• Nuelo (unregistered) in reply to AN AWESOME CODER
    AN AWESOME CODER:
    Jazz:
    C-Octothorpe:
    If it passes the unit tests, who cares?

    And this is why Test-Driven Development isn't the holy grail it's made out to be.

    (Captcha: eros. Happy Valentine's Day, I guess!)

    Actually, it's your mentality of thinking that Test Driven Development only means "writing code that passes tests" that's the problem. Obviously this is not what it means.

    This reminds me of the idiots that justify not wearing seatbelts by saying that they can cause death in high speed accidents because they can snap your spine, or because they have a friend that survived an accident because he was thrown from the vehicle.

    You mean "of" the vehicle.

  • (cs) in reply to Shit Stirrer
    Shit Stirrer:
    Which is correct? "We left him to his vices" or "We left him to his devices"
    Both are strictly correct, but have different meanings. The latter would apply to someone competent to perform the task at hand; the former would apply to Zunesis.
  • (cs) in reply to Spewin Coffee
    Spewin Coffee:
    I'm convinced that Kerbleckistan is a real country but not on any map due to a government coverup.
    Yes, it borders Ubeki-beki-beki-stan-stan
  • The Gambler (unregistered)

    I'll bet anyone 100,000 there won't be a new article today.

  • Madman (unregistered) in reply to mroli
    mroli:
    *IN*

    The word you want is IN

    Based IN Kerblekistan.

    While we're about it, one does not "work out of", either. One "works in" somewhere. You don't "live out of ...", do you?

    Actually you can "live out of a suitcase"

  • Papa Alex (unregistered) in reply to The Gambler
    The Gambler:
    I'll bet anyone 100,000 there won't be a new article today.
    I would take you up on that, but I'm too busy getting laid.
  • delenit (unregistered) in reply to Matt Westwood
    Matt Westwood:
    aptent:
    AN AWESOME CODER:
    Jazz:
    C-Octothorpe:
    If it passes the unit tests, who cares?

    And this is why Test-Driven Development isn't the holy grail it's made out to be.

    (Captcha: eros. Happy Valentine's Day, I guess!)

    Actually, it's your mentality of thinking that Test Driven Development only means "writing code that passes tests" that's the problem. Obviously this is not what it means.

    This reminds me of the idiots that justify not wearing seatbelts by saying that they can cause death in high speed accidents because they can snap your spine, or because they have a friend that survived an accident because he was thrown from the vehicle.

    I mean, your analogy can't even be compared with comparison between apples and pears - it's like comparing dog-shit with black-holes (in other words, it doesn't qualify to be called a comparison on indefinite number of levels).

    TDD and unit testing is a waste of time. Unless you can totally isolate your test from the environment (totally, totally, totally), then it's waiting to fail, however well you write it. So, it proves nothing, but that your test code works (in certain or most cases). It still provides very little proof that the code you're testing will work in certain or most cases. But, good luck to you - I'll rather spend time learning my project's ins and outs and fixing bugs, then spend half of that time adjusting unit tests to compile.

    You're another stupid mad and evil fucker who would get kicked to a fucking pulp if you step over the threshold of my company, shithead.

    Aha. And that's why your company is doing so well. Asshole.

  • Bob's Brother (unregistered) in reply to Papa Alex
    Papa Alex:
    The Gambler:
    I'll bet anyone 100,000 there won't be a new article today.
    I would take you up on that, but I'm too busy getting laid.
    Hey, I had a nephew who was retarded, and even he knew what "daily" meant.
  • wonk (unregistered) in reply to Retard
    Retard:
    foo:
    ih8u:
    Jack:
    EatenByAGrue:
    The real WTF is that it was technically possible for the Kerpleckistani developers to deploy code to production without it being reviewed by somebody state-side.

    Yes, it's been said. Although you managed put a much more xenophobic ring to it than the last five people.

    Haven't you noticed that this forum is all trolls? After FRIST, TRWTF, references to xkcd.com, Nagesh (real and unregistered), and the Grammar Rodeo Clowns, all we have is repeating what someone already posted. Don't take that away from us.

    Haven't you noticed that this forum is all trolls? After FRIST, TRWTF, references to xkcd.com, Nagesh (real and unregistered), and the Grammar Rodeo Clowns, all we have is repeating what someone already posted. Don't take that away from us.
    Haven't you noticed that this forum is all trolls? After FRIST, TRWTF, references to xkcd.com, Nagesh (real and unregistered), and the Grammar Rodeo Clowns, all we have is repeating what someone already posted. Don't take that away from us.
    It's Trolls all the way down!

  • Jay (unregistered) in reply to PedanticCurmudgeon
    PedanticCurmudgeon:
    ih8u:
    Haven't you noticed that this forum is all trolls? After FRIST, TRWTF, references to xkcd.com, Nagesh (real and unregistered), and the Grammar Rodeo Clowns, all we have is repeating what someone already posted. Don't take that away from us.
    TRWTF is not remembering that a troll needs someone to take the bait. Therefore, this forum can't be all trolls.

    For a complete ecosystem, you need to have both trolls, and billy-goats gruff for the trolls to harass.

  • notatroll (unregistered)

    Nobody expects the Sarbanes-Oxley inquisition!

    "Kerblekistan....keeping American developers employed by rewriting code that should have been written by us in the first place."

  • Jay (unregistered) in reply to mroli
    mroli:
    *IN*

    The word you want is IN

    Based IN Kerblekistan.

    While we're about it, one does not "work out of", either. One "works in" somewhere. You don't "live out of ...", do you?

    id·i·om (n): 1. A speech form or an expression of a given language that is peculiar to itself grammatically or cannot be understood from the individual meanings of its elements, etc.

    You can live out of a car. You can live out of a suitcase. You can live out your life.

    You can fill out a form. You can also fill in a form.

    After I fill up my gas take, do I then empty it down?

    If a college student lives it up, he is probably not living up to his parents' expectations. He may never be able to live it down.

    A child can act up and he can act out. I've never heard of a child acting in. If you want to make people think you're depressed you could act down.

    If staying in bed very late is sleeping in, then is getting up early sleeping out?

    Etc ad infinitum.

  • Jay (unregistered) in reply to Jack
    Jack:
    All the sudden, I'm reminded of my list of grammar and syntax mistakes, based off of the internet. I wrote it down, but on accident, I lost it. I guess I should of made a copy. Once and a while, I try to remember what it was comprised of. But I could care less, for all intensive purposes.

    Among my similar favorites:

    Never use a long word when a diminutive one will do.

    About sentence fragments.

    Never use a preposition to end a sentence with.

    A pronoun should always agree with their antecedent.

    When writing formally, dangling modifiers should be avoided.

    I was going to add more, but it's a mute point by now.

  • Jay (unregistered) in reply to Bob's Brother
    Bob's Brother:
    Papa Alex:
    The Gambler:
    I'll bet anyone 100,000 there won't be a new article today.
    I would take you up on that, but I'm too busy getting laid.
    Hey, I had a nephew who was retarded, and even he knew what "daily" meant.

    But was it a laughing matter? I think not.

  • (cs) in reply to Jay
    Jay:
    PedanticCurmudgeon:
    ih8u:
    Haven't you noticed that this forum is all trolls? After FRIST, TRWTF, references to xkcd.com, Nagesh (real and unregistered), and the Grammar Rodeo Clowns, all we have is repeating what someone already posted. Don't take that away from us.
    TRWTF is not remembering that a troll needs someone to take the bait. Therefore, this forum can't be all trolls.

    For a complete ecosystem, you need to have both trolls, and billy-goats gruff for the trolls to harass.

    You forgot to mention the more advanced technique of the trolls trolling trolls, which usually escalates to the trolled trolls trolling the trolls who trolled the trolls.

    Weeee!

  • (cs) in reply to The Bytemaster
    The Bytemaster:
    mroli:
    Meep:
    Google finds over twelve million hits for the exact phrase "lived out of", so yes, people employ that usage quite frequently.

    Google also finds over 1.5 million pages referencing the phrase "Meep is gay".

    Now including this page!
    Still only 40 pages because mroli is a liar!

  • (cs) in reply to ih8u
    ih8u:
    Jack:
    EatenByAGrue:
    The real WTF is that it was technically possible for the Kerpleckistani developers to deploy code to production without it being reviewed by somebody state-side.

    Yes, it's been said. Although you managed put a much more xenophobic ring to it than the last five people.

    Haven't you noticed that this forum is all trolls? After FRIST, TRWTF, references to xkcd.com, Nagesh (real and unregistered), and the Grammar Rodeo Clowns, all we have is repeating what someone already posted. Don't take that away from us.

    Wait, what?

    Even after Bob, his retarted son and even the anal-repellent Zunesis in person showed up, still nobody mentioned Bert Glanstron?

  • Anon (unregistered) in reply to Anketam
    Anketam:
    ...Everything appeared to be fine until one tester navigated into the bin folder (not called bin of course, but instead some long unmeaningful name which I cant remember) and saw it was empty ...

    Why not call it bin? Security by obscurity? Why not just lock down bin properly and call it a day?

  • JJ (unregistered) in reply to Jay
    Jay:
    Never use a long word when a diminutive one will do.
    I prefer this version:

    Never use a big word when a diminutive one will suffice.

  • (cs) in reply to no laughing matter
    no laughing matter:
    ih8u:
    Haven't you noticed that this forum is all trolls? After FRIST, TRWTF, references to xkcd.com, Nagesh (real and unregistered), and the Grammar Rodeo Clowns, all we have is repeating what someone already posted. Don't take that away from us.
    Wait, what?

    Even after Bob, his retarted son and even the anal-repellent Zunesis in person showed up, still nobody mentioned Bert Glanstron?

    ...and it seems that we've still forgotten at least one more meme.

  • Anonymous (unregistered) in reply to Meep
    Meep:
    mroli:
    *IN*

    The word you want is IN

    Based IN Kerblekistan.

    While we're about it, one does not "work out of", either. One "works in" somewhere. You don't "live out of ...", do you?

    Google finds over twelve million hits for the exact phrase "lived out of", so yes, people employ that usage quite frequently.

    Google also finds 3 million hits for the phrase "I lved" to randomly pick something moronic. People who use google (via a basic google search) to check spelling or grammar should be deported to some special stupid reservation.

    Captcha: ratis. We will only bill you for the 'G'.

  • foo (unregistered) in reply to PedanticCurmudgeon
    PedanticCurmudgeon:
    no laughing matter:
    ih8u:
    Haven't you noticed that this forum is all trolls? After FRIST, TRWTF, references to xkcd.com, Nagesh (real and unregistered), and the Grammar Rodeo Clowns, all we have is repeating what someone already posted. Don't take that away from us.
    Wait, what?

    Even after Bob, his retarted son and even the anal-repellent Zunesis in person showed up, still nobody mentioned Bert Glanstron?

    ...and it seems that we've still forgotten at least one more meme.
    Searched my file, not found any brillant one.

    CAPTCHA: Akismet

  • (cs) in reply to foo
    foo:
    PedanticCurmudgeon:
    no laughing matter:
    ih8u:
    Haven't you noticed that this forum is all trolls? After FRIST, TRWTF, references to xkcd.com, Nagesh (real and unregistered), and the Grammar Rodeo Clowns, all we have is repeating what someone already posted. Don't take that away from us.
    Wait, what?

    Even after Bob, his retarted son and even the anal-repellent Zunesis in person showed up, still nobody mentioned Bert Glanstron?

    ...and it seems that we've still forgotten at least one more meme.
    Searched my file, not found any brillant one.

    CAPTCHA: Akismet

    So that covers file not found and brillant. Has anyone done the xzibit thing yet? I just want to make sure we don't miss anything.
  • (cs) in reply to PedanticCurmudgeon
    PedanticCurmudgeon:
    foo:
    PedanticCurmudgeon:
    no laughing matter:
    ih8u:
    Haven't you noticed that this forum is all trolls? After FRIST, TRWTF, references to xkcd.com, Nagesh (real and unregistered), and the Grammar Rodeo Clowns, all we have is repeating what someone already posted. Don't take that away from us.
    Wait, what?

    Even after Bob, his retarted son and even the anal-repellent Zunesis in person showed up, still nobody mentioned Bert Glanstron?

    ...and it seems that we've still forgotten at least one more meme.
    Searched my file, not found any brillant one.

    CAPTCHA: Akismet

    So that covers file not found and brillant. Has anyone done the xzibit thing yet? I just want to make sure we don't miss anything.

    I missed a meme once. It was funny.

  • (cs) in reply to Matt Westwood
    Matt Westwood:
    PedanticCurmudgeon:
    foo:
    PedanticCurmudgeon:
    no laughing matter:
    ih8u:
    Haven't you noticed that this forum is all trolls? After FRIST, TRWTF, references to xkcd.com, Nagesh (real and unregistered), and the Grammar Rodeo Clowns, all we have is repeating what someone already posted. Don't take that away from us.
    Wait, what?

    Even after Bob, his retarted son and even the anal-repellent Zunesis in person showed up, still nobody mentioned Bert Glanstron?

    ...and it seems that we've still forgotten at least one more meme.
    Searched my file, not found any brillant one.

    CAPTCHA: Akismet

    So that covers file not found and brillant. Has anyone done the xzibit thing yet? I just want to make sure we don't miss anything.

    I missed a meme once. It was funny.

    Missed a meme? Well you're a fucking stupid cunt who needs his shitty arse kicked.

  • Meh (unregistered)

    I bet this is where Big Sean got his lyrical inspiration.

    Right on that Apps Apps Apps Apps Apps Apps Apps Apps Apps Apps Apps Apps Apps Apps Apps Apps Apps Apps Apps Apps Apps Apps Apps Apps Apps Apps Apps Apps

  • letatio (unregistered)

    Matt Westwood is a dumbass.

  • Peter (unregistered) in reply to frits
    frits:
    Poopface:
    What do you call a donkey with 3 legs and one eye that likes music? A honky tonky winky wonky donkey.
    How exactly does the donkey's eye hear the music?
    He didn't say that the donkey's eye hears music. Only that it likes it.
  • (cs) in reply to Spewin Coffee
    Spewin Coffee:
    I'm convinced that Kerbleckistan is a real country but not on any map due to a government coverup.
    It's hidden by the Untitled Polygon.
  • (cs) in reply to Matt Westwood
    Matt Westwood:
    Matt Westwood:
    PedanticCurmudgeon:
    foo:
    PedanticCurmudgeon:
    no laughing matter:
    ih8u:
    Haven't you noticed that this forum is all trolls? After FRIST, TRWTF, references to xkcd.com, Nagesh (real and unregistered), and the Grammar Rodeo Clowns, all we have is repeating what someone already posted. Don't take that away from us.
    Wait, what?

    Even after Bob, his retarted son and even the anal-repellent Zunesis in person showed up, still nobody mentioned Bert Glanstron?

    ...and it seems that we've still forgotten at least one more meme.
    Searched my file, not found any brillant one.

    CAPTCHA: Akismet

    So that covers file not found and brillant. Has anyone done the xzibit thing yet? I just want to make sure we don't miss anything.

    I missed a meme once. It was funny.

    Missed a meme? Well you're a fucking stupid cunt who needs his shitty arse kicked.

    By an Irish girl?

  • The Gambler (unregistered) in reply to The Gambler
    The Gambler:
    I'll bet anyone 100,000 there won't be a new article today.

    Ok, where's my money?

    Sheesh, it can hardly even be considered "gambling" at this point.

  • The Statistician (unregistered)

    In the last 15 days, we've had 9 articles. That's about a 60% chance of getting a new article on any given day. Perhaps its time for a domain name change?

  • L. (unregistered) in reply to The Statistician
    The Statistician:
    In the last 15 days, we've had 9 articles. That's about a 60% chance of getting a new article on any given day. Perhaps its time for a domain name change?

    I just booked themoreorlessdailywtf.com . just in case I could sell it back to alex.

    Also picked up

    thesometimesupdatedwtf.com theundisclosedreleaseschedulewtf.com etc.

  • (cs) in reply to Anonymous
    Anonymous:
    Meep:
    mroli:
    *IN*

    The word you want is IN

    Based IN Kerblekistan.

    While we're about it, one does not "work out of", either. One "works in" somewhere. You don't "live out of ...", do you?

    Google finds over twelve million hits for the exact phrase "lived out of", so yes, people employ that usage quite frequently.

    Google also finds 3 million hits for the phrase "I lved" to randomly pick something moronic. People who use google (via a basic google search) to check spelling or grammar should be deported to some special stupid reservation.

    Captcha: ratis. We will only bill you for the 'G'.

    Considering the number of people who do use google for spell check (myself included), I think it might be easier for you and the 7 other people who don't to go somewhere where you perfect spellers can all be together. You can go sit in the sunshine fields all day drinking tea talking about how good you can spell, how shitty everyone else spells, and that you use a dictionary for words you can't spell because, hell, its proper or some other such nonsense.

    Me I'm in a hurry and I spend 90 bucks a month for internet, so if I can get my question answered within 7 seconds and get on with my day, then I'm happy.

    TLDR: I used to be a perfect speller, like you. Then I took an arrow to the knee.

  • (cs) in reply to L.
    L.:
    The Statistician:
    In the last 15 days, we've had 9 articles. That's about a 60% chance of getting a new article on any given day. Perhaps its time for a domain name change?

    I just booked themoreorlessdailywtf.com . just in case I could sell it back to alex.

    Also picked up

    thesometimesupdatedwtf.com theundisclosedreleaseschedulewtf.com etc.

    Thats 9 articles in the last 11 days. I've never seen a post on the weekend. If you want to nitpick, it should be thebusinessdailywtf.com. But now we're just getting silly.

  • radarbob (unregistered) in reply to Jack
    Jack:
    EatenByAGrue:
    The real WTF is that it was technically possible for the Kerpleckistani developers to deploy code to production without it being reviewed by somebody state-side.

    Yes, it's been said. Although you managed put a much more xenophobic ring to it than the last five people.

    And justifiably so! There's a reason Captain Renault would "round up the usual suspects" *

    • A little Casablanca reference there.
  • (cs) in reply to Peter
    Peter:
    frits:
    Poopface:
    What do you call a donkey with 3 legs and one eye that likes music? A honky tonky winky wonky donkey.
    How exactly does the donkey's eye hear the music?
    He didn't say that the donkey's eye hears music. Only that it likes it.
    You're right. having never heard music before, it probably like the eye-deer of music.
  • radarbob (unregistered) in reply to Poopface
    Poopface:
    What do you call a donkey with 3 legs? A wonky donkey.

    What do you call a donkey with 3 legs and one eye? A winky wonky donkey.

    What do you call a donkey with 3 legs and one eye that likes music? A honky tonky winky wonky donkey.

    What do you call a donkey with 3 legs and one eye that likes music and childrens' TV? A tinky winky honky tonky winky wonky donkey.

    Repeat ad nauseum until they kick you out of the kindergarten and you have to hide out in Kerbleckistan, cuttin' code.

    Error: Ambiguous identifier. "winky".

    That's what she said!*

    *In keeping with the relentless deterioration of this thread. And before you accuse me of misogyny, I remind you that it is traditional to refer to compilers in the feminine.

  • Stevo (unregistered) in reply to aptent

    If you're trolling, well done. If not, please consider the following:

    1. TDD is very hard to do retroactively. Hence the name, TEST DRIVEN development. Unit tests, by definition, should be isolated as they test, you guessed it, UNITS of code.

    2. Unit tests alone do not a sound system make. Nobody ever said so. Mature testing strategies would make use of (among others) integration tests, system / end-to-end tests, and, of course, acceptance tests. IMO anyway. YMMV.

    3. If you spend half of your time adjusting unit tests so that they compile, then you have a) a disguised integration test, or b) identified a code smell (the unit may need decomposition).

    Most developers I've spoken to who dislike TDD are opposed to it because they believe it wastes time. This is false economy, since prevention is always cheaper than cure.

    TL;DR - You don't understand TDD, which is why you think it's a waste of time.

  • irshwan (unregistered) in reply to Stevo
    Stevo:
    If you're trolling, well done. If not, please consider the following:

    1. TDD is very hard to do retroactively. Hence the name, TEST DRIVEN development. Unit tests, by definition, should be isolated as they test, you guessed it, UNITS of code.

    2. Unit tests alone do not a sound system make. Nobody ever said so. Mature testing strategies would make use of (among others) integration tests, system / end-to-end tests, and, of course, acceptance tests. IMO anyway. YMMV.

    3. If you spend half of your time adjusting unit tests so that they compile, then you have a) a disguised integration test, or b) identified a code smell (the unit may need decomposition).

    Most developers I've spoken to who dislike TDD are opposed to it because they believe it wastes time. This is false economy, since prevention is always cheaper than cure.

    TL;DR - You don't understand TDD, which is why you think it's a waste of time.

    What mean TL;DR in here context. I have some doubts now, because it isn't meaning what I have been knowing it to mean before.

  • edcode (unregistered) in reply to Jazz

    Nail on the head!

  • Cap'n Spanky (unregistered) in reply to PiisAWheeL
    PiisAWheeL:
    Considering the number of people who do use google for spell check (myself included), I think it might be easier for you and the 7 other people who don't to go somewhere where you perfect spellers can all be together. You can go sit in the sunshine fields all day drinking tea talking about how good you can spell, how shitty everyone else spells, and that you use a dictionary for words you can't spell because, hell, its proper or some other such nonsense.

    Me I'm in a hurry and I spend 90 bucks a month for internet, so if I can get my question answered within 7 seconds and get on with my day, then I'm happy.

    TLDR: I used to be a perfect speller, like you. Then I took an arrow to the knee.

    You spelled it's incorrectly.

  • vlad (unregistered) in reply to @Deprecated
    @Deprecated:

    But seriously, what is with some of these web design shops and source control? I have had so much trouble with them saying that subversion is too difficult to use, and then ranting when I don't give them write access to the production server. WTF!

    I know what you mean. I have had 4 web development jobs in the the past 10 years and not 1 single one of them had source control. 2 of them developed on the production servers. The job I am at now I have been there for 4 years, and when I started they developed on the production server, and I had zero power. After about 2 years I was able to convince management for us to get a dev server instead of developing on the production server. Right now I am actually in the process of convincing management to get into source control.. I think I am winning the battle. I was given a new project (I have been mostly a maintainer up to this point) and management said I had full control on how I wanted to manage the project and they would not get involved, that included using any tools and using any methods I wanted. After I am done the project I will present it to management along with the other developers to go through my process and list the pros and cons.

    So for this project I am using git source control, TDD (the other developers have never even heard of unit testing), fully OOP etc. I am excited to present this, because our management will actually listen and as long as I bring a strong enough case on why my methods are better than what we were doing previously things will change.

  • (cs) in reply to topspin
    topspin:
    Am I the only one wondering WhyTF they store binaries in version control?

    What's wrong with it? We store our source in svn, and then we also store the offical qa server compiled binaries in source control.

  • (cs) in reply to vlad
    vlad:
    @Deprecated:

    But seriously, what is with some of these web design shops and source control? I have had so much trouble with them saying that subversion is too difficult to use, and then ranting when I don't give them write access to the production server. WTF!

    I know what you mean. I have had 4 web development jobs in the the past 10 years and not 1 single one of them had source control. 2 of them developed on the production servers. The job I am at now I have been there for 4 years, and when I started they developed on the production server, and I had zero power. After about 2 years I was able to convince management for us to get a dev server instead of developing on the production server. Right now I am actually in the process of convincing management to get into source control.. I think I am winning the battle. I was given a new project (I have been mostly a maintainer up to this point) and management said I had full control on how I wanted to manage the project and they would not get involved, that included using any tools and using any methods I wanted. After I am done the project I will present it to management along with the other developers to go through my process and list the pros and cons.

    So for this project I am using git source control, TDD (the other developers have never even heard of unit testing), fully OOP etc. I am excited to present this, because our management will actually listen and as long as I bring a strong enough case on why my methods are better than what we were doing previously things will change.

    And you don't have any experience using any of those? And you're doing all of them together?

  • (cs)

    I feel the pain. At the place I'm currently at, I had close to the same issue. When I first started, I took over a project from someone who was recently fired. In prepartaion for the next release-- I went through the standard motions (develop - test - qa - etc). With the build I got from TFS and that was being tested, we were ready for our next release! I deployed the build... and got a ton of complaints about how I "rolled everything back to a few prior releases (except my new changes). I guess my testing/QA people are worthless. Disassembling the prior release left little to no clues. Lucky for me, I think I found the correct source buried in some virtual machine. Nightmare.

  • L. (unregistered) in reply to vlad
    vlad:
    @Deprecated:

    But seriously, what is with some of these web design shops and source control? I have had so much trouble with them saying that subversion is too difficult to use, and then ranting when I don't give them write access to the production server. WTF!

    I know what you mean. I have had 4 web development jobs in the the past 10 years and not 1 single one of them had source control. 2 of them developed on the production servers. The job I am at now I have been there for 4 years, and when I started they developed on the production server, and I had zero power. After about 2 years I was able to convince management for us to get a dev server instead of developing on the production server. Right now I am actually in the process of convincing management to get into source control.. I think I am winning the battle. I was given a new project (I have been mostly a maintainer up to this point) and management said I had full control on how I wanted to manage the project and they would not get involved, that included using any tools and using any methods I wanted. After I am done the project I will present it to management along with the other developers to go through my process and list the pros and cons.

    So for this project I am using git source control, TDD (the other developers have never even heard of unit testing), fully OOP etc. I am excited to present this, because our management will actually listen and as long as I bring a strong enough case on why my methods are better than what we were doing previously things will change.

    So uhm .. you work with people who have very limited knowledge of their own job . anything unusual you want to share with us maybe ?

  • James (unregistered) in reply to Meep
    Meep:
    mroli:
    *IN*

    The word you want is IN

    Based IN Kerblekistan.

    While we're about it, one does not "work out of", either. One "works in" somewhere. You don't "live out of ...", do you?

    Google finds over twelve million hits for the exact phrase "lived out of", so yes, people employ that usage quite frequently.

    Google finds 6 million results for "incorect" so people employ that usage only half as much as "live out of" (NB - also 327 million for "incorrect").

  • esse (unregistered) in reply to mroli
    mroli:
    English grammar [...] who's office

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