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fist!

Brilliant!  Second post???

Anonymous:

fist!

Obey the fist!

omg... so much for certificated employees



guess secound posts missing an "r"

Detailed instructions on connecting two hubs together?

I cringe to think of the interview process that admitted this guy.

I think the point was that he WASN'T certificated.

Having said that, the spirit of your reply rings true.

Some people are VERY good interviewers.  I once had a co-worker who knew absolutely nothing, but was good at two things:

1. Short-term memorization.
2. Bullshit.

The former would last a couple of days.  He was a certified EVERYTHING because of it, and could pass any interview or client meeting with one nights study, and would remember everything for about three days.  Then he was useless again.

He was also the best bullshitter I've EVER met.  Seriously.  It was only matched by his incompetence.

Unfortunately they're out there.

sammybaby:

Detailed instructions on connecting two hubs together?

Well, with 24 ports, that's 24! (or is it 24²⁴?) possible combinations...
Which one is best?

Anonymous:

Brilliant!  

Obviously new here...

I have my opinions about the value of certifications.  Nonetheless, the company is partly to blame for hiring him. 

Mistake #1: not having the proper interviewing staff to evaluate the skill set.  This one isn't always possible for small companies, I realize. 

Mistake #2: Not verifying credentials.  If you put value on the certification, as an employer, you should verify it, as you should verify employment history and education.  ESPECIALLY if you're violating rule 1.    

Anonymous:

I have my opinions about the value of certifications.  Nonetheless, the company is partly to blame for hiring him. 

Mistake #1: not having the proper interviewing staff to evaluate the skill set.  This one isn't always possible for small companies, I realize. 

Mistake #2: Not verifying credentials.  If you put value on the certification, as an employer, you should verify it, as you should verify employment history and education.  ESPECIALLY if you're violating rule 1.    

Agreed.  My company does background checks on all incoming employees.

Ah yes, the certification game.  Whenever I hear someone brag about being certified like this, it reminds me of this quote from Tommy Boy:


Ted:
But why do they put a guarantee on the box then?



Tommy:
Because they know all they sold ya was a guaranteed piece of shit.
That's all it is. Hey, if you want me to take a dump in a box and mark
it guaranteed, I will. I got spare time.


The people who brag about being certified in something are usually the ones who don't actually deserve the certification...

-ds

Was this by any chance before the advent of Google? The inability to find something on a search engine might be more baffling than his inability to do his core job

John Smallberries:

sammybaby:

Detailed instructions on connecting two hubs together?

Well, with 24 ports, that's 24! (or is it 24²⁴?) possible combinations...
Which one is best?

24² (

umm... wtf.

 wtf is this the fact this is on our wtf site.

.

 no shit some dipshit lied to get a job.

 im sure that happens everyday.



lets get some Code up in here dammit.

 I wanna see some hard hitting REAL wtf code

perferably c++ .. I know C++ wtf code is Hard to find.

 cause us c++ guys always do Everything right the First time.



I've been trying to get the boss to let me post some co-worker code.

 but he wont let me ..

 rofl.



I was thinking posting some of mine. Im sure i've got some good ones here somewhere....

At a prior job, I was once told by a Manager that he'd never hire another programmer with a certification.

"Why ?", I asked.

"Because the people who know what they're doing are too busy working to take those tests."

No trolling here (I'm actually thinking about getting my MCSD) -- just relaying his insight which is true all too often.

Anonymous:

John Smallberries:

sammybaby:

Detailed instructions on connecting two hubs together?

Well, with 24 ports, that's 24! (or is it 24²⁴?) possible combinations...
Which one is best?

24² (

I ain't certified but I think if you want them FULLY connected, it is 24!, ensuring that every port on hub a is connected to a port on hub b. 

The best performance would be the parallel one - a1 <-> b1, a2 <-> b2 cus everybody knows that ethernet ports like other ethernet ports with the same number.

Alex Papadimoulis:

Shortly after that this guy was fired. The final straw being that his manager found a fax on the fax machine that was addressed to him, containing detailed instructions on connecting two hubs together. The worst part about the fax, was that it came from our competitor.

I wonder, since it came from the competitor, did they give him bad instructions that would cause the entire computer system to blow up?

POd:

umm... wtf.

 wtf is this the fact this is on our wtf site.

.

 no shit some dipshit lied to get a job.

 im sure that happens everyday.



lets get some Code up in here dammit.

 I wanna see some hard hitting REAL wtf code

perferably c++ .. I know C++ wtf code is Hard to find.

 cause us c++ guys always do Everything right the First time.



I've been trying to get the boss to let me post some co-worker code.

 but he wont let me ..

 rofl.



I was thinking posting some of mine. Im sure i've got some good ones here somewhere....

Actually, I kind of like the variety.
Sometimes the posts with only a story and no code are the best ones. Popup Popourii is also a favorite of mine. A little creativity and doing something a little different never hurt.

bugmenot:

Anonymous:

John Smallberries:

sammybaby:

Detailed instructions on connecting two hubs together?

Well, with 24 ports, that's 24! (or is it 24²⁴?) possible combinations...
Which one is best?

24² (

I ain't certified but I think if you want them FULLY connected, it is 24!, ensuring that every port on hub a is connected to a port on hub b. 

The best performance would be the parallel one - a1 <-> b1, a2 <-> b2 cus everybody knows that ethernet ports like other ethernet ports with the same number.

In that case, it'd just be 24, since you can't connect more than one wire into a port... [8-|]

Anonymous:

bugmenot:

Anonymous:

John Smallberries:

sammybaby:

Detailed instructions on connecting two hubs together?

Well, with 24 ports, that's 24! (or is it 24²⁴?) possible combinations...
Which one is best?

24² (

I ain't certified but I think if you want them FULLY connected, it is 24!, ensuring that every port on hub a is connected to a port on hub b. 

The best performance would be the parallel one - a1 <-> b1, a2 <-> b2 cus everybody knows that ethernet ports like other ethernet ports with the same number.

In that case, it'd just be 24, since you can't connect more than one wire into a port... [8-|]

1st case:
a1<->b1
a2<->b2
a3<->b3

a4<->b4
a5<->b5

a6<->b6
.
.
.
a24<->b24

2nd case:
a1<->b2
b2<->b3
.
.
.
a24<->b1

3rd:
a1<->b3
a2<->b4
.
.
.
a23<->b1
a24<->b2

.
.
.

25th case:

a1<->b1
a2<->b3
.
.
.

Do I gotta lay them all out for you?

Sheesh - who is training mathematicians and network engineers these days.

Anonymous:

bugmenot:

Anonymous:

John Smallberries:

sammybaby:

Detailed instructions on connecting two hubs together?

Well, with 24 ports, that's 24! (or is it 24²⁴?) possible combinations...
Which one is best?

24² (

I ain't certified but I think if you want them FULLY connected, it is 24!, ensuring that every port on hub a is connected to a port on hub b. 

The best performance would be the parallel one - a1 <-> b1, a2 <-> b2 cus everybody knows that ethernet ports like other ethernet ports with the same number.

In that case, it'd just be 24, since you can't connect more than one wire into a port... [8-|]

Aww, you're just not imaginative enough!  There are, after all, 8 wires in each of those little plastic thingys.  Whe says we have to be limited to keeping them all together?

Anonymous:

umm... wtf.

 wtf is this the fact this is on our wtf site.

What's with this "**Our** wtf site", Mister 'Not Registered'?

Furrfu!  Intuitively, wouldn't you just connect a cable from the 1 end of one 24-to-1 hub to one of the 24 ends of the other 24-to-1 hub, effectively turning them into a single 47-to-1 unit?  (Not a troll; I'm a software guy, not a network guy, so this is an honest educated guess.)

Alex Papadimoulis:

 I was working at a medium sized "body shop"
before the bubble burst days. Our internetworking team had just hired
on a new engineer who dazzled them with the latest buzz-words and
claimed he was a Cisco Certified Engineer.

Perhaps he meant "SYSCO Certified Engineer".  You know, certified in delivery of napkins and plastic utensils and such.

bugmenot:

Anonymous:

John Smallberries:

sammybaby:

Detailed instructions on connecting two hubs together?

Well, with 24 ports, that's 24! (or is it 24²⁴?) possible combinations...
Which one is best?

24² (

I
ain't certified but I think if you want them FULLY connected, it is
24!, ensuring that every port on hub a is connected to a port on hub
b. 

The best performance would be the parallel one - a1
<-> b1, a2 <-> b2 cus everybody knows that ethernet ports
like other ethernet ports with the same number.

I don't know about you, but when I connect two hubs together I prefer
to have open ports so I can, you know, plug computers into it.  So
a simple one port on A to one port on B is sufficient.  In that
case it's 24*24 since there's 24 ports on A, choose 1, and 24 ports on
B, choose 1.



And, no, if you fully connected them then you'd have more than 24!
since you can pick the port on A as well.  It would be 24!^2 since
it's 24! ways to plug in 24 wires into B and then 24! ways to plug the
other ends into A.



If you wanted to count the ways to parallel plug in cables (port 1 on A
to port 1 on B) then that's 24! ways since you are only picking one
port with 24 wires.

Anonymous:

Brilliant!  Second post???

You spelled Billant wrong.

Anonymous:

Anonymous:

Brilliant!  Second post???

You spelled Billant wrong.

I mean, you spelled Brillant wrong.  Heh.

emurphy:

Furrfu!  Intuitively, wouldn't you just
connect a cable from the 1 end of one 24-to-1 hub to one of the 24 ends
of the other 24-to-1 hub, effectively turning them into a single
47-to-1 unit?  (Not a troll; I'm a software guy, not a network
guy, so this is an honest educated guess.)

That'd be 46-to-1 since a port is taken up on both hubs. :)  But,
yes, the goal is that the 23 computers on hub A can communicate with
the 23 computers on hub B making it, essentialy, a 46 port hub.

marvin_rabbit:

Aww, you're just not imaginative enough!  There are, after all, 8 wires in each of those little plastic thingys.  Whe says we have to be limited to keeping them all together?

This is why they gave up on coax - trying to compute the mose efficient way of separating and reconnecting each of those thin wires in the braid was taking more time than the budget allowed.

Plus, for dual coax, 'splaining the difference tween the blue data and the red data was to challenging for most engineers.  Rumor has it that is why Wang went out of the hardware business.

Man, this forum software needs a spellchecker.  Countless misspellings today.

Anonymous:

Man, this forum software needs a spellchecker.  Countless misspellings today.

I'd correct my posts but...

Anonymous:

emurphy:

Furrfu!  Intuitively, wouldn't you just
connect a cable from the 1 end of one 24-to-1 hub to one of the 24 ends
of the other 24-to-1 hub, effectively turning them into a single
47-to-1 unit?  (Not a troll; I'm a software guy, not a network
guy, so this is an honest educated guess.)

That'd be 46-to-1 since a port is taken up on both hubs. :)  But,
yes, the goal is that the 23 computers on hub A can communicate with
the 23 computers on hub B making it, essentialy, a 46 port hub.

Of course at that point you're better off using a switch. 46 busy systems will cause a lot of collisions...

Sincerely,
Mike N

Strydyr:

At a prior job, I was once told by a Manager that he'd never hire another programmer with a certification.

"Why ?", I asked.

"Because the people who know what they're doing are too busy working to take those tests."

No trolling here (I'm actually thinking about getting my MCSD) -- just relaying his insight which is true all too often.

I had a coworker tell me that he was glad he didn't interview me. He said that had he interviewed me, he would not have hired me because I have an M.S. in Computer Science and he thinks that people with advanced degrees do not know how to program or how to make it in the real world. (note: he said he was glad he didn't interview me because he was glad I was on the team).

That same person later asked me how to upcast an object type....and why it couldn't be done in OO.

I.e. He asked me why you couldn't do this:

Object a = new Object();
String b = (String) a;

So anyway.

And remember to use a crosswired cable. But it should not be the "host
<-> host" kind. It must be crossed counter clockwise when it is
used for hubs and switches :-)



Yours censorerely

Thomas

Anonymous:

umm... wtf.

 wtf is this the fact this is on our wtf site.

.

 no shit some dipshit lied to get a job.

 im sure that happens everyday.



lets get some Code up in here dammit.

 I wanna see some hard hitting REAL wtf code

perferably c++ .. I know C++ wtf code is Hard to find.

 cause us c++ guys always do Everything right the First time.



I've been trying to get the boss to let me post some co-worker code.

 but he wont let me ..

 rofl.



I was thinking posting some of mine. Im sure i've got some good ones here somewhere....

Behold a classic example of an intelligent post. 

Anonymous:

Strydyr:

At a prior job, I was once told by a Manager that he'd never hire another programmer with a certification.

"Why ?", I asked.

"Because the people who know what they're doing are too busy working to take those tests."

No trolling here (I'm actually thinking about getting my MCSD) -- just relaying his insight which is true all too often.

I had a coworker tell me that he was glad he didn't interview me. He said that had he interviewed me, he would not have hired me because I have an M.S. in Computer Science and he thinks that people with advanced degrees do not know how to program or how to make it in the real world. (note: he said he was glad he didn't interview me because he was glad I was on the team).

That same person later asked me how to upcast an object type....and why it couldn't be done in OO.

I.e. He asked me why you couldn't do this:

Object a = new Object();
String b = (String) a;

So anyway.

Yeah, dude. People who couldn't afford to go to school are idiots.

Anonymous:

I don't know about you, but when I connect two hubs together I prefer to have open ports so I can, you know, plug computers into it.  So a simple one port on A to one port on B is sufficient.  In that case it's 24*24 since there's 24 ports on A, choose 1, and 24 ports on B, choose 1.

And, no, if you fully connected them then you'd have more than 24! since you can pick the port on A as well.  It would be 24!^2 since it's 24! ways to plug in 24 wires into B and then 24! ways to plug the other ends into A.

If you wanted to count the ways to parallel plug in cables (port 1 on A to port 1 on B) then that's 24! ways since you are only picking one port with 24 wires.

You have the common sense part down but your combinatorial mathematics are lacking.  It is indeed 24 factorial, assuming you would not go to and from a port on the same hub and you aren't distinguishing one cable from another.  Port 1 on A can go to 24 ports on B.  Port 2 on A can then go to 23 ports on B...Port 24 on A can go to 1 port on B.  That is 24!.

Djinn:

Anonymous:

Strydyr:

At a prior job, I was once told by a Manager that he'd never hire another programmer with a certification.

"Why ?", I asked.

"Because the people who know what they're doing are too busy working to take those tests."

No trolling here (I'm actually thinking about getting my MCSD) -- just relaying his insight which is true all too often.

I had a coworker tell me that he was glad he didn't interview me. He said that had he interviewed me, he would not have hired me because I have an M.S. in Computer Science and he thinks that people with advanced degrees do not know how to program or how to make it in the real world. (note: he said he was glad he didn't interview me because he was glad I was on the team).

That same person later asked me how to upcast an object type....and why it couldn't be done in OO.

I.e. He asked me why you couldn't do this:

Object a = new Object();
String b = (String) a;

So anyway.

Yeah, dude. People who couldn't afford to go to school are idiots.

Hmm...didn't say that. But I will venture a guess at who is an idiot:  Djinn

Maybe just insecure. It is hard to tell on char forums.

Anonymous:

Strydyr:

At a prior job, I was once told by a Manager that he'd never hire another programmer with a certification.

"Why ?", I asked.

"Because the people who know what they're doing are too busy working to take those tests."

No trolling here (I'm actually thinking about getting my MCSD) -- just relaying his insight which is true all too often.

I had a coworker tell me that he was glad he didn't interview me. He said that had he interviewed me, he would not have hired me because I have an M.S. in Computer Science and he thinks that people with advanced degrees do not know how to program or how to make it in the real world. (note: he said he was glad he didn't interview me because he was glad I was on the team).

That same person later asked me how to upcast an object type....and why it couldn't be done in OO.

I.e. He asked me why you couldn't do this:

Object a = new Object();
String b = (String) a;

So anyway.

Well it can be done in OO.  You can use dynamic_cast<> in C++.  Being able to upclass from IUnknown is used extensively in COM. Heck, in python you can even arbitrarily change the class at runtime.  None of these options violate any official definition of OO.

JohnO:

Anonymous:

I don't know about you, but when I connect two hubs together I prefer to have open ports so I can, you know, plug computers into it.  So a simple one port on A to one port on B is sufficient.  In that case it's 24*24 since there's 24 ports on A, choose 1, and 24 ports on B, choose 1.

And, no, if you fully connected them then you'd have more than 24! since you can pick the port on A as well.  It would be 24!^2 since it's 24! ways to plug in 24 wires into B and then 24! ways to plug the other ends into A.

If you wanted to count the ways to parallel plug in cables (port 1 on A to port 1 on B) then that's 24! ways since you are only picking one port with 24 wires.

You have the common sense part down but your combinatorial mathematics are lacking.  It is indeed 24 factorial, assuming you would not go to and from a port on the same hub and you aren't distinguishing one cable from another.  Port 1 on A can go to 24 ports on B.  Port 2 on A can then go to 23 ports on B...Port 24 on A can go to 1 port on B.  That is 24!.

It's 24! if you use all 24 cables. How many more combinations are there when using only 23, 22, 21...

When using only 1 cable it's 24², right? When using 2 cables it's...ow, my brain.

Not having the money to go to school and not having the time to go to school are 2 different things.  I could have gone to college but was too busy working full time.  I had already learned the majority of what goes into a CS program by the time i was 16, so 4 years in college would have been a waste of my time and money (well except for the social aspect of it).

Anonymous:

Djinn:

Anonymous:

Strydyr:

At a prior job, I was once told by a Manager that he'd never hire another programmer with a certification.

"Why ?", I asked.

"Because the people who know what they're doing are too busy working to take those tests."

No trolling here (I'm actually thinking about getting my MCSD) -- just relaying his insight which is true all too often.

I had a coworker tell me that he was glad he didn't interview me. He said that had he interviewed me, he would not have hired me because I have an M.S. in Computer Science and he thinks that people with advanced degrees do not know how to program or how to make it in the real world. (note: he said he was glad he didn't interview me because he was glad I was on the team).

That same person later asked me how to upcast an object type....and why it couldn't be done in OO.

I.e. He asked me why you couldn't do this:

Object a = new Object();
String b = (String) a;

So anyway.

Yeah, dude. People who couldn't afford to go to school are idiots.

Hmm...didn't say that. But I will venture a guess at who is an idiot:  Djinn

Maybe just insecure. It is hard to tell on char forums.

Djinn's an idiot. Good one. I'm so sick of society putting people with degrees on a pedestal. "Oh, Jimmy Bigbucks went to Yale. Let's hire him!" when a perfectly good programmer, who ventured out on thier own to learn their trade are often not even considered for positions of which they are equally or possibly more qualified for. Because these rich kids could afford to go to good schools, they get more jobs, and more pay for them. What happens to those who had monetary issues to the extent that even a community college was out of their reach? They work doubly hard to get educated in any way possible. Books, internet, friends, any thing they can find, only to end up getting paid less, if they can even get hired.

This isn't to say people without a degree are always in this situation, or that they are more qualified. It's only the marginilization of often good programmers that is propagated and a form of prejudice. I don't think we should continue the trend of favoring those with degrees. People should be judged on thier skills. If you were in a position to get formal training, then more power to you, but don't think just because you were lucky enough to do so, that you're somehow better than the next guy.

Anonymous:

Anonymous:

Strydyr:

At a prior job, I was once told by a Manager that he'd never hire another programmer with a certification.

"Why ?", I asked.

"Because the people who know what they're doing are too busy working to take those tests."

No trolling here (I'm actually thinking about getting my MCSD) -- just relaying his insight which is true all too often.

I had a coworker tell me that he was glad he didn't interview me. He said that had he interviewed me, he would not have hired me because I have an M.S. in Computer Science and he thinks that people with advanced degrees do not know how to program or how to make it in the real world. (note: he said he was glad he didn't interview me because he was glad I was on the team).

That same person later asked me how to upcast an object type....and why it couldn't be done in OO.

I.e. He asked me why you couldn't do this:

Object a = new Object();
String b = (String) a;

So anyway.

Well it can be done in OO.  You can use dynamic_cast<> in C++.  Being able to upclass from IUnknown is used extensively in COM. Heck, in python you can even arbitrarily change the class at runtime.  None of these options violate any official definition of OO.

if I remember my c++ correctly, dynamic_cast will actually do a run-time type check, so the example listed above wouldn't work because the unerlying type of a is not a string or derived from a string.  I believe a static_cast would give you the results you want, but it's not safe...

-ds

Anonymous:

omg... so much for certificated employees



guess secound posts missing an "r"

That actually reminds me of a training I had to take. It was 600km from where I live, and the tight budget didn't allow me to get a night at a hotel (or maybe someone wanted to let the spoiled techie sleep in the train, that would teach him). Result? Instead of learning something meaningful about the piece of hardware I was supposed to work with, I fought with the invading sleep. And lost the battle.
Yet I got the certificate.
I'm just ashamed to mention it in the resume.

Gene?  Gene Wirchenko?  Anything to add today?

Sincerely,

gwfc

        Do I gotta lay them all out for you?

            Sheesh - who is training mathematicians and network engineers these days.

 Cisco... I heard they have great certifications :)

Anonymous:

Not having the money to go to school and not having the time to go to school are 2 different things.  I could have gone to college but was too busy working full time.  I had already learned the majority of what goes into a CS program by the time i was 16, so 4 years in college would have been a waste of my time and money (well except for the social aspect of it).

Get back to us in 10 years and tell us what you think then.  I was coding for money when I was 16 too.  I thought I knew it all but I went to college.  I learned a lot.  Had I not gone to college, not only would I know less (both about what I do for a living and other things as well) but my career options would have been much more limited.  You may not realize it now, but more than likely, some day in the future you will regret not going.

Wow, this company is lucky. They were actually able to fire him1

John Smallberries:

sammybaby:

Detailed instructions on connecting two hubs together?

Well, with 24 ports, that's 24! (or is it 24²⁴?) possible combinations...
Which one is best?

Try 24^2