2007-12-23 07:25 • by baboo
168070 in reply to 167851
Benanov:
(Mainly this keeps you from thinking that your ex was the best you'll ever have.)


He he... I saw this bathroom stall graffiti at one of my old college bars, and it's stayed with me to this day:

"No matter how cute you think she is, someone, somewhere, is sick of her shit."

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-23 07:40 • by yanman (unregistered)
If they google me on my name, I'm screwed.

http://www.google.be/search?hl=nl&q=%22yannick+mattheus%22&meta=

There is a guy who is 2 years younger ( thank god his birth date is on the profile page, that might hint HR that he's not me ) and he has a profile page on http://www.partyanimal.be/yannickskueeeeeh , which conveniently shows up first when googling my name.

His paged used to be filled with swastikas, and he uses a bad form of Flemish internet slang.

The other 3 hits are actually me, on a school website, and 2 clan-gaming websites.
Let's hope they never google me >.>

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-24 07:58 • by Tigger
168085 in reply to 167853
akatherder:
I don't understand the point of going back for an interview when you already know you don't want the job and it's a terrible company to work for.

Easy - sheer morbid curiosity... besides, I don't think he did know yet that he didn't want it - it *might* have actually changed...

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-24 13:54 • by merry xmas (unregistered)
168123 in reply to 168029
yeah. first company I worked for out of college (.com) let half the staff go 2 weeks before Christmas. That's 22 people out of a 43 person company, none of whom had C*O in their title. The (6) C*O's kept their jobs.

Re: The Re-Interview

2007-12-26 11:51 • by MrEleganza (unregistered)
168251 in reply to 168061
D2oris:
Ted:
gremlin:
FredSaw:
Olivia:
ChZEROHag:
ParkinT:
I've got chills!!
They're multiplying.
Stop it! I'm losing control!
The comment you're supplying? It's electrifying.
You better shape up.
Ooh ooh ooh. I need a man!
Who can keep me satisfied!


I think the OP needs to go back an interview a THIRD time. He'd probably be told by the HR recruiter, "you're the one that I want."

Re: The Re-Interview

2008-01-19 20:54 • by anon (unregistered)
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Re: The Re-Interview

2008-01-21 07:35 • by Fizzl (unregistered)
172241 in reply to 167913
ParkinT:

During the interview I (casually) mentioned that if you search on my name in Google, you will see the breadth and longevity of my experience on the Internet.

If you search for my name in Google, you will find I seem to have split personality. One, coding at nights on weird hack projects, going by the pseudonym "Fizzl". And the other one; formally educated orchestral conductor, working in the musical programme service industry.

I think one of these has a future...

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Re: The Re-Interview

2011-03-21 10:18 • by Does it matter? (unregistered)
I must say.. this has to be the dumbest smart guy I've seen in a long time..

"Teeeeeeens of milllions..." "We're going places!"..
TWO RED FLAGS in a row..

No serious company would hire such idiots in HR..

Re: The Re-Interview

2013-06-12 15:49 • by ObiWayneKenobi
This story is extremely frightening. To throw away most of your life working for a single company without any promotions or presumably raises is absolutely terrifying.

I get bored at jobs within a year if the work isn't exciting and there isn't advancement potential. I've worked with some people that have stayed in companies for years, and their complacent attitudes about everything scare the daylights out of me; it's like something out of a horror movie with lobotomized cult members.

Re: The Re-Interview

2014-08-27 08:05 • by wow (unregistered)
438149 in reply to 341665
Does it matter?:
I must say.. this has to be the dumbest smart guy I've seen in a long time..

"Teeeeeeens of milllions..." "We're going places!"..
TWO RED FLAGS in a row..

No serious company would hire such idiots in HR..


Oh god. You stupid, stupid, stupid STUPID cunt.
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