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Back in the 90's, Andreas was working on various SmartCard projects. Most of it involved programming 8051 microcontrollers. One particular project required him to replace magnetic stripe card readers with SmartCard readers while emulating the exact behaviour of the previous hardware. [expand full text]
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Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 09:29 • by John Doe (unregistered)
I was thinking exactly the same ("What was I thinking), when I saw my code, written last week, 5 minutes ago.


if (key exists in dictionary) {
do stuff
} else {
get item from dictionary (!)
do stuff
}


Anyways, it is some kind of chicken-and-egg problem for which I apparently haven't found a good solution...

Not a WTF...

2007-07-11 09:38 • by DaveK
... that's just self-documenting code at its finest!

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 09:45 • by guy (unregistered)
They where going to proofread, but they forger were they where.

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 09:47 • by 0x15e (unregistered)
This literally made me laugh out loud. I've seen and even left comments like that ... usually following an extended multi-hour debugging session in the middle of the night. They usually don't stay there past the next time I see them, but it sure makes me feel better to leave them in the first place.

I can completely feel where that guy was coming from there.

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 09:58 • by grammar-man (unregistered)
The WTF is that it should be "fewer" than 20 pages. Programmers can't speak English properly!

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 09:58 • by n9ds
I inherited a project once which had an agent called "UpdateTheStupidStatus" (with all the wonderful variable names like 'theDocument' and 'theTable'...but that's the topic of another rant.) I'm not sure if he was updating the status which happened to appear to be stupid to him or like an archive bit, setting the status to "Stupid." Only his hairdresser knows. Oh, wait...he's bald.

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 10:08 • by SurfMan
programming 8051 microcontrollers

That's a lot of microcontrollers :)

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 10:11 • by Sgt. Preston (unregistered)
144969 in reply to 144957
guy:
They where going to proofread, but they forger were they where.
I haven't the slightest clue what this was supposed to mean.

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 10:14 • by akatherder
I wonder if the curse word was ****'ed out in the actual comment.

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 10:14 • by akatherder
144971 in reply to 144969
Sgt. Preston:
guy:
They where going to proofread, but they forger were they where.
I haven't the slightest clue what this was supposed to mean.

Read the title of this WTF (What Where We Thinking?)

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 10:18 • by DOA
Short and to the point. The perfect comment.

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 10:20 • by Sgt. Preston (unregistered)
144973 in reply to 144971
akatherder:
Sgt. Preston:
guy:
They where going to proofread, but they forger were they where.
I haven't the slightest clue what this was supposed to mean.

Read the title of this WTF (What Where We Thinking?)
I grok the "were"/"where" thing, but "they forger"? Still mystified.

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 10:26 • by Martin V (unregistered)
Whats wrong with this?

DoNotEjectInInactiveMode EQU StatusFlags.7

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 10:30 • by Johnnie Cochran (unregistered)
If it is not set, you mustn't eject!

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 10:31 • by Sgt. Preston (unregistered)
144977 in reply to 144973
Sgt. Preston:
akatherder:
Sgt. Preston:
guy:
They where going to proofread, but they forger were they where.
I haven't the slightest clue what this was supposed to mean.

Read the title of this WTF (What Where We Thinking?)
I grok the "were"/"where" thing, but "they forger"? Still mystified.
Okay, I gather it's a typo. "Forger" should have been "forgot".

Lame pun + bad typing = failed humour

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 10:33 • by SpellChecker (unregistered)
144978 in reply to 144973
They WERE going to proofread but they FORGET (GOT) where they WERE.

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 10:35 • by cyberguy (unregistered)
144980 in reply to 144977
Ok, what guy was trying to do was make a funny by placing mis-spellings and grammatical errors throughout the entire line of his post. Come on, get with it.

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 10:38 • by Ben (unregistered)
That's NOTHING. What was I thinking ?!?

Keep an eye open for my stolen truck, please!

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 11:31 • by jgreen
144993 in reply to 144982
Ben:
That's NOTHING. What was I thinking ?!?

Keep an eye open for my stolen truck, please!


What a beautiful truck! I'm sorry to hear that it was stolen. Good luck with that, it sounds like you've given the police some pretty decent leads already!

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 11:53 • by dillybar1
145006 in reply to 144982
Ben:
That's NOTHING. What was I thinking ?!?

Keep an eye open for my stolen truck, please!


you can always hope it was Overhaulin!

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 11:56 • by notromda
The WTF is in the "while emulating the exact behaviour of the previous hardware" ... Or at least, that's a wtf I have encountered many times. How many times has the requirement been to make it work "just like it did before" when the way it was before was the wrong way to do something? The smart clients are the ones who actually listen when I tell them that they don't really want to do that.

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 13:27 • by Gedoon (unregistered)
145040 in reply to 144962
That's because in *NIX it's | less, not | fewer..

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 14:11 • by Drew (unregistered)
145051 in reply to 144977
Sgt. Preston:
Sgt. Preston:
akatherder:
Sgt. Preston:
guy:
They where going to proofread, but they forger were they where.
I haven't the slightest clue what this was supposed to mean.

Read the title of this WTF (What Where We Thinking?)
I grok the "were"/"where" thing, but "they forger"? Still mystified.
Okay, I gather it's a typo. "Forger" should have been "forgot".

Lame pun + bad typing = failed humour

Probably an intentional stab at Alex for relying on a spell-checker. Those are all dumb spelling mistakes that would make it past spell-check.

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 15:11 • by Simetrical (unregistered)
TRWTF is using an image with no alt text instead of styled text to display simple fixed-width styled code.

New Jerry?

2007-07-11 15:25 • by Sven (unregistered)
"new jerry 29.8.95"

Jerry Garcia died August 9, 1995 (9.8.95, to use that format). Somehow related?

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 16:32 • by FredSaw
145096 in reply to 145064
Sven:
"new jerry 29.8.95"

Jerry Garcia died August 9, 1995 (9.8.95, to use that format). Somehow related?
The new Jerry is no longer grateful.

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 17:56 • by barfman (unregistered)
heh, A buddy of mine who used to work at the company I work for was telling me a story quite a long time ago, and this story made me think of it...

he worked for a company a while back that was doing video games for kids. I think one of them was for Disney. Anyways, another guy he worked with left the name of a button control as CantChangeThisYellowFuckingButton. Who knows what the hell was happening that caused such a naming convention... But what happened afterwards is worth its weight in gold. The application ended up throwing out an exception to the end users (somehow making it through to production!) with this wonderful bit... "CantChangeThisYellowFuckingButton".

Doubtful that Disney (or whoever it was) was too happy about that...

(hopefully the guy reads this and posts the more accurate rendition of the story... --telephone game, you lose some of the tasty details.. funny stuff tho, imho. And a good reason why it's best to leave the dirty words for the comments section, and even better not to do it at all.)

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 18:56 • by Denis Troller
145121 in reply to 145115
barfman:
heh, A buddy of mine who used to work at the company I work for was telling me a story quite a long time ago, and this story made me think of it...

he worked for a company a while back that was doing video games for kids. I think one of them was for Disney. Anyways, another guy he worked with left the name of a button control as CantChangeThisYellowFuckingButton. Who knows what the hell was happening that caused such a naming convention... But what happened afterwards is worth its weight in gold. The application ended up throwing out an exception to the end users (somehow making it through to production!) with this wonderful bit... "CantChangeThisYellowFuckingButton".

Doubtful that Disney (or whoever it was) was too happy about that...

(hopefully the guy reads this and posts the more accurate rendition of the story... --telephone game, you lose some of the tasty details.. funny stuff tho, imho. And a good reason why it's best to leave the dirty words for the comments section, and even better not to do it at all.)


Well I know a game company where they were creating a game for kids based on a popular (around here) comic strip. One of the mini-games was to get rid of a woman's cloths somehow, down to her bra & panties.

Being the naughty perverts that we all are, the designer, programmers and artist decided to go all the way down, with graphics for the naked woman and each piece of cloth, and just block the game at the correct point. What had to happen, happened. During Q&A, some tester stumbled on a bug (or was it a forgotten backdoor/cheat code?) where you could undress the poor lady completely.

Let it be said neither the client nor the company's boss were happy about that...

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-11 22:53 • by Old Wolf (unregistered)
145143 in reply to 145121
Being the naughty perverts that we all are, the designer, programmers and artist decided to go all the way down, with graphics for the naked woman and each piece of cloth, and just block the game at the correct point. What had to happen, happened. During Q&A, some tester stumbled on a bug (or was it a forgotten backdoor/cheat code?) where you could undress the poor lady completely.

My old IBM XT had a strip poker game, but the images used were just stored as image files in the game directory (girl01.pcx, girl02.pcx, girl03.pcx, that sort of thing). Re-numbering them made the game a whole lot more fun :D

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-12 02:10 • by Nick (unregistered)
145156 in reply to 144982
Ben:
Keep an eye open for my stolen truck, please!

My dad is selling his car and had the same sort of offer, a cashiers check, only the check they sent was too much and they wanted a refund for the difference.

This all seemed a little suspicious, so my dad brought it to my attention and I did a bit of research on the Net and came up with various similar stories, Snopes summary: http://www.snopes.com/crime/fraud/cashier.asp

As you say on your blog, a cashiers check is quite worthless, it's no more secure than a personal cheque. My dad wisely told the buyer that he could pick up the car when the cheque cleared, of course it didn't, it was a fake, never heard from the buyer again after that.

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-12 06:58 • by Hans (unregistered)
145174 in reply to 144975
Martin V:
Whats wrong with this?

DoNotEjectInInactiveMode EQU StatusFlags.7


It is an improvement over the original, although I get the feeling there is probably much more to it and the lack of ejection is just one of its many side effects.

However, can I raise one issue with your solution: I hate this kind of negative variable naming. Sure, it looks nice at this point, but soon enough you will be going

if (!DoNotEjectInInactiveMode) {
...
}

...and that kind of double negative logic is confusing at best. Lately I have found myself trying to remove all forms of negativity from my source code (only where it makes sense of course), changing negative variable and function names, and replacing things like

if (!condition) { a; } else { b; }

by

if (condition) { b; } else { a; }

etc. And I find it does help with readability and maintainability.

Of course if you are a 'leet coder you won't not need no such anti-negative ideas...

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-12 07:37 • by Matthew Watson (unregistered)
145179 in reply to 144962
grammar-man:
The WTF is that it should be "fewer" than 20 pages. Programmers can't speak English properly!


Don't you mean "Programmers cannot properly speak English"?

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-12 07:46 • by Asd (unregistered)
145182 in reply to 144962
grammar-man:
The WTF is that it should be "fewer" than 20 pages. Programmers can't speak English properly!


Oh no! They didn't follow nonsensical and incorrect prescriptivist grammarian advice! The world is doomed.

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-12 09:59 • by RogerC
145196 in reply to 144966
SurfMan:
programming 8051 microcontrollers

That's a lot of microcontrollers :)


Oh yeah? Well, try programming 68302 processors. I've done that, and lived to tell about it!

Bah!

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-12 10:27 • by jon (unregistered)
145200 in reply to 144962
grammar-man:
The WTF is that it should be "fewer" than 20 pages. Programmers can't speak English properly!


He wasn't speaking.

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-12 10:27 • by Sgt. Preston (unregistered)
145201 in reply to 145064
Sven:
"new jerry 29.8.95"

Jerry Garcia died August 9, 1995 (9.8.95, to use that format). Somehow related?
Reminds me of my all-time favourite newspaper headline, appearing on the occasion of Jerry Garcia's death:

Head Dead Head Dead

Wish I could remember the publication.

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-12 13:57 • by Spacecoyote
145257 in reply to 145196
Thats nothing, try programming 65C816 microprocessors!

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-12 14:19 • by Frenchier than thou (unregistered)
145261 in reply to 145115
barfman:
heh, A buddy of mine who used to work at the company I work for was telling me a story quite a long time ago, and this story made me think of it...

he worked for a company a while back that was doing video games for kids. I think one of them was for Disney. Anyways, another guy he worked with left the name of a button control as CantChangeThisYellowFuckingButton. Who knows what the hell was happening that caused such a naming convention... But what happened afterwards is worth its weight in gold. The application ended up throwing out an exception to the end users (somehow making it through to production!) with this wonderful bit... "CantChangeThisYellowFuckingButton".

Doubtful that Disney (or whoever it was) was too happy about that...

(hopefully the guy reads this and posts the more accurate rendition of the story... --telephone game, you lose some of the tasty details.. funny stuff tho, imho. And a good reason why it's best to leave the dirty words for the comments section, and even better not to do it at all.)


Once, long ago, I had this web application which was mostly a website with some lists and a nice "what's up" box on the front page. The What's Up was a nifty scrolling javascript which was generated on the fly when the editor added/removed a notice in the business side of the site.

After testing, we sent the app to the public-facing server and by error the javascript for the test "What's Up" made it with the rest. Suffice it to say that ever since, nobody in the dev team ever included profanity (or sillyness) in their test sets again...

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-12 15:39 • by sir grammar (unregistered)
145274 in reply to 145179
Matthew Watson:
grammar-man:
The WTF is that it should be "fewer" than 20 pages. Programmers can't speak English properly!


Don't you mean "Programmers cannot properly speak English"?


Ah, but don't you mean: "Most programmers cannot speak proper English"?

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-12 15:54 • by newfweiler
145281 in reply to 144952
Sometimes unfortunate names are used and the programmer doesn't realize it's a bad name until later. In one program I maintained, the original programmer had a variable that held the transaction count. There are many ways to shorten "count", and most of them are polite. The original programmer hadn't noticed that what he typed wasn't polite until I pointed it out. Worst part: it was COBOL, so he didn't have to shorten it at all. He could have called it "TRANSACTION-COUNT".

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-12 16:39 • by Camden (unregistered)
145301 in reply to 145281
Similarly, I worked on a program where a previous coder had needed a variable for the exact sigma value. Of course now you could use "ExactSigma" or "SigmaExact". That coder must have been trying for the latter, but it being some early flavor of Fortran she was limited to six characters, and all caps at that, so years later I was left to wonder at the variable named "SEXACT".

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-14 06:19 • by Me2 (unregistered)
145590 in reply to 145179
Don't you mean "Programmers cannot properly speak English"?

No - that implies it is improper for programmers to English, whereas we all know that programming should alwasy be done in English. Of course, if its not your native language, this might
lead to meaningless comments, but WTF.


captcha: Yeah, really!

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-16 08:06 • by Nelle (unregistered)
like the "Pen Island" website :
http://www.penisland.net/

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-17 13:41 • by Fermat (unregistered)
I have a truly marvelous proof of the need for ExtraStupidFlag which this comment box is too small to contain.

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-18 07:50 • by bif
145891 in reply to 145257
Spacecoyote:
Thats nothing, try programming 65C816 microprocessors!


I feel so inadequate; I've only programmed 6502 microprocessors!

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-18 09:30 • by ROb G (unregistered)
145898 in reply to 144973
Possibly "forger" is a typo for forget. Just possibly.

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-18 09:35 • by Rob G (unregistered)
Brings back fond memories of trawling the source code for an old Text UI library called C-Scape, and encountering the comment "A squid eating dough in a polyethylene bag is vast and bulbous, got me?"

(Odder still, I actually recognised the quote from Captain Beefheart's Trout Mask Replica album, but still had no idea how it applied to the code in question).

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2007-07-18 12:55 • by Minos (unregistered)
145929 in reply to 145201
Sgt. Preston:
Sven:
"new jerry 29.8.95"

Jerry Garcia died August 9, 1995 (9.8.95, to use that format). Somehow related?
Reminds me of my all-time favourite newspaper headline, appearing on the occasion of Jerry Garcia's death:

Head Dead Head Dead

Wish I could remember the publication.


I believe that was in The Onion.

Re: What Where We Thinking?

2008-11-28 21:48 • by 855 (unregistered)
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