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  • The Nerve 2010-08-10 09:07
    As these comments will soon show, people are much nastier in their online personas than in real life.
  • logical.. 2010-08-10 09:07
    I haven't had time to read all the other comments so maybe someone has said this already..

    he sounded like a very easy-going-guy..

    you might even say that he would 'add value'
  • nonpartisan 2010-08-10 09:12

    I remember FidoNet. I used to be an echomail hub in zone 1 net 105. Lots of fun that was at the time! Zmodem, YooHoo, TSYNC, FidoNet Technical Standards, writing my own mailer (in assembly no less), ZedZap, DietIFNA . . .

    GAH!!! MAKE IT STOP!!!
  • Alargule 2010-08-10 09:13
    Alex Papadomilous Papamidilious Pammalicious Palladimious Papadipopulous Papadimoulis:
    Bert Glanston...Bert Glanstron...Bert Gladstron...Bert Glastron...Bert Glanstrom...


    Just curious: what's the guy's real name?

    --
    Note from Alex: Ugh. Well that was embarassing. Fixed. I should note, they all looked the same to me, with their red-squigly underline in Word!
  • frits 2010-08-10 09:14
    As far as I'm concerned, Greg is the crazy one. I mean, what dude holds a grudge longer than 15 minutes?

  • The Nerve 2010-08-10 09:21
    When conducting interviews, my boss was always overly concerned, insisting that we never cut short the interview of even the most useless of candidates. I think he was worried about discrimination lawsuits, but I never found out if his concerns were warranted. If they were, it would seem that if Bert Glad.* had found out they brought him in and never had any intent of hiring him, he could issue a similar complaint.
  • fjf 2010-08-10 09:22
    logical..:
    I haven't had time to read all the other comments so

    You haven't had time to read a single comment?

    Anyway, what did you say? Didn't have time to read the rest of your comment.
  • ch1gz 2010-08-10 09:28
    So where exactly is the WTF ?
  • amischiefr 2010-08-10 09:31
    This is one of the best stories we have seen in a while, and all you guys can do is nitpick over grammar. Thank you TDWTF, I really enjoyed this story.
  • GettinSadda 2010-08-10 09:31
    Greg depressed a button he had build just for that occasion, causing the lights in his office to dim and the dark and dangerous sweeping crescendo of a Danny Elfman soundtrack to start playing.

    Funny - the music that comes into my mid when someone mentions Danny Elfman is the Simpsons Theme, which would be rather odd here!
  • Ceiswyn 2010-08-10 09:32
    As far as I'm concerned, Greg is the crazy one. I mean, what dude holds a grudge longer than 15 minutes?


    I'm still bitter over my primary school teacher, 27 years ago, telling me off for pointing out to her that tyrannosaurs only had two claws on their forelegs.

    So... what was your point, again? :)
  • mike5 2010-08-10 09:32
    frits:
    As far as I'm concerned, Greg is the crazy one. I mean, what dude holds a grudge longer than 15 minutes?

    Another sign that he comes from an age with a longer att what's with the name? Is this one guy or three? But he sounds easy-going enough...

    Mike5
  • wtf 2010-08-10 09:32
    ch1gz:
    So where exactly is the WTF ?


    The guy remembered Bert Whatever's name after 22 years, that'll be a start. And he expected Bert to remember him, that's another.
    And that this guy was old enough to have had a lawn and lawn problems (and not, say, a face full of pimples) when he was playing with FidoNet. That he was looking for lawn care information on FidoNet in 1988. That was subscribed to a lawn care feed. That Bert Glantonbury (or whatever) was also subscribed to a fer-frack's-sake lawn care feed.
    How's that for a start?
  • GettinSadda 2010-08-10 09:33
    ch1gz:
    So where exactly is the WTF ?

    The WTF is that Greg forgot the important step - send him a rejection letter signed "SARUMANATEE"
  • Matt Westwood 2010-08-10 09:38
    GettinSadda:
    ch1gz:
    So where exactly is the WTF ?

    The WTF is that Greg forgot the important step - send him a rejection letter signed "SARUMANATEE"


    +1
  • highphilosopher 2010-08-10 09:40
    There was a time when this site stuck to code that people wrote, not stories made up by the admins. Are you really that low on content?

    (Not that this message will last long)


    captcha: damnum -- I'm done.
  • pallen 2010-08-10 09:44
    GettinSadda:
    ch1gz:
    So where exactly is the WTF ?

    The WTF is that Greg forgot the important step - send him a rejection letter signed "SARUMANATEE"


    Correct
  • bbsuser 2010-08-10 09:45
    PCBoard rules!
  • gramie 2010-08-10 09:46
    GettinSadda:
    Funny - the music that comes into my mid when someone mentions Danny Elfman is the Simpsons Theme, which would be rather odd here!


    Maybe that's because you don't know that Elfman writes a lot of movie scores too, like most of Tim Burton's movies, Terminator Salvation, all three Spiderman movies and dozens of others (although, to be fair, some of the others are not dark or violent).
  • frits 2010-08-10 09:47
    Ceiswyn:
    As far as I'm concerned, Greg is the crazy one. I mean, what dude holds a grudge longer than 15 minutes?


    I'm still bitter over my primary school teacher, 27 years ago, telling me off for pointing out to her that tyrannosaurs only had two claws on their forelegs.

    So... what was your point, again? :)


    You also may be crazy. Get to the gym once in a while or take a walk or something. Exercise relieves stress that can lead to obsessing on crap that doesn't affect you in least bit.
  • anon 2010-08-10 09:48
    highphilosopher:
    There was a time when this site stuck to code that people wrote, not stories made up by the admins. Are you really that low on content?

    (Not that this message will last long)


    captcha: damnum -- I'm done.


    What time was that? Non code, story style articles date back to June 04, a month after the site launched. I pretty much guarantee you haven't been reading since then.
  • Bert Gla[nstron|dstron|stron] 2010-08-10 09:48
    The Nerve:
    When conducting interviews, my boss was always overly concerned, insisting that we never cut short the interview of even the most useless of candidates. I think he was worried about discrimination lawsuits, but I never found out if his concerns were warranted. If they were, it would seem that if Bert Glad.* had found out they brought him in and never had any intent of hiring him, he could issue a similar complaint.


    Dear THE NERVE,

    In case you haven't noticed this is a grown up place, the fact that you insist on using your ridiculous handle clearly shows that you are too young and stupid to use the internets.

    Go away and grow up.

    Best,
    Bert Gla[nstron|dstron|stron]
  • Kensey 2010-08-10 09:50
    gramie:
    GettinSadda:
    Funny - the music that comes into my mid when someone mentions Danny Elfman is the Simpsons Theme, which would be rather odd here!


    Maybe that's because you don't know that Elfman writes a lot of movie scores too, like most of Tim Burton's movies, Terminator Salvation, all three Spiderman movies and dozens of others (although, to be fair, some of the others are not dark or violent).


    When I read the line about an Elfman soundtrack my mind went immediately to the shootout scene in the first Batman movie (where the Joker pulls out a revolver with a six-foot barrel).
  • fjf 2010-08-10 09:58
    GettinSadda:
    ch1gz:
    So where exactly is the WTF ?

    The WTF is that Greg forgot the important step - send him a rejection letter signed "SARUMANATEE"

    Yeah because he was certainly the only one Bart er Brad er Bort ever annoyed on FIDONet, so he surely remembers his handle.
  • momerath 2010-08-10 10:00
    wtf:
    And that this guy was old enough to have had a lawn and lawn problems (and not, say, a face full of pimples) when he was playing with FidoNet. That he was looking for lawn care information on FidoNet in 1988.

    I like that getting to 50-ish counts as a WTF to you. Would you prefer the alternative?
  • charles 2010-08-10 10:01
    Alargule:
    Alex Papadomilous Papamidilious Pammalicious Palladimious Papadipopulous Papadimoulis:
    Bert Glanston...Bert Glanstron...Bert Gladstron...Bert Glastron...Bert Glanstrom...


    Just curious: what's the guy's real name?


    Clearly, his real name was Greg. He must have been interviewing himself!
    Alex Papadimoulis:
    Without even a hint of sarcasm, Greg said ever-so-sweetly, “actually, I don’t think I’ve ever had a conflict with anyone.”
  • frits 2010-08-10 10:03
    In circumspect, I think we can all agree that the guy's last name should just be shortened to Glans, right?
  • wtf 2010-08-10 10:06
    momerath:
    wtf:
    And that this guy was old enough to have had a lawn and lawn problems (and not, say, a face full of pimples) when he was playing with FidoNet. That he was looking for lawn care information on FidoNet in 1988.

    I like that getting to 50-ish counts as a WTF to you. Would you prefer the alternative?


    That's not the WTF. The WTF is that he was 30 or so and couldn't find anything better to do with his time than FidoNet. It's about like seeing a 30 year old playing on Facebook today.... oh, sorry, some of you might take that personally.
  • Unregistered User 2010-08-10 10:06
    Sooo....

    Was this a story told from the eyes of the person causing the WTF? I mean imagine if you are someone who works there.

    So the hiring admin brought in this completely and utterly unfit person, insisted on interviewing him even though we already confirmed he was unfit. Had the interview and seemed to try to act like he knew the guy, but the guy didn't know him!

    When we asked the boss about it, it turns out around 22 years ago the guy trolled a lawncare forum the boss was on..and after all this time he still remembered him!

    Captcha: Verto.....vertigo's unknown lesser cousin.
  • Me 2010-08-10 10:07
    frits:
    As far as I'm concerned, Greg is the crazy one. I mean, what dude holds a grudge longer than 15 minutes?



    I agree. Greg can't have spent much time online if he remembers a tame flame war he was briefly involved in 20 years ago.
  • Anonymous 2010-08-10 10:13
    Matt Westwood:
    GettinSadda:
    ch1gz:
    So where exactly is the WTF ?

    The WTF is that Greg forgot the important step - send him a rejection letter signed "SARUMANATEE"


    +1

    +1 again, that one should be the Featured Comment.
  • Uncle Al 2010-08-10 10:16
    Me:
    frits:
    As far as I'm concerned, Greg is the crazy one. I mean, what dude holds a grudge longer than 15 minutes?



    I agree. Greg can't have spent much time online if he remembers a tame flame war he was briefly involved in 20 years ago.


    What?!? Doesn't everyone keep a notebook of the names of those who have offended them in flame wars so as to never hire th... Oh, wait, is this thing on? I mean -- yeah, yeah, that Greg is a real dweeb...
  • frits 2010-08-10 10:17
    wtf:
    momerath:
    wtf:
    And that this guy was old enough to have had a lawn and lawn problems (and not, say, a face full of pimples) when he was playing with FidoNet. That he was looking for lawn care information on FidoNet in 1988.

    I like that getting to 50-ish counts as a WTF to you. Would you prefer the alternative?


    That's not the WTF. The WTF is that he was 30 or so and couldn't find anything better to do with his time than FidoNet. It's about like seeing a 30 year old playing on Facebook today.... oh, sorry, some of you might take that personally.


    *Shakes fist* Get off my farm, err, lawn!
  • Bumble Bee Tuna 2010-08-10 10:17
    frits:
    In circumspect, I think we can all agree that the guy's last name should just be shortened to Glans, right?


    Yeah, the vas majority of people would find that more clear. In deferens to your suggestion, I will use Glans from now on.
  • The Nerve 2010-08-10 10:18
    Bert Gla[nstron|dstron|stron]:
    The Nerve:
    When conducting interviews, my boss was always overly concerned, insisting that we never cut short the interview of even the most useless of candidates. I think he was worried about discrimination lawsuits, but I never found out if his concerns were warranted. If they were, it would seem that if Bert Glad.* had found out they brought him in and never had any intent of hiring him, he could issue a similar complaint.


    Dear THE NERVE,

    In case you haven't noticed this is a grown up place, the fact that you insist on using your ridiculous handle clearly shows that you are too young and stupid to use the internets.

    Go away and grow up.

    Best,
    Bert Gla[nstron|dstron|stron]



    Dear Bert,

    Frankly, I am shocked and would like to apologize. I have no idea why his handle is showing up in my messages. The comments clearly indicate that no handles are allowed, and I don't have a choice as to what name is displayed on my posted messages.

    Sincerely,
    The Nerve
  • nB 2010-08-10 10:19
    We don't cut interviews short, but only because it would screw up the other interviews.
    We have four interviewers and will usually interview four people at a time, they just round robin through. If you cut it short then WTF do you do for the rest of the time?
  • ForcedSterilizationsForAll 2010-08-10 10:20
    wtf:
    ch1gz:
    So where exactly is the WTF ?


    The guy remembered Bert Whatever's name after 22 years, that'll be a start. And he expected Bert to remember him, that's another.


    I think that was added to make the story more fun. I can't even remember the people that I've ridiculed 15 minutes ago, let alone 22 years ago.
  • The Nerve 2010-08-10 10:21
    nB:
    We don't cut interviews short, but only because it would screw up the other interviews.
    We have four interviewers and will usually interview four people at a time, they just round robin through. If you cut it short then WTF do you do for the rest of the time?


    We get back to work, making money for the company.
  • someguy 2010-08-10 10:30
    Good story! Should've gave him an earful though :)
  • Don 2010-08-10 10:33
    Bert Glanstron was an older fellow, possibly in his late 50’s. He wore brown shoes, white socks, and brown polyester slacks that were a good three-inches too short. His button-down, short sleeve shirt was ledger yellow with thin blue, lines in a graph paper pattern and opal buttons trimmed in silver. As for the blazer, it was tweed and sported elbow patches. And it too was about three sizes too small for his portly belly. He also had a long, wispy beard, a bald head, and wore black, horn-rimmed glasses. All told, he was straight out of a 1962 yearbook photo of a math professor… with a little powdered sugar from the last interview in his beard.

    I have to admit... what with the crap-storm this twit raised; I had the exact image almost right (no glasses though in mine).
  • Ken B. 2010-08-10 10:34
    wtf:
    ch1gz:
    So where exactly is the WTF ?
    The guy remembered Bert Whatever's name after 22 years, that'll be a start. And he expected Bert to remember him, that's another.
    I don't know if Greg expected Bert WhatsHisName to remember him. Rather, it was a major case of curiosity to actually meet the guy.

    And that this guy was old enough to have had a lawn and lawn problems (and not, say, a face full of pimples) when he was playing with FidoNet. That he was looking for lawn care information on FidoNet in 1988. That was subscribed to a lawn care feed. That Bert Glantonbury (or whatever) was also subscribed to a fer-frack's-sake lawn care feed.
    How's that for a start?
    Sure, because nowadays you would post the question to "comp.lang.c", prefaced with "I know this is off-topic, but since many C programmers also have lawns..."

    Of course, he could have ended the interview with "while you're here, do you know anything about lawn care?"
  • Iie 2010-08-10 10:34
    This is the stuff of butthurt trolled nerd fantasy.
  • Greygor 2010-08-10 10:36
    frits:
    As far as I'm concerned, Greg is the crazy one. I mean, what dude holds a grudge longer than 15 minutes?



    Congratulations, you've just made my list, I'll get round to you eventually :-)
  • CMMI Snob 2010-08-10 10:39
    The real WTF in this story is not telling us what the fix was for the dead spots in the lawn! (The other not as real one is having to go through a f.+ing history of FIDOnet for the punters).

    I tried posting to the FIDOnet lawncare feed, but got kicked by someone named Bert Glad.*!!!
  • Ken B. 2010-08-10 10:40
    bbsuser:
    PCBoard rules!
    Yup.

    Directory of \\fileserver\oldsys_bbs\c\pcb
    ...
    08/31/1996 04:30 PM 17,214 PCBDESC.EXE
    08/31/1996 04:30 PM 121,802 PCBDIAG.EXE
    08/31/1996 04:30 PM 119,824 PCBEDIT.EXE
    08/31/1996 04:30 PM 318,992 PCBFILER.EXE
    08/31/1996 04:30 PM 159,462 PCBMODEM.EXE
    08/31/1996 04:30 PM 34,130 PCBMONI.EXE
    08/31/1996 04:30 PM 301,258 PCBNLC.EXE
    09/19/1994 04:20 PM 22,870 PCBNUM.EXE
    08/31/1996 04:31 PM 1,034,256 PCBOARD.EXE
    08/31/1996 04:31 PM 991,104 PCBOARDM.EXE
    ...
    (So, how do you get it to single-space?)
  • Raymond Burr 2010-08-10 10:40
    gramie:
    GettinSadda:
    Funny - the music that comes into my mid when someone mentions Danny Elfman is the Simpsons Theme, which would be rather odd here!


    Maybe that's because you don't know that Elfman writes a lot of movie scores too, like most of Tim Burton's movies, Terminator Salvation, all three Spiderman movies and dozens of others (although, to be fair, some of the others are not dark or violent).


    That's exactly right. In fact, I'm picturing the opening sequence of Men In Black right this moment, you know, with the dragon fly zipping along the freeway, and all I can hear in my head is the theme from the Simpsons. Thanks. Thanks a lot.
  • Brot Gnarfstroll 2010-08-10 10:40
    The Nerve:
    Bert Gla[nstron|dstron|stron]:
    The Nerve:
    When conducting interviews, my boss was always overly concerned, insisting that we never cut short the interview of even the most useless of candidates. I think he was worried about discrimination lawsuits, but I never found out if his concerns were warranted. If they were, it would seem that if Bert Glad.* had found out they brought him in and never had any intent of hiring him, he could issue a similar complaint.


    Dear THE NERVE,

    In case you haven't noticed this is a grown up place, the fact that you insist on using your ridiculous handle clearly shows that you are too young and stupid to use the internets.

    Go away and grow up.

    Best,
    Bert Gla[nstron|dstron|stron]



    Dear Bert,

    Frankly, I am shocked and would like to apologize. I have no idea why his handle is showing up in my messages. The comments clearly indicate that no handles are allowed, and I don't have a choice as to what name is displayed on my posted messages.

    Sincerely,
    The Nerve

    This forum is exactly what’s wrong with the Internet. They are dragging down the whole system with their idiocy! I insist that they are cut from the Internet completely!”
  • Ken B. 2010-08-10 10:43
    Me:
    frits:
    As far as I'm concerned, Greg is the crazy one. I mean, what dude holds a grudge longer than 15 minutes?
    I agree. Greg can't have spent much time online if he remembers a tame flame war he was briefly involved in 20 years ago.
    "You always remember your first time."
  • Ken B. 2010-08-10 10:45
    frits:
    wtf:
    That's not the WTF. The WTF is that he was 30 or so and couldn't find anything better to do with his time than FidoNet. It's about like seeing a 30 year old playing on Facebook today.... oh, sorry, some of you might take that personally.
    *Shakes fist* Get off my farm, err, lawn!
    Yes, Mr. Nebbercracker.
  • Ken B. 2010-08-10 10:46
    nB:
    We don't cut interviews short, but only because it would screw up the other interviews.
    We have four interviewers and will usually interview four people at a time, they just round robin through. If you cut it short then WTF do you do for the rest of the time?
    Eat the donuts?
  • SARUMANATEE 2010-08-10 10:46
    The Nerve:
    nB:
    We don't cut interviews short, but only because it would screw up the other interviews.
    We have four interviewers and will usually interview four people at a time, they just round robin through. If you cut it short then WTF do you do for the rest of the time?


    We get back to work, making value for the company.


    FTFY

    transverbero - whatever it is I am sure it's legal in California
  • Nihilady 2010-08-10 10:47
    @high(&mighty)philosopher - Not everyone who visits this site daily can read code.

    @TDWTF - Thanks for all the posts that cater to the less elite geeks :)
  • Smitty 2010-08-10 10:50
    Iie:
    This is the stuff of butthurt trolled nerd fantasy.


    QFT.
  • Anonymous 2010-08-10 10:52
    nB:
    We don't cut interviews short, but only because it would screw up the other interviews.
    We have four interviewers and will usually interview four people at a time, they just round robin through. If you cut it short then WTF do you do for the rest of the time?

    Duh, you eat the donuts which are/were intended for a meeting later.
  • Anonymous 2010-08-10 10:55
    Greygor:
    frits:
    As far as I'm concerned, Greg is the crazy one. I mean, what dude holds a grudge longer than 15 minutes?



    Congratulations, you've just made my list, I'll get round to you eventually :-)

    LOL that reminds me of the immortal alien in HHGG who flew around the universe insulting everyone, and checking them off on his clipboard.
  • bbsuser 2010-08-10 10:57
    Ken B.:
    bbsuser:
    PCBoard rules!
    Yup.

    Directory of \\fileserver\oldsys_bbs\c\pcb
    ...
    08/31/1996 04:30 PM 17,214 PCBDESC.EXE
    08/31/1996 04:30 PM 121,802 PCBDIAG.EXE
    08/31/1996 04:30 PM 119,824 PCBEDIT.EXE
    08/31/1996 04:30 PM 318,992 PCBFILER.EXE
    08/31/1996 04:30 PM 159,462 PCBMODEM.EXE
    08/31/1996 04:30 PM 34,130 PCBMONI.EXE
    08/31/1996 04:30 PM 301,258 PCBNLC.EXE
    09/19/1994 04:20 PM 22,870 PCBNUM.EXE
    08/31/1996 04:31 PM 1,034,256 PCBOARD.EXE
    08/31/1996 04:31 PM 991,104 PCBOARDM.EXE
    ...
    (So, how do you get it to single-space?)


    still up'n running?
  • WizardStan 2010-08-10 10:58
    frits:
    As far as I'm concerned, Greg is the crazy one. I mean, what dude holds a grudge longer than 15 minutes?

    This doesn't sound like a grudge to me. Did you miss the part where he ignored the erupting flame war, unsubscribed, and moved on with his life?
    Some 20+ years later, something triggered in the back of his mind and curiosity took over. To bring it to a modern light, surely you've read someone make a forum post so devoid of logic that you just couldn't help but wonder if this person is really that stupid in real life. What if you suddenly found yourself in a position that you could observe this person. Would you not at least be tempted to follow up? Or if not you personally, can you not see how someone else might easily be tempted to do so?
    That's all he did. He had such an opportunity and, out of curiosity, followed up on it. His curiosity satisfied, he once again let things go. If it were really a grudge, I'm pretty sure something more akin to the lights-and-music button scenario would have happened. Unless you have a different definition of a grudge than I do.
  • Old Fart 2010-08-10 11:00
    bbsuser:
    PCBoard rules!


    Renegade rules!
  • frits 2010-08-10 11:14
    WizardStan:
    frits:
    As far as I'm concerned, Greg is the crazy one. I mean, what dude holds a grudge longer than 15 minutes?

    This doesn't sound like a grudge to me. Did you miss the part where he ignored the erupting flame war, unsubscribed, and moved on with his life?
    Some 20+ years later, something triggered in the back of his mind and curiosity took over. To bring it to a modern light, surely you've read someone make a forum post so devoid of logic that you just couldn't help but wonder if this person is really that stupid in real life. What if you suddenly found yourself in a position that you could observe this person. Would you not at least be tempted to follow up? Or if not you personally, can you not see how someone else might easily be tempted to do so?
    That's all he did. He had such an opportunity and, out of curiosity, followed up on it. His curiosity satisfied, he once again let things go. If it were really a grudge, I'm pretty sure something more akin to the lights-and-music button scenario would have happened. Unless you have a different definition of a grudge than I do.


    I can see a grudge clearly in the subtext. The article makes every effort to paint Mr. Glans in a negative light. Additionally, bringing him in for an interview for a job he is clearly not going to be hired for is a big "eff you" in my book.
  • Cbuttius 2010-08-10 11:16
    Not much of a great WTF. Someone whose name closely matches that of someone you had a flame-war with over 20 years ago applies for a job and has "dated" skills because they have never had a chance to play with the modern toys. They turn out to be very skilled and knowledgeable in the skills they say they have, those on their CV, and probably aren't even who you thought they were.

  • Cbuttius 2010-08-10 11:19
    frits:

    I can see a grudge clearly in the subtext. The article makes every effort to paint Mr. Glans in a negative light. Additionally, bringing him in for an interview for a job he is clearly not going to be hired for is a big "eff you" in my book.


    Yeah you waste his time and force him to make a journey for no reason. You owe him a lot more than a free donut.
  • Code Slave 2010-08-10 11:24
    frits:
    As far as I'm concerned, Greg is the crazy one. I mean, what dude holds a grudge longer than 15 minutes?



    Oh, I don't know about that. I'm sure there's people here still with a grudge over MPS. Both his detractors and supporters. *duck*
  • Cbuttius 2010-08-10 11:25
    I wonder why Greg didn't ask Bert how he would solve a problem of a dead patch on the lawn.
  • The Nerve 2010-08-10 11:26
    I liked it. Plus, I don't really want to have to type in thedailyamusingtechstory.com
  • Davel23 2010-08-10 11:27
    FIDONet served as a dial-up based, distributed message board and was a precursor to internet forums.

    Umm... What? Usenet was around LONG before FIDONet.
  • e 2010-08-10 11:27
    You mean thedailyamusingtechorarchitecturestory.com
  • anon 2010-08-10 11:32
    Davel23:
    FIDONet served as a dial-up based, distributed message board and was a precursor to internet forums.

    Umm... What? Usenet was around LONG before FIDONet.


    And your point? Did it say FIDONet was the only precursor to internet forums? Would you claim that the 2009 Honda Accord was not a precursor to the 2010 Accord because the Ford Model T came out LONG before the 2009 Accord?
  • Anonymous 2010-08-10 11:44
    anon:
    Davel23:
    FIDONet served as a dial-up based, distributed message board and was a precursor to internet forums.
    Umm... What? Usenet was around LONG before FIDONet.

    And your point? Did it say FIDONet was the only precursor to internet forums? Would you claim that the 2009 Honda Accord was not a precursor to the 2010 Accord because the Ford Model T came out LONG before the 2009 Accord?

    Perhaps he's hanging himself over the use of "internet forum" versus "web forum".
  • jpers36 2010-08-10 11:47
    Old Fart:
    bbsuser:
    PCBoard rules!


    Renegade rules!


    O'Doyle rules!
  • basic 2010-08-10 11:50
    frits:
    In circumspect, I think we can all agree that the guy's last name should just be shortened to Glans, right?


    I don't think you know what circumspect means.
  • Mary 2010-08-10 11:54
    TRWTF must be this: why would anyone bother with FidoNet?

    It was full of officious assholes.

    Much more friendly to hit NirvanaNET over on &TOTSE.
  • JuanCarlosII 2010-08-10 11:55
    basic:
    frits:
    In circumspect, I think we can all agree that the guy's last name should just be shortened to Glans, right?


    I don't think you know what circumspect means.


    Inconceiveable!
  • The Nerve 2010-08-10 11:58
    I really like World War 4. Or is it WWIV? Or is it VWVIV? Or is it VVVVIV? Or is it \/\/\/\/|\/?
  • Flash 2010-08-10 11:59
    Bert shouldn't have put the doughnut back. He should have said: "It doesn't matter that I'm sitting over HERE, and your sugary baked goods are over THERE. And it doesn't matter that they're buried deep under a pile of papers. I EAT YOUR DOUGHNUTS!"
  • elamberton 2010-08-10 12:00
    I was expecting a WTF about SQL and Pivot Tables.
  • GreyWolf 2010-08-10 12:01
    There is actually an unexplained aspect - if Mr G*'s skills are so outdated, how has he been earning a living the last 20 years? I think something has been glossed over to make a better story - result, fiction.
  • DWalker59 2010-08-10 12:01
    Knowing modem escape codes and VT100 escape codes stuff like that was a useful skill *at one time*, many years ago. I used to know a few of them myself, but I have forgotten them.

    In NO WAY to I consider those to be "glory days". Just having to know all of that stuff seems now like it was an impediment to getting any useful work done. (Although, at the time, the useful work was probably to allow everyone to connect to the BBS, regardless of their brand of modem and monitor...)

    In any case, I have learned when it's a good idea to move on from my former interests, and learn new things. I used to love APL, but it's hard to write commercial software in that language...

  • Anonymous 2010-08-10 12:05
    INCONCEIVABLE!
  • G. Foreman 2010-08-10 12:10
    jpers36:
    Old Fart:
    bbsuser:
    PCBoard rules!


    Renegade rules!


    O'Doyle rules!


    Queensberry Rules!
  • frits 2010-08-10 12:18
    basic:
    frits:
    In circumspect, I think we can all agree that the guy's last name should just be shortened to Glans, right?


    I don't think you know what circumspect means.


    I think you're missing something...

    ...or maybe not.
  • Mr. Bob 2010-08-10 12:18
    Greg has issues.

    Does he REALLY have his FidoNet messages from 1988 archived and available for quick retrieval on the subway?

    Dragging in someone for a phony job interview to entertain yourself is the height of douchebaggery. He wasted the interviewee's time and his co-workers' time to fulfill his morbid curiosity about a mild flame war from over 20 years ago? Sounds like Brad Glasnost's advice to grow up was spot on.
  • Mason Wheeler 2010-08-10 12:24
    wtf:
    momerath:
    wtf:
    And that this guy was old enough to have had a lawn and lawn problems (and not, say, a face full of pimples) when he was playing with FidoNet. That he was looking for lawn care information on FidoNet in 1988.

    I like that getting to 50-ish counts as a WTF to you. Would you prefer the alternative?


    That's not the WTF. The WTF is that he was 30 or so and couldn't find anything better to do with his time than FidoNet. It's about like seeing a 30 year old playing on Facebook today.... oh, sorry, some of you might take that personally.


    OK, I'm a bit confused by that. I know plenty of people in their 30s who are on Facebook. Some of their parents are on Facebook too. What's strange about that?
  • Manger 2010-08-10 12:30
    TRWTF was the talking manger:

    “So you know how I get my boys donuts for the Monday meetings?” the manger rhetorically asked


  • OldCoder 2010-08-10 12:30
    anon:
    Davel23:
    FIDONet served as a dial-up based, distributed message board and was a precursor to internet forums.

    Umm... What? Usenet was around LONG before FIDONet.


    And your point? Did it say FIDONet was the only precursor to internet forums? Would you claim that the 2009 Honda Accord was not a precursor to the 2010 Accord because the Ford Model T came out LONG before the 2009 Accord?

    A car analogy! About time!
  • Bill 2010-08-10 12:40
    SAN DIMAS HIGH SCHOOL FOOTBAL RULES!
  • LadiesMan 2010-08-10 12:49
    wtf:
    momerath:
    wtf:
    And that this guy was old enough to have had a lawn and lawn problems (and not, say, a face full of pimples) when he was playing with FidoNet. That he was looking for lawn care information on FidoNet in 1988.

    I like that getting to 50-ish counts as a WTF to you. Would you prefer the alternative?


    That's not the WTF. The WTF is that he was 30 or so and couldn't find anything better to do with his time than FidoNet. It's about like seeing a 30 year old playing on Facebook today.... oh, sorry, some of you might take that personally.


    I don't.... I met your mom on Facebook.
  • Sutherlands 2010-08-10 12:53
    Alargule:
    Alex Papadomilous Papamidilious Pammalicious Palladimious Papadipopulous Papadimoulis:
    Bert Glanston...Bert Glanstron...Bert Gladstron...Bert Glastron...Bert Glanstrom...


    Just curious: what's the guy's real name?

    --
    Note from Alex: Ugh. Well that was embarassing. Fixed. I should note, they all looked the same to me, with their red-squigly underline in Word!

    Yes, well, except for the first one, that is.

    Bert Glanston, Greg thought to himself,
  • D-Coder 2010-08-10 12:58
    I think this story proves that only idiots use Visual Basic.
  • PiGuy 2010-08-10 13:01
    Can you say Schadenfreude? :)
  • CoderDan 2010-08-10 13:06
    ch1gz:
    So where exactly is the WTF ?


    Sometimes the WTF is in those who have been passed by, but can't accept it. Or worse, don't realize it.
  • whiskeyjack 2010-08-10 13:10
    Ah, Fidonet. Good times. I remember those days, dialing into BBSes, most of them in my area running Maximus software. And yes, I used Telix! I remember striking up a friendship with the sysop of one of the local programming-themed BBSes. I was, like, 13 at the time, but nobody (neither he, nor I, nor my parents) thought it strange in the slightest. It was an innocent time.

    I remember running into this one guy, who turned out to be a fellow student at my high school. He and his friends InSiStEd On TaLkInG LiKe ThIs AlL ThE tImE, wrote in homonyms ("eye like the weigh ewe right!"), ran an "elite" BBS that was by invitation only, and pretty much for the distribution of "warez". And they thought *I* was the loser. Sigh.
  • uuang 2010-08-10 13:12
    TRWTF is Alex typed the name over and over, instead of copy/pasting.
  • Anon 2010-08-10 13:15
    We used to have a guy working for us who I could totally see doing the donut thing. On one occasion, a meeting of the big bosses was happening and they'd left the table with their refreshments outside the room. Our guys come along and helps himself to a donut. The bosses (that saw him) where gobsmacked.
    The funny thing is, I don't think he did it because he's just that ballsy, I think he really didn't understand that donuts sitting outside a meeting room aren't open for anybody who wanders by.
  • Anon 2010-08-10 13:16
    uuang:
    TRWTF is Alex typed the name over and over, instead of copy/pasting.


    Indeed. I don't type anything anymore. I just have a text document open in word with the letters of the alphabet, plus a few punctuation marks and I just cut and paste each character individually. Saves me a ton of time.
    I got the idea while preparing a ransom note.
  • alegr 2010-08-10 13:26
    Anon:
    The funny thing is, I don't think he did it because he's just that ballsy, I think he really didn't understand that donuts sitting outside a meeting room aren't open for anybody who wanders by.
    I think it's you who really don't understand that donuts sitting outside a meeting room are open for anybody who wanders by. As long as nobody sees that.
  • alegr 2010-08-10 13:29
    basic:
    frits:
    In circumspect, I think we can all agree that the guy's last name should just be shortened to Glans, right?


    I don't think you know what circumspect means.
    My name is Glans, but my friends call me Dickhead.
  • Win 2010-08-10 13:29
    +10
  • Anon 2010-08-10 13:30
    alegr:
    Anon:
    The funny thing is, I don't think he did it because he's just that ballsy, I think he really didn't understand that donuts sitting outside a meeting room aren't open for anybody who wanders by.
    I think it's you who really don't understand that donuts sitting outside a meeting room are open for anybody who wanders by. As long as nobody sees that.


    Dear alegr,

    In case you can’t tell, this is a grown-up place. The fact that you insist on stealing donuts clearly shows that you’re too young and too stupid to be employed.

    Go away and grow up.

    Sincerely,
    Bert Glanstron
  • Calli Arcale 2010-08-10 13:34
    Anonymous:
    Greygor:
    frits:
    As far as I'm concerned, Greg is the crazy one. I mean, what dude holds a grudge longer than 15 minutes?



    Congratulations, you've just made my list, I'll get round to you eventually :-)

    LOL that reminds me of the immortal alien in HHGG who flew around the universe insulting everyone, and checking them off on his clipboard.


    Ah, yes. Wowbagger, the infinitely prolonged.

    "You're a jerk, Dent. A complete knee-biter."

    Adams also wrote a hilarious short story involving Wowbagger and Genghis Khan.
  • Obnoxious Frog 2010-08-10 13:45
    Ceiswyn:
    I'm still bitter over my primary school teacher, 27 years ago, telling me off for pointing out to her that tyrannosaurs only had two claws on their forelegs.

    Actually, I remember reading that no complete T.Rex skeleton has been found, systematically missing parts being the end of the tail and said claws. It is (strongly) assumed they had two fingers by similarity with another very similar Theropode -- Albertosorus I think.

    This said, the document in which I read that is over 10 years old, so new, more complete remains may well have come to light since then.

    Besides, who cares ?
  • Anonymous 2010-08-10 13:48
    Calli Arcale:
    Anonymous:
    Greygor:
    frits:
    As far as I'm concerned, Greg is the crazy one. I mean, what dude holds a grudge longer than 15 minutes?



    Congratulations, you've just made my list, I'll get round to you eventually :-)

    LOL that reminds me of the immortal alien in HHGG who flew around the universe insulting everyone, and checking them off on his clipboard.


    Ah, yes. Wowbagger, the infinitely prolonged.

    "You're a jerk, Dent. A complete knee-biter."

    Adams also wrote a hilarious short story involving Wowbagger and Genghis Khan.


    Found it, reading now. http://www.douglasadams.com/dna/980707-07-s.html
  • Matt 2010-08-10 13:52
    This reminds me of a time I interviewed a gentleman for a position years ago. The candidate was kind of "gruff" looking - not unpresentable, just a mildly unkempt beard and that type of thing. He was moderately qualified and likely would have made it to the short list of possible candidates to hire, until I received a follow up thank you note from him. Apparently not wanting to get lost in the shuffle, in his note he identified himself by stating that due to his unemployment and time to watch daytime television, through talkshows, he had discovered he was a closet butch lesbian trapped in a mans body.
  • Todd Lewis 2010-08-10 13:57
    frits:
    Ceiswyn:

    I'm still bitter over my primary school teacher, 27 years ago, telling me off for pointing out to her that tyrannosaurs only had two claws on their forelegs.


    You also may be crazy. Get to the gym once in a while or take a walk or something. Exercise relieves stress that can lead to obsessing on crap that doesn't affect you in least bit.


    I'm with Ceiswyn here. Two claws rules. How dare ride the child for knowing his stuff. I'll carry a grudge against his teacher for 444 fortnights!

    Seriously, I once got chewed out in the 3rd grade -- I mean in my face with spittle hitting my eyeballs -- for not doing homework that had been assigned while I was in the hospital having my tonsils removed. Yeah, I could have used two claws right then.

    Still bitter. A little bit.
  • eric76 2010-08-10 13:58
    WizardStan:
    To bring it to a modern light, surely you've read someone make a forum post so devoid of logic that you just couldn't help but wonder if this person is really that stupid in real life. What if you suddenly found yourself in a position that you could observe this person. Would you not at least be tempted to follow up? Or if not you personally, can you not see how someone else might easily be tempted to do so?
    On Usenet, there was one guy who proclaimed himself to be the world's greatest mathematician, physicist, and neuroscientist. You would think that if that were true, he wouldn't have to go to the library to look up the simplest facts about his subject matter.

    If I remember correctly, the first time I ever encountered him, he made the claim that the neurofibrillary tangles of Alzheimer's were tangles of neurons. In reality, they are tangles of a kind of microtubular structure inside the neurons. It's kind of hard to take someone seriously who claims to be an expert in a subject and the first thing they say about the subject is so clearly wrong.

    I don't really know if I'd want to meet him in person, though. I'd probably be too tempted to just egg him on for my own amusement.
  • bricon 2010-08-10 14:00
    D-Coder:
    I think this story proves that only idiots use Visual Basic.

    Thank you. Yes, that is exactly what I got from reading this story, too. Every story, come to think of it.
  • The Nerve 2010-08-10 14:12
    Anon:
    uuang:
    TRWTF is Alex typed the name over and over, instead of copy/pasting.


    Indeed. I don't type anything anymore. I just have a text document open in word with the letters of the alphabet, plus a few punctuation marks and I just cut and paste each character individually. Saves me a ton of time.
    I got the idea while preparing a ransom note.


    +1 Very clever sir.
  • MM Donuts 2010-08-10 14:13
    Anon:
    The funny thing is, I don't think he did it because he's just that ballsy, I think he really didn't understand that donuts sitting outside a meeting room aren't open for anybody who wanders by.


    Yes they are... if they weren't for anybody, they'd be inside the meeting room, on the meeting table, covered by a stack of papers.
  • The Nerve 2010-08-10 14:16
    Alex:
    No matter how much he watered or fertilized, he couldn’t get rid of a dead spot on his grass.


    Don't I remember this question from MindTrap? Dead Spot will not go away on his own. You have to haul him off and bury him.
  • Darth Bert 2010-08-10 14:18
    I have cut you from FIDONet! Pray I don't cut you any further.
  • Ken B. 2010-08-10 14:23
    bbsuser:
    Ken B.:
    bbsuser:
    PCBoard rules!
    Yup.

    Directory of \\fileserver\oldsys_bbs\c\pcb
    [...]
    (So, how do you get it to single-space?)


    still up'n running?
    Alas, no. Life got in the way, people found this thing called "The Internets", and we just let it fade away. I probably have the docs somewhere with what our FIDONet node number was, but I have no idea where. (I would assume somewhere in the PCBoard config files?)
  • Ken B. 2010-08-10 14:28
    DWalker59:
    [...]
    In any case, I have learned when it's a good idea to move on from my former interests, and learn new things. I used to love APL, but it's hard to write commercial software in that language...
    Not true! You could write an entire A/R, A/P, Payroll system in just 1 line!
  • Ken B. 2010-08-10 14:31
    Manger:
    TRWTF was the talking manger:

    “So you know how I get my boys donuts for the Monday meetings?” the manger rhetorically asked
    And they brought gifts of powdered, glazed, and creme-filled.
  • ARMed but harmless 2010-08-10 14:33
    1. Why does Greg remembered Bert Glanstron? Easy, you never forget your first FIDO/Usenet/etc. ...uhm... can't find a better term than the german word "Blockwart".

    2. Way better way to end the interview (You need a voice disorting gadget, though):
    "I've been waiting for you Bert Glanstron. We meet again, at last. The circle is now complete. When I left, I was but the user..."
  • ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢ââ 2010-08-10 14:49
    ch1gz:
    So where exactly is the WTF ?

    TRWTF is the SARUMANATEE has no balls.
  • Me 2010-08-10 15:08
    Anon:
    We used to have a guy working for us who I could totally see doing the donut thing. On one occasion, a meeting of the big bosses was happening and they'd left the table with their refreshments outside the room. Our guys come along and helps himself to a donut. The bosses (that saw him) where gobsmacked.
    The funny thing is, I don't think he did it because he's just that ballsy, I think he really didn't understand that donuts sitting outside a meeting room aren't open for anybody who wanders by.


    Er ... yes they are. Inside the meeting room they're off limits, but they're fair game when left outside.
  • will 2010-08-10 15:12
    The real WTF was that the guy only took one donut when he could of taken 2 or maybe three.
  • Herby 2010-08-10 15:14
    This should probably be somewhere:

    Moral of the story:

    Be very careful of what you write on the internet (or any public forum). People have VERY long memories, and if (when?) they remember you from a flame message, you won't like it.

    p.s. Don't eat someone else's donuts.
  • frits 2010-08-10 15:15
    Todd Lewis:
    frits:
    Ceiswyn:

    I'm still bitter over my primary school teacher, 27 years ago, telling me off for pointing out to her that tyrannosaurs only had two claws on their forelegs.


    You also may be crazy. Get to the gym once in a while or take a walk or something. Exercise relieves stress that can lead to obsessing on crap that doesn't affect you in least bit.


    I'm with Ceiswyn here. Two claws rules. How dare ride the child for knowing his stuff. I'll carry a grudge against his teacher for 444 fortnights!

    Seriously, I once got chewed out in the 3rd grade -- I mean in my face with spittle hitting my eyeballs -- for not doing homework that had been assigned while I was in the hospital having my tonsils removed. Yeah, I could have used two claws right then.

    Still bitter. A little bit.


    Wow I'm surprise you're so well-adjusted after being subjected to such intense trauma as a child. :)
  • Matt Westwood 2010-08-10 15:23
    Bumble Bee Tuna:
    frits:
    In circumspect, I think we can all agree that the guy's last name should just be shortened to Glans, right?


    Yeah, the vas majority of people would find that more clear. In deferens to your suggestion, I will use Glans from now on.

    ++1
  • uuang 2010-08-10 15:24
    The Nerve:
    Anon:
    uuang:
    TRWTF is Alex typed the name over and over, instead of copy/pasting.


    Indeed. I don't type anything anymore. I just have a text document open in word with the letters of the alphabet, plus a few punctuation marks and I just cut and paste each character individually. Saves me a ton of time.
    I got the idea while preparing a ransom note.


    +1 Very clever sir.


    Indubitably.
  • Anonymous 2010-08-10 15:24
    ƒÂ¢Ã¢â€šÂ¬Ã¢ââ:
    ch1gz:
    So where exactly is the WTF ?

    TRWTF is the SARUMANATEE has no balls.

    No TRWTF is that SARUMANATEE can't decide whether he's a wizard or a large, aquatic marine mammal.

    'iusto' - iusto be a wizard, but now I'm a sea cow.
  • Anon 2010-08-10 15:25
    Me:
    Anon:
    We used to have a guy working for us who I could totally see doing the donut thing. On one occasion, a meeting of the big bosses was happening and they'd left the table with their refreshments outside the room. Our guys come along and helps himself to a donut. The bosses (that saw him) where gobsmacked.
    The funny thing is, I don't think he did it because he's just that ballsy, I think he really didn't understand that donuts sitting outside a meeting room aren't open for anybody who wanders by.


    Er ... yes they are. Inside the meeting room they're off limits, but they're fair game when left outside.


    No there not. We're trying to have a civilization here. Unless somebody tells you they are yours, THEY ARE NOT YOURS.
    Especially when it's top management's donuts.
  • BC 2010-08-10 15:29
    With the Verizon/Google thing happening, fidonet again will become the land of free internet, thus making his skills relevant and prized.
  • zzo38 2010-08-10 15:38
    FIDONET and text-based BBS still exists, although these days it is usually accessed through the internet (rather than telephone lines), and the server software used is usually Synchronet (which is capable of serving a variety of protocols).
  • wtf 2010-08-10 15:56
    Matt Westwood:

    ++1


    Comment: unexpected type
    required: variable
    found : value
  • SuperousOxide 2010-08-10 15:57
    Not only was he wasting his own time, he also wasted another manager's time (and a box of donuts) with an interview he knew wasn't going anywhere.
  • Me 2010-08-10 15:59
    Anon:
    Me:
    Anon:
    We used to have a guy working for us who I could totally see doing the donut thing. On one occasion, a meeting of the big bosses was happening and they'd left the table with their refreshments outside the room. Our guys come along and helps himself to a donut. The bosses (that saw him) where gobsmacked.
    The funny thing is, I don't think he did it because he's just that ballsy, I think he really didn't understand that donuts sitting outside a meeting room aren't open for anybody who wanders by.


    Er ... yes they are. Inside the meeting room they're off limits, but they're fair game when left outside.


    We're trying to have a civilization here. Unless somebody tells you they are NOT yours, THEY ARE YOURS.
    Especially when it's top management's donuts.


    FTFY
  • da Doctah 2010-08-10 16:13
    eric76:
    If I remember correctly, the first time I ever encountered him, he made the claim that the neurofibrillary tangles of Alzheimer's were tangles of neurons. In reality, they are tangles of a kind of microtubular structure inside the neurons. It's kind of hard to take someone seriously who claims to be an expert in a subject and the first thing they say about the subject is so clearly wrong.


    Yeah, this isn't brain surgery, after all.

    Oh, wait....
  • hatterson 2010-08-10 16:48
    So is the WTF that he remembered the name of a guy who yelled at him on the internet 20 years ago or is it that, after remembering the name, he proceeded to waste company resources bringing him in for an interview and then bragged about it on a website?
  • RogerInHawaii 2010-08-10 16:56
    bringing him in for an interview for a job he is clearly not going to be hired for is a big "eff you" in my book.


    On the other hand, this fellow apparently actually applied for a job that he was clearly unqualified for. You have to wonder what the heck was going through his head.
  • bbsuser 2010-08-10 17:00
    Old Fart:
    bbsuser:
    PCBoard rules!


    Renegade rules!


    Anything that is not PCBoard stinks!
  • ƒÂ¢Ã 2010-08-10 17:15
    bbsuser:
    Old Fart:
    bbsuser:
    PCBoard rules!


    Renegade rules!


    Anything that is not PCBoard stinks!

    Your mother stinks!
  • Ricky Clarkson 2010-08-10 17:17
    The WTF is that Greg appeared to answer his own question at the end because the article got the names confused. In other words, Bert should have replied that he has never had a conflict, not Greg.
  • Mason Wheeler 2010-08-10 17:18
    da Doctah:
    eric76:
    If I remember correctly, the first time I ever encountered him, he made the claim that the neurofibrillary tangles of Alzheimer's were tangles of neurons. In reality, they are tangles of a kind of microtubular structure inside the neurons. It's kind of hard to take someone seriously who claims to be an expert in a subject and the first thing they say about the subject is so clearly wrong.


    Yeah, this isn't brain surgery, after all.

    Oh, wait....


    +1
  • Jeffo 2010-08-10 17:57
    Why is it that people with names like Bert Glanston always end up being nasty sorts?

  • gob 2010-08-10 18:00
    Steve Holt!
  • dnm 2010-08-10 18:08
    frits:
    As far as I'm concerned, Greg is the crazy one. I mean, what dude holds a grudge longer than 15 minutes?



    Absolutely agree!!! He wasted everybody's time.
  • GaroRobe 2010-08-10 18:39
    So sad. Both of them are assholes.
    Here in exUSSR we seldom call this "security guard's syndrome". In USSR people were forced to be "equal", thus anyone who's position allowed just any kind of authority (like, say, shop casher who could refuse to sell you meat just because something in your face annoys her - no joke!) often were intoxicated with it and excessively used it just for the fun of it - playing God in their own puddle.

    Dunno, to me both of them seem ugly here.
  • Lactose Lover 2010-08-10 18:43
    GaroRobe:
    So sad. Both of them are assholes.
    Here in exUSSR we seldom call this "security guard's syndrome". In USSR people were forced to be "equal", thus anyone who's position allowed just any kind of authority (like, say, shop casher who could refuse to sell you meat just because something in your face annoys her - no joke!) often were intoxicated with it and excessively used it just for the fun of it - playing God in their own puddle.

    Dunno, to me both of them seem ugly here.


    Uh...did you mean "often" where you said "seldom?" Big difference in meaning.
  • GaroRobe 2010-08-10 18:50
    Nah, 'seldom' is the word - it's not often-used (relatively), but (still :() wide-spread. TRWTF is that people who grew back then consider such behaviour absolutely normal - mostly eldery.
  • Grob 2010-08-10 19:00
    I am amazed that he kept a copy of that email from 20 years ago.
  • John Muller 2010-08-10 20:16
    The real WTF is they ended up hiring TopCoder.
  • sheldon 2010-08-10 20:18
    The word you're looking for is "sometimes". And maybe "doorman's syndrome".
  • wtf 2010-08-10 20:21
    Grob:
    I am amazed that he kept a copy of that email from 20 years ago.


    To be fair, if you read the article it doesn't say that he kept the email. That's why it's a "flashback".
  • Mike 2010-08-10 20:55
    I know that the Daily WTF allows a bit of creative license when telling the stories, but come on, this did not happen (at least not as described)
  • Lactose Lover 2010-08-10 22:16
    GaroRobe:
    Nah, 'seldom' is the word - it's not often-used (relatively), but (still :() wide-spread. TRWTF is that people who grew back then consider such behaviour absolutely normal - mostly eldery.


    I still don't think you used the word correctly, Comrade.
  • The 2-Belo 2010-08-11 00:16
    Alargule:
    Alex Papadomilous Papamidilious Pammalicious Palladimious Papadipopulous Papadimoulis:
    Bert Glanston...Bert Glanstron...Bert Gladstron...Bert Glastron...Bert Glanstrom...


    Just curious: what's the guy's real name?


    Kirk Langstrom, otherwise known as... THE MAN-BAT! *SQUEEEEEEEEEEK* *SQUEEEEEEEEEEEK*
  • GaroRobe 2010-08-11 00:55
    With "doorman syndrome" you definetely have a point there. WIth sometimes... aww, whatever - I've heard few variations and it's not like I heard 'em much - thus I wrote 'seldom'; consider it as my personal expirience :)
  • Pat 2010-08-11 01:02
    hahahaha. That would have been awesome.
  • Nick 2010-08-11 01:21
    WWIV?

    World War 4?
  • Kempeth 2010-08-11 02:48
    Waaaaaay overdone... Bert would hardly remember one of doubtless many flamewars from 20 years ago. What good is it to destroy your enemies in revenge if they don't know why it's happening. One of the sweetest scenes from "The Count of Monte Christo" is when he reveals himself to his opponents so they know who destroyed them and why. It just doesn't work for such a minor issue like a flamewar.

    After checking his skillset he should just have said something along these lines and sent him home:

    Dear Mr Glanst(r)on,

    I would like to conclude the interview now. I talked with my college after he interviewed you and I can say that we won't be hiring you.

    In case you can’t tell, this is a grown-up place. The fact that you insist on using your ridiculous outfit and don't know how to behave clearly shows that you’re too immature and too stupid to be working here.

    Your technical and social incompetence is exactly what’s wrong with applicants today. They are dragging down the whole industry with their idiocy! I wished they would all be banned from it completely!

    Go away and grow up.
  • Not Bert 2010-08-11 03:38
    Sarumanatee = epic win
  • Arancaytar 2010-08-11 06:07
    It is a frequent misconception that people who sound as though they are batshit insane or raging morons or both online are actually quite normal people when you get to meet them in person.

    No. No they're not.
  • dreadwolf 2010-08-11 07:33
    WTF are "buster brown loafers"? Not even Google could help me...
  • Zack Jones 2010-08-11 08:00
    nonpartisan:

    I remember FidoNet. I used to be an echomail hub in zone 1 net 105. Lots of fun that was at the time! Zmodem, YooHoo, TSYNC, FidoNet Technical Standards, writing my own mailer (in assembly no less), ZedZap, DietIFNA . . .

    GAH!!! MAKE IT STOP!!!


    I'm with you. FidoNet....wow those were the days. I ran Zack's Shack from San Antonio, TX and later Warner Robins, GA. In the mean time I was the Sysop for the Telix support BBS in Cary, NC.
  • Ajtacka 2010-08-11 08:35
    dreadwolf:
    WTF are "buster brown loafers"? Not even Google could help me...

    Really? I googled it (without quotes), and this was the first hit: http://www.busterbrownshoes.com/

    The site's under construction, but there's text at the bottom:
    One of the world’s best-known children’s shoe brands, Buster Brown took its inspiration from the massively popular comic strip adventures of Buster and his dog Tige. Since 1904, Buster Brown footwear has been pleasing children and parents alike with a blend of classic and modern style, quality, and comfort for growing feet. Today, Buster Brown kids’ shoes showcases the finest in footwear for kids from infant to grade school, all made with the same dedication to quality and style. Find a great selection of Buster Brown for kids of all ages on Shoes.com.

    Does that answer your question?
  • Me 2010-08-11 08:52
    Kempeth:
    I talked with my college...


    Why did he need to consult with his alma mater in this situation?
  • Me 2010-08-11 08:55
    Kempeth:
    I talked with my college


    Why would he need to consult with his alma mater?

    Alex:
    Bert… Glanstron… did I work with him? Did he go to my high school?


    See, he would have consulted with his high school, not his college.
  • badbit 2010-08-11 08:56
    I think the real wtf is that he still remembers a 22 year old internet argument.
  • Me 2010-08-11 08:57
    badbit:
    I think the real wtf is that he still remembers a 22 year old internet argument.


    Is it just me, or have 100 people already said this?
  • frits 2010-08-11 09:09
    dreadwolf:
    WTF are "buster brown loafers"? Not even Google could help me...


    Kids these days, with their flashing-soled-shoes with wheels on the heels...
  • PITA 2010-08-11 09:24
    frits:
    As far as I'm concerned, Greg is the crazy one. I mean, what dude holds a grudge longer than 15 minutes?

    My brother still holds a grudge against the doctor who slapped his ass at birth.
  • PITA 2010-08-11 09:25
    dreadwolf:
    WTF are "buster brown loafers"? Not even Google could help me...
    Seriously?
  • killerbean 2010-08-11 09:59
    ok, popquiz wise guy:
    you are standing in the hallway in front of the large pile of fresh donuts, there are no one, absolutely no one around you to ask if it is ok for you to have one donut, and you are starving. so, what are you going to do, huh? what are YOU going to do ???
  • KRB 2010-08-11 12:26
    This had the potential to be epic, but fell way short.

    Very anti-climactic.
  • Jay 2010-08-11 13:07
    wtf:
    momerath:
    wtf:
    And that this guy was old enough to have had a lawn and lawn problems (and not, say, a face full of pimples) when he was playing with FidoNet. That he was looking for lawn care information on FidoNet in 1988.

    I like that getting to 50-ish counts as a WTF to you. Would you prefer the alternative?


    That's not the WTF. The WTF is that he was 30 or so and couldn't find anything better to do with his time than FidoNet. It's about like seeing a 30 year old playing on Facebook today.... oh, sorry, some of you might take that personally.


    Yeah, or like some guy in his 50s who has nothing better to do then get on some web site and read mildly amusing stories about 20-year-old flame wars and post comments about them ... oh, wait ...
  • Jay 2010-08-11 13:08
    nB:
    We don't cut interviews short, but only because it would screw up the other interviews.
    We have four interviewers and will usually interview four people at a time, they just round robin through. If you cut it short then WTF do you do for the rest of the time?


    Like, duh, you get on thedailywtf.com, read the stories, and post comments, of course.
  • Jay 2010-08-11 13:17
    DWalker59:
    Knowing modem escape codes and VT100 escape codes stuff like that was a useful skill *at one time*, many years ago. I used to know a few of them myself, but I have forgotten them.

    In NO WAY to I consider those to be "glory days". ...


    Personally, I have fond memories of the days when I wrote my own ZMODEM program in C, and when I wrote to the screen by poking bytes into a memory-mapped screen image. Back then, you knew everything that was going on inside the computer and every byte that was being sent over the wire. I found it much more emotionally satisfying: I was in control.

    These days, everything I write is a call to a Java function that calls a Windows function that calls a BIOS function, with many many layers in between. I am very far removed from what is really happening.

    Sure, there's no way we could write the complex apps that we write today with assembler and memory-mapped IO.

    When I was a kid I laughed at the old folks who said, "Back in my day, we didn't have these fancy electronic calculators, you had to know how to do the arithmetic yourself ...". I suppose the young folks today will laugh at my reminiscing about the fun days when we had REAL computers, like a PDP-10 or an IBM-370.

    But your time will come. A few decades from now, the young kids will be laughing at that primitive Java and C# that the old man programmed in. And what's that crude XML thing! Ha ha! You silly old people!

  • Darth Boolean 2010-08-11 13:48
    killerbean:
    ok, popquiz wise guy:
    you are standing in the hallway in front of the large pile of fresh donuts, there are no one, absolutely no one around you to ask if it is ok for you to have one donut, and you are starving. so, what are you going to do, huh? what are YOU going to do ???
    Take the whole box! "What donuts? I didn't see any donuts. What's this powdered sugar around my lips? I don't know what you are talking about!"
  • Obi Want Donuts 2010-08-11 14:03
    Darth Boolean:
    killerbean:
    ok, popquiz wise guy:
    you are standing in the hallway in front of the large pile of fresh donuts, there are no one, absolutely no one around you to ask if it is ok for you to have one donut, and you are starving. so, what are you going to do, huh? what are YOU going to do ???
    Take the whole box! "What donuts? I didn't see any donuts. What's this powdered sugar around my lips? I don't know what you are talking about!"

    <waves hand> "These aren't the donuts you're looking for... You can go about your business. Move along, move along..."
  • Greg (SURMANATEE) 2010-08-11 14:39
    A little clarification here, as some liberties were taken to embellish the story I submitted. This first addresses the most common thing, "why did I hold a grudge?" Keep in mind this interview was held in 2000-2001, so it was only 12 year "grudge" at that point. :P

    I didn't really hold a grudge; I was just *intensely* curious. His real name was very unique, and had a name that has a kind of New Jersey-mob quality to it, like "Vincent Scarbolini" (which also not his real name). As I went through the stack of resumes, it seemed familiar, so I thought he had the same name as some actor. It was only when I looked it up on the web that I found a random news feed from 1992 that I suddenly remembered, "OMG NO WAY!" Kind of like your childhood bully showing up for an interview. You just HAD to see him, right?

    Back in the 1980s, his actions towards me, which really were only because of my user name mishap, were persistent and insulting. The sysop of the board acted on my behalf, but Vincent was so insulted, SO INCENSED, that I used a common handle instead of a real name that he raised a holy tirade that demanded that the sysop remove me and so on. I at first apologized profusely, which only made him angrier. He claimed I used "big words to make myself seem older," used foul language, vague threats, and eventually the sysop asked me to just drop off the board for a while just to get this guy off his back, and I could sign in under a new fake name if I wanted. I decided just to let it go; I had other boards with FIDONet feeds, anyway.

    As far as "wasting time" to interview him, he was already selected and flown in for an interview by the company. Why? He faked out the HR hiring process to claim he know more than he did (which was a common problem: you had to fill out a web form with dropdown boxes that didn't have "I don't know anything about this subject" as options half the time), it was only when he sent us (the hiring managers) his copy of his resume, we said, "Huh... we don't see a lot of... modern stuff on here." His former job, IIRC, was as a Lotus Notes (2.0 with MACROS... oooh) programmer for a accounting firm that had recently went out of business. He (along with 5 other candidates) were part of a "mass interview" of these candidates, went among the staff that would be responsible for working with him. I mean, one way or another, he was gonna sit in someone's office or in the lobby with the other candidates. He was being chosen for an entry level programmer-analyst position, so in theory, he could have been useful if he showed up well and seemed eager to learn.

    He was not.

    In fact, while the donut-eating part was pretty accurate, there were other problems he had. One of them was his wispy beard/mustache was a collector of all sorts of things, not just powdered sugar. For instance, it was difficult to see where his nose hairs ended and his mustache began. But the biggest was his "no technology worth noting has been invented since 1991" approach, which was the killer right off the bat. He seemed a little put off that every manager who interviewed him was younger than he was, and immediately felt that this was poor reflection on our company's image. I got the feeling he was looking for some "good ol' boy" former warhorse to hire him as a fellow who knew the glory days.

    The manager who lost the donuts was going to have him sit in the lobby the rest of the day, but I asked if I could meet him because "I just have to meet a guy who stole your team's donuts." Based on his name and anger, I expected Al Pachino or Joe Pesci, and got Abe Vigoda or Emo Philips. I was shocked that a man with such vitriol and bile was so meek and sad in person. I actually felt bad for the guy.

    And it was not I who had said, "I have never had a conflict," it was him. And the way he answered my question was, "I have never had a conflict with someone worth my respect." Okay, then. I had NO illusions he'd remember me, mostly because his war was mostly with the sysop of the board. I am sure that sysop was one of many.

    The WTF is that Greg forgot the important step - send him a rejection letter signed "SARUMANATEE"


    Hah. Sure. Like he'd remember. The next day, during a meeting where we discussed the candidates, I told the story to the other managers who thought it was awesome. I mean, what are the odds? For a few years afterwards, there were little cartoons passed around of a bearded guy chasing after donuts as a private joke between us.

    I wonder why Greg didn't ask Bert how he would solve a problem of a dead patch on the lawn.


    This I almost did. Allllmost... [gggnnnn]... But what then? All kinds of things did occur to me, including dark Danny Elfman soundtracks, dimmed lights, and OH SNAP! revenge. But I would have looked seriously immature and what happens next? Cut to next scene? Not in reality. I just acted like it was the standard end of an interview.

    Dragging in someone for a phony job interview to entertain yourself is the height of douchebaggery. He wasted the interviewee's time and his co-workers' time to fulfill his morbid curiosity about a mild flame war from over 20 years ago? Sounds like Brad Glasnost's advice to grow up was spot on.


    Yeah, but we didn't hire you because no one had used VT-100 codes to program online software in nearly a decade. You should have AT LEAST known was "xterm" was! Or actually, you know, GIVEN ME LAWN CARE ADVICE you old goat... ;)

    So is the WTF that he remembered the name of a guy who yelled at him on the internet 20 years ago or is it that, after remembering the name, he proceeded to waste company resources bringing him in for an interview and then bragged about it on a website?


    And you replied to it? Now I have also wasted YOUR time. Seriously, I am very impressed at your contribution. You sure showed me. :P
  • face 2010-08-11 14:52
    frits:
    basic:
    frits:
    In circumspect, I think we can all agree that the guy's last name should just be shortened to Glans, right?


    I don't think you know what circumspect means.


    I think you're missing something...

    ...or maybe not.


    "retrospect" is probably the word you're looking for...
  • frits 2010-08-11 15:06
    face:
    frits:
    basic:
    frits:
    In circumspect, I think we can all agree that the guy's last name should just be shortened to Glans, right?


    I don't think you know what circumspect means.


    I think you're missing something...

    ...or maybe not.


    "retrospect" is probably the word you're looking for...


    Maybe if I wasn't having a little pun with it.
  • by 2010-08-11 15:25
    Greg (SURMANATEE):
    A little clarification here, as some liberties were taken to embellish the story I submitted. This first addresses the most common thing, "why did I hold a grudge?" Keep in mind this interview was held in 2000-2001, so it was only 12 year "grudge" at that point. :P

    I didn't really hold a grudge; I was just *intensely* curious. His real name was very unique, and had a name that has a kind of New Jersey-mob quality to it, like "Vincent Scarbolini" (which also not his real name). As I went through the stack of resumes, it seemed familiar, so I thought he had the same name as some actor. It was only when I looked it up on the web that I found a random news feed from 1992 that I suddenly remembered, "OMG NO WAY!" Kind of like your childhood bully showing up for an interview. You just HAD to see him, right?

    Back in the 1980s, his actions towards me, which really were only because of my user name mishap, were persistent and insulting. The sysop of the board acted on my behalf, but Vincent was so insulted, SO INCENSED, that I used a common handle instead of a real name that he raised a holy tirade that demanded that the sysop remove me and so on. I at first apologized profusely, which only made him angrier. He claimed I used "big words to make myself seem older," used foul language, vague threats, and eventually the sysop asked me to just drop off the board for a while just to get this guy off his back, and I could sign in under a new fake name if I wanted. I decided just to let it go; I had other boards with FIDONet feeds, anyway.

    As far as "wasting time" to interview him, he was already selected and flown in for an interview by the company. Why? He faked out the HR hiring process to claim he know more than he did (which was a common problem: you had to fill out a web form with dropdown boxes that didn't have "I don't know anything about this subject" as options half the time), it was only when he sent us (the hiring managers) his copy of his resume, we said, "Huh... we don't see a lot of... modern stuff on here." His former job, IIRC, was as a Lotus Notes (2.0 with MACROS... oooh) programmer for a accounting firm that had recently went out of business. He (along with 5 other candidates) were part of a "mass interview" of these candidates, went among the staff that would be responsible for working with him. I mean, one way or another, he was gonna sit in someone's office or in the lobby with the other candidates. He was being chosen for an entry level programmer-analyst position, so in theory, he could have been useful if he showed up well and seemed eager to learn.

    He was not.

    In fact, while the donut-eating part was pretty accurate, there were other problems he had. One of them was his wispy beard/mustache was a collector of all sorts of things, not just powdered sugar. For instance, it was difficult to see where his nose hairs ended and his mustache began. But the biggest was his "no technology worth noting has been invented since 1991" approach, which was the killer right off the bat. He seemed a little put off that every manager who interviewed him was younger than he was, and immediately felt that this was poor reflection on our company's image. I got the feeling he was looking for some "good ol' boy" former warhorse to hire him as a fellow who knew the glory days.

    The manager who lost the donuts was going to have him sit in the lobby the rest of the day, but I asked if I could meet him because "I just have to meet a guy who stole your team's donuts." Based on his name and anger, I expected Al Pachino or Joe Pesci, and got Abe Vigoda or Emo Philips. I was shocked that a man with such vitriol and bile was so meek and sad in person. I actually felt bad for the guy.

    And it was not I who had said, "I have never had a conflict," it was him. And the way he answered my question was, "I have never had a conflict with someone worth my respect." Okay, then. I had NO illusions he'd remember me, mostly because his war was mostly with the sysop of the board. I am sure that sysop was one of many.

    The WTF is that Greg forgot the important step - send him a rejection letter signed "SARUMANATEE"


    Hah. Sure. Like he'd remember. The next day, during a meeting where we discussed the candidates, I told the story to the other managers who thought it was awesome. I mean, what are the odds? For a few years afterwards, there were little cartoons passed around of a bearded guy chasing after donuts as a private joke between us.

    I wonder why Greg didn't ask Bert how he would solve a problem of a dead patch on the lawn.


    This I almost did. Allllmost... [gggnnnn]... But what then? All kinds of things did occur to me, including dark Danny Elfman soundtracks, dimmed lights, and OH SNAP! revenge. But I would have looked seriously immature and what happens next? Cut to next scene? Not in reality. I just acted like it was the standard end of an interview.

    Dragging in someone for a phony job interview to entertain yourself is the height of douchebaggery. He wasted the interviewee's time and his co-workers' time to fulfill his morbid curiosity about a mild flame war from over 20 years ago? Sounds like Brad Glasnost's advice to grow up was spot on.


    Yeah, but we didn't hire you because no one had used VT-100 codes to program online software in nearly a decade. You should have AT LEAST known was "xterm" was! Or actually, you know, GIVEN ME LAWN CARE ADVICE you old goat... ;)

    So is the WTF that he remembered the name of a guy who yelled at him on the internet 20 years ago or is it that, after remembering the name, he proceeded to waste company resources bringing him in for an interview and then bragged about it on a website?


    And you replied to it? Now I have also wasted YOUR time. Seriously, I am very impressed at your contribution. You sure showed me. :P


    FTFY
  • CodeMacho 2010-08-11 16:43
    So, basically, Bert raped Greg twice,
    once in FIDOnet times,
    secondly stealing Greg's time?
  • Brwarner 2010-08-11 17:38
    Oh my god that would have been awesome.
  • capnrob 2010-08-11 17:54
    So, the WTF is that someone was cruel enough to raise someone's hopes for a job with absolutely no chance that he might get it - whether or not he was a jerk thirty years ago - just to satisfy mild curiosity.
  • Rourke 2010-08-11 19:51
    Did Bert/Vincent write the Wikipedia entry on WWIV? It's just a rant about FIDONet sysops. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WWIV
  • ionine_ 2010-08-11 20:15
    TRWTF is the last sentence of the "The Interview" paragraph.
  • it doesnt matter 2010-08-11 23:19
    elamberton:
    I was expecting a WTF about SQL and Pivot Tables.


    *I* was expecting a WTF about *WOODEN* tables!
  • neverends 2010-08-12 02:30
    ForcedSterilizationsForAll:
    wtf:
    ch1gz:
    So where exactly is the WTF ?


    The guy remembered Bert Whatever's name after 22 years, that'll be a start. And he expected Bert to remember him, that's another.


    I think that was added to make the story more fun. I can't even remember the people that I've ridiculed 15 minutes ago, let alone 22 years ago.


    Yes, but we remember YOU. You only need to remember that paybacks are a bitch. And you have a lot coming your way.
  • dreadwolf 2010-08-12 05:02
    Yes, it answers my question quite completely. Thanks!
  • Ling 2010-08-12 06:07
    Really looking forward to your work!
    refueling
    I will always support you
    http://www.air-max-shox.com
  • Markp 2010-08-12 10:23
    GettinSadda:
    Greg depressed a button he had build just for that occasion, causing the lights in his office to dim and the dark and dangerous sweeping crescendo of a Danny Elfman soundtrack to start playing.

    Funny - the music that comes into my mid when someone mentions Danny Elfman is the Simpsons Theme, which would be rather odd here!


    Yeah I'm thinking Orff's Carmina Burana-O Fortuna would be more suitable here.
  • Sarumanatee 2010-08-12 14:44
    No kidding.

    The post tries very hard to make it sound like Greg is "oh so cool", and Bert is somehow "not quite with it". However, reading between the lines, it is *Greg* that remembers the supposedly insignificant put-down from Fidonet days, while Bert has apparently moved on. Oh Freud, where art thou!

    The real WTF is Greg, not Bert.
  • Sarumanatee 2010-08-12 14:48
    Methinks that thou doth protesteth too much!

    Greg, look in a mirror. The real loser is you.
  • Easily Offended 2010-08-12 17:12
    You have insulted me, my family and the Shoalin temple.
    You must die.
  • Grammar Nazi 2010-08-12 17:22
    by:
    Greg (SURMANATEE):
    A little clarification here, as some liberties were taken to embellish the story I submitted. This first addresses the most common thing, "why did I hold a grudge?" Keep in mind this interview was held in 2000-2001, so it was only 12 year "grudge" at that point. :P

    I didn't really hold a grudge; I was just *intensely* curious. His real name was very unique, and had a name that has a kind of New Jersey-mob quality to it, like "Vincent Scarbolini" (which also not his real name). As I went through the stack of resumes, it seemed familiar, so I thought he had the same name as some actor. It was only when I looked it up on the web that I found a random news feed from 1992 that I suddenly remembered, "OMG NO WAY!" Kind of like your childhood bully showing up for an interview. You just HAD to see him, right?

    Back in the 1980s, his actions towards me, which really were only because of my user name mishap, were persistent and insulting. The sysop of the board acted on my behalf, but Vincent was so insulted, SO INCENSED, that I used a common handle instead of a real name that he raised a holy tirade that demanded that the sysop remove me and so on. I at first apologized profusely, which only made him angrier. He claimed I used "big words to make myself seem older," used foul language, vague threats, and eventually the sysop asked me to just drop off the board for a while just to get this guy off his back, and I could sign in under a new fake name if I wanted. I decided just to let it go; I had other boards with FIDONet feeds, anyway.

    As far as "wasting time" to interview him, he was already selected and flown in for an interview by the company. Why? He faked out the HR hiring process to claim he know more than he did (which was a common problem: you had to fill out a web form with dropdown boxes that didn't have "I don't know anything about this subject" as options half the time), it was only when he sent us (the hiring managers) his copy of his resume, we said, "Huh... we don't see a lot of... modern stuff on here." His former job, IIRC, was as a Lotus Notes (2.0 with MACROS... oooh) programmer for a accounting firm that had recently went out of business. He (along with 5 other candidates) were part of a "mass interview" of these candidates, went among the staff that would be responsible for working with him. I mean, one way or another, he was gonna sit in someone's office or in the lobby with the other candidates. He was being chosen for an entry level programmer-analyst position, so in theory, he could have been useful if he showed up well and seemed eager to learn.

    He was not.

    In fact, while the donut-eating part was pretty accurate, there were other problems he had. One of them was his wispy beard/mustache was a collector of all sorts of things, not just powdered sugar. For instance, it was difficult to see where his nose hairs ended and his mustache began. But the biggest was his "no technology worth noting has been invented since 1991" approach, which was the killer right off the bat. He seemed a little put off that every manager who interviewed him was younger than he was, and immediately felt that this was poor reflection on our company's image. I got the feeling he was looking for some "good ol' boy" former warhorse to hire him as a fellow who knew the glory days.

    The manager who lost the donuts was going to have him sit in the lobby the rest of the day, but I asked if I could meet him because "I just have to meet a guy who stole your team's donuts." Based on his name and anger, I expected Al Pachino or Joe Pesci, and got Abe Vigoda or Emo Philips. I was shocked that a man with such vitriol and bile was so meek and sad in person. I actually felt bad for the guy.

    And it was not I who had said, "I have never had a conflict," it was him. And the way he answered my question was, "I have never had a conflict with someone worth my respect." Okay, then. I had NO illusions he'd remember me, mostly because his war was mostly with the sysop of the board. I am sure that sysop was one of many.

    The WTF is that Greg forgot the important step - send him a rejection letter signed "SARUMANATEE"


    Hah. Sure. Like he'd remember. The next day, during a meeting where we discussed the candidates, I told the story to the other managers who thought it was awesome. I mean, what are the odds? For a few years afterwards, there were little cartoons passed around of a bearded guy chasing after donuts as a private joke between us.

    I wonder why Greg didn't ask Bert how he would solve a problem of a dead patch on the lawn.


    This I almost did. Allllmost... [gggnnnn]... But what then? All kinds of things did occur to me, including dark Danny Elfman soundtracks, dimmed lights, and OH SNAP! revenge. But I would have looked seriously immature and what happens next? Cut to next scene? Not in reality. I just acted like it was the standard end of an interview.

    Dragging in someone for a phony job interview to entertain yourself is the height of douchebaggery. He wasted the interviewee's time and his co-workers' time to fulfill his morbid curiosity about a mild flame war from over 20 years ago? Sounds like Brad Glasnost's advice to grow up was spot on.


    Yeah, but we didn't hire you because no one had used VT-100 codes to program online software in nearly a decade. You should have AT LEAST known was "xterm" was! Or actually, you know, GIVEN ME LAWN CARE ADVICE you old goat... ;)

    So is the WTF that he remembered the name of a guy who yelled at him on the internet 20 years ago or is it that, after remembering the name, he proceeded to waste company resources bringing him in for an interview and then bragged about it on a website?


    And you replied to it? Now I have also wasted YOUR time. Seriously, I am very impressed at your contribution. You sure showed me. :P


    FTFY


    FTFY^2
  • L.G. Davies 2010-08-13 09:57
    I'm sure all of us can remember a few confrontations from our younger days.

    Seriously, if you had the chance to take some light-hearted, no-consequence revenge on the school bully, would you take it?

    I would.

    I'll also bet that Vincent oops, I mean 'Bert' had kept transcripts of the 'glory days' too....
  • L.G. Davies 2010-08-13 09:59
    capnrob:
    So, the WTF is that someone was cruel enough to raise someone's hopes for a job with absolutely no chance that he might get it - whether or not he was a jerk thirty years ago - just to satisfy mild curiosity.


    Lucky he was still a jerk then, what are the chances... ;-)
  • Point of 105 2010-08-13 16:55
    I'm Dawgone Disgusted at anyone who used Fidonet those days.
    (Hoping this is seen by R.B.)
  • MarkJ 2010-08-13 19:12
    nB:
    We don't cut interviews short, but only because it would screw up the other interviews.
    We have four interviewers and will usually interview four people at a time, they just round robin through. If you cut it short then WTF do you do for the rest of the time?

    Feed them donuts?
  • MarkJ 2010-08-13 19:19
    The closest I ever came to one of these was a situation where a "contractor" disappeared after stealing a bunch of software and manuals from our office. He later had the gall to submit a resume to another business unit of our company (where I happened to work). I reviewed the resume and warned my boss to "run away screaming" from this turkey.
  • Jose 2010-08-15 18:30
    What son of a bitch that greg!
  • McMatty 2010-08-15 19:49
    Interviewer sounds like a jerk to me to be honest.
  • Sir Robin the Not-Quite-So-Brave-As-Sir-Lancelot 2010-08-18 07:02
    GettinSadda:
    Greg depressed a button he had build just for that occasion, causing the lights in his office to dim and the dark and dangerous sweeping crescendo of a Danny Elfman soundtrack to start playing.

    Funny - the music that comes into my mid when someone mentions Danny Elfman is the Simpsons Theme, which would be rather odd here!

    I was thinking of Howard Shore:
    "In the place of a Dark Lord you would have a Queen! Not dark but beautiful and terrible as the Morn! Treacherous as the Seas! Stronger than the foundations of the Earth! All shall love me and despair!"
  • Sir Robin the Not-Quite-So-Brave-As-Sir-Lancelot 2010-08-18 07:18
    Ceiswyn:
    As far as I'm concerned, Greg is the crazy one. I mean, what dude holds a grudge longer than 15 minutes?


    I'm still bitter over my primary school teacher, 27 years ago, telling me off for pointing out to her that tyrannosaurs only had two claws on their forelegs.

    So... what was your point, again? :)

    I'm still bitter over a chemistry professor who didn't accept my tetrahedron molecular model of phosphorus pentoxide. He insisted that the molecular formula was P2O5, while I maintained that it was P4O10. It cost me 1 point on that test and 30 minutes wasted time. He was right of course *cough* because he was also the author of several chemistry textbooks that were used in high schools.
    That was 14 years ago.
  • Shaneorama 2010-08-19 13:19
    That would've been perfect!
  • Alanis Morissette 2010-09-08 17:38
    killerbean:
    ok, popquiz wise guy:
    you are standing in the hallway in front of the large pile of fresh donuts, there are no one, absolutely no one around you to ask if it is ok for you to have one donut, and you are starving. so, what are you going to do, huh? what are YOU going to do ???


    Shoot the donut.
  • Bert Glanstron 2011-03-09 03:40
    last!!!

    for real akismet
  • svespie 2013-04-24 09:29
    GettinSadda:
    ch1gz:
    So where exactly is the WTF ?

    The WTF is that Greg forgot the important step - send him a rejection letter signed "SARUMANATEE"


    That would have been awesome. Unprofessional but awesome.