Comment On There's Always Time

The list of things the Canadian government's IT group didn't like to see was a long list. High up on that list was "thirty-five contract developers sitting idle around a box of Tim Hortons donuts and racking up billable hours because they couldn't do any development with the DEV database out of commission". [expand full text]
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Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:04 • by Dan J (unregistered)
I knew it was only a matter of time before TDWTF became another puppet of the Tim Hortons marketing machine!



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Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:05 • by Ocson (unregistered)
I would have let them fax it, just to see what they fax.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:06 • by DD (unregistered)
Too bad Tim Hortons is terrible coffee.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:06 • by RogerC
"Would you like us to fax it to you? Do you have a fax number?"

There was a long moment where Jody and his boss stared at each other in stunned silence. The question made so little sense that they hadn't the foggiest idea how to reply.

I suspect that during that long moment the tech support guy was busy clearing off the wooden table.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:07 • by pubbing (unregistered)
The real wtf is that I feel the strong need to know what would have been faxed over.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:11 • by Jaybles (unregistered)
Somehow I get the feeling that the "upgrade" was just a command script that updated some configuration values and changed the version number. Either that or the tech support goon was really that much of a moron to think that he could fax an install disc.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:12 • by Bluesman (unregistered)
What the Fax?

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:13 • by drachenstern
305719 in reply to 305717
Jaybles:
Somehow I get the feeling that the "upgrade" was just a command script that updated some configuration values and changed the version number. Either that or the tech support goon was really that much of a moron to think that he could fax an install disc.
Being a database issue, I would think a series of scripts...

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:13 • by GettinSadda
Nice ad.

When do we get today's WTF?

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:14 • by Robb (unregistered)
Shoulda said the fax number was 867 5309

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:16 • by Mr. S. (unregistered)
Haha, Canadians...

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:16 • by fuzzix
"We should call the vendor and see what they say," he said.

"Can we try this while you sit on hold?" he asked.

Who said the whatnow?

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:17 • by Joe Friday (unregistered)
305724 in reply to 305712
Ocson:
I would have let them fax it, just to see what they fax.
I agree. We're only interested in the fax, Ma'am.

Actually, I'd be curious how they fax. To an FTP server. Maybe if you gave the customer-non-support drone an IP address they could try dialing it. Although I don't know how a fax machine handles dots (or hex and colons, if you're IPV6 friendly).

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:19 • by WhiskeyJack
To our non-Canuck friends, "You've always got time for Tim Horton's" is their current marketing slogan.

I do like the coffee, though I admit it's nothing special.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:22 • by Shill (unregistered)
305726 in reply to 305725
Agreed, the coffee is nothing special, but for the price (when I was there this week it was $1.72 for an X-large?) it's just right.

That's funny, my mouth is watering for a small double double right now....

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:23 • by ircmaxell
305727 in reply to 305712
Ocson:
I would have let them fax it, just to see what they fax.

My Guesses:

1. A photocopy of the CD (Bonus points if it's a copy of both sides).
2. The source code
3. The binary in raw format
4. The binary in base64
5. The order form
6. A stencil with instructions on how to cut it out, put it over the platters of the HDD, and use a magnet to flip individual bits...

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:28 • by NerfTW
305728 in reply to 305724
Joe Friday:

Actually, I'd be curious how they fax. To an FTP server. Maybe if you gave the customer-non-support drone an IP address they could try dialing it. Although I don't know how a fax machine handles dots (or hex and colons, if you're IPV6 friendly).


Since the boss said "FTP site", the tech probably didn't know what FTP meant and was thinking "site" as in a physical location.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:28 • by Rune (unregistered)
To me the real WTF is upgrading a database that is in a broken state.
Faxing an upgrade to an FTP site is good for a laugh or two, but seeing an upgrade process break your database even further is nasty.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:31 • by ircmaxell
305730 in reply to 305729
Rune:
To me the real WTF is upgrading a database that is in a broken state.
Good point... If it was me, when the guy said that they can support an older version in a production app but not a development one, I would have said thank you and hung up. Then I would have called back and said that the problem was happening on my production system and I need help.

Seriously, they want you running different versions between development and production? WTF?

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:32 • by Bub (unregistered)
Base64 encode the update, fax it, scan the fax at the other end, OCR it, Base64 decode it, apply it. Job done.

It's secure, gives immediate confirmation of receipt, and uses multiple layers of error-correction as well as providing a hardcopy for backup.

Gotta see the bigger picture, folks.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:33 • by Balentius (unregistered)
305732 in reply to 305729
Exactly what caught my eye... You NEVER change binaries when the database is broken - that is just asking for disaster.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:33 • by Remy Porter
305733 in reply to 305731
But how would you apply that on an embedded platform without a filesystem?

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:41 • by Anonymous (unregistered)
I must have missed something here, all I really got from today's WTF was a lot of references to Horton's. Was this a sponsored WTF? And what actually was the WTF? Clueless support goon? Schizophrenic boss? Maybe there was a paragraph missing?

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:41 • by null reference (unregistered)
Tim Hortons FTW! Why don't they exist in Ohio??

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:41 • by Crash (unregistered)
Overuse of pronouns left my head spinning.

captcha: nobis - a professional n00b.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:43 • by Bub (unregistered)
305738 in reply to 305736
null reference:
Tim Hortons FTW! Why don't they exist in Ohio??


Nothing exists in Ohio.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:43 • by DannyV (unregistered)
Would really have loved to see that fax photographed on a wooden table...

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:44 • by Mike (unregistered)
305740 in reply to 305723
Exactly.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:46 • by silent d (unregistered)
The real WTF is that the developers didn't finish their donuts.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:51 • by Tom Woolf (unregistered)
That boss will never rise in the ranks. I mean, he essentially *apologized* to his worker by bringing the coffee and donuts to him!

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:56 • by highphilosopher (unregistered)
305744 in reply to 305731
Bub:
Base64 encode the update, fax it, scan the fax at the other end, OCR it, Base64 decode it, apply it. Job done.

It's secure, gives immediate confirmation of receipt, and uses multiple layers of error-correction as well as providing a hardcopy for backup.

Gotta see the bigger picture, folks.


You've apparently never tried to run an OCR on a faxed document. I doesn't work very well.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:57 • by Anon (unregistered)
305745 in reply to 305736
null reference:
Tim Hortons FTW! Why don't they exist in Ohio??


They do exist in Ohio. There's one off of I-71 a little bit south of Columbus IIRC. I've also seen one in Marietta in SW Ohio.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:58 • by frits
305746 in reply to 305713
DD:
Too bad Tim Hortons is terrible coffee.


Then it would do quite well here in America.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 11:59 • by Anon (unregistered)
TRWTF is the boss who actually has a clue and recognized that there was no point continuing to talk with somebody who wanted to fax an update to an FTP site.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 12:00 • by frits
305748 in reply to 305727
ircmaxell:
Ocson:
I would have let them fax it, just to see what they fax.

My Guesses:

1. A photocopy of the CD (Bonus points if it's a copy of both sides).
2. The source code
3. The binary in raw format
4. The binary in base64
5. The order form
6. A stencil with instructions on how to cut it out, put it over the platters of the HDD, and use a magnet to flip individual bits...


7. Picture of a hyperlink.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 12:00 • by usitas (unregistered)
What's the fax number to send my comment to?

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 12:07 • by DCRoss
305751 in reply to 305725
To our non-Canuck friends, "You've always got time for Tim Horton's" is their current marketing slogan.

Don't forget people who live in former parts of the USA which have already been annexed by Canadia. I have been seeing Canadian military bases disguised as Tim Horton's all over the New York Throughway for years.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 12:10 • by ForcedSterilizationsForAll (unregistered)
305752 in reply to 305741
silent d:
The real WTF is that the developers didn't finish their donuts.


They're developers, not cops.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 12:12 • by frits
305753 in reply to 305752
ForcedSterilizationsForAll:
silent d:
The real WTF is that the developers didn't finish their donuts.


They're developers, not cops.


So your saying that right now their job is not eating these donuts.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 12:14 • by MadX (unregistered)
"Defeated, his boss shrugged. He couldn't make eye contact with Jody. He killed the call triumphantly." WTF?

Oh, Jody killed the call...

Then he twitched. Then he bitch-slapped his boss back to his office. He coughed. Then he went back to work. He wasn't missed until error 56789 and Tim Horton arrived, triumphantly.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 12:15 • by David L. (unregistered)
305755 in reply to 305736
They do. We have them in the Columbus area, and I think I have seen them in both Dayton and Cincy.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 12:19 • by Buzz Killington (unregistered)
Oooh so that's what Tim Horton's is. There is one about 5 minutes from my house in Connecticut and I always drive by asking WTF is Tim Horton's?

Stupid canadians.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 12:19 • by luis.espinal
At least the boss was apologetic, brought some goodies and suggested to take a break. No matter the WTFs, that's the type of boss you want to work with.

Curiosity?

2010-04-15 12:25 • by Sanity (unregistered)
Why wouldn't you have them fax it, out of sheer curiosity?

I mean, if it ended up being a script, that'd be useful. If it ended up being a "fax" of an install disk, a photo of that would add so much to the story!

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 12:29 • by !coffee (unregistered)
As a Canadian, I have to say TRWTF is Tim Horton's "coffee".
Nasty, nasty stuff.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 12:29 • by edthered (unregistered)
305760 in reply to 305757
luis.espinal:
At least the boss was apologetic, brought some goodies and suggested to take a break. No matter the WTFs, that's the type of boss you want to work with.


Unless you're constantly eating doughnuts... it could get real old real fast.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 12:34 • by WhiskeyJack
305761 in reply to 305756
Buzz Killington:
Oooh so that's what Tim Horton's is. There is one about 5 minutes from my house in Connecticut and I always drive by asking WTF is Tim Horton's?

Stupid canadians.


Eh?

I've heard they're changing the name of US locations to "Tim Horton's cafe and donut shop" or something, to make it a little more obvious. The name "Tim Hortons" is well known to pretty much everyone in Canada, just as "McDonalds" is universal to pretty much the whole planet, despite also not being descriptive of the products they sell.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 12:35 • by two guys (unregistered)
Joe thought a comment should be posted.
Jim said we need to contact support first.
he said why do we need to contact support.
he said I wont let you make changes till we confirm the problem
he asked what the problem was
he said there are too many of the same pronoun in our comments fax.
he agreed with him and decided the article having too many pronouns in the real WTF
he laughed at his comment and he decided that his original plan would be best
he apologized and sent the fax
he took the fax and posted this nonsense comment.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 12:36 • by robb (unregistered)
The real WTF is naming a man Jody.

Re: There's Always Time

2010-04-15 12:37 • by LenL (unregistered)
305764 in reply to 305713
DD:
Too bad Tim Hortons is terrible coffee.
It's better than anything you'll get at Starbucks or Krispy Kreme or Country Style. And, some day, you may actually be able to get coffee in McD -- but probably not in my lifetime.

Kudos, btw, for omitting the apostrophe in Tim Hortons.
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