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If it passes the unit tests, who cares?

OMG an almost-blank comment page!

FIRST, let me say that this WTF kind of sucked. Are we on a WTF shortage?

SECOND, how is this related to the version-control script?

Third I guess.

Pete and Repete are on a boat. Pete jumps off. Who's left?

Wash, rinse, repeat.

Gotta love TDD!

It's cute, the way the OP assumes they USE test cases.

You know a loop would have made that much easier... :p

"Instead of fixing the code, they copied it deep enough so that it would pass all of their test cases."

They really have test cases?

Well, yeah, fixing the code would have taken more time and would have required some brains. And brains wasn't included in the contract fee.

We could do a whole month on outsourcing WTFs and not run out. Like the outsourced rewrite of a multi threaded system we have; it worked only for single instance.

CAPTCHA gravis - could relate to mass or pregnancy

The real WTF is not revoking their write access to production site.

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ln -s . applet

Fixed?

They should have fixed it by adding a symbolic link in the applet directory back to itself.

But seriously, what is with some of these web design shops and source control? I have had so much trouble with them saying that subversion is too difficult to use, and then ranting when I don't give them write access to the production server. WTF!

Shoot that developer!
Shoot that developer! Shoot that developer!
Shoot that developer! Shoot that developer! Shoot that developer!

... ah, you get the drift.

*IN*

The word you want is IN

Based IN Kerblekistan.

While we're about it, one does not "work out of", either. One "works in" somewhere. You don't "live out of ...", do you?

Hope you wrote a skript rather them writing it by hand

@Deprecated:

They should have fixed it by adding a symbolic link in the applet directory back to itself.

But seriously, what is with some of these web design shops and source control? I have had so much trouble with them saying that subversion is too difficult to use, and then ranting when I don't give them write access to the production server. WTF!

Seriously .. web design and source control don't go together.

Most programmers are really bad. the worse are web design bad, barely able to use dreamweaver or implement joomla although both are toys for the brainless.

At least they HAVE unit tests :)

mroli:

*IN*

The word you want is IN

Based IN Kerblekistan.

While we're about it, one does not "work out of", either. One "works in" somewhere. You don't "live out of ...", do you?

While we're AT IT, I see someone has never "lived out of" their car before.

I'm gonna guess it's an American English vs Rest of the world English discrepancy.

yeah, I can see this happening usin "applet/my.jar" instead of "/applet/my.jar"

Um.. Pete got rinsed?

captcha: erat - pests at the eMachines factory

mroli:

*IN*

The word you want is IN

Based IN Kerblekistan.

While we're about it, one does not "work out of", either. One "works in" somewhere. You don't "live out of ...", do you?

Well I used to live in my Mom's basement, but she kicked me out, so now I live out of her basement, or at least try.

And yes, I got a job as a web developer working out of the Kerblekistan office. Because the Kerblekistan office doesn't really exist (don't tell the customers!) so I have to do everything in my laptop out by the open air fish market down by the river.

Larry:

mroli:

*IN*

The word you want is IN

Based IN Kerblekistan.

While we're about it, one does not "work out of", either. One "works in" somewhere. You don't "live out of ...", do you?

Well I used to live in my Mom's basement, but she kicked me out, so now I live out of her basement, or at least try.

And yes, I got a job as a web developer working out of the Kerblekistan office. Because the Kerblekistan office doesn't really exist (don't tell the customers!) so I have to do everything in my laptop out by the open air fish market down by the river.

mroli:

*IN*

The word you want is IN

Based IN Kerblekistan.

While we're about it, one does not "work out of", either. One "works in" somewhere. You don't "live out of ...", do you?

You do if it's a car. And the phrase "work out of" is a valid construct with a completely different connotation than "work in". I work in my companies home office in New York. My colleague works out of our satellite office in California, in that he has a desk there but spends 80% of his time on the road.

PiisAWheeL:

While we're AT IT, I see someone has never "lived out of" their car before.

I'm gonna guess it's an American English vs Rest of the world English discrepancy.

No, but I've lived in my car for a couple of nights. I imagine when you did this, you spent a lot of time filling out job applications. Me, I filled a few in.

Did you pass the long, cold hours colouring out some pictures?

It's just a picky little thing called English grammar; to live somewhere, one has to be in it. When most people are at work, they are in their offices, although I'll grant an exception would be a person who's office is a box somewhere where they only have post delivered.

I think we're at a stage now where we'd rather you called it just "American". That would stop these silly arguments.

mroli:

*IN*

The word you want is IN

Based IN Kerblekistan.

While we're about it, one does not "work out of", either. One "works in" somewhere. You don't "live out of ...", do you?

Google finds over twelve million hits for the exact phrase "lived out of", so yes, people employ that usage quite frequently.

mroli:

You don't "live out of ...", do you?

Hey, I live out of the pantry when I'm too lazy to go grocery shopping.

mroli:

PiisAWheeL:

While we're AT IT, I see someone has never "lived out of" their car before.

I'm gonna guess it's an American English vs Rest of the world English discrepancy.

No, but I've lived in my car for a couple of nights. I imagine when you did this, you spent a lot of time filling out job applications. Me, I filled a few in.

Did you pass the long, cold hours colouring out some pictures?

It's just a picky little thing called English grammar; to live somewhere, one has to be in it. When most people are at work, they are in their offices, although I'll grant an exception would be a person who's office is a box somewhere where they only have post delivered.

I think we're at a stage now where we'd rather you called it just "American". That would stop these silly arguments.

I disagree for 2 reasons. 1, its fun to argue.
2. Its a matter of perspective. I consider "living in" to include things like running water, furniture, and a toilet. If you have to leave your car(dboard box) or other form of dwelling to do those basics, you are living "out" of that environment (ie it needs to be more than just a place to keep your shit and sleep, or there is no "living" really involved).

3. Another interesting definition would be to decide if you can invite someone over for tea or a boardgame or some other such activity. If you can, you live "in", if not, you live "out of". It sucks when you spill tea in your center console.

"Which Formula 1 driver won the championship in 1975, 1977 and 1984?"
"Lauda."
"I said, WHICH FORMULA 1 DRIVER WON THE CHAMPIONSHIP IN 1975, 1977 AND 1984?"
"LAUDA!"
Etc, ad nauseam.

This reminds me of an issue we ran into with one of our third party pieces of software. When you uninstall it, it would leave behind a config file with all the install settings for reinstalling. This was nice since our test environment reinstalled it with every build as part of install scripts. During the reinstall it was set to -silent since the defaults were already correct and the config file -never- changed.

Jump ahead 6 months later and for some strange reason it would not startup, so the Test team maunually reinstalled it, verifiying all settings were correct. Again it would not startup. Everything appeared to be fine until one tester navigated into the bin folder (not called bin of course, but instead some long unmeaningful name which I cant remember) and saw it was empty with the exception of another bin folder of the same name. The tester then tried to navigate the folder heirarchy to try and get to the actual bin folder but Windows eventually cried and died. The tester WTFed by all this then opened the never changing config file and discovered that it not only had an install path (which was correct) it had a secondary path for the bin folder, but with every install it was putting the bin folder in the bin folder and updating the config file to reflect this. So after a dozen builds the overly nested bin/bin/bin/bin length had surpassed Windows' max path length.

Meep:

Google finds over twelve million hits for the exact phrase "lived out of", so yes, people employ that usage quite frequently.

Google also finds over 1.5 million pages referencing the phrase "Meep is gay".

mroli:

While we're about it, one does not "work out of", either.

The box, perhaps? Though perhaps not for Kerbleckistanian applets, though.

Not exactly classic but certainly understandable to me. One project I work on has an xsl attribute filter in around 50 directories. You can never be sure which is the one operating at any point in time. Makes for a nice game of xsl roulette. If you like changing a file, testing the effect and then finding another file it might be. 50 times. This is of course typical of the project structure in general. You mgiht guess why I am reading TDWTF.

callcopse:

Not exactly classic but certainly understandable to me. One project I work on has an xsl attribute filter in around 50 directories. You can never be sure which is the one operating at any point in time. Makes for a nice game of xsl roulette. If you like changing a file, testing the effect and then finding another file it might be. 50 times. This is of course typical of the project structure in general. You mgiht guess why I am reading TDWTF.

I wouldn't compare that to roulette... russian roulette variants need to be simple. Hammer hits powder, projectile goes into head. Its more like risk... you fucked up 5 turns ago and now you've lost asia, and you are still trying to figure out why...

qbolec:

The real WTF is not revoking their write access to the production site.

Frist! To second this!

BTW, FTFY.

Meep:

mroli:

*IN*

The word you want is IN

Based IN Kerblekistan.

While we're about it, one does not "work out of", either. One "works in" somewhere. You don't "live out of ...", do you?

Google finds over twelve million hits for the exact phrase "lived out of"

Let's add some more:

I live out of Afghanistan.
I live out of Afghanistan and Albania.
I live out of Afghanistan and Albania and Algeria.
I live out of Afghanistan and Albania and Algeria and Andorra.
I live out of Afghanistan and Albania and Algeria and Andorra and Angola.

etc. (int keeping with today's design pattern)

# svn st

Excuse me??? Running as root? Naughty, naughty!

? htdocs/applet/LocalApplet.jar.20110822

Hey at least they used the One True Date Format. Which, by the way, doubles as a version number! So no need for svn in the first place.

Be glad they don't work out of Uzbekibekistanstan

Meep:

mroli:

*IN*

The word you want is IN

Based IN Kerblekistan.

While we're about it, one does not "work out of", either. One "works in" somewhere. You don't "live out of ...", do you?

Google finds over twelve million hits for the exact phrase "lived out of", so yes, people employ that usage quite frequently.

Doesn't prove that *people* use it... only that at least one person uses it. A lot.

C-Octothorpe:

If it passes the unit tests, who cares?

And this is why Test-Driven Development isn't the holy grail it's made out to be.


(Captcha: eros. Happy Valentine's Day, I guess!)

^ My immediate first thought too.

qbolec:

The real WTF is not revoking their write access to production site.

Or that they had write access to begin.

Set up the process so that only the deployment manager(s) have access, and their tools only allow deployment from source control.

Wrong solution (I'm referring to the one that the person in the article was doing). The correct way to solve that once and for all would be to take away production access from them as a group, assign it to only one person in it, and make that person responsible for making sure nothing gets deployed to production without it being in the source repository first and tested. Another violation: fire the dumbasses.

Yo dawg. I heard you like applet/ so I put applet/ in your applet so you can applet/ while you applet.

Jazz:

C-Octothorpe:

If it passes the unit tests, who cares?

And this is why Test-Driven Development isn't the holy grail it's made out to be.


(Captcha: eros. Happy Valentine's Day, I guess!)

Actually, it's your mentality of thinking that Test Driven Development only means "writing code that passes tests" that's the problem. Obviously this is not what it means.

This reminds me of the idiots that justify not wearing seatbelts by saying that they can cause death in high speed accidents because they can snap your spine, or because they have a friend that survived an accident because he was thrown from the vehicle.

D-Coder:

Meep:

Google finds over twelve million hits for the exact phrase "lived out of", so yes, people employ that usage quite frequently.

Doesn't prove that *people* use it... only that at least one person uses it. A lot.

It doesn't prove that, either. It could be robots, or cats walking on keyboards.

Larry:

mroli:

*IN*

The word you want is IN

Based IN Kerblekistan.

While we're about it, one does not "work out of", either. One "works in" somewhere. You don't "live out of ...", do you?

Well I used to live in my Mom's basement, but she kicked me out, so now I live out of her basement, or at least try.

And yes, I got a job as a web developer working out of the Kerblekistan office. Because the Kerblekistan office doesn't really exist (don't tell the customers!) so I have to do everything in my laptop out by the open air fish market down by the river.

So you're "our" man in Kerbleckistan?

mroli:

*IN*

The word you want is IN

Based IN Kerblekistan.

While we're about it, one does not "work out of", either. One "works in" somewhere. You don't "live out of ...", do you?

All the sudden, I'm reminded of my list of grammar and syntax mistakes, based off of the internet. I wrote it down, but on accident, I lost it. I guess I should of made a copy. Once and a while, I try to remember what it was comprised of. But I could care less, for all intensive purposes.

"based out of" is pretty rare and has only been around since the 60s it seems. It is about half as common in BritEng as in AmerEng.

http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=based+out+of&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=5&smoothing=0

http://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=based+out+of&year_start=1800&year_end=2000&corpus=6&smoothing=0

Just because you haven't noticed your country-men using a phrase, doesn't mean you have proof it isn't being used.