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Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 08:05 • by Senitor Khan (unregistered)
Don't cancel - you have to pay:

Click cancel to cancel the canceling!

Or maybe click OK to agree to cancel!

I don't know!!!!!!!

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 08:08 • by Adriano
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_Difficulties
Not a band, but still not a WTF either.

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 08:11 • by Senitor Khan (unregistered)
209636 in reply to 209635
Adriano:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technical_Difficulties
Not a band, but still not a WTF either.


The ticker has nothing to do with the CD - it has everything to do with broken equipment, so it is a WTF, even if you found a CD on Wikipedia.

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 08:18 • by Jamie (unregistered)
They're right - That types does do nothing meaningful

public sealed class GridTablesFactory
{
// Methods
private GridTablesFactory()
{
}

public static DataGridTableStyle[] CreateGridTables(DataGridTableStyle gridTable, object dataSource, string dataMember, BindingContext bindingManager)
{
return new DataGridTableStyle[] { gridTable };
}
}


Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 08:24 • by Brian (unregistered)
The funniest thing in this post is the buddy icon.

"Get A BRAIN morans!"

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 08:26 • by Senitor Khan (unregistered)
209639 in reply to 209638
Brian:
The funniest thing in this post is the buddy icon.

"Get A BRAIN morans!"


The funniest thing is that someone reading The Daily WTF uses a pink background.

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 08:34 • by Markp
Jake Vinson:
If you have to call Chuck, he'd prefer that you be mindful of his negative one anytime minutes and keep the conversation brief.


I've been getting free minutes for years by .sdrawkcab gniklat emit ym fo flah gnidneps

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 08:35 • by Smash King
209646 in reply to 209639
Senitor Khan:
Brian:
The funniest thing in this post is the buddy icon.

"Get A BRAIN morans!"


The funniest thing is that someone reading The Daily WTF uses a pink background.
OMG a girl on teh internetz!!!!11oneeleven!

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 08:37 • by Code Monkey (unregistered)
209648 in reply to 209639
Both of those combined with the WTF present a perfect trifecta that is simply stupefying.

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 08:40 • by Anon (unregistered)
This comment does nothing meaningful.

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 08:40 • by CW (unregistered)
Sadly, I once had to write an app where the standard warning message for canceling out of a form was: "Are you sure you want to cancel? [OK/Cancel]" I tried to convince the business analysts that this was a bad idea, but they could never understand why...

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 08:49 • by Dave (unregistered)
The fahrenheit/celcius conversion seems to go the wrong way, there.
4,294,967,295°F is 2,386,092,923°C

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 08:50 • by Dan (unregistered)
If you commit now, you will still comment.

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Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 08:52 • by warl0ck (unregistered)
209655 in reply to 209649
Anon:
This comment does nothing meaningful.


This comment means nothing meaningful.

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 08:54 • by Tom_fun_63 (unregistered)
209657 in reply to 209649
Anon:
This comment does nothing meaningful.


This comment is nothing less than meaningless...

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 09:02 • by fbjon
209659 in reply to 209645
TRWTF is that anyone would have to be mindful about someone else's minutes. Do you guys still pay to receive calls or something?

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 09:06 • by blah (unregistered)
TRWTF is that 4,294,967,295 C = 7,730,941,163 F.

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 09:12 • by Jamie (unregistered)
209661 in reply to 209659
fbjon:
TRWTF is that anyone would have to be mindful about someone else's minutes. Do you guys still pay to receive calls or something?


Those crazy 'mericanoes do.

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 09:20 • by silent d (unregistered)
All of the other .NET types do things that are profoundly meaningful.

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 09:30 • by apetrelli
A simple Google search led me to this site:
http://www.reallivemoms.ca/connect.aspx
Ok now moms can know how to clean a baby... Now the problem is keeping the baby quiet while typing on the keyboard.
Let me see, where did I leave Valium?

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 09:31 • by Morasique (unregistered)
That OK/Cancel thing is confusing but not really a WTF; it's clear what each button does

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 09:35 • by Tom (unregistered)
This page is full of errors.

http://www.ents24.com/web/artist/117233/Error_404.html

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 09:36 • by SLaks (unregistered)
209668 in reply to 209637
Here is the actual source (from the reference source)

namespace System.Windows.Forms {
using System.Text;
using System.Runtime.Remoting;

using System.Diagnostics;
using System;
using System.Collections;
using System.ComponentModel;

using System.Windows.Forms;
using Microsoft.Win32;

/// <include file='doc\DataGridTablesFactory.uex' path='docs/doc[@for="GridTablesFactory"]/*' />
/// <devdoc>
/// <para>[To be supplied.]</para>
/// </devdoc>
public sealed class GridTablesFactory {
// private static DataTableComparer dtComparer = new DataTableComparer();

// not creatable...
//
private GridTablesFactory() {
}


/// <include file='doc\DataGridTablesFactory.uex' path='docs/doc[@for="GridTablesFactory.CreateGridTables"]/*' />
/// <devdoc>
/// Takes a DataView and creates an intelligent mapping of
/// DataView storage types into available DataColumn types.
/// </devdoc>
public static DataGridTableStyle[]
CreateGridTables(DataGridTableStyle gridTable, object dataSource, string dataMember, BindingContext bindingManager)
{
return new DataGridTableStyle[] {gridTable};
}
}
}

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 09:37 • by Senitor Khan (unregistered)
209670 in reply to 209664
Morasique:
That OK/Cancel thing is confusing but not really a WTF; it's clear what each button does


I'm sorry - Is it confusing or is it clear - your sentence is clearly confusing.

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 09:38 • by Dan (unregistered)
Oracle Enterprise Manager is a WTF of it's own. Slow, kludgy... oh, and it runs on Java. The installer is doing you a service by not installing it; go command line and you'll never go back.

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 10:05 • by anon (unregistered)
209689 in reply to 209672
Dan:
oh, and it runs on Java.

That's not a WTF. The WTF is that it runs on Java 1.1

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 10:26 • by Smash King
209694 in reply to 209672
Dan:
Oracle Enterprise Manager is a WTF of it's own. Slow, kludgy... oh, and it runs on Java.
"Slow and kludgy" were implicit when you mentioned Java.


... just missing the sensation of a flamewar ;)

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 10:28 • by Oofy (unregistered)
Bizarrely enough, there is a band called "Technical Difficulties."

http://www.garageband.com/artist/technical_difficulties/songs

Not an easy band to Google, however.

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 10:32 • by Hans (unregistered)
209697 in reply to 209650
CW:
Sadly, I once had to write an app where the standard warning message for canceling out of a form was: "Are you sure you want to cancel? [OK/Cancel]" I tried to convince the business analysts that this was a bad idea, but they could never understand why...


That's why I present all my dialogues with a verb as the first option. In this case it would be:

"Are you sure you want to cancel?"

"Yes, cancel!" "No, cancel!"

Or more succinctly

"Are you sure you want to cancel?"

"Cancel" "Cancel"


Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 10:33 • by Aaron (unregistered)
GridTablesFactory.CreateGridTables Method

This API supports the .NET Framework infrastructure and is not intended to be used directly from your code.

Returns the specified DataGridTableStyle in a one-element array.


Usually when I want to return a single element I just return it instead of wrapping it in an array, but that's why I'm not a Microsoft developer.

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 10:40 • by Bob Dole (unregistered)
From the documentation. Supported in: 3.5, 3.0 SP1, 3.0, 2.0 SP1, 2.0, 1.1, 1.0

It's good to know that meaningless types in .net stick around. I wouldn't want my old .Net 1.0 classes to stop working when we upgrade.

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 11:00 • by TwelveBaud
IL from the official Core Libraries, taken from version 1.0.3300.0 (.NET Fx 1.0)

.method public hidebysig static class

System.Windows.Forms.DataGridTableStyle[] CreateGridTables(class
System.Windows.Forms.DataGridTableStyle gridTable,
object dataSource, string dataMember, class
System.Windows.Forms.BindingContext bindingManager)
cil managed
{
.maxstack 3
.locals (
[0] class System.Windows.Forms.DataGridTableStyle[] styleArray)
ldc.i4.1
newarr System.Windows.Forms.DataGridTableStyle
stloc.0
ldloc.0
ldc.i4.0
ldarg.0
stelem.ref
ldloc.0
ret
}
(line continuations omitted)
For the not-so-assembly-inclined:
DataGridTableStyle[] CreateGridTables(DataGridTableStyle gridTable,

Object dataSource, string dataMember, BindingContext bindingManager)
{
DataGridTableStyle[] styleArray = new DataGridTableStyle[1]();
DataGridTableStyle[0] = gridTable;
return styleArray;
}

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 11:00 • by Stilgar
Hmm I wonder how MS ended up with this class. After all there is the "internal" modifier. Can't see any reason to have this class public.

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 11:06 • by CrazyBomber (unregistered)
209714 in reply to 209650
CW:
Sadly, I once had to write an app where the standard warning message for canceling out of a form was: "Are you sure you want to cancel? [OK/Cancel]" I tried to convince the business analysts that this was a bad idea, but they could never understand why...

I'm pretty sure a [YES/NO] would do the trick... wasn't that option on the enum field, next to the FileNotFound?

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 11:13 • by JimM
209717 in reply to 209712
Stilgar:
Hmm I wonder how MS ended up with this class. After all there is the "internal" modifier. Can't see any reason to have this class public.
It's good to know that the MS devs have as much difficulty with accessibility modifiers as the rest of us (I mean, "protected internal"? WHAT?).

Although I have to say that my fave fact about Visual Studio is that the executable is still called "devenv.exe".

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 11:26 • by powerlord
209726 in reply to 209650
CW:
Sadly, I once had to write an app where the standard warning message for canceling out of a form was: "Are you sure you want to cancel? [OK/Cancel]" I tried to convince the business analysts that this was a bad idea, but they could never understand why...


If this was a Windows application (not a web-app or for another OS), you should be dragged out and shot for using OK/Cancel instead of Yes/No. The Win32 API's MessageBox() and MessageBoxEx() have the uType argument to specify which type of message box you want... one of the options is the constant MB_YESNO.

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 11:26 • by Math Penguin (unregistered)
209727 in reply to 209714
No, it's next to the YES and NOT enum values.

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 11:27 • by Math Penguin (unregistered)
209729 in reply to 209714
CrazyBomber:
CW:
Sadly, I once had to write an app where the standard warning message for canceling out of a form was: "Are you sure you want to cancel? [OK/Cancel]" I tried to convince the business analysts that this was a bad idea, but they could never understand why...

I'm pretty sure a [YES/NO] would do the trick... wasn't that option on the enum field, next to the FileNotFound?


Sorry, wrong button--my above post was in reference to this one.

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 11:35 • by Anonymous Cow-Herd (unregistered)
In before the $0.00 cheque rears its ugly head.

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 11:35 • by JimM
209731 in reply to 209726
powerlord:
CW:
Sadly, I once had to write an app where the standard warning message for canceling out of a form was: "Are you sure you want to cancel? [OK/Cancel]" I tried to convince the business analysts that this was a bad idea, but they could never understand why...
If this was a Windows application (not a web-app or for another OS), you should be dragged out and shot for using OK/Cancel instead of Yes/No. The Win32 API's MessageBox() and MessageBoxEx() have the uType argument to specify which type of message box you want... one of the options is the constant MB_YESNO.
You should try reading comments before you reply to them; CW clearly said that the business analysts insisted on that message, and he advised them against it. So you're shooting the wrong person.

On the other hand, wording ANY message box "Are you sure you want to..." is a shooting offence. Most people really aren't sure about anything when it comes to computers: why increase their existential doubt? And how do you "cancel out" of anything? Or do you mean "close" the form; in which case using the word "close" in your warnings would remove all that confusion... ;^)

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 11:48 • by muttonchop (unregistered)
To avoid confusion, all my cancel confirmation dialogs use the buttons "Cancel" and "Cancel Cancel".

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 11:57 • by Adriano
209734 in reply to 209636
How do you know, exactly? As another poster said, there's even a band, nevermind a CD, called "technical difficulties".

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 12:01 • by EvanED
At least public static instances of the GridTablesFactory are threadsafe...

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 12:17 • by A. Troll (unregistered)
209741 in reply to 209662
silent d:
All of the other .NET types do things that are profoundly meaningful.


That's what all the .NET shills say.

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 12:48 • by Jamie (unregistered)
209745 in reply to 209660
The Real TRWTF is that the temperature meters are only 3/4 full!

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 12:58 • by Anonymous Coward no. 1 (unregistered)
The real WTF is that Nick's video card can't convert degrees C into degrees F.

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 13:27 • by MH (unregistered)
Hey! What about the real live dads?

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 13:51 • by Anon (unregistered)
209759 in reply to 209664
Morasique:
That OK/Cancel thing is confusing but not really a WTF; it's clear what each button does

Wait, the message is confusing? Because that wasn't the WTF I saw. I saw it as being a WTF for confirming that someone was OK with owing the massive balance of $0.00.

Considering that part of the message was first.

The second "Are you sure you want to cancel? OK/Cancel" is just gravy.

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 13:55 • by CW (unregistered)
209761 in reply to 209731
JimM:
powerlord:
CW:
Sadly, I once had to write an app where the standard warning message for canceling out of a form was: "Are you sure you want to cancel? [OK/Cancel]" I tried to convince the business analysts that this was a bad idea, but they could never understand why...
If this was a Windows application (not a web-app or for another OS), you should be dragged out and shot for using OK/Cancel instead of Yes/No. The Win32 API's MessageBox() and MessageBoxEx() have the uType argument to specify which type of message box you want... one of the options is the constant MB_YESNO.
You should try reading comments before you reply to them; CW clearly said that the business analysts insisted on that message, and he advised them against it. So you're shooting the wrong person.

On the other hand, wording ANY message box "Are you sure you want to..." is a shooting offence. Most people really aren't sure about anything when it comes to computers: why increase their existential doubt? And how do you "cancel out" of anything? Or do you mean "close" the form; in which case using the word "close" in your warnings would remove all that confusion... ;^)


The Yes/No was my proposed solution, actually - but I was informed (repeatedly) that this was a "confirm dialog", and UI standards required that all confirm dialogs use the OK/Cancel format. Because, you know, UI standards are always more important than common sense.

By the way, this message appeared when the user clicked a "Cancel" button to abort filling out a form and return to the main menu. If you really want to induce existential doubt, there's nothing like making "Cancel" mean one thing one moment, then the opposite the next moment.

Re: Connect Over What!?

2008-08-01 14:26 • by Havstein
209764 in reply to 209745
Jamie:
The Real TRWTF is that the temperature meters are only 3/4 full!

Are you sure they are not 3/4 empty? [Ok / Cancel]

(Actually the meters are full. 4/4 full.)
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