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Re: It's Like a Double Yellow Line, and More!

2007-09-06 09:52 • by Uber (unregistered)
Well, in Spain if you're fired without any good reason, you get paid 45 days for every year you've worked for a company. This 45 days line is very flexible, so depending on your contract and negotiations you can get at least 32 days or top at 50 days.

That guy was GREAT in cryptography but very bad at using metaphors :)

CAPTCHA: atari... this is a new one XD

Re: It's Like a Double Yellow Line, and More!

2007-09-06 13:25 • by savar
152399 in reply to 152123
Preskooldude:
I had intercourse with all of my customers

...and this is why you should always translate by hand.


That's what intercourse really means...40 years ago you could say something like that and nobody would snicker. Nowadays the meaning is overloaded to refer to a specific type of intercourse.

Re: It's Like a Double Yellow Line, and More!

2007-09-06 13:29 • by savar
152400 in reply to 152140
RC Pinchey:

I would hope it would just be supply and demand- if you don't offer enough money, no-one will take the job. I really can't see the need to legislate for it!


Well.. it is Cali. They don't believe in market economics. They legislate everything. I would hate to live there. It's a shame because the scenery is so nice.

Re: It's Like a Double Yellow Line, and More!

2007-09-06 16:40 • by J. B. Rainsberger (unregistered)
152423 in reply to 152251
zip:
as long as you can quit your job any time you damn well please, you don't have "no rights."


One of the simplest and smartest things I've read here in a while. It takes attention to arrange your personal finances in a way to be able to quit your job, but it's less difficult than most people think. I started with the book "Your Money or Your Life".

Re: It's Like a Double Yellow Line, and More!

2007-09-06 17:37 • by Joe (unregistered)
152434 in reply to 152324
Hans:
James:
When I read that last one, I'm picturing Kyle's cousin from the South Park episode "The Entity". "Now I have a headache from all that squinting" -- priceless!


I have a serious question: does this sort of stuff happen for real? Do people really walk into an interview in the full knowledge they are utterly unqualified, and expect to bluff their way through it?

I have helped with interviews in the past, and I've seen both good and bad candidates, but never quite someone like that.


I've been interviewing candidates for an open position on my team. We've had a few of them come in over the past 2 months that were absolute BS artists. When you read their resume and look at their work experience it seems legit on paper. Then I sit down with someone face to face and start getting into raw, technical details and all they can do is spit back the same phrases I used. It's frustrating, but the only way to gauge to what degree someone is familiar with a given technology.

Any schmuck that's used Access before can tell you he "knows databases", but ask someone about O(n^2) runtime for a double nested FOR loop when iterating programmatically over a table, and you get a blank stare. *sigh*. I've had candidates with supposed SQL experience give me blank stares when I asked them about the difference between a LEFT JOIN and an INNER JOIN.

captcha: waffles - not again.

Re: It's Like a Double Yellow Line, and More!

2007-09-06 18:09 • by Anon (unregistered)
152436 in reply to 152399
savar:
That's what intercourse really means...40 years ago you could say something like that and nobody would snicker. Nowadays the meaning is overloaded to refer to a specific type of intercourse.


Not it means what people think it means, nothing more and nothing less. In other words it means the exact same thing it has always meant.

Language changes and evolves, accept it.

Re: It's Like a Double Yellow Line, and More!

2007-09-07 10:37 • by Anon Fred (unregistered)
152495 in reply to 152310
He was hired. We would have been morons not to. Talent like that is rare. He resigned his old position. He even moved states so that he might work with us. The day before he started the boss where I work decided to save money by firing this guy.

Was this a search company in Somerville?

I once got a job offer from a company for salary $X. I accepted it. I went in a few days early to sign the paperwork, and they were offering me a salary of $X-10000.

I was pretty young and easily bullied, so I agreed, but on the way home that day I built up such a head of steam about the affair that I called the recruiter who set us up, and he said I probably shouldn't take the deal. (He cost himself money doing this, but earned my respect.) I quit before I started.

Don't work for cheap people. Sure, they'll save money on external costs like printers and computers, but most technology companies have the great majority of their costs being their employees' salaries, and they can work on softening you the hardest.

Re: It's Like a Double Yellow Line, and More!

2007-09-09 13:52 • by Nex (unregistered)
152628 in reply to 152134
How is it any of the government's business? Yea it's pretty crappy but the company needed to spend less on that position, in their opinion. If you start getting the government involved in wages and the like we will end up in a recession. Regardless of that, it's just immoral for government to involve themselves in private business matters like that.

PCM2:
Wait ... if you get laid off from your job, and then you find out that your old company is staffing the exact same position you held, only for half the pay ... isn't that totally illegal? At least, in CA I'm pretty sure it is.

Re: It's Like a Double Yellow Line, and More!

2007-09-09 13:54 • by Nex (unregistered)
152629 in reply to 152190
That's funny I must have missed that "Nuke Australia " memo...

Anon Fred:

Also in Australia if you are made redundant then part of your termination payment is concessionaly taxed provided the termination is genuine.


This is why we nuked you during the Korean War.

U S A!! U S A!!

Re: It's Like a Double Yellow Line, and More!

2007-09-10 12:56 • by aib
From the article:

...
But then I heard from this guy I was working with about a learn-from-home university.
...
"Well, no," he replied, "now I have a headache from squinting."


That's what happens when you don't go to an actual college and learn how to read badly printed exam papers properly...

Re: It's Like a Double Yellow Line, and More!

2007-09-11 18:06 • by Jack Napier (unregistered)
Well, the story about the guy who got canned and then the recruiter...well, pfft, who cares? Good luck to those assholes, because they have about a 0% chance of finding someone with high availability UNIX systems like that for $35k. I've seen all sorts of job positions where what they want and what they offer virtually garuntees it will never be filled. Bear in mind though, that sometimes this is just a political move to keep budget money.

That said, I've got my own crap story that's similar: I was fed up with my contractor position and was throwing out my resume`. My department had high turnover.
I get a call from a rival contracting company. They wanted to tell me about a position; the one I already had. And to top it off, they were offering 10% more.

Re: It's Like a Double Yellow Line, and More!

2007-09-11 18:48 • by Peter (unregistered)
152957 in reply to 152324
Hans:
I have a serious question: does this sort of stuff happen for real? Do people really walk into an interview in the full knowledge they are utterly unqualified, and expect to bluff their way through it?
Yes. There are many people who think that they can sweet talk their way through life. Anything goes wrong? They have an excuse for it.

Re: It's Like a Double Yellow Line, and More!

2007-09-13 16:44 • by D (unregistered)
153273 in reply to 152224
You think that is 'protection'? Good luck with that.

Re: It's Like a Double Yellow Line, and More!

2007-09-24 13:14 • by Mr. Been There (unregistered)
154484 in reply to 152126
Never take a raise once you've put in your papers. If the company respected you properly (more importantly the management of the company) you would have already gotten your raise.

To be offered a substantial raise at the last minute is unprofessional and means they just don't care...you're being raped.

Re: It's Like a Double Yellow Line, and More!

2008-08-20 09:03 • by ELIZA (unregistered)
213082 in reply to 152628
Nex:
How is it any of the government's business? Yea it's pretty crappy but the company needed to spend less on that position, in their opinion. If you start getting the government involved in wages and the like we will end up in a recession. Regardless of that, it's just immoral for government to involve themselves in private business matters like that.

PCM2:
Wait ... if you get laid off from your job, and then you find out that your old company is staffing the exact same position you held, only for half the pay ... isn't that totally illegal? At least, in CA I'm pretty sure it is.


The state we are in now, a recession would be excellent news.

Re: It's Like a Double Yellow Line, and More!

2009-10-30 00:05 • by ELIZA (unregistered)
289391 in reply to 152140
RC Pinchey:
PCM2:
Wait ... if you get laid off from your job, and then you find out that your old company is staffing the exact same position you held, only for half the pay ... isn't that totally illegal? At least, in CA I'm pretty sure it is.


...er... why would that be illegal, exactly? As long as it's above minimum wage, can't they offer whatever salary they like for a position?

I would hope it would just be supply and demand- if you don't offer enough money, no-one will take the job. I really can't see the need to legislate for it!


If people are so desperate for jobs that they will accept unsurvivably low pay, the government has to spend a lot of money running things called "soup-kitchens" and "free clinics" and cetera. Personally, I would ensure that everyone is given a sum of money large enough that they are not so far into poverty as to injure them or their family, or make them less employable or force them to steal to survive, but small enough that they have a strong incentive to work. On the other hand, a minimum wage, combined with a refundable negative-rate tax bracket, such as the Earned Income Benefit or the American Earned Income Tax Credit, and involuntary unemployment benefits is probably acceptable.

However, I think that more germane is the fact that he was laid off rather than fired. Laying people off simply for not taking a pay cut used to be politically unacceptable Before Reagan, so it may have been made illegal not knowing that greed would one day be considered good, just like Texas made corporate donations illegal (at least in elections for state office) not knowing that one day the True Patriots such as Tom DeLay would be the ones in the pockets of amoral corporations. Firing for cause, yes, you can replace the offender with anyone you want at whatever rate, but I would imagine that layoffs would have to be for at least a minimum time, and give the laid-off workers first dibs on their old jobs at roughly the old salaries when the staff can again be justified.

Re: It's Like a Double Yellow Line, and More!

2009-10-30 00:37 • by ELIZA (unregistered)
289393 in reply to 152210
TheRubyWarlock:
Half of these horror stories is the exact reason why most countries are fucked up and don't have their priorities straight - the fact its legal for companies to string people along and pull this kind of shit is complete rubbish; the fact that when there ARE laws it's easy to circumvent is even worse. Too many laws to protect the company, and almost nothing to protect the employee. Bullshit. Complete fucking bullshit.

Random832:
Did you ever find out why the resumes kept getting deleted, and why the recruiters were told to leave?


From what he hinted at in the story, probably because the CEO really WAS trying to discriminate against the minorities. So like a coward the company told the recruiters to leave the conference so the soon-to-be-ex-employees didn't find out any more dirt. That seems to be a common tactic: When you know you're doing something wrong, you cover it up so people can't ask questions.


Fact of the day, discrimination against certain minorities is extremely serious, and it is far too common for companies burdened by anti-discrimination laws to find "creative" ways to get around them*.
* http://news.ncmonline.com/news/view_article.html?article_id=620a7a4dc8b8f2319c0f74fa1f746a0c

Re: It's Like a Double Yellow Line, and More!

2009-10-30 01:19 • by ELIZA (unregistered)
289394 in reply to 152628
Nex:
How is it any of the government's business? Yea it's pretty crappy but the company needed to spend less on that position, in their opinion. If you start getting the government involved in wages and the like we will end up in a recession. Regardless of that, it's just immoral for government to involve themselves in private business matters like that.

PCM2:
Wait ... if you get laid off from your job, and then you find out that your old company is staffing the exact same position you held, only for half the pay ... isn't that totally illegal? At least, in CA I'm pretty sure it is.


Is that not roughly what they said about just about every piece of pro-labour regulation before it was introduced?
Ending slavery? Violates the "rights" of slaveholders
Ending child labour? A "luxury" that is allegedly unaffordable for the Third World
Ending the union between commercial and investment banks? It would drive all finance to London or Paris
Ending segregation? But how do we expect children to LEARN whith those THINGS in the room; but we cannot just force people to teach/serve/employ blacks; but no-one would shop at a place that served blacks
Protecting the rights of employees? But we cannot force employers to treat their employees properly, it would cause a recession and it is immoral

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Re: It's Like a Double Yellow Line, and More!

2013-01-23 13:58 • by steve (unregistered)
Not a single thing was filled in on the paper. Apparently, the font-size was too small, so John offered to reprint it.
Actually, I suspect the guy was hoping to sue for ADA violations, claiming that he'd be denied the job because of his disability. Offering to make reasonable accommodations was the right call - he clearly didn't want the job.

Re: It's Like a Double Yellow Line, and More!

2014-08-26 07:51 • by Who? (unregistered)
438081 in reply to 213082
ELIZA:
Nex:
How is it any of the government's business? Yea it's pretty crappy but the company needed to spend less on that position, in their opinion. If you start getting the government involved in wages and the like we will end up in a recession. Regardless of that, it's just immoral for government to involve themselves in private business matters like that.

PCM2:
Wait ... if you get laid off from your job, and then you find out that your old company is staffing the exact same position you held, only for half the pay ... isn't that totally illegal? At least, in CA I'm pretty sure it is.


The state we are in now, a recession would be excellent news.


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