Re: 1.2: First Job

I have had absolutely zero luck with recruiters, and I don't know how many I've dealt with. Twenty at least. They lie. Constantly. (Every job I've gotten has been the result of knowing someone in the company that got me an interview.)

The last recruiter I dealt with said the hiring company was okay with limited telecommuting (which was a necessity for me at the time), and yet when I finally spoke to someone at the company, this was not the case. I don't understand what the recruiter stood to gain by lying. Did he think that I would be so enamoured with the company that I'd just throw my obligations out the window? All he did was waste my time, and the hiring company's time.

I've chosen to never deal with a recruiter again, even though I suspect that will lead to me having to leave this field.
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Re: 1.2: First Job

2008-02-13 09:34 • by Evil Otto (unregistered)
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You're lucky that's ALL they lied to you about.

The job I had before this one (found through the Judge Group - never ever ever EVER work with these scumbags) was represented to me with a level of compensation that turned out to be $20,000 more than what the job actually paid me in total. They lied about the bonus structure (I guess it's really easy to mistake 1.5% of your total salary for $1000 to $5000, which is what they told me), they lied to me about the 401k match (what, the vesting percentages aren't the same thing as the employee match? Wait, it's actually illegal for a company to match up to 20% of your salary into the 401k?).

Current job was found by my company putting an ad on Monster, and searching through the resume listings for good candidates. Came in, talked with my current boss, got the offer that evening.

THIS IS THE WAY IT'S SUPPOSED TO WORK. Recruiters only exist to line their own pockets at the expense of making it harder to get a job. They profit off of our skills because the only skills they have are lying, cheating, and schmoozing. I'd like to see the whole industry legislated out of existence (or at the very least regulated to the point where EVERYTHING MUST BE IN WRITING.)

In a similar vein, my advice to those who must deal with these leeches because they have the job market sewn up:

1) Do NOT go to meet them just to 'meet the team' or to 'talk about your background'. Ask them if they have a particular position in mind, and to tell you about it. If they don't, tell them you are going on so many interviews that you have to be selective about how you budget your time (even if that's a complete lie - they lie to you, so you better lie to them). If they do describe a position, make sure you ask if it's still open and when the company is looking to place someone. I've shown up at a recruiting office only to be told that the position they told me about had been filled 3 days ago, by someone other than the person I talked to. (Gotta love catching them in a lie.)
2) Ask if it's ok to come in wearing 'business casual' clothes. Don't waste a dry-cleaning on these scumbags. If they want you to come in in a suit, it's a red flag that they're looking to have you make an emotional investment in working for them.
3) IF IT ISN'T IN WRITING, IT DIDN'T HAPPEN. If there is an offer, make DAMN SURE you contact the client company first to confirm the details of the offer. If the recruiter asks you not to contact them directly, ignore them. You have to look out for your own interests, because they sure as hell aren't going to.
4) Ask who the client company is as early as possible. They may not tell you right away, but eventually they'll tell you where you have to go for an interview. At the very least you'll be able to do some homework on the company, to find out what kind of a place it is to work, what their business prospects are, what kind of business they're in, and so forth. It may turn out that the reason they're using recruiters is that their turnover is huge because they treat their people like crap. If you haven't signed anything with the recruiter indicating that you won't contact the client directly, check to see if the job is posted online and contact them directly. Chances are the company will realize that they can save the recruiter's fee by not using them, and agree to talk to you. However, don't mention the recruiter at all to the client company; they may not appreciate your end-run (even though it's better for everyone involved.)
5) Remember that until you verify otherwise yourself, EVERY WORD THAT COMES OUT OF THEIR MOUTHS IS A LIE.
6) Recruiters make money by placing people. If they want to charge YOU for getting placed, turn around and RUN, not walk, away.
7) Remember that without you, they make no money. Comport yourself accordingly, and don't take any crap from them.

Why yes, I have been screwed over by many recruiters; I seem to be a slow learner. RHT actually wanted ME to pay THEM once to find me a job. When I didn't have the $3700 they wanted, that was that.
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