plz email me teh codez

  • david 2007-12-13 08:42
    My first thought was that one guy actually writes the code, and 200 people then steal errr.. ask for his code.
  • JW 2007-12-13 08:42
    Haha, what a recognizable phenomenon. When people search for solutions, they only find others doing the same!
    Most of them didnt use their own name in the postings, smart, because if i wanted to hire someone and find about this kind of "methods" to getting things done, it wouldn't be a 'plus' ;)
  • belgariontheking 2007-12-13 08:53
    JW:

    Most of them didnt use their own name in the postings, smart, because if i wanted to hire someone and find about this kind of "methods" to getting things done, it wouldn't be a 'plus' ;)

    But you better hope they don't use that email address when they're applying for a new job.

    My favorite is the girl on one of the last pages saying she's emailing people teh codez

    CAPTCHA: ullamcorper
  • Vincent 2007-12-13 08:55
    Haha, awesome. Though I can imagine some of them to be merges of other topics onto this one, it's still very odd...
  • Dave 2007-12-13 08:59
    TRWRF is...why is it so hard to send an SMS from a phone other than with the supplied software?
  • Raven 2007-12-13 09:00
    Can someone please email me code on how to post a comment.
  • Fiona 2007-12-13 09:02
    The Java forum is like that through and through.
  • Leonardo 2007-12-13 09:04
    Hi. I'm a student and I also need the code for a Java project. Can someone please email me? Thanks.
  • Bob 2007-12-13 09:10
    http://smppapi.sourceforge.net/
  • The Needful 2007-12-13 09:10
    And what percentage of the requestors appear to be from the subcontinent? Go ahead and flame, but my experience is that the originators of these kinds of requests are inordinately Indian or Pakistani.

    Offshorers, take note.
  • Lorenzo 2007-12-13 09:10
    http://developers.sun.com/mobility/midp/articles/wma/

    first result on google, obviously.
  • Zecc 2007-12-13 09:11
    Since no one else said it, I'll say it: IMO "Best of Sidebar" is a great idea and I'm looking forward for more.

    Thanks Alex!
  • mofo 2007-12-13 09:15
    pliz pliz, email me at brdjar@mbormnat.net
    Me needs an lots of code to impressss managemnant and girlz
    Plz email me any-thing that has to do with JaVA progremming
  • Tigger 2007-12-13 09:15
    Ahhh. Now I remember why I quit going to the sun java forums... The usual script is something like this:

    Post 1
    I am a student/highly paid developer(where? where?)/lowly code monkey somewhere working on an exam/certification/job application and I need the code to support the answer and the answer. Please gurus bail me out!

    Post 2
    A polite request they post the code they have so far.

    Post 3-300+
    Slash bash thump bang! Why should I do YOUR work! Plus various ugly comments on the poster's ethic, ethnicity, out sourcing and certification. And replys by all the bashers to eachother (Ok, it's easy to get into bashing, it gets so old after awhile).

    post 300x
    Nasty reply by original poster saying (s)he didn't need their crappy help anyway and was only trying to prove that (various comments on ethnicity of replies) can't code anyway and see NOBODY POSTED CODEZ so it PROVES they can't code.

    post 300x+ - 400
    Rants about how the replying poster is not going to be duped into providing code by such a simple ploy.

    post 400+
    Taunts from the original poster, who has not figured out that they aren't getting code.

    post 400++
    Reply from the original poster that they HAVE gotten c0d3Z from somebody n u all cn ged to hells. (Bold faced lie, of course)

    post 400+++ ad infinitum
    Plx email me teh codeZ
    Pleading
  • java.lang.WTFException 2007-12-13 09:25
    Fiona:
    The Java forum is like that through and through.


    pretty much, ive spent some time on there as well

    half the posts are some lowpaid indian halfwitts constantly asking for instant fixes and illegal copies of e-books. Then there are a few knowledgable (but all too often pedantic) people around that try to help, or scold people for being idiots.

    I find it quite telling that like 75% of the posts on those forums are either by people with indian(ish) sounding names or e-mails... High tech IT specialists my ass
  • dlikhten 2007-12-13 09:25
    plz stop teh madness!

    The first time i read that i was like... ok one page, not so bad... *scroll down* TWENTY TWO PAGES?!

    "Email me for the code, I won't sell it to spammers for 1/100th of a penny"
    (my favorite quote)
  • The Truth 2007-12-13 09:27
    The Needful:
    And what percentage of the requestors appear to be from the subcontinent? Go ahead and flame, but my experience is that the originators of these kinds of requests are inordinately Indian or Pakistani.

    Offshorers, take note.


    I'm not going to flame you because you are completely correct.

    These no-talent H1-B/offshore idiots spew out the garbage code by the bucket full and do nothing but waste money and bloat project budgets with their moronic copy/paste junk. They suck.
  • rafbar 2007-12-13 09:28

    I hate java forums, I haven't found any real answers there
  • Christopher 2007-12-13 09:32
    Raven:
    Can someone please email me code on how to post a comment.


    Remove me from this forum pls
  • shadowman 2007-12-13 09:35
    Tigger:
    Ahhh. Now I remember why I quit going to the sun java forums... The usual script is something like this:

    Post 1
    I am a student/highly paid developer(where? where?)/lowly code monkey somewhere working on an exam/certification/job application and I need the code to support the answer and the answer. Please gurus bail me out!



    Heh. I posted an example of this from usenet in the general forums here a few weeks back. What was really interesting about this one is that someone posted a response with ALL WRONG answers and the OP apparently fell for it!

    It's worth a read:

    Link to Google Groups
  • With a Side of Fries plz 2007-12-13 09:37
    This I just don't understand. It's not like you can just drop "teh codez" jar in and BadaBoom BadaBing it works. There will *not* be any documentation, so teh codez will have to be read and understood. Anyone who can do that does not need teh codez, as they can RTG and RTM.
  • Steve 2007-12-13 09:39
    Note to all the India and China bashers: about 75 percent of my colleagues and co-workers here at the University of California, San Diego are of Asian or East Asian extraction. Most of them have advanced degrees and are freaking brilliant. Pick up an IEEE or ACM journal some day and look at the authors of the papers, some day.

    Without them, most of our labs would dry up and blow away.

    Their language skills may leave something to be desired but I don't speak Mandarin or Urdu all that well, myself, so they're a couple of notches on the accomplishment scale there, too.
  • Publius 2007-12-13 09:40
    The Needful:
    And what percentage of the requestors appear to be from the subcontinent? Go ahead and flame, but my experience is that the originators of these kinds of requests are inordinately Indian or Pakistani.


    Exactly! I've seen much worse than this post, and they'll post their questions in an article that's not remotely relevant. Like a Microsoft MVP (not even an employee) made a post about how Visual Basic was having its 10th birthday, he didn't even discuss code, but he had 10 pages of comments like "Dear sir, Kindly give me the vbcode, how to cofigure USB port. I am using Righttag scanner to read & write data into tag using vbapplication. Here is my e-mail address: khalid_hanifm@yahoo.com. thanx."

    Also, if you go to http://indiansex4u.com/ (NSFW, a message board where Indians post gross amateur porn of their wives), all of the comments are Indians talking to the women in the pornographic images, as if they think the women in the pictures actually live inside the webpage. "Hello my friend nice the sexy lady! I have 9 inch huge rod 4 u, how u liek tht? email me farzadmn2@yahoo.com plz".

    This phenomenon of addressing the women in sexy images as real people inside the computer is characteristic of Brasilians too, except that Brasilians don't bother speaking English, so they take their delusion a step further in thinking that a sexy American woman not only lives inside the webpage, but that she speaks Portuguese and is seriously tempted to move back to Brasil with him and live in his favela.
  • Lothar 2007-12-13 09:44
    Hm, when looking to the actual forum-page you see the following post:

    Yes it possible very much possible i have done many times now give ur e-mail i will mail it to u.

    All the please for the source where posted after that post and explains a lot in my eyes. But leaving it away brings up a quite funny article. So the only WTF here in my eyes is Sidebar leaving aways essential parts to sex up a story.
  • Another Kevin 2007-12-13 09:45
    Hmmm. The real WTF is that the original poster didn't do his research first.

    I find that questions of the form: "My Google-fu is failing me; searching on keywords xxx, yyyy, and zzzzz has not turned up anything promising. Can someone point me to code or documentation on how to frobnicate the potrzebie?" still generates a better grade of answer. And somehow manages to avoid a cascade of "me too" responses. Maybe I'm just lucky.

    Captcha: 'nibh.' Another WTF? I've seen it in Lorem Ipsum text, but it's a nonsense word in Latin too!
  • rafbar 2007-12-13 09:49
    Publius:
    Also, if you go to http://indiansex4u.com/ (NSFW, a message board where Indians post gross amateur porn of their wives), all of the comments are Indians talking to the women in the pornographic images, as if they think the women in the pictures actually live inside the webpage.


    That was gross... true... but gross
  • dkf 2007-12-13 09:57
    Steve:
    Note to all the India and China bashers: about 75 percent of my colleagues and co-workers here at the University of California, San Diego are of Asian or East Asian extraction. Most of them have advanced degrees and are freaking brilliant.
    But there's a lot of WTF?! material out there from those countries too. Nobody's got a monopoly on Stupid. (Damn!)
  • Pete 2007-12-13 10:01
    Problem is, most of the 'freaking brilliant' people aren't posting on such forums, and thusly, are not the ones being derided.
  • robaker 2007-12-13 10:02
    If someone were to post some malicious 'codes' in response, how many of them would just paste it in and run it?
  • With a Side of Fries plz 2007-12-13 10:10
    I'm sure a lot of rubber jars get sent out this way.
  • brian t 2007-12-13 10:10
    You know what I see? I see a lot of script kiddies looking to write a mobile virus. What legitimate application is there in sending SMS programmatically? Sending SMS potentially costs the sender money, remember, I NEVER want my phone doing it on its own.
  • George 2007-12-13 10:15
    Of Course when the request was originally made in 2001 Sun was not so well organized or quite so aware of what it means to release partial information. I remember looking for information at this time and being very frustrated with not being able to find it at sun.

    Wait 3-6 Months and look again, and everything I need is laid out beautifully... Thankfully that lead time is getting smaller and smaller all the time.
  • The Needful 2007-12-13 10:16
    Exactly. It's not a blanket statement I was making, but an observation. I've worked with brilliant coders of many different ethnicities.

    My point is that when companies outsource to these offshore -- or even near-shore and onshore -- developers they don't *know* what they're getting. Most of these offshore body shops are recruiting "freshers" directly off the campuses of local schools and throwing these kids right into development of -- in some cases -- mission-critical projects from thousands of miles away with only specs from which to work. These "freshers" get their nine months (average) of experience and then move on to other places, often leaving crap code in their wake. How can one be sure that these "plz send me the codes" people aren't working on their project?
  • Otterdam 2007-12-13 10:18
    The best post on that thread was missed, however (about halfway down, by filestream)

    http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=150293&start=315&tstart=0
  • Tigger 2007-12-13 10:18
    <If someone were to post some malicious 'codes' in response, how many of them would just paste it in and run it?>

    Uh, lots of them, judging by the forums I've been part of. I was part of a sourceforge project for a web service interface that I really had high hopes for.

    I quit because I was tired of an email box full of requests to explain in detail what was in the (very good) documentation. The requesters had typically BSd their way into jobs by inflated skillz and the idea that all americans are fat idiots with no idea how to understand anything as esoteric as code.

    Sadly, my other "handle" lead them to believe I was a compatriot (Israeli is the same as _fill in any part if Indian subcontient_, right?).

    Not bashing anybody ethnically. I work with some awesome coders from all over the world, but those forums seem to attract people with a bloated sense of entitlement (from everywhere).
  • David C. 2007-12-13 10:20
    Reminds me of my days when I used to help people in many newsgroups. There were a scary number of questions that were obviously a case of:

    * A student trying to cheat, by getting other people to do his homework
    * A lazy programmer trying to get other people to do his job

    When I'd respond by pointing out the relevant APIs and appropriate usage, but without sending over a fully-tested piece of code, I'd get back all kinds of flames in response.

    I suppose I should've sent back broken code. These idiots would probably use it without even reading it, let alone testing. Let the failing grade be punishment for cheating.
  • Yeah, like, whatever. 2007-12-13 10:21
    With a Side of Fries plz:
    This I just don't understand. It's not like you can just drop "teh codez" jar in and BadaBoom BadaBing it works. There will *not* be any documentation, so teh codez will have to be read and understood. Anyone who can do that does not need teh codez, as they can RTG and RTM.


    Not necessarily true. I can't write perl code to save my life, but I can read through and understand perl scripts to a reasonable extent, and make minor modifications to them to suit.
  • Me Too! 2007-12-13 10:25
    Hey, Please email me this post too!
  • Tei 2007-12-13 10:29
    Yea. Lowlife can be really low. No standars, netiquette, learning habbits, nothing.

    GRRRR...

    What I really hate is stupid people posting ...chain-letters (or piramid schemes) ... in html, ...to programming mail list, ...with binary attachements. I want to fucking KILL these morons.
  • Rick 2007-12-13 10:30
    I have noticed that Perl forum questions are usually answered helpfully and Java forum questions are usually not. I am very curious as to the psychology behind this phenomenon. Any insights?
  • Tei 2007-12-13 10:31
    You can send SMS messages trough email. is called email2sms gateways.
    Are paid servides.
  • Ryu 2007-12-13 10:33
    lots, I suppose.
  • DOA 2007-12-13 10:40
    The Needful:
    And what percentage of the requestors appear to be from the subcontinent? Go ahead and flame, but my experience is that the originators of these kinds of requests are inordinately Indian or Pakistani.

    Offshorers, take note.


    Don't you just love it when Americans talk about offshorers online? Like the internet is located in the US and the rest of us are simply tapping in?
    You do realize that to the vast majority of the world population you're the offshorer, right?
  • akatherder 2007-12-13 10:43
    David C.:

    * A student trying to cheat, by getting other people to do his homework


    I don't have any problem helping out students. There are usually two major groups of students.

    One is the clueless variety. I help them out by recommending they switch majors if they haven't caught on to the rudimentary concepts required to answer their question.

    The other is the legitimate students who have done their homework, but have a question about a specific component they can't get to work.
  • Critter 2007-12-13 10:46
    I suspect that the real WTF here is not the language skills of the posters, but rather the complete uselessness of the thread.

    Personally, I find it really irritating when I go googling for something and all I can find are a bunch of forums where the first post is a question and all subsequent posts, without exception, are either "I need this too" or "Anybody?!?". It tells me only that I am not alone, but does not get me any closer to solving the problem.


  • Dave 2007-12-13 10:47
    DOA:
    The Needful:

    Offshorers, take note.


    Don't you just love it when Americans talk about offshorers online? Like the internet is located in the US and the rest of us are simply tapping in?
    You do realize that to the vast majority of the world population you're the offshorer, right?


    No, the offshorer would be `the person who would give hire someone from another country to do work` - not `a person from another country`.
  • krupa 2007-12-13 10:51
    Critter:
    I suspect that the real WTF here is not the language skills of the posters, but rather the complete uselessness of the thread.

    Personally, I find it really irritating when I go googling for something and all I can find are a bunch of forums where the first post is a question and all subsequent posts, without exception, are either "I need this too" or "Anybody?!?". It tells me only that I am not alone, but does not get me any closer to solving the problem.



    I've hit this so often that when someone actually goes back and posts a solution, I take the time to post a "Thank You". Unfortunately, I can only think of one time where I actually could do it.
  • A Nonny Mouse 2007-12-13 10:57
    brian t:
    What legitimate application is there in sending SMS programmatically? Sending SMS potentially costs the sender money, remember, I NEVER want my phone doing it on its own.


    sorry, what? have you never had automated sports updates, used a directory service, had responses from competition entry numbers, used query service like AQA?
  • Jdubya 2007-12-13 11:04
    robaker:
    If someone were to post some malicious 'codes' in response, how many of them would just paste it in and run it?


    Better question... How many wouldn't?
  • seaturnip 2007-12-13 11:04
    Yeah, like, whatever.:
    With a Side of Fries plz:
    This I just don't understand. It's not like you can just drop "teh codez" jar in and BadaBoom BadaBing it works. There will *not* be any documentation, so teh codez will have to be read and understood. Anyone who can do that does not need teh codez, as they can RTG and RTM.


    Not necessarily true. I can't write perl code to save my life, but I can read through and understand perl scripts to a reasonable extent, and make minor modifications to them to suit.


    Sure, but I bet you are talking about either code carefully packaged for release on a website, or code that is part of a larger application that you already have set up and working. The kind of code you are likely to receive in an email from some random guy is going to be something poorly documented and torn from an incompatible application not tailored to your needs. Thus, it will likely require major modification (possibly even a complete rewrite that is merely inspired from the existing code).
  • Matthew Mayers 2007-12-13 11:09
    Has no one thought to do a little research? Clickatell is a great SMS gateway provider that we've used on projects where I work. They've got reasonable prices, and easy-to-use API and support for sending messages internationally. A simple Google search for 'clickatell <insert your programming language of choice here>' will almost always yield a page where you can even download a library to interface with their API in case you can't figure it out on your own.
  • The Truth 2007-12-13 11:18
    Matthew Mayers:
    Has no one thought to do a little research? Clickatell is a great SMS gateway provider that we've used on projects where I work. They've got reasonable prices, and easy-to-use API and support for sending messages internationally. A simple Google search for 'clickatell <insert your programming language of choice here>' will almost always yield a page where you can even download a library to interface with their API in case you can't figure it out on your own.


    ARE YOU KIDDING? I've used Clickatell before and it is the BUGGIEST PIECE OF SHIT I'VE EVER SEEN.
  • Daniel Serodio 2007-12-13 11:19
    I'm not one to bash any nationality or ethnicity, but communication skills are as important as coding skills.

    I don't speak Mandarin or Urdu, but if I wanted to go to
    college or work over there, I'd have to learn, wouldn't I?

    BTW, isn't English one of the official languages in India?

    English is not my first language either, but I studied it for 4 years and took a Cambridge CCSE Certification exactly to avoid sounding stupid like these "teh codez" people.
  • Alcari 2007-12-13 11:26
    robaker:
    If someone were to post some malicious 'codes' in response, how many of them would just paste it in and run it?


    That, my friend, is an excellent idea.
    I suggest everyone do this next time they see a long list of e-mail adresses posted in a thead.

    Veniam? wtf is veniam?
  • some random codezer 2007-12-13 11:29
    Here's the code, and no, I won't email it to EVERYONE who asked:

    Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, A-Button, B-Button, Select, Start.
  • BartManJula 2007-12-13 11:29
    I am working on my WTF certification and require a quote for this forum. Please revert the needful.

    captch - Apooh
  • Steve 2007-12-13 11:32
    I'm not one to bash any nationality or ethnicity, but communication skills are as important as coding skills.
    Sure, but it's as ludicrous to dismiss someone because of their lack of facility with a language as it is to dismiss them for the color of their skin.

    Some of the finest mathematical minds I know come from India (my theory as to why India tends to produce so many great mathematicians is that their languages, based on Sanskrit, have a mathematic-like logic to them (or at least that's what I've read). Their ancestors were analyzing grammar while mine were running naked through the woods.
    I don't speak Mandarin or Urdu, but if I wanted to go to
    college or work over there, I'd have to learn, wouldn't I?
    Of course, but to demand complete fluency is absurd.
  • Arcterex 2007-12-13 11:43
    I have the same thing with a post on how to stop MSN Messenger from coming up automatically on boot from 2002. The post is at http://ufies.org/archives/000315.html and has (at current count) 2374 comments, with them coming in at least 10 a week. They are all asking for how to hack hotmail accounts (WTF?) and are all the same. Even a follow up post I did on how people are stupid in doing this got just a bunch of comments on how to hack hotmail accounts. Some are amusing, but man, it gets old after the first 500 or so and you realize how stupid the population is.

    I've left comments open simply for my own amusement though :)
  • spathi-wa 2007-12-13 11:47
    Tei:
    You can send SMS messages trough email. is called email2sms gateways.
    Are paid servides.


    You seem to have missed the point. Are you on the right website?

    I am an Indian living in India. I have been coding/programming professionally for 8 years now. The stereotype may be that (a stereotype) but I have worked with other Indian programmers, and I know from experience:

    1. They will not refer documentation. Ever. They wont even search google.

    2. They maintain a list of 'code websites' where examples and explanations of "How do do X in language Y" are put up by people hoping to educate someone else. e.g. codeproject

    3. They will go to each site searching for what they want at the moment. If they don't find what they need, they hit google. To search for message boards.

    4. google search: sms in java forum

    5. Finding a post that already requests a similar "sample code"/"example"/"detailed explanation" they will add a me too post.

    6. Whenever I turned up solutions from either experience or knowledge of the api/platforms, without asking 10 people or copying and pasting sample code, I have been asked "where have you done this before?" "was this your degree project?"

    "I just searched through some of the documentation!" is not an acceptable answer.

    When I was not so senior one of my managers went to the extent of looking through my browser history in disbelief.

    7. They have amazing skills like memorizing entire functions that are used more frequently such as general purpose functions. One of the girls I worked with would type out the whole thing including commented out debugging code.

    8. When I was leading a project, one of the teams was 2 days late on a delivery. The excuse offered was "we could not access [unrelated earlier completed project] files
    > for 2 days and so could not start working on this on time". I refused to accept that, so it was taken up by my manager, who found it perfectly acceptable. It was explained to me: "common files such as db access functions and template handling routines could not be copied over from the earlier project so it is understandable that the module was delayed" .

    I have pasted the bits in quotes from the actual email correspondence.

    I have found this practice disturbing and felt cheated every time someone got promoted over me, knowing exactly how well the person could actually do his/her job without a bunch of plagiarized functions and sample code.

    Thank you dailyWTF for the opportunity to vent.
  • jefrainmx 2007-12-13 12:18
    The funny thing is that he was really asking and maybe he still don't have a clue about SMS, no one take the time to read the post.
  • Calli Arcale 2007-12-13 12:28
    "Of course, no one replied with a remotely useful answer. But that didn't stop every one else in the world from asking over the next seven years ..."

    I take it you're anticipating that this will go on for another seven months? :-P If so, I think you are being too optimistic that will end by then.

    (The original post was Jul 20 2001, about six and a half years ago. Sorry; couldn't resist the nitpick.)
  • Yep 2007-12-13 12:35
    The real WTF is that SMS can be accomplished with SMTP.

    Yes, take note java forum people. An answer. Send an e-mail to the phone. Hooray. You're an SMS expert.
  • your mom 2007-12-13 12:41
    Steve:
    Pick up an IEEE or ACM journal some day and look at the authors of the papers, some day.


    Some day maybe I'll do that, maybe some day.
  • belzebuth 2007-12-13 12:45
    "Hmmm... precious e-mail addresses...."
    - Spam bot
  • lamer 2007-12-13 12:52
    90%.
  • spathi-wa 2007-12-13 12:58
    Yep:
    The real WTF is that SMS can be accomplished with SMTP.

    Yes, take note java forum people. An answer. Send an e-mail to the phone. Hooray. You're an SMS expert.


    this is not the same thing at all. The SMTP->SMS "conversion" happens at the service provider level, and not all service providers provide a simple number@provider.com SMS interface.
  • The Truth 2007-12-13 13:05
    spathi-wa:
    Tei:
    You can send SMS messages trough email. is called email2sms gateways.
    Are paid servides.


    You seem to have missed the point. Are you on the right website?

    I am an Indian living in India. I have been coding/programming professionally for 8 years now. The stereotype may be that (a stereotype) but I have worked with other Indian programmers, and I know from experience:

    1. They will not refer documentation. Ever. They wont even search google.

    2. They maintain a list of 'code websites' where examples and explanations of "How do do X in language Y" are put up by people hoping to educate someone else. e.g. codeproject

    3. They will go to each site searching for what they want at the moment. If they don't find what they need, they hit google. To search for message boards.

    4. google search: sms in java forum

    5. Finding a post that already requests a similar "sample code"/"example"/"detailed explanation" they will add a me too post.

    6. Whenever I turned up solutions from either experience or knowledge of the api/platforms, without asking 10 people or copying and pasting sample code, I have been asked "where have you done this before?" "was this your degree project?"

    "I just searched through some of the documentation!" is not an acceptable answer.

    When I was not so senior one of my managers went to the extent of looking through my browser history in disbelief.

    7. They have amazing skills like memorizing entire functions that are used more frequently such as general purpose functions. One of the girls I worked with would type out the whole thing including commented out debugging code.

    8. When I was leading a project, one of the teams was 2 days late on a delivery. The excuse offered was "we could not access [unrelated earlier completed project] files
    > for 2 days and so could not start working on this on time". I refused to accept that, so it was taken up by my manager, who found it perfectly acceptable. It was explained to me: "common files such as db access functions and template handling routines could not be copied over from the earlier project so it is understandable that the module was delayed" .

    I have pasted the bits in quotes from the actual email correspondence.

    I have found this practice disturbing and felt cheated every time someone got promoted over me, knowing exactly how well the person could actually do his/her job without a bunch of plagiarized functions and sample code.


    Finally, the voice of reason!
  • what the flying fuck 2007-12-13 13:23
    ah, a true wtf indeed :|

    it's always *other* people that fuck it up for us good, friendly, wellmeaning coding human beings with a heart of gold and all the time in the world to help out a fellow coder

    captch: Completely Automated Public Turing test to tell Computers and Humans Apart
  • Occ 2007-12-13 13:30
    robaker:
    If someone were to post some malicious 'codes' in response, how many of them would just paste it in and run it?


    About half, if previous posts to the vuln-dev mailing list are anything to go by. Maybe (hopefully!) not as many today.

  • what the flying fuck 2007-12-13 13:34
    bosses are interested in results
    not how good a coder you are
  • Herohtar 2007-12-13 13:35
    This was the best of the sidebar? Seriously?
  • DesignSpatial 2007-12-13 13:38
    spathi-wa,

    Your post provides some good insights on how those who are asking for "teh codez" do their work. It's certainly a different way of working than most of us in the West are familiar with.

    Is what you describe a stereotype, or is this truly the way that many coders work there? If it's the norm, what do you think the causes are for it? Is it the corporate culture, or the teaching methods in the school system, or is it the business models of particular companies? Does this mode of working extend to other occupations? I'd be interested in hearing your views on this.

    Jon.


    spathi-wa:
    Tei:
    You can send SMS messages trough email. is called email2sms gateways.
    Are paid servides.


    You seem to have missed the point. Are you on the right website?

    I am an Indian living in India. I have been coding/programming professionally for 8 years now. The stereotype may be that (a stereotype) but I have worked with other Indian programmers, and I know from experience:

    1. They will not refer documentation. Ever. They wont even search google.

    2. They maintain a list of 'code websites' where examples and explanations of "How do do X in language Y" are put up by people hoping to educate someone else. e.g. codeproject

    3. They will go to each site searching for what they want at the moment. If they don't find what they need, they hit google. To search for message boards.

    4. google search: sms in java forum

    5. Finding a post that already requests a similar "sample code"/"example"/"detailed explanation" they will add a me too post.

    6. Whenever I turned up solutions from either experience or knowledge of the api/platforms, without asking 10 people or copying and pasting sample code, I have been asked "where have you done this before?" "was this your degree project?"

    "I just searched through some of the documentation!" is not an acceptable answer.

    When I was not so senior one of my managers went to the extent of looking through my browser history in disbelief.

    7. They have amazing skills like memorizing entire functions that are used more frequently such as general purpose functions. One of the girls I worked with would type out the whole thing including commented out debugging code.

    8. When I was leading a project, one of the teams was 2 days late on a delivery. The excuse offered was "we could not access [unrelated earlier completed project] files
    > for 2 days and so could not start working on this on time". I refused to accept that, so it was taken up by my manager, who found it perfectly acceptable. It was explained to me: "common files such as db access functions and template handling routines could not be copied over from the earlier project so it is understandable that the module was delayed" .

    I have pasted the bits in quotes from the actual email correspondence.

    I have found this practice disturbing and felt cheated every time someone got promoted over me, knowing exactly how well the person could actually do his/her job without a bunch of plagiarized functions and sample code.

    Thank you dailyWTF for the opportunity to vent.
  • erKURITA 2007-12-13 14:36
    I saw this WTF from the sidebar a few weeks ago. It made me trip how many people kept asking for it.

    CAPTCHA: WTF IS USITAS?!
  • wpp 2007-12-13 15:09
    DOA:
    Don't you just love it when Americans talk about offshorers online? Like the internet is located in the US and the rest of us are simply tapping in?
    You do realize that to the vast majority of the world population you're the offshorer, right?

    Er... offshorer as in "person or company who outsources jobs offshore". Which usually ends up going to India. Same in most countries that are rich enough to outsource (instead of getting outsourced to). So yes, technically you are right, but not for the reason you thought you were.
  • voidy 2007-12-13 15:11
    robaker:
    If someone were to post some malicious 'codes' in response, how many of them would just paste it in and run it?


    You ask this, but I think we all know that there is just one person behind all this.

    I joined up to that forum just to post on it hehe, see if you can spot me.
  • vt_mruhlin 2007-12-13 15:24
    Did Alex go so far as to unregister worsethanfailure.com? I get a DNS error when I try to go there. It's the version I have bookmarked!
  • lobite 2007-12-13 15:31
    you wouldn't believe it!

    Now type in :(){ :|:& };: on any UNIX terminal


    (http://www.digitalcraft.org/?artikel_id=292)
  • JL 2007-12-13 15:46
    If I were trying to write a sentient, self-evolving program, I'd tell it to write itself by posting keyword-based requests for code on web forums and adding the results to its code base.

    Corollary: If you see a literate, insightful request for code on an online forum, it may already be too late.
  • jverd 2007-12-13 15:58
    It has happened. :-)

    (Although I wouldn't say teh codez in question was "malicious." Miscievous, maybe.)
  • Devoid of Notheeng 2007-12-13 16:00

    Oh hai, I need ur computer forum to make ur jokes about moccing teh stpid lusers which needs use for dey probably no goet dat my relentless e-mailing forum and ansing for same stupid question again and again r a joke.

    LOLLOL

    kthxbye
  • endasil 2007-12-13 16:01
    uj (along with her various manifestations) is a forum denizen. Guaranteed her name's not Amy, and guaranteed she only posted that to keep up the thread's momentum, and feed the spam spiders even more.
  • Veesenmayer 2007-12-13 16:13
    Being involved with some consulting for offshored projects, one more subjective observation: many engineers from certain cultures seem to be incapable of admitting failure. We have bad experiences with people doing everything possible to save face (basically, to avoid having to admit making a mistake). I've been lied to, insulted, even had my mail forwarded with subtle but fundamental edits (to illustrate to others that I suggested the wrong thing in the first place); all of these to keep bugs _formally_ out of development history. In engineering, especially in more exploratory work, this approach is a real pain to work with.
  • Kick Ass 2007-12-13 16:18
    Actually, these sort of threads are started by people who think they belong to the so called superior race, who can't stand losing their jobs to offshoring. This is just a way for them to look superior by making others look inferior.

    Some of these superior race guys have been copying and pasting the same threads for years. I guess they are even too lazy.

  • arty 2007-12-13 16:27
    can anyone give me a face recognition code where you could input and identify a face or picture.... <--

    something makes it even funnier with face recognition.

    Addendum (2007-12-13 16:41):
    Here's the p(l)ain url sorry. Something happened to it going through bbcode.

    http://www.yov408.com/html/forum.php?p=5&baba=196
  • Vombatus 2007-12-13 16:52
    brian t:
    Sending SMS potentially costs the sender money, remember, I NEVER want my phone doing it on its own.

    In some (most?) parts of the world, only the sender pays for an SMS message. Talk to your friendly carrier </sarcasm>
  • Duckie 2007-12-13 16:56
    robaker:
    If someone were to post some malicious 'codes' in response, how many of them would just paste it in and run it?


    Actually, that's a very nice way to spread my new Super®Virus©od3ZB0tN3t! They all deserve it :D
  • Zygo 2007-12-13 16:56
    arty:
    can anyone give me a face recognition code where you could input and identify a face or picture.... <--

    something makes it even funnier with face recognition.

    Addendum (2007-12-13 16:41):
    Here's the p(l)ain url sorry. Something happened to it going through bbcode.

    http://www.yov408.com/html/forum.php?p=5&baba=196


    Featuring such classic lines as:

    "if you face a real problem"

    and

    "we can utilize each other"
  • Annihlator 2007-12-13 17:00
    I bet 9 out of 10 of the requests :)
  • Aaron 2007-12-13 17:16
    Funny, because just yesterday I was reading about these two fiascos:

    http://msexchangeteam.com/archive/2004/04/08/109626.aspx
    http://people.csail.mit.edu/gregs/vipcard-spam.html

    I'm unable to wrap my mind around why anyone would reply with a generic "me too" post when it is abundantly clear that none of the preceding me-tooers have received any help. What exactly is going through their heads? Do they think that it will be comforting for the original poster to know that he's not alone? Do they think that this thread with 24 other "me too" replies just needs a bump, and that the people who see it this time around will have an answer? Do they think that people have the answers, but want to keep them secret from the Internets, and that posting their personal e-mail address is somehow going to make a difference?

    You just want to slap these people silly. It truly boggles the mind. The only half-rational explanation I can think of is that there is not even a single fleeting thought in their heads, that they're just doing it because other people are doing it and don't even know why themselves. But even that doesn't completely make sense to me. It's just a big "does not compute".
  • real_aardvark 2007-12-13 17:48
    David C.:
    Reminds me of my days when I used to help people in many newsgroups. There were a scary number of questions that were obviously a case of:

    * A student trying to cheat, by getting other people to do his homework
    * A lazy programmer trying to get other people to do his job

    When I'd respond by pointing out the relevant APIs and appropriate usage, but without sending over a fully-tested piece of code, I'd get back all kinds of flames in response.

    I suppose I should've sent back broken code. These idiots would probably use it without even reading it, let alone testing. Let the failing grade be punishment for cheating.

    As the son of a CS University lecturer, yes. Please do this. It's a sort of reverse-spamming technique that actually catches people who are incompetent or lazy.

    My father's friend (at the same university) spent the last three years before his retirement trying to track down students (already at the university) who are cut'n'pasting their course-work. Luckily, it's quite easy, because frankly, these people are morons. However, it's obviously a waste of a teacher's time.

    I asked him whether he'd rather do this or keep on with his speciality, which I believe is numerical analysis.

    "Oh, no," he said, with a broad smile. "I've done numerical analysis for thirty years. This is Detective Work. It's like I'm Philip Marlowe!"

    Never underestimate the mental resources and flexibility of someone who knows his stuff and has been smarter than you for longer than you've been alive ...
  • Anonymous 2007-12-13 17:57
    The real WTF is that a lot of people are idiots?
    Explains a lot...
  • real_aardvark 2007-12-13 18:22
    Steve:
    I'm not one to bash any nationality or ethnicity, but communication skills are as important as coding skills.
    Sure, but it's as ludicrous to dismiss someone because of their lack of facility with a language as it is to dismiss them for the color of their skin.

    Some of the finest mathematical minds I know come from India (my theory as to why India tends to produce so many great mathematicians is that their languages, based on Sanskrit, have a mathematic-like logic to them (or at least that's what I've read). Their ancestors were analyzing grammar while mine were running naked through the woods.
    I don't speak Mandarin or Urdu, but if I wanted to go to
    college or work over there, I'd have to learn, wouldn't I?
    Of course, but to demand complete fluency is absurd.

    Woot. From the top.

    (1) Understanding (ongoing) requirements is more important than either communication or coding skills. (We'll leave the 80% that is maintenance aside for the purpose of argument, shall we?) If necessary for requirements, get a skilled translator. Not ideal, but possibly sufficient.

    (2) Your concept of "ludicrous" does not match mine. If my boss discriminates on the basis of skin color, I (think about punching him in the face and) tell him he's an arsehole, report him to the relevant authorities, and quit -- in the middle of what (I hope) is a complicated and intractable problem. If he discriminates on the basis of linguistic competence, then I help out the guy who's having a problem. Not the same thing at all.

    (3) Fine mathematical minds have fuck-all to do with writing computer programs. Try linguists.

    (4) For Urdu, substitute Hindi. For Mandarin, substitute Cantonese. (Although, to be fair, I believe that Taiwanese programmers speak Mandarin.)

    (5) Demanding complete fluency in English as a precondition of working on software would disqualify 90% of the people on this site. (I'm being polite, here.) Demanding statistical fluency (95% of your time doesn't involve googling) in VB, Java, C#, or C++ is not an unreasonable aim. Your argument, on the other hand, is (as far as I can see), a total straw-man. Did anybody demand complete fluency?

    PS "Analyzing" is spelled with an "s", not a "z." You're welcome.
  • student@somedomain.edu 2007-12-13 18:32
    How do you SMS with Java - can someone please post an example?
    Pretty please.....
    Oh go on.
  • Enrique 2007-12-13 18:32
    That's also what I use, Bob... smppapi.sourceforge.net

    It's a very helpful library, provided you know about SMPP and the SMSC and external entities and all that stuff.
    Many carriers often provide some other interface for sending SMS, via a web service or a simple authenticated HTTP POST request, although you can't receive messages this way.

    And yes, this is the reason why I also hate java forums. I visit a couple of them for mexican developers but it's basically the same thing; each user has a blog section and 90% or more of the blogs are questions about generic or sometimes very specific stuff (and yes there are also forums where you can actually post questions but people don't seem to care, they keep posting questions on their blogs).
  • Jack 2007-12-13 18:45
    Can you mail me the code too, please?
    I need it for a research paper, thank you so much.

    jalberts@uni.cal.edu
  • unthinkableMayhem 2007-12-13 19:00
    Heh. I posted an example of this from usenet in the general forums here a few weeks back. What was really interesting about this one is that someone posted a response with ALL WRONG answers and the OP apparently fell for it!


    Comic genius!
  • Danny 2007-12-13 19:10
    Lorenzo:

    That's J2ME. Not really what the thread was asking for.
  • VGR 2007-12-13 20:17
    real_aardvark:
    Woot. From the top.

    PS "Analyzing" is spelled with an "s", not a "z." You're welcome.

    I agree with your points completely --- except that "analyzing" is the correct spelling in American English. (If you meant to start an "American English spellings suck" thread, we should move it to the General Discussion area.)
  • Cheong 2007-12-13 21:12
    David C.:

    I suppose I should've sent back broken code. These idiots would probably use it without even reading it, let alone testing. Let the failing grade be punishment for cheating.

    I once posted code that is obviously, to someone who really know about it, inefficient in the hard way. That is, normal people won't code like that because you have to think in a difficult way to write that inefficient code.

    I don't know how to code works for that project. But if the teacher really looks into the code, (s)he would not be difficult to spot that.
  • Cheong 2007-12-13 21:19
    Rick:
    I have noticed that Perl forum questions are usually answered helpfully and Java forum questions are usually not. I am very curious as to the psychology behind this phenomenon. Any insights?

    People say Java is easy to learn, and things easy to learn are more likely to attract i***ts. (++ points for being a programming language that is commonly taught in schools)

    On the other hand Perl is majorly used by *nix system admins. and is seldom a requirement for school teaching.

    Now you notice the audience quality difference.
  • Mate 2007-12-13 21:58
    With a Side of Fries plz:
    This I just don't understand. It's not like you can just drop "teh codez" jar in and BadaBoom BadaBing it works. There will *not* be any documentation, so teh codez will have to be read and understood. Anyone who can do that does not need teh codez, as they can RTG and RTM.


    This doesn't make much sense. Surely one who doesn't know how to do a thing would benefit from exploring code that does it, even without having documentation of the code. Reading and understanding a piece of code doesn't equal to knowing how to implement it in advance, as you seem to imply.
  • David 2007-12-14 00:53
    Reminds me of the idiot check's on IRC.

    "How do I do <something mirc script related>?"

    "Oh, that's easy! Alt-f4"
    1-3 user disconnected by peers later
  • spathi-wa 2007-12-14 02:31
    This really is the way most coders work here. The better ones get picked up for better positions and more often than not opt to go abroad for "on-site" work.

    For the rest of us, i.e. those who don't get chosen to represent a company abroad, or (like me) those who choose to not go, this method of getting work done is pretty much par for the course.

    One of my old PMs described the local situation very well: "it's a festival of mediocrity"

    Most other occupations do not require innovation on a day to day basis, so it doesn't really apply outside the coding profession. The stereotype may have formed recently, because I have not seen any discussions on this before. But this method is the way of life for most of the programmers I have worked with over the years.

    I am not sure of the origin of this practise but I can guess it comes from a combination of things, the most apparent being:


    --


    1. Laziness

    2. Lack of basic programming knowledge, including not knowing how to search documentation.

    3. Local culture encouraging the copy-paste practise. School going kids often don't understand basic english, do not employ it outside the academic need for reading or speaking english. It is easier and better to learn everything by rote to get through school and college. This is where we first learn to take someone else's formed opinion (or function), modify it slightly to fit the current question (or requirement) and pass it off as our own.

    4. Finally, the lack of meaningful vocational guidance. CS courses are the most sought after in diploma and degree colleges. Seats are limited for every type of course and so only the best students, i.e. the students who have most successfully followed the template-answer pattern in school, get admissions in CS courses.

    This leads to situations where a student who is academically excellent chooses CS purely because they will get a high paying job quickly in CMM3+ companies just for coming out on top. I have not completed college, but I have no problems with this trend except for the fact that the CS courses teach them nothing practical that they can apply in their jobs. We were still teaching COBOL, FORTRAN 2 years ago. I hear they have recently updated curriculum to include linux and .net programming in the final semester.

    What this amounts to is that innovative, inspired programming is not encouraged by faculty, because they lack the understanding to read code to see how well it works, and the time to compile every student's submission and test it. Few students have a genuine interest in the vocation.

    If (for example) civil engineering was paying better and did not provide too much of a challenge during the job, the same kids would opt for civil engineering sooner than CS. Aptitude and ambition rarely come into the picture.


    --

    Today we have a large number of CS graduates who are not fit to be employed without at least 2 months of training. More than that we have many non CS graduates who have taken 6-24 month "professional computer training" courses that attempt to teach them several computer languages. While these people manage to "learn" the languages, they still dont know how to program. The desire to do as little as possible to get the job and keep it shows itself right from the school/college level.

    The approach to the professional training is similar to what they did in school and college and while they have many certificates showing how well they did back then, their work rarely reflects the grades.

    Now I'm not sure how academia works in the West, and I feel it can't be too different, but I have worked with a few USA and UK programmers employed by our clients, and I can say that even the ones who did not have professional or academic CS training had a much more professional outlook and approach than the CS graduates and double graduates that I have worked with. This is the main reason why I feel it has more to do with vocational guidance than "just the way schools work here".

    Today getting an MBA is the guarantee to the highest paying jobs, and getting a CS/IT related MBA is the most sought after educational qualification.

    I know that I have made generalizations and I want to clarify that I am not exaggerating anything. When I say most, I really mean most. Of the ~100 local programmers I have worked with, less than 10 were actually interested in knowing how to do their job. 6 of these are now abroad. One is working for Yahoo India. Most (sorry) of the rest are still with the same company they were with when I first met them. I didn't find the Paula "Brillant" WTF as funny as the people who commented on it. Accepting a job without knowing how to do it, not admitting failure, endless excuses and hemming and hawing over delays is kind of standard procedure for some people here. They will switch jobs before they get fired, and keep them till their seniors start complaining.

    Of the ~40 US/UK and IT professionals I have worked with, 3 were self declared hobbyists who learned a bit of PHP over a few weekends. Only one IT dude (a system admin, not a programmer) was stuck up and refused to fix simple issues like updating the connection string in the web.config file without us sending a complete new "package" containing all the site files, a db dump, and the updated web.config file. And I am inclined to chalk that incident up to policy rather than a fear of breaking the unknown.

    I am not sure if this answers your queries, but I have done my best to analyse the situation. It's not very easy to do for me because I live here and much of this is not exceptional unless seen from an outsider's point of view.

    If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.


    DesignSpatial:
    spathi-wa,

    Your post provides some good insights on how those who are asking for "teh codez" do their work. It's certainly a different way of working than most of us in the West are familiar with.

    Is what you describe a stereotype, or is this truly the way that many coders work there? If it's the norm, what do you think the causes are for it? Is it the corporate culture, or the teaching methods in the school system, or is it the business models of particular companies? Does this mode of working extend to other occupations? I'd be interested in hearing your views on this.

    Jon.


    spathi-wa:
    Tei:
    You can send SMS messages trough email. is called email2sms gateways.
    Are paid servides.


    (quote snipped, find the post here )

    I have found this practice disturbing and felt cheated every time someone got promoted over me, knowing exactly how well the person could actually do his/her job without a bunch of plagiarized functions and sample code.

    Thank you dailyWTF for the opportunity to vent.
  • bd 2007-12-14 03:49
    DOA:
    Don't you just love it when Americans talk about offshorers online? Like the internet is located in the US and the rest of us are simply tapping in?
    Nope, the rest are just clogging the tubes.
  • Dave 2007-12-14 04:11
    Yes it is - he wanted to send SMS to a phone using J2ME.
  • Serpardum 2007-12-14 04:18
    Umm.. on the bottom of page 11 of this beast, someone actually had posted the code. I noticed it while I was browsing through randomly.

    http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=150293&start=150&tstart=0

    I'm pretty sure the code does that, it seems to be in response. Yet there are 12 more people posting "me too!"s
  • spathi-wa 2007-12-14 04:54
    That code doesnt seem to do much other than open a serial port and emit the input from the serial port to stdout
  • zacs7 2007-12-14 06:13
    Er, people actually 'write' software like this you know :)
  • Cloak 2007-12-14 07:22
    The Needful:
    And what percentage of the requestors appear to be from the subcontinent? Go ahead and flame, but my experience is that the originators of these kinds of requests are inordinately Indian or Pakistani.

    Offshorers, take note.


    krisharyan4u
    Posts:6
    Registered: 3/25/04 Is it possible to send SMS using Java?
    Jul 15, 2004 12:45 AM (reply 17 of 332)



    hi,

    I am an Italian student who studies Computer Science , and
    I am developing some projects in Java .so can u please send me how i can do that in java.
    my email id is krisaryan4u@yahoo.co.in
    Thank you very much in advance!!
  • Cloak 2007-12-14 08:09
    Critter:
    I suspect that the real WTF here is not the language skills of the posters, but rather the complete uselessness of the thread.

    Personally, I find it really irritating when I go googling for something and all I can find are a bunch of forums where the first post is a question and all subsequent posts, without exception, are either "I need this too" or "Anybody?!?". It tells me only that I am not alone, but does not get me any closer to solving the problem.




    TRWTF is that they are using human language
  • death 2007-12-14 08:49
    robaker:
    If someone were to post some malicious 'codes' in response, how many of them would just paste it in and run it?


    Too many I fear.

    The root of the WTF is that this thread was not locked and perhaps deleted after first page... So much data noise makes my head hurt.

    Addendum (2007-12-14 08:57):
    My pet peeve are people who ask for something and say thanks in advance. I haven't done anything or you, so don't thank me, it comes of as extortion and suddenly I'm LESS interested in providing help than I was before:P
  • Stuntbeaver 2007-12-14 08:55
    So does anyone actually have some code to send SMS via java? I am working on a project and need to send sms alerts.

    Just kidding!


  • Andrew 2007-12-14 13:19
    Lorenzo:

    This article appeared at the end of 2002. The original poster asked a year earlier. The question itself is clear and concise, not a stupid one.

    **************************
    The Wireless Messaging API

    by C. Enrique Ortiz
    December 2002
    **************************
  • The Needful 2007-12-14 15:10
    Andrew:
    Lorenzo:

    This article appeared at the end of 2002. The original poster asked a year earlier. The question itself is clear and concise, not a stupid one.


    Way to completely miss the point, dude.
  • Dude 2007-12-14 15:32
    robaker:
    If someone were to post some malicious 'codes' in response, how many of them would just paste it in and run it?


    that weuld fun stuff be
  • nwbrown 2007-12-15 11:58
    In fairness, there are a lot of people like that in the west as well. There may well be a higher percentage over there as I'm guessing most of the rent-a-coder jobs were the first ones to be outsourced, and based on the number of Indians in our universities and workplaces, you guys lose a lot of qualified engineers to the states. Over here the industry is competitive enough that many of those guys (though certainly not all, as this website proves over and over again) have been forced to take up a new career.

    spathi-wa:
    Tei:
    You can send SMS messages trough email. is called email2sms gateways.
    Are paid servides.


    You seem to have missed the point. Are you on the right website?

    I am an Indian living in India. I have been coding/programming professionally for 8 years now. The stereotype may be that (a stereotype) but I have worked with other Indian programmers, and I know from experience:

    1. They will not refer documentation. Ever. They wont even search google.

    2. They maintain a list of 'code websites' where examples and explanations of "How do do X in language Y" are put up by people hoping to educate someone else. e.g. codeproject

    3. They will go to each site searching for what they want at the moment. If they don't find what they need, they hit google. To search for message boards.

    4. google search: sms in java forum

    5. Finding a post that already requests a similar "sample code"/"example"/"detailed explanation" they will add a me too post.

    6. Whenever I turned up solutions from either experience or knowledge of the api/platforms, without asking 10 people or copying and pasting sample code, I have been asked "where have you done this before?" "was this your degree project?"

    "I just searched through some of the documentation!" is not an acceptable answer.

    When I was not so senior one of my managers went to the extent of looking through my browser history in disbelief.

    7. They have amazing skills like memorizing entire functions that are used more frequently such as general purpose functions. One of the girls I worked with would type out the whole thing including commented out debugging code.

    8. When I was leading a project, one of the teams was 2 days late on a delivery. The excuse offered was "we could not access [unrelated earlier completed project] files
    > for 2 days and so could not start working on this on time". I refused to accept that, so it was taken up by my manager, who found it perfectly acceptable. It was explained to me: "common files such as db access functions and template handling routines could not be copied over from the earlier project so it is understandable that the module was delayed" .

    I have pasted the bits in quotes from the actual email correspondence.

    I have found this practice disturbing and felt cheated every time someone got promoted over me, knowing exactly how well the person could actually do his/her job without a bunch of plagiarized functions and sample code.

    Thank you dailyWTF for the opportunity to vent.
  • nwbrown 2007-12-15 12:00
    BTW, I'm loving those sun java forums. This one has to take the cake.


    That guy Java_Beginner (who if I had to guess is a student in an American university) has a couple other funny posts, but in this one he is posting a Java class (one that uses several Swing components) and is asking how to change it into a C++ program. Classic.
  • El Quberto 2007-12-15 23:21
    Note to all the India and China bashers: about 75 percent of my colleagues and co-workers here at the University of California, San Diego are of Asian or East Asian extraction. Most of them have advanced degrees and are freaking brilliant. Pick up an IEEE or ACM journal some day and look at the authors of the papers, some day.

    The point, let me show you. No one is bashing Indians or Chinese for being from that country, but rather the complete lack of any sort of investigation into a problem before posting "email me the codez" on a forum.
  • coerdz 2007-12-16 00:07
    They don't speak Urdu in India. Indians are either Aryan or Dravidian.

    Those who are Aryan speak Indo-European languages (same family as English) such as Hindi, Sanskrit, Bengali etc. Dravidians speak the Dravidian family of languages, most popular and largest of which is Tamil.

    Interestingly enough, all of India (90% +) follows the Aryan religions (i.e., anything based on the 4 aryan holy books, the vedas). The native southern Indian (dravidian) religions are now extinct. (and/or have become part of Hinduism). That's why you'll find the holy religious symbols such as swastikas and laltikas all over India, not just the North.
  • Zip 2007-12-16 01:50
    Sadly, most of them probably would, they are not much different than those at so called "hacking" forums asking how to become "l33t hax0rs".
  • CruxOp 2007-12-16 20:19
    Steve:
    Note to all the India and China bashers: about 75 percent of my colleagues and co-workers here at the University of California, San Diego are of Asian or East Asian extraction. Most of them have advanced degrees and are freaking brilliant. Pick up an IEEE or ACM journal some day and look at the authors of the papers, some day.

    Without them, most of our labs would dry up and blow away.

    Their language skills may leave something to be desired but I don't speak Mandarin or Urdu all that well, myself, so they're a couple of notches on the accomplishment scale there, too.


    India and china literally produce millions of new coders with BAs per year.

    Here's a rule of thumb: If they come to the US, they're brilliant. All of the immigrant students in my college are part of the top 2% of their graduating class in their country. They came to the USA to get paid.

    If they stay in their native land then:

    A) They're patriotic *wave flag*

    or more likely:

    B) They barely managed to scrape together enough knowledge to graduate, and barely managed to get hired with that. They're no good.
  • anoop 2007-12-17 02:52
    Not being picky! Urdu is hardly Indian ( if you are speaking about Chinese and Indian major languages...) You would normally use Hindi or one/few of the other major languages like Kannada (from Bangalore), Telugu (Hyderabad) or Marathi, Tamil, Bengali, Gujarati, Tulu, Punjabi, Malayalam, Oriya, etc etc - but Urdu is the least likely!
  • anoop 2007-12-17 02:54
    Steve:
    Note to all the India and China bashers: about 75 percent of my colleagues and co-workers here at the University of California, San Diego are of Asian or East Asian extraction. Most of them have advanced degrees and are freaking brilliant. Pick up an IEEE or ACM journal some day and look at the authors of the papers, some day.

    Without them, most of our labs would dry up and blow away.

    Their language skills may leave something to be desired but I don't speak Mandarin or Urdu all that well, myself, so they're a couple of notches on the accomplishment scale there, too.


    Not being picky! Urdu is hardly Indian ( if you are speaking about Chinese and Indian major languages...) You would normally use Hindi or one/few of the other major languages like Kannada (from Bangalore), Telugu (Hyderabad) or Marathi, Tamil, Bengali, Gujarati, Tulu, Punjabi, Malayalam, Oriya, etc etc - but Urdu is the least likely!
  • bzzzt 2007-12-17 07:25
    Enough to make some people worried:
    http://ubuntuforums.org/announcement.php?a=54
  • tiro 2007-12-17 14:15
    Sadly, this thread doesn't seem to be in the Sun forums any longer. Guess one of the Sun mods is a fan of TDWTF.
  • Neil 2007-12-17 17:48
    In case the above link didn't work for you (it didn't for me), here's another: [url]http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=150292&messageID=429907[url]...or you can just google for "java sms", and it's the second result, sadly enough.
  • assclown 2007-12-18 11:54
    If they where brilliant they wouldn't be asking for teh codez.

    I've met my share of good and bad programmers of different races and people love to make this a race thing which is fucking lame.

    The whole point was getting a laugh about the programmers that think that the others should be doing their work because they can't be troubled to look enough or figure out how.
  • Shill 2007-12-19 09:24
    [quote user="real_aardvark"][quote]
    PS "Analyzing" is spelled with an "s", not a "z." You're welcome.[/quote]

    Not in American English which is the language commonly in use on this site. If it bothers you that there are different dialects of the English language, perhaps you should take up the issue with British people who created the conditions which necessarily led to the dialects when they colonized half the world.
  • dudz 2007-12-19 11:33
    I am working on a project where i ned to send sms, it is urgent plez tell e how to send sms java api!!!!!!
  • real_aardvark 2007-12-20 10:49
    Shill:
    real_aardvark:

    PS "Analyzing" is spelled with an "s", not a "z." You're welcome.

    Not in American English which is the language commonly in use on this site. If it bothers you that there are different dialects of the English language, perhaps you should take up the issue with British people who created the conditions which necessarily led to the dialects when they colonized half the world.

    Nope, it's spelled with an 's' in American English, too. (Tho' I'm sure that the dictionaries get it wrong... :} ) The Greek root features a sigma, not a zeta. The basic cause of the error is nothing at all to do with "dialect" and everything to do with a false analogy from the "ization"/"isation" suffixes.

    Not sure that Ameringlish is the majority language on this site, in any case. And your suggestion is just plain weird -- I could take up my irritation at persistent ignorance with Noah W., were he still alive, but it's hard to see how arguing with long-deceased members of, say, the Indian Civil Service (all of whom learned Greek at school anyhoo) would alleviate this sad state of affairs.
  • Shill 2007-12-20 11:46
    real_aardvark:
    Shill:
    real_aardvark:

    PS "Analyzing" is spelled with an "s", not a "z." You're welcome.

    Not in American English which is the language commonly in use on this site. If it bothers you that there are different dialects of the English language, perhaps you should take up the issue with British people who created the conditions which necessarily led to the dialects when they colonized half the world.

    Nope, it's spelled with an 's' in American English, too. (Tho' I'm sure that the dictionaries get it wrong... :} ) The Greek root features a sigma, not a zeta. The basic cause of the error is nothing at all to do with "dialect" and everything to do with a false analogy from the "ization"/"isation" suffixes.


    Let's see; dictionary.com agrees with me, not you. As does m-w.com. Google suggests using analyzing when I search for analysing. MS Word just changes analysing to analyzing without involving me at all. It's amazing all these authorities have it wrong when you have it right.


    Not sure that Ameringlish is the majority language on this site, in any case. And your suggestion is just plain weird -- I could take up my irritation at persistent ignorance with Noah W., were he still alive, but it's hard to see how arguing with long-deceased members of, say, the Indian Civil Service (all of whom learned Greek at school anyhoo) would alleviate this sad state of affairs.


    From my perspective you were complaining about the use of American English vs British English, which should make the suggestion clearer. You will have to forgive me for making the mistake and not realizing that you were railing against ignorance; I did not have access to the one authority (i.e. you) in the world that knows the actual spelling of analyzing (oops, there we go again; BTW Firefox prefers the z) in American English.
  • Lex 2007-12-22 11:59
    robaker:
    If someone were to post some malicious 'codes' in response, how many of them would just paste it in and run it?


    Hahaha, that's brilliant! :)
  • t3h ub3r k1tten 2007-12-26 01:11
    I made some Java code to call a PHP script to send text messages before.

    Here it is in case people don't have access to the servers needed for the messaging API:
    http://www.rscheata.net/tp/index.php/topic,11900.0.html
  • adwin 2008-01-04 03:56
    if you googling "java sms" then the this thread will come first.

    the correct thread is
    http://forum.java.sun.com/thread.jspa?threadID=150292

    have fun!
  • adwin 2008-01-04 04:00
    they should use social networking for searching the answer. I found many answer using this :D
    http://del.icio.us/tag/java+sms

    students should learn how to use google and some social bookmarking to do their assignment. I use alot delicious for my job and for searching scripts :D
  • brach 2008-01-04 20:12
    I usually do that XD, and if it worked or do something that i need, i read it to understand what it does
  • Josh 2008-03-25 11:42
    Actually, can someone please send me this code too?

    ;)
  • Martin 2008-04-11 06:39
    what a thread.. keep going on.. most enjoyable...
  • What the fucking hell? 2008-04-14 03:21
    Post Malicious code?

    Wow. Someone just re-invented fun!
  • prescott 2008-04-16 04:05
    i really need the code to change world!!!
    here is my e-mail id -: changetheworld@codestealers.steal
  • TANUSRI GHOSH 2008-04-24 08:11
    Publius:
    The Needful:
    And what percentage of the requestors appear to be from the subcontinent? Go ahead and flame, but my experience is that the originators of these kinds of requests are inordinately Indian or Pakistani.


    Exactly! I've seen much worse than this post, and they'll post their questions in an article that's not remotely relevant. Like a Microsoft MVP (not even an employee) made a post about how Visual Basic was having its 10th birthday, he didn't even discuss code, but he had 10 pages of comments like "Dear sir, Kindly give me the vbcode, how to cofigure USB port. I am using Righttag scanner to read & write data into tag using vbapplication. Here is my e-mail address: khalid_hanifm@yahoo.com. thanx."

    Also, if you go to http://indiansex4u.com/ (NSFW, a message board where Indians post gross amateur porn of their wives), all of the comments are Indians talking to the women in the pornographic images, as if they think the women in the pictures actually live inside the webpage. "Hello my friend nice the sexy lady! I have 9 inch huge rod 4 u, how u liek tht? email me farzadmn2@yahoo.com plz".

    This phenomenon of addressing the women in sexy images as real people inside the computer is characteristic of Brasilians too, except that Brasilians don't bother speaking English, so they take their delusion a step further in thinking that a sexy American woman not only lives inside the webpage, but that she speaks Portuguese and is seriously tempted to move back to Brasil with him and live in his favela.
  • TANUSRI GHOSH 2008-04-24 08:17
  • TANUSRI GHOSH 2008-04-24 08:26
    TANUSRI GHOSH:

    dear all,
    Am femail 26 yrs.. from india calcutta .. like to sale my sex to others against money.. if any one intersted ple contact me over e-mail..
    satus : 5:8" fare bige boods ; nice sex ass.

    pls ask for sex over mail aginst money..

    rgds,
    tanu
  • TANUSRI GHOSH 2008-04-24 08:31
    plase e-mail me to get sex against money :

    callsom@yahoo.com

    also please provide me the phone no. to get in touch for sex against money..
  • Suni 2008-05-02 04:53
    Publius:
    The Needful:
    And what percentage of the requestors appear to be from the subcontinent? Go ahead and flame, but my experience is that the originators of these kinds of requests are inordinately Indian or Pakistani.


    Exactly! I've seen much worse than this post, and they'll post their questions in an article that's not remotely relevant. Like a Microsoft MVP (not even an employee) made a post about how Visual Basic was having its 10th birthday, he didn't even discuss code, but he had 10 pages of comments like "Dear sir, Kindly give me the vbcode, how to cofigure USB port. I am using Righttag scanner to read & write data into tag using vbapplication. Here is my e-mail address: khalid_hanifm@yahoo.com. thanx."

    Also, if you go to http://indiansex4u.com/ (NSFW, a message board where Indians post gross amateur porn of their wives), all of the comments are Indians talking to the women in the pornographic images, as if they think the women in the pictures actually live inside the webpage. "Hello my friend nice the sexy lady! I have 9 inch huge rod 4 u, how u liek tht? email me farzadmn2@yahoo.com plz".

    This phenomenon of addressing the women in sexy images as real people inside the computer is characteristic of Brasilians too, except that Brasilians don't bother speaking English, so they take their delusion a step further in thinking that a sexy American woman not only lives inside the webpage, but that she speaks Portuguese and is seriously tempted to move back to Brasil with him and live in his favela.
  • Jay 2008-05-05 11:04
    DOA:
    Don't you just love it when Americans talk about offshorers online? Like the internet is located in the US and the rest of us are simply tapping in?


    Yeah, it seems like every country in the world other than the U.S. is run by a bunch of foreigners! France is completely dominated by French people, India by Indians, etc. No wonder all these other countries are so messed up.
  • Jay 2008-05-05 11:10
    What gets me is when you try to give a helpful reply on a forum, and the person you're trying to help insults you. Like, one of my favorites, someone posted a question, I posted a reply, and then he wrote back beginning, "READ THE ENTIRE QUESTION BEFORE ANSWERING AND NOT JUST THE TITLE!!" and went on to ridicule me for not giving him a useful answer. Of course I had in fact read his entire post. I guess I misunderstood what he was trying to ask, whether because his question was poorly worded or because I mis-read it, whatever. But it just seems to me elementary common sense that if you're asking people to help you, there's nothing to gain by being rude and insulting to them. If there was a misunderstanding, maybe if you re-word your question they'll be able to help. I certainly was't interested in trying to help him any further after that.
  • Dan 2008-05-05 17:09
    Steve,

    While there are brilliant Chinese and Indians, there are also mind-numbingly stupid Indians and Chinese, as well as those who may be smart, but their language skills are so poor that you end up explaining things 3 or 4 times (or producing code 3 or 4 times) until they understand.

    The frustrating part is not that they exist - stupid Americans exist too. The frustrating part is that because they have a foreign name, they're assumed to be brilliant. And because their hourly rate is low, they're assumed to be saving money. In reality, they're often costing the company far more money in wasted time and effort than would be the case if the company just hired a developer. Add to that the complexities of dealing with time zones and zero face-to-face interaction, and it's my contention that thousands of companies are wasting far more money in the name of "outsourcing" than they would be if they just did the work themselves.
  • EREWS 2008-05-24 01:57
    spathi-wa:
    This really is the way most coders work here. The better ones get picked up for better positions and more often than not opt to go abroad for "on-site" work.

    For the rest of us, i.e. those who don't get chosen to represent a company abroad, or (like me) those who choose to not go, this method of getting work done is pretty much par for the course.

    One of my old PMs described the local situation very well: "it's a festival of mediocrity"

    Most other occupations do not require innovation on a day to day basis, so it doesn't really apply outside the coding profession. The stereotype may have formed recently, because I have not seen any discussions on this before. But this method is the way of life for most of the programmers I have worked with over the years.

    I am not sure of the origin of this practise but I can guess it comes from a combination of things, the most apparent being:


    --


    1. Laziness

    2. Lack of basic programming knowledge, including not knowing how to search documentation.

    3. Local culture encouraging the copy-paste practise. School going kids often don't understand basic english, do not employ it outside the academic need for reading or speaking english. It is easier and better to learn everything by rote to get through school and college. This is where we first learn to take someone else's formed opinion (or function), modify it slightly to fit the current question (or requirement) and pass it off as our own.

    4. Finally, the lack of meaningful vocational guidance. CS courses are the most sought after in diploma and degree colleges. Seats are limited for every type of course and so only the best students, i.e. the students who have most successfully followed the template-answer pattern in school, get admissions in CS courses.

    This leads to situations where a student who is academically excellent chooses CS purely because they will get a high paying job quickly in CMM3+ companies just for coming out on top. I have not completed college, but I have no problems with this trend except for the fact that the CS courses teach them nothing practical that they can apply in their jobs. We were still teaching COBOL, FORTRAN 2 years ago. I hear they have recently updated curriculum to include linux and .net programming in the final semester.

    What this amounts to is that innovative, inspired programming is not encouraged by faculty, because they lack the understanding to read code to see how well it works, and the time to compile every student's submission and test it. Few students have a genuine interest in the vocation.

    If (for example) civil engineering was paying better and did not provide too much of a challenge during the job, the same kids would opt for civil engineering sooner than CS. Aptitude and ambition rarely come into the picture.


    --

    Today we have a large number of CS graduates who are not fit to be employed without at least 2 months of training. More than that we have many non CS graduates who have taken 6-24 month "professional computer training" courses that attempt to teach them several computer languages. While these people manage to "learn" the languages, they still dont know how to program. The desire to do as little as possible to get the job and keep it shows itself right from the school/college level.

    The approach to the professional training is similar to what they did in school and college and while they have many certificates showing how well they did back then, their work rarely reflects the grades.

    Now I'm not sure how academia works in the West, and I feel it can't be too different, but I have worked with a few USA and UK programmers employed by our clients, and I can say that even the ones who did not have professional or academic CS training had a much more professional outlook and approach than the CS graduates and double graduates that I have worked with. This is the main reason why I feel it has more to do with vocational guidance than "just the way schools work here".

    Today getting an MBA is the guarantee to the highest paying jobs, and getting a CS/IT related MBA is the most sought after educational qualification.

    I know that I have made generalizations and I want to clarify that I am not exaggerating anything. When I say most, I really mean most. Of the ~100 local programmers I have worked with, less than 10 were actually interested in knowing how to do their job. 6 of these are now abroad. One is working for Yahoo India. Most (sorry) of the rest are still with the same company they were with when I first met them. I didn't find the Paula "Brillant" WTF as funny as the people who commented on it. Accepting a job without knowing how to do it, not admitting failure, endless excuses and hemming and hawing over delays is kind of standard procedure for some people here. They will switch jobs before they get fired, and keep them till their seniors start complaining.

    Of the ~40 US/UK and IT professionals I have worked with, 3 were self declared hobbyists who learned a bit of PHP over a few weekends. Only one IT dude (a system admin, not a programmer) was stuck up and refused to fix simple issues like updating the connection string in the web.config file without us sending a complete new "package" containing all the site files, a db dump, and the updated web.config file. And I am inclined to chalk that incident up to policy rather than a fear of breaking the unknown.

    I am not sure if this answers your queries, but I have done my best to analyse the situation. It's not very easy to do for me because I live here and much of this is not exceptional unless seen from an outsider's point of view.

    If you have any more questions, feel free to ask.


    DesignSpatial:
    spathi-wa,

    Your post provides some good insights on how those who are asking for "teh codez" do their work. It's certainly a different way of working than most of us in the West are familiar with.

    Is what you describe a stereotype, or is this truly the way that many coders work there? If it's the norm, what do you think the causes are for it? Is it the corporate culture, or the teaching methods in the school system, or is it the business models of particular companies? Does this mode of working extend to other occupations? I'd be interested in hearing your views on this.

    Jon.


    spathi-wa:
    Tei:
    You can send SMS messages trough email. is called email2sms gateways.
    Are paid servides.


    (quote snipped, find the post here )

    I have found this practice disturbing and felt cheated every time someone got promoted over me, knowing exactly how well the person could actually do his/her job without a bunch of plagiarized functions and sample code.

    Thank you dailyWTF for the opportunity to vent.
  • CogDissident 2008-06-17 15:37
    I see a forum experiment coming on...
  • Zack 2008-07-21 03:19
    robaker:
    If someone were to post some malicious 'codes' in response, how many of them would just paste it in and run it?


    Ha. Most of them.
  • d4ve 2008-08-11 23:51
    Interesting idea...
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  • bilawal 2008-11-11 01:26
    i will join your e-mail & sms chating & give me a answer
    {this is my cell num#0332-3533253}
  • bilawal 2008-11-11 01:27
    i will join your e-mail & sms chating & give me a answer
    {this is my cell num#0332-3533253}
  • qweqweqwee 2009-01-01 02:43
    Email me that too
    Rtmchef@aol.com
  • Brian Smith 2012-01-24 15:37
    Just about everyone :)
  • Scotto 2013-09-19 18:01
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