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Although Brice hadn't been on the job for very long, he'd gotten pretty comfortable with leading technical interviews. He'd quickly compiled a stock set of questions that could weed out the hacks. Questions that immediately disqualify you for the position if you get them wrong: What is your first name? Name a .NET language. Questions that almost certainly disqualify you if you get them wrong: What datatype would you use to store a string of characters? Is it C sharp or C pound? [expand full text]
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Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:05 • by FredSaw
A candidate who is a SQL expert but can't do a SELECT. What do you do with him?

Buy him to lunch and keep considering him for the job, of course. Fist!

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:07 • by meg (not in IT) (unregistered)
Having no IT experience or knowledge whatsoever, I'm looking forward to sending my resume to this company when I'm in the market for a new job.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:07 • by SnapShot
So which is it, C Sharp, C pound, C hash, C number sign or C octothorp?

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:09 • by Andy Goth (unregistered)
Seriously, it took me a couple years to figure out that C# really is pronounced "C-sharp". I had assumed "C-pound" on account of "C-sharp" being too punny and already in use for several projects.

I can't figure out if that disqualifies me from commenting here or makes me a valued asset to the WTF community.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:09 • by Andy Goth (unregistered)
181626 in reply to 181624
Ooh, I know! C-tictactoe!

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:11 • by Jim (unregistered)
1 - If you have only ever really learned from books, you may be very proficient, but wouldn't know the difference between C-Sharp or C-Pound. Though, if he is claiming to have experience in C#, I'm sure his past job would have corrected him at some point.

2 - Programming is programming. As long as the person knows how to code, picking up new languages is pretty simple. Asking them if they know a certain API isn't a good question. Finding out how their approach would be to learning a new API or language, on the other hand, would be more important. Especially when the C# and VB.NET API's are the same anyway, just a different language syntax. Just because he didn't use XML before doesn't make him weak. More appropriate questions would be to ask him about his past experiences, explaining problems he has faced in the past, and see how he has solved them.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:11 • by J (unregistered)
181628 in reply to 181626
Maybe in spanish... C-Gato (Gato = Tictactoe)


Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:12 • by Vollhorst (unregistered)
181629 in reply to 181626
It is not C-zing?

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:19 • by webrunner
If you know the difference between C-Sharp and C-Pound it means you spent too much time talking about it and not on a computer using it.

Body Rental

2008-03-06 10:20 • by apetrelli
Now I know what "body rental" thingy, so typical in Italy, is all about.
Now I have to investigate what The Body Shop sells.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:20 • by Hexamaniac (unregistered)
181633 in reply to 181626
Ooh, I know! C-tictactoe!


I prefer C-0x23.

Oops, time for some

CAFEBABE

Love,
FFFF FFFF

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:22 • by mccoyn (unregistered)
I'm a little disappointed he didn't ask what the letters in SQL stand for, just to be sure this guy knew absolutely nothing about it.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:23 • by DeLos
181635 in reply to 181621
FredSaw:
A candidate who is a SQL expert but can't do a SELECT. What do you do with him?

Buy him to lunch and keep considering him for the job, of course. Fist!


The things people will do for a free (company paid) lunch!

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:23 • by Karellen (unregistered)
I prefer C-hash or C-octothorpe.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:24 • by Simetrical
"I think I have some work he can do" sounded like a setup for a non-WTFy ending (from the company's point of view). I thought the next part was going to say how he was the new janitor or something. But no, we're dropped straight to the hiring with no explanation. Didn't the boss have some reason not to interview the next guy? Was there a next guy?

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:24 • by Smeghead (unregistered)
In UK that would be C-Hash ;)

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:25 • by Smeghead (unregistered)
I'm also sure that we have hired Corey and all his friends and family recently :(

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:27 • by McGuffin (unregistered)
But did he say "see-kwal" or "ess-cue-ell"?

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:30 • by boh
What datatype would you use to store a string of characters?


Can I only choose one? Otherwise, it depends on what I want to do with it:

CString, char*, std::string, BSTR*, CComBSTR, _bstr_t, BSTR wrapped in a VARIANT, various string classes supplied by libraries such as Xerces or TinyXml, whatever...

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:33 • by pitchingchris
181643 in reply to 181627
Jim:

Just because he didn't use XML before doesn't make him weak.


Maybe not, but XML was around even back in VB 6.0, and if this company did most of its stuff in xml, they should at least expact a basic understanding of the topic. Most programming books mention and even scratch the surface on what you can use XML with the language. Doesn't seem like Corey was volunteering any strong experience anyway.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:33 • by Mateo_LeFou
alas, is this joint void of *nixers? No one's suggested the obvious

"C-she"

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:34 • by SomeCoder (unregistered)
I feel like this story just abruptly ends. How did SQL get on his resume? How did a "VB to C#" typo get on there?

Good WTF, I just feel like it ended without all the details being told.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:39 • by Rik (unregistered)
We could do with a new body.
Any body!

A body of water!

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:39 • by A. Heinz (unregistered)
181647 in reply to 181624
SnapShot:
So which is it, C Sharp, C pound, C hash, C number sign or C octothorp?


No, it's clearly C-mesh.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:39 • by ObiWayneKenobi
SomeCoder:

I feel like this story just abruptly ends. How did SQL get on his resume? How did a "VB to C#" typo get on there?


If the guy was sent there via a recruiting firm, that might be why. I've heard that a lot of these headhunters will add buzzwords to a candidate's resume, in order to increase the chance of you getting hired - even if you get canned in three months because you can't do the job, the headhunter's already been paid their fee.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:41 • by Outlaw Programmer
181650 in reply to 181645
SomeCoder:
I feel like this story just abruptly ends. How did SQL get on his resume? How did a "VB to C#" typo get on there?

Good WTF, I just feel like it ended without all the details being told.


I think it's pretty obvious this guy just dropped a whole bunch of buzzwords on his resume without knowing the technologies or even knowing what they are.

It's a pretty standard practice but the WTF here is that they recognized this guy was full of crap and they hired him anyway.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:44 • by Rootbeer
181652 in reply to 181627
Jim:
1 - If you have only ever really learned from books, you may be very proficient, but wouldn't know the difference between C-Sharp or C-Pound.


It would be pretty hard to find a book on C# that doesn't explain in the preface (if not on the jacket) that the language's name is pronounced "C sharp".

2 - Programming is programming. As long as the person knows how to code, picking up new languages is pretty simple.


Agreed, but I didn't see anything in the story that indicated Corey knew how to code in ANY language.

Besides which, individual languages may not vary much except for syntax, but there are a variety of language paradigms (procedural, object-oriented, declarative), and knowledge of or even expertise in one does not guarantee that someone will be capable of developing in others.

Corey isn't a weak candidate because he's never worked with XML before. He's a weak candidate because it's 2008 and he doesn't have the foggiest idea what XML even IS.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:44 • by Anon Fred (unregistered)
181653 in reply to 181624
SnapShot:
So which is it, C Sharp, C pound, C hash, C number sign or C octothorp?


You idiot.

It's C tic-tac-toe sign.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:46 • by Anon Fred (unregistered)
181655 in reply to 181653
Anon Fred:
SnapShot:
So which is it, C Sharp, C pound, C hash, C number sign or C octothorp?


You idiot.

It's C tic-tac-toe sign.


Nuts, you guys beat me to it. I swear I searched for that string before commenting but assumed y'all'd use my punctuation. Sorry for the pollution.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:49 • by jason (unregistered)
Even if you never heard it pronounced, you can tell its c sharp, from the visual studio file extension .cs. I mean, if it was c pound, it would be .cp.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:50 • by shakin
181657 in reply to 181624
SnapShot:
So which is it, C Sharp, C pound, C hash, C number sign or C octothorp?


I prefer C3. It sounds almost explosive that way.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:52 • by Andy Goth
181658 in reply to 181655
Anon Fred:
It's C tic-tac-toe sign. [...] Nuts, you guys beat me to it. I swear I searched for that string before commenting but assumed y'all'd use my punctuation. Sorry for the pollution.
I didn't want to pollute my post with excess punctuation. :^)

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:52 • by Obviously... (unregistered)
181659 in reply to 181624
SnapShot:
So which is it, C Sharp, C pound, C hash, C number sign or C octothorp?


... it's C tic-tac-toe

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:53 • by savar
181660 in reply to 181624
SnapShot:
So which is it, C Sharp, C pound, C hash, C number sign or C octothorp?


edit: comment withdrawn ( i should read all the comments before making my tic-tac-toe jokes)

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:54 • by Haditinspades (unregistered)
Had a nearly identical experience, except I wasn't asked to sit in on the interview; the new body just suddenly appeared one day. After six months of attempting to explain daily such things as how to navigate the Windows desktop and how to check code in and out of source control, I surrendered and emailed my resignation.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:55 • by Pawel (unregistered)
181662 in reply to 181660
I always thought it was spelled: C plus plus plus plus

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:55 • by XIU
181663 in reply to 181625
Andy Goth:
Seriously, it took me a couple years to figure out that C# really is pronounced "C-sharp". I had assumed "C-pound" on account of "C-sharp" being too punny and already in use for several projects.

I can't figure out if that disqualifies me from commenting here or makes me a valued asset to the WTF community.


The giveaway is probably the extension though or .cs should stand for "Cpound classeS"

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:58 • by KTC (unregistered)
"I think I have some work he can do."

Response with "He'll have a lot of work he can do if you hire him as I'll be gone that very day."?

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 10:59 • by yougetme? (unregistered)
181666 in reply to 181624
<quote>
So which is it, C Sharp, C pound, C hash, C number sign or C octothorp?
</quote>

None of the above, its C-tic-tac-toe-board

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:00 • by DOA
181667 in reply to 181650
Outlaw Programmer:
It's a pretty standard practice but the WTF here is that they recognized this guy was full of crap and they hired him anyway.


This is what happens when the boss doesn't listen to the employee he put in charge of screening candidates. This really annoys me sometimes. If you're gonna put someone in charge of making a decision, listen to them. Otherwise just do the job yourself and don't waste his time.

Still it could be worse. My boss whose last programming project was in BASIC when he was a kid, hired a developer without asking any of his developer staff. No interview either, he just knew the guy from somewhere. Turns out that despite some programming experience he hasn't a clue when it comes to the technologies we use.

A few near misses later (think 4 letter admin passwords on public sites) we're all a little bit wiser. And I keep my eye on him.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:02 • by James Bender (unregistered)
OK, I'm calling BS on this one.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:02 • by CorXy (unregistered)
C Brady Bunch? Anyone?

Clearly the problem with Corey was the "e" in his name. We Corys are much more knowledgeable and efficient.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:04 • by Mizchief (unregistered)
181672 in reply to 181624
SnapShot:
So which is it, C Sharp, C pound, C hash, C number sign or C octothorp?


Naa, it's C-deez nutz

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:05 • by RP (unregistered)
181673 in reply to 181624
MS calls it "C sharp"

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:05 • by Zylon
181674 in reply to 181666
yougetme?:
<quote>
So which is it, C Sharp, C pound, C hash, C number sign or C octothorp?
</quote>

None of the above, its C-tic-tac-toe-board

You fail this thread.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:07 • by sol (unregistered)
181675 in reply to 181656
Even if you never heard it pronounced, you can tell its c sharp, from the visual studio file extension .cs. I mean, if it was c pound, it would be .cp.


To be fair, people without any musical background and no knowledge of the sharp sign would not know how to pronounce it. The ".cs" file extension only hints that it might not be "C pound" or "C hash", but does not indicate what the "s" stands for.

Interestingly, my girlfriend, who has no programming experience but lots of music experience immediately pronoucned it as "C sharp", and then assumed she'd gotten it wrong.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:09 • by SomeCoder (unregistered)
181676 in reply to 181648
ObiWayneKenobi:
SomeCoder:

I feel like this story just abruptly ends. How did SQL get on his resume? How did a "VB to C#" typo get on there?


If the guy was sent there via a recruiting firm, that might be why. I've heard that a lot of these headhunters will add buzzwords to a candidate's resume, in order to increase the chance of you getting hired - even if you get canned in three months because you can't do the job, the headhunter's already been paid their fee.



Yeah that's what I was expecting the story to say but it never did. You're probably right.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:12 • by akatherder
You rarely see anyone hired entirely out of pity.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:12 • by feep (unregistered)
181679 in reply to 181624
C plus plus plus plus :)

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:15 • by E.M.H. (unregistered)
181680 in reply to 181624
C tic-tac-toe
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