Comment On Venting Frustration

It takes ambition and funding to build the "best datacenter in the world". Bi-located on the East and West coast, with multiple fat pipes, doubly-redudant power generation, armed security guards, and a Network Operations Center with giant plasma screens scrolling network statuses that are monitored by a 24/7 staff always looking busy, such a datacenter would serve only the highest-end clients. It takes one more key ingredient though: timing. Building a high-end datacenter in the middle of the deepest recession in decades isn't the recipe for success. Only a handful of clients ever moved in, and they were moving back out when the datacenter decided to shut down operations for good. Nearly everyone had been laid off, which left Ryan as the lone IT guy. [expand full text]
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Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 09:08 • by couldn't help it (unregistered)
this was just a lot of hot air

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 09:09 • by snoofle
If an HVAC blows hot air into an unoccupied data center, does anybody really notice?

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 09:20 • by TheCPUWizard (unregistered)
Alas this type of problem (HVAC, thermostats, zones and vents) is all too common. While it "should not have happened" in a newly constructed datacenter, I see it all the time here in New York City where building walls are moved time and again over the years but the HVAC system is only "tweaked" rather than properly being retrofitted to address the new topology of the space.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 09:23 • by 3rd Ferguson (unregistered)
312808 in reply to 312807
Topology is destiny.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 09:26 • by none (unregistered)
OMG UNICORNS!

(Click "the Server Room zone is 64º")

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 09:26 • by WizardStan (unregistered)
I'm interested to hear more about these "IT humor sites" he was reading. I would like to read some, but sadly I have yet to find even one!
(Is a joke, I'm implying that thedailywtf is not a humor site. Oh how funny I am!)

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 09:27 • by frits
Today's article brought to you by The Daily WTHvac: Curious Permutations in Heating, Ventilation, and Air Conditioning.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 09:27 • by Pigeon
312812 in reply to 312807
TheCPUWizard:
Alas this type of problem (HVAC, thermostats, zones and vents) is all too common. While it "should not have happened" in a newly constructed datacenter, I see it all the time here in New York City where building walls are moved time and again over the years but the HVAC system is only "tweaked" rather than properly being retrofitted to address the new topology of the space.


Faaar too common.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 09:32 • by Zylon
Today on The Daily What the Grammar:

"He expected to smoke and flames..."

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 09:34 • by skeptical hippo
312814 in reply to 312813
Zylon:
Today on The Daily What the Grammar:

"He expected to smoke and flames..."


Well, it did say they had fat pipes.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 09:35 • by facilisis (unregistered)
IT workers are the janitors of the 21st century.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 09:45 • by Knux2 (unregistered)
The kitchen and the cubicle farm are in the same heating/cooling zone, and we put the sensor between the freezer and the oven. Your temperature is dependent the company cafeteria schedule. Have fun!

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 09:45 • by Patrick (unregistered)
312817 in reply to 312809
none:
OMG UNICORNS!

(Click "the Server Room zone is 64º")

WTF??

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 09:48 • by Purple Power (unregistered)
<3 Unicorns and Rainbows

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 09:50 • by SeySayux (unregistered)
312819 in reply to 312809
none:
OMG UNICORNS!

(Click "the Server Room zone is 64º")


I believe that's TRWTF :P

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 09:50 • by SR (unregistered)
312820 in reply to 312814
skeptical hippo:
Zylon:
Today on The Daily What the Grammar:

"He expected to smoke and flames..."


Well, it did say they had fat pipes.


[applauds]

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 09:52 • by JonsJava (unregistered)
Ok, I clicked all around that sentence. One question: why? They just kept on coming, it was the march of unicorns and rainbows, and all things sparkly. Just....wrong....*grabs eye bleach*

Captcha: saluto. Io saluto youo backo

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 09:55 • by xMob (unregistered)
312822 in reply to 312809
none:
OMG UNICORNS!

(Click "the Server Room zone is 64º")


And keep clicking! ;o)

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 09:57 • by Matt Westwood
312823 in reply to 312816
Knux2:
The kitchen and the cubicle farm are in the same heating/cooling zone, and we put the sensor between the freezer and the oven. Your temperature is dependent the company cafeteria schedule. Have fun!


You do of course realise that a freezer actually emits heat into the atmosphere?

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 09:58 • by JonsJava (unregistered)
<script type="text/javascript" src="http://www.cornify.com/js/cornify.js"></script>

it was cornified.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 10:02 • by Anon (unregistered)
The obvious solution is to warm up the NOC until the AC kicked back on. I'd suggest setting fire to it.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 10:03 • by A. Nonnymuss (unregistered)
Fat Pipes:

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 10:05 • by Jakob H. Poulsen (unregistered)
The unicorns... they're everywhere!

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 10:05 • by frits
312828 in reply to 312809
none:
OMG UNICORNS!

(Click "the Server Room zone is 64º")


Thank you for revealing one of the secret unicorn hideouts. Would you like to join our organization?

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 10:06 • by JamesQMurphy
Never would have figured "Hello Kitty" would be into riding bareback.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 10:16 • by Ken B. (unregistered)
312831 in reply to 312823
Matt Westwood:
Knux2:
The kitchen and the cubicle farm are in the same heating/cooling zone, and we put the sensor between the freezer and the oven. Your temperature is dependent the company cafeteria schedule. Have fun!
You do of course realise that a freezer actually emits heat into the atmosphere?
The new "green" kitchen... Vent the freezer exhaust into the oven.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 10:19 • by Ken B. (unregistered)
312832 in reply to 312826
A. Nonnymuss:
Fat Pipes:

Apparently, those aren't fat enough. You need the ones from "Star Trek (2009)".

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 10:20 • by NerfTW
312833 in reply to 312823
Matt Westwood:
Knux2:
The kitchen and the cubicle farm are in the same heating/cooling zone, and we put the sensor between the freezer and the oven. Your temperature is dependent the company cafeteria schedule. Have fun!


You do of course realise that a freezer actually emits heat into the atmosphere?


Walk in freezers don't usually vent into the kitchen. That would be unbearable. They vent up and out of the building. He probably meant the cold air from opening the freezer door vs. the stoves.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 10:22 • by Neville Flynn (unregistered)
If the NOC was unused for weeks, why did it take that long for the heat to kick in?

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 10:23 • by Anonymous Cowherd (unregistered)
312836 in reply to 312829
JamesQMurphy:
Never would have figured "Hello Kitty" would be into riding bareback.


O.o

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 10:35 • by Herby (unregistered)
Somebody forgot to follow the sign in the cubicle farm:
Will the last person to leave, please turn on the night light below the thermostat.
They do wonders for modifying the temperature profile on thermostats (even in homes!)

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 10:36 • by unicorns? (unregistered)
I see the cick me text, and I click like crazy, but nothing happens. Yes, JS is enabled

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 10:46 • by pauly
So TRWTF is that he quit a job where he could play minesweeper and relax during his shift and for completely unknown reasons he sabotaged the entire datacenter bad enough that legal action probably could (and should) be taken.

Other than that, cool story bro!

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 10:49 • by TheRealMe (unregistered)
312842 in reply to 312835
Neville Flynn:
If the NOC was unused for weeks, why did it take that long for the heat to kick in?


The ambient outside temperature might have kept the NOC room temp just above the set point, but if it got colder outside, eventually at some point the ambient would keep falling and falling.

I can see this happening if the data center hit the big crunch in, say, fall, and then began shedding staff as winter came on. So the temp would still rise during the day, and fall at night, but as winter marches on the rise and fall would go down together, eventually below the AC set point.

tl;dr the thermostat wouldn't have fallen all the way, it would have taken some time before the thermostat began thinking it was no longer necessary to turn on the AC at all.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 10:51 • by TheRealMe (unregistered)
312843 in reply to 312835
Neville Flynn:
If the NOC was unused for weeks, why did it take that long for the heat to kick in?


The ambient outside temperature might have kept the NOC room temp just above the set point, but if it got colder outside, eventually at some point the ambient would keep falling and falling.

I can see this happening if the data center hit the big crunch in, say, fall, and then began shedding staff as winter came on. So the temp would still rise during the day, and fall at night, but as winter marches on the rise and fall would go down together, eventually below the AC set point.

tl;dr the thermostat wouldn't have fallen all the way, it would have taken some time before the thermostat began thinking it was no longer necessary to turn on the AC at all.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 11:02 • by Rootbeer (unregistered)
312845 in reply to 312841
pauly:
for completely unknown reasons he sabotaged the entire datacenter bad enough that legal action probably could (and should) be taken.


It's admittedly vague, but I interpreted the final paragraph of the story to mean that the datacenter went out of business a couple weeks later, not that he had resigned.

Granted, a better admin would have done things with his copious free time on the job like unpack the emergency AC system so it's actually ready to be used in an emergency, or setting up monitoring to page him BEFORE the ambient temperature in the server room hits 110 degrees.

So maybe a guy who ignores pages about a non-critical server crash is also the kind of guy who would sabotage company operations on his way out the door, after all.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 11:19 • by DCRoss
I used to work in a cube farm which was originally designed as two large rooms with a wall between them. Some time ago someoneone thought it was a great idea to take down the wall leaving one very long room.

The north and south ends were in two different zones, each with their own thermostat. Any time someone fiddled with one thermostat without adjusting the other one in precisely the same way it would set up indoor weather patterns where one end of the room was trying to keep cool while the other end was just as desperately trying to warm everyone up.

Eventually the temperature controls were locked and employees were officially advised to "Just wear a sweater" if they didn't like it.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 11:24 • by Anonymous (unregistered)
WOOOO UNICORNS! Anyway, seen this happen too many times. Sounds like today's issue was a badly specified heat zone instead of a fundamental installation snafu, but I've seen far worse. On more than one occasion I've seen A/C systems where the thermostat was in a completely different room to the cooling unit. I've also seen A/C units fighting with each other because someone on one side of the room likes it hot and someone on the other side of the room likes it cold. So two or more A/C units sit there desperately fighting to reverse the effect of the others. I've found it's usually the hot one that wins and the cold one that dies.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 11:25 • by Remy Porter
312848 in reply to 312846
DCRoss:

Eventually the temperature controls were locked and employees were officially advised to "Just wear a sweater" if they didn't like it.


I once worked for a training company. The building management locked the thermostat, but students would routinely complain about the temperature. The solution?

We'd walk over to the thermostat, push the button, and say, "Give it a few minutes to kick in."

Consistently, the students agreed that it improved the temperature.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 11:32 • by bl@h (unregistered)
You guys are missing what happened entirely, with the lack of managers in the building bellowing hot air the room dropped to the comfortable chill level of Pluto.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 11:33 • by anon (unregistered)
312850 in reply to 312847
[quote user="Anonymous"] I've also seen A/C units fighting with each other because someone on one side of the room likes it hot and someone on the other side of the room likes it cold.[quote]

You mean like every day, in my office? Right now, they're at 75 and 71.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 11:44 • by CnC
I don't sympathize with people who like it hot for one reason. They can add clothes while I am not able to remove them.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 11:46 • by Remy Porter
312852 in reply to 312851
It takes a lot of finesse and smooth-talking to get someone to let you remove their clothes. But if you've got the skills, you are able to remove them.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 11:59 • by Jay (unregistered)
312854 in reply to 312813
Zylon:
Today on The Daily What the Grammar:

"He expected to smoke and flames..."


I thought the meaning was quite clear: He expected to consume a cigarette, and when he was told this was not allowed, he made a nasty post on a forum.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 12:02 • by Pete (unregistered)
So TRWTF is Ryan, there was a simple mistake where a sensor was placed in the wrong room. Rather than fixing the problem and getting the sensor moved he did a temporary fix and left it to the next guy.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 12:06 • by bz922x
312856 in reply to 312851
CnC:
I don't sympathize with people who like it hot for one reason. They can add clothes while I am not able to remove them.

The real WTF is that you are working naked today.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 12:17 • by Tom (unregistered)
At the very end of the dot com bubble, I worked for a very large commercial ISP, who spent something in the order of 180 million dollars building a state of the art hosting centre in Germany.
It had 3 customers, all co-lo, at its busiest.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 12:32 • by Anon (unregistered)
312860 in reply to 312855
Pete:
So TRWTF is Ryan, there was a simple mistake where a sensor was placed in the wrong room. Rather than fixing the problem and getting the sensor moved he did a temporary fix and left it to the next guy.

Read the story, the problem was that the zones were incorrectly defined, not that the sensor was in the wrong place. You can't expect Ryan to remap the heat-zones, he's not an HVAC engineer and he probably doesn't even have access to the zone-remapping functionality anyway.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 12:47 • by Steve (unregistered)
312861 in reply to 312860
Anon:
Pete:
So TRWTF is Ryan, there was a simple mistake where a sensor was placed in the wrong room. Rather than fixing the problem and getting the sensor moved he did a temporary fix and left it to the next guy.

Read the story, the problem was that the zones were incorrectly defined, not that the sensor was in the wrong place. You can't expect Ryan to remap the heat-zones, he's not an HVAC engineer and he probably doesn't even have access to the zone-remapping functionality anyway.

Plus, even if it was just the sensor you can't expect an IT guy to go pulling off sensors and re-laying cables on his own. If management found out he'd be in big trouble, you can't just start messing around with the A/C installation because you feel like it. It would also invalidate their warrantly with the HVAC company. I pray I never have to work with you, I might come in one morning to find all the network cables pulled out of the floor because you couldn't get network access and decided you'd fix the problem. TRWTF is you my friend.

Re: Venting Frustration

2010-06-24 12:48 • by DeepThought (unregistered)
312862 in reply to 312809
none:
OMG UNICORNS!

(Click "the Server Room zone is 64º")


This made me open up the source where I read the HTML comments. They are better than the article!

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