• david (unregistered)

    My first thought was that one guy actually writes the code, and 200 people then steal errr.. ask for his code.

  • JW (unregistered)

    Haha, what a recognizable phenomenon. When people search for solutions, they only find others doing the same! Most of them didnt use their own name in the postings, smart, because if i wanted to hire someone and find about this kind of "methods" to getting things done, it wouldn't be a 'plus' ;)

  • belgariontheking (unregistered) in reply to JW
    JW:
    Most of them didnt use their own name in the postings, smart, because if i wanted to hire someone and find about this kind of "methods" to getting things done, it wouldn't be a 'plus' ;)
    But you better hope they don't use that email address when they're applying for a new job.

    My favorite is the girl on one of the last pages saying she's emailing people teh codez

    CAPTCHA: ullamcorper

  • Vincent (unregistered)

    Haha, awesome. Though I can imagine some of them to be merges of other topics onto this one, it's still very odd...

  • Dave (unregistered)

    TRWRF is...why is it so hard to send an SMS from a phone other than with the supplied software?

  • Raven (unregistered)

    Can someone please email me code on how to post a comment.

  • Fiona (unregistered)

    The Java forum is like that through and through.

  • Leonardo (unregistered)

    Hi. I'm a student and I also need the code for a Java project. Can someone please email me? Thanks.

  • Bob (unregistered)

    http://smppapi.sourceforge.net/

  • The Needful (unregistered)

    And what percentage of the requestors appear to be from the subcontinent? Go ahead and flame, but my experience is that the originators of these kinds of requests are inordinately Indian or Pakistani.

    Offshorers, take note.

  • Lorenzo (unregistered)

    http://developers.sun.com/mobility/midp/articles/wma/

    first result on google, obviously.

  • Zecc (cs)

    Since no one else said it, I'll say it: IMO "Best of Sidebar" is a great idea and I'm looking forward for more.

    Thanks Alex!

  • mofo (unregistered)

    pliz pliz, email me at brdjar@mbormnat.net Me needs an lots of code to impressss managemnant and girlz Plz email me any-thing that has to do with JaVA progremming

  • Tigger (unregistered)

    Ahhh. Now I remember why I quit going to the sun java forums... The usual script is something like this:

    Post 1 I am a student/highly paid developer(where? where?)/lowly code monkey somewhere working on an exam/certification/job application and I need the code to support the answer and the answer. Please gurus bail me out!

    Post 2 A polite request they post the code they have so far.

    Post 3-300+ Slash bash thump bang! Why should I do YOUR work! Plus various ugly comments on the poster's ethic, ethnicity, out sourcing and certification. And replys by all the bashers to eachother (Ok, it's easy to get into bashing, it gets so old after awhile).

    post 300x Nasty reply by original poster saying (s)he didn't need their crappy help anyway and was only trying to prove that (various comments on ethnicity of replies) can't code anyway and see NOBODY POSTED CODEZ so it PROVES they can't code.

    post 300x+ - 400 Rants about how the replying poster is not going to be duped into providing code by such a simple ploy.

    post 400+ Taunts from the original poster, who has not figured out that they aren't getting code.

    post 400++ Reply from the original poster that they HAVE gotten c0d3Z from somebody n u all cn ged to hells. (Bold faced lie, of course)

    post 400+++ ad infinitum Plx email me teh codeZ Pleading

  • java.lang.WTFException (unregistered) in reply to Fiona
    Fiona:
    The Java forum is like that through and through.

    pretty much, ive spent some time on there as well

    half the posts are some lowpaid indian halfwitts constantly asking for instant fixes and illegal copies of e-books. Then there are a few knowledgable (but all too often pedantic) people around that try to help, or scold people for being idiots.

    I find it quite telling that like 75% of the posts on those forums are either by people with indian(ish) sounding names or e-mails... High tech IT specialists my ass

  • dlikhten (cs) in reply to Tigger

    plz stop teh madness!

    The first time i read that i was like... ok one page, not so bad... scroll down TWENTY TWO PAGES?!

    "Email me for the code, I won't sell it to spammers for 1/100th of a penny" (my favorite quote)

  • The Truth (unregistered) in reply to The Needful
    The Needful:
    And what percentage of the requestors appear to be from the subcontinent? Go ahead and flame, but my experience is that the originators of these kinds of requests are inordinately Indian or Pakistani.

    Offshorers, take note.

    I'm not going to flame you because you are completely correct.

    These no-talent H1-B/offshore idiots spew out the garbage code by the bucket full and do nothing but waste money and bloat project budgets with their moronic copy/paste junk. They suck.

  • rafbar (unregistered)

    I hate java forums, I haven't found any real answers there

  • Christopher (unregistered) in reply to Raven
    Raven:
    Can someone please email me code on how to post a comment.

    Remove me from this forum pls

  • shadowman (cs) in reply to Tigger
    Tigger:
    Ahhh. Now I remember why I quit going to the sun java forums... The usual script is something like this:

    Post 1 I am a student/highly paid developer(where? where?)/lowly code monkey somewhere working on an exam/certification/job application and I need the code to support the answer and the answer. Please gurus bail me out!

    Heh. I posted an example of this from usenet in the general forums here a few weeks back. What was really interesting about this one is that someone posted a response with ALL WRONG answers and the OP apparently fell for it!

    It's worth a read:

    Link to Google Groups

  • With a Side of Fries plz (unregistered)

    This I just don't understand. It's not like you can just drop "teh codez" jar in and BadaBoom BadaBing it works. There will not be any documentation, so teh codez will have to be read and understood. Anyone who can do that does not need teh codez, as they can RTG and RTM.

  • Steve (unregistered)

    Note to all the India and China bashers: about 75 percent of my colleagues and co-workers here at the University of California, San Diego are of Asian or East Asian extraction. Most of them have advanced degrees and are freaking brilliant. Pick up an IEEE or ACM journal some day and look at the authors of the papers, some day.

    Without them, most of our labs would dry up and blow away.

    Their language skills may leave something to be desired but I don't speak Mandarin or Urdu all that well, myself, so they're a couple of notches on the accomplishment scale there, too.

  • Publius (unregistered) in reply to The Needful
    The Needful:
    And what percentage of the requestors appear to be from the subcontinent? Go ahead and flame, but my experience is that the originators of these kinds of requests are inordinately Indian or Pakistani.

    Exactly! I've seen much worse than this post, and they'll post their questions in an article that's not remotely relevant. Like a Microsoft MVP (not even an employee) made a post about how Visual Basic was having its 10th birthday, he didn't even discuss code, but he had 10 pages of comments like "Dear sir, Kindly give me the vbcode, how to cofigure USB port. I am using Righttag scanner to read & write data into tag using vbapplication. Here is my e-mail address: khalid_hanifm@yahoo.com. thanx."

    Also, if you go to http://indiansex4u.com/ (NSFW, a message board where Indians post gross amateur porn of their wives), all of the comments are Indians talking to the women in the pornographic images, as if they think the women in the pictures actually live inside the webpage. "Hello my friend nice the sexy lady! I have 9 inch huge rod 4 u, how u liek tht? email me farzadmn2@yahoo.com plz".

    This phenomenon of addressing the women in sexy images as real people inside the computer is characteristic of Brasilians too, except that Brasilians don't bother speaking English, so they take their delusion a step further in thinking that a sexy American woman not only lives inside the webpage, but that she speaks Portuguese and is seriously tempted to move back to Brasil with him and live in his favela.

  • Lothar (unregistered)

    Hm, when looking to the actual forum-page you see the following post:

    Yes it possible very much possible i have done many times now give ur e-mail i will mail it to u.

    All the please for the source where posted after that post and explains a lot in my eyes. But leaving it away brings up a quite funny article. So the only WTF here in my eyes is Sidebar leaving aways essential parts to sex up a story.

  • Another Kevin (unregistered)

    Hmmm. The real WTF is that the original poster didn't do his research first.

    I find that questions of the form: "My Google-fu is failing me; searching on keywords xxx, yyyy, and zzzzz has not turned up anything promising. Can someone point me to code or documentation on how to frobnicate the potrzebie?" still generates a better grade of answer. And somehow manages to avoid a cascade of "me too" responses. Maybe I'm just lucky.

    Captcha: 'nibh.' Another WTF? I've seen it in Lorem Ipsum text, but it's a nonsense word in Latin too!

  • rafbar (unregistered) in reply to Publius
    Publius:
    Also, if you go to http://indiansex4u.com/ (NSFW, a message board where Indians post gross amateur porn of their wives), all of the comments are Indians talking to the women in the pornographic images, as if they think the women in the pictures actually live inside the webpage.

    That was gross... true... but gross

  • dkf (unregistered) in reply to Steve
    Steve:
    Note to all the India and China bashers: about 75 percent of my colleagues and co-workers here at the University of California, San Diego are of Asian or East Asian extraction. Most of them have advanced degrees and are freaking brilliant.
    But there's a lot of WTF?! material out there from those countries too. Nobody's got a monopoly on Stupid. (Damn!)
  • Pete (unregistered) in reply to Steve

    Problem is, most of the 'freaking brilliant' people aren't posting on such forums, and thusly, are not the ones being derided.

  • robaker (unregistered)

    If someone were to post some malicious 'codes' in response, how many of them would just paste it in and run it?

  • With a Side of Fries plz (unregistered) in reply to robaker

    I'm sure a lot of rubber jars get sent out this way.

  • brian t (unregistered)

    You know what I see? I see a lot of script kiddies looking to write a mobile virus. What legitimate application is there in sending SMS programmatically? Sending SMS potentially costs the sender money, remember, I NEVER want my phone doing it on its own.

  • George (unregistered) in reply to Lorenzo

    Of Course when the request was originally made in 2001 Sun was not so well organized or quite so aware of what it means to release partial information. I remember looking for information at this time and being very frustrated with not being able to find it at sun.

    Wait 3-6 Months and look again, and everything I need is laid out beautifully... Thankfully that lead time is getting smaller and smaller all the time.

  • The Needful (unregistered) in reply to Pete

    Exactly. It's not a blanket statement I was making, but an observation. I've worked with brilliant coders of many different ethnicities.

    My point is that when companies outsource to these offshore -- or even near-shore and onshore -- developers they don't know what they're getting. Most of these offshore body shops are recruiting "freshers" directly off the campuses of local schools and throwing these kids right into development of -- in some cases -- mission-critical projects from thousands of miles away with only specs from which to work. These "freshers" get their nine months (average) of experience and then move on to other places, often leaving crap code in their wake. How can one be sure that these "plz send me the codes" people aren't working on their project?

  • Otterdam (cs)

    The best post on that thread was missed, however (about halfway down, by filestream)

    http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=150293&start=315&tstart=0

  • Tigger (unregistered) in reply to robaker

    <If someone were to post some malicious 'codes' in response, how many of them would just paste it in and run it?>

    Uh, lots of them, judging by the forums I've been part of. I was part of a sourceforge project for a web service interface that I really had high hopes for.

    I quit because I was tired of an email box full of requests to explain in detail what was in the (very good) documentation. The requesters had typically BSd their way into jobs by inflated skillz and the idea that all americans are fat idiots with no idea how to understand anything as esoteric as code.

    Sadly, my other "handle" lead them to believe I was a compatriot (Israeli is the same as fill in any part if Indian subcontient, right?).

    Not bashing anybody ethnically. I work with some awesome coders from all over the world, but those forums seem to attract people with a bloated sense of entitlement (from everywhere).

  • David C. (unregistered)

    Reminds me of my days when I used to help people in many newsgroups. There were a scary number of questions that were obviously a case of:

    • A student trying to cheat, by getting other people to do his homework
    • A lazy programmer trying to get other people to do his job

    When I'd respond by pointing out the relevant APIs and appropriate usage, but without sending over a fully-tested piece of code, I'd get back all kinds of flames in response.

    I suppose I should've sent back broken code. These idiots would probably use it without even reading it, let alone testing. Let the failing grade be punishment for cheating.

  • Yeah, like, whatever. (unregistered) in reply to With a Side of Fries plz
    With a Side of Fries plz:
    This I just don't understand. It's not like you can just drop "teh codez" jar in and BadaBoom BadaBing it works. There will *not* be any documentation, so teh codez will have to be read and understood. Anyone who can do that does not need teh codez, as they can RTG and RTM.

    Not necessarily true. I can't write perl code to save my life, but I can read through and understand perl scripts to a reasonable extent, and make minor modifications to them to suit.

  • Me Too! (unregistered)

    Hey, Please email me this post too!

  • Tei (unregistered)

    Yea. Lowlife can be really low. No standars, netiquette, learning habbits, nothing.

    GRRRR...

    What I really hate is stupid people posting ...chain-letters (or piramid schemes) ... in html, ...to programming mail list, ...with binary attachements. I want to fucking KILL these morons.

  • Rick (cs)

    I have noticed that Perl forum questions are usually answered helpfully and Java forum questions are usually not. I am very curious as to the psychology behind this phenomenon. Any insights?

  • Tei (unregistered)

    You can send SMS messages trough email. is called email2sms gateways. Are paid servides.

  • Ryu (unregistered) in reply to robaker

    lots, I suppose.

  • DOA (cs) in reply to The Needful
    The Needful:
    And what percentage of the requestors appear to be from the subcontinent? Go ahead and flame, but my experience is that the originators of these kinds of requests are inordinately Indian or Pakistani.

    Offshorers, take note.

    Don't you just love it when Americans talk about offshorers online? Like the internet is located in the US and the rest of us are simply tapping in? You do realize that to the vast majority of the world population you're the offshorer, right?

  • akatherder (cs) in reply to David C.
    David C.:
    * A student trying to cheat, by getting other people to do his homework

    I don't have any problem helping out students. There are usually two major groups of students.

    One is the clueless variety. I help them out by recommending they switch majors if they haven't caught on to the rudimentary concepts required to answer their question.

    The other is the legitimate students who have done their homework, but have a question about a specific component they can't get to work.

  • Critter (cs) in reply to Steve

    I suspect that the real WTF here is not the language skills of the posters, but rather the complete uselessness of the thread.

    Personally, I find it really irritating when I go googling for something and all I can find are a bunch of forums where the first post is a question and all subsequent posts, without exception, are either "I need this too" or "Anybody?!?". It tells me only that I am not alone, but does not get me any closer to solving the problem.

  • Dave (unregistered) in reply to DOA
    DOA:
    The Needful:
    Offshorers, take note.

    Don't you just love it when Americans talk about offshorers online? Like the internet is located in the US and the rest of us are simply tapping in? You do realize that to the vast majority of the world population you're the offshorer, right?

    No, the offshorer would be the person who would give hire someone from another country to do work - not a person from another country.

  • krupa (unregistered) in reply to Critter
    Critter:
    I suspect that the real WTF here is not the language skills of the posters, but rather the complete uselessness of the thread.

    Personally, I find it really irritating when I go googling for something and all I can find are a bunch of forums where the first post is a question and all subsequent posts, without exception, are either "I need this too" or "Anybody?!?". It tells me only that I am not alone, but does not get me any closer to solving the problem.

    I've hit this so often that when someone actually goes back and posts a solution, I take the time to post a "Thank You". Unfortunately, I can only think of one time where I actually could do it.
  • A Nonny Mouse (unregistered) in reply to brian t
    brian t:
    What legitimate application is there in sending SMS programmatically? Sending SMS potentially costs the sender money, remember, I NEVER want my phone doing it on its own.

    sorry, what? have you never had automated sports updates, used a directory service, had responses from competition entry numbers, used query service like AQA?

  • Jdubya (unregistered) in reply to robaker
    robaker:
    If someone were to post some malicious 'codes' in response, how many of them would just paste it in and run it?

    Better question... How many wouldn't?

  • seaturnip (cs) in reply to Yeah, like, whatever.
    Yeah:
    With a Side of Fries plz:
    This I just don't understand. It's not like you can just drop "teh codez" jar in and BadaBoom BadaBing it works. There will *not* be any documentation, so teh codez will have to be read and understood. Anyone who can do that does not need teh codez, as they can RTG and RTM.

    Not necessarily true. I can't write perl code to save my life, but I can read through and understand perl scripts to a reasonable extent, and make minor modifications to them to suit.

    Sure, but I bet you are talking about either code carefully packaged for release on a website, or code that is part of a larger application that you already have set up and working. The kind of code you are likely to receive in an email from some random guy is going to be something poorly documented and torn from an incompatible application not tailored to your needs. Thus, it will likely require major modification (possibly even a complete rewrite that is merely inspired from the existing code).

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