- Feature Articles
- CodeSOD
- Error'd
- Forums
-
Other Articles
- Random Article
- Other Series
- Alex's Soapbox
- Announcements
- Best of…
- Best of Email
- Best of the Sidebar
- Bring Your Own Code
- Coded Smorgasbord
- Mandatory Fun Day
- Off Topic
- Representative Line
- News Roundup
- Editor's Soapbox
- Software on the Rocks
- Souvenir Potpourri
- Sponsor Post
- Tales from the Interview
- The Daily WTF: Live
- Virtudyne
Admin
Admin
You may not get a job, but at least you'll not have to suffer the indignity of saying/writing "SELECT * FROM ..."
Admin
MMMmmmmmm, C hash.
Admin
I was hired, despite my lack of Java, being told what I mentioned, though, I came from C++, and was told I inherently know Java. If ALL they know is VB, or any single language for that matter, then maybe you have a point. However, if they seem to have a wide range of languages (any decent programmer should have at LEAST 2, if not more), any decent programmer should be able to pick up any language you need, unless it is a huge paradigm shift, such as web programming to mainframe programming, OO to functional, etc.
Admin
You fail at music.
C sharp is a half-step above C, not a half octave. C is a full active above C and visa-versa. B flat is a step and a half below C sharp.
Admin
And the question is: what happens when you let an intern work unsupervised for months?
Admin
C Tic-Tac-Toe
Admin
Doesn't matter, as long as it's not VB.
Admin
Reminds me of my former job. They had crazy worker turnaround - 5 of us left in a few months.
Admin
C Plus Plus Plus Plus
Admin
I love this thread. It's like a perfectly distilled head-on collision between our resident wannabe-but-clueless "geeks" ("It's tic-tac-toe!" "It's tic-tac-toe!" "It's tic-tac-toe!" "It's tic-tac-toe!" "It's tic-tac-toe!"), and the actual geeks who are at least attempting to be somewhat clever about it.
Admin
Say someone has close to 10 years programming experience, primarily in Java and Perl, with a working knowledge of C, C++, Lisp, Pascal (why not), a bunch of the HTML markup scripts (ASP, PHP, ColdFusion, etc) and the DHTML-related dialects.
Would you seriously not hire that person to write, let's say, Python? (Assuming they are, in fact, competent in the above, of course.)
I'm always weary of people who, when describing themselves as a programmer, qualify it with a language. Programming isn't learning syntax.
Admin
They needed a body .. fear
Admin
Maybe. A CFO makes high-level financial decisions along the lines of allocating $X to this department and $Y to that project, and so on. If the IT department asks for something like a new server, the CFO doesn't necessarily need to know what it is, just how much the IT department needs it, how much it will benefit the company, and whether it is more important than various other things the CFO needs to spend money on.
Admin
thought Gato was spanish for cat.... maybe you know another spanish
Admin
Admin
Have you ever checked what flat-D is? (www.flat-d.com)
Admin
I didn't try that... grumbles I should have. If I ever get into that situation again, I'll definitely consider it...
Because what I did do was set up an application that helped our "programmers" set up clients on our "portal." shiver Gobs of WTF-ery involved, I'm sure. Before that it was done by fat-fingering and copy-pasting records into a single, bloated 1NF SQL database, which, to me was even more WTF-itude. Then, when that and other applications I built (in my personal time) had prospered for long enough, I added up all the time I saved and created a report on how much money I would save the company if I were put to the task of solely developing internal software which would make processes standard and efficient. I had already saved the company over 4000 man hours for the year, there's no way they wouldn't let me do that, right? Wrong. They caught my game. They found out I just wanted my own department away from the mayhem and destruction and said, "N-O." And stamped it.
I cried and hollered, but it fell on deaf ears. When my two year mark came around, I was out the door. Despite all the hardship, I loved that place. It was a lot of fun. Stressful, but fun. But man did I ever get baptized by fire.
I did check back about a year ago and heard that they now have a whole team of people doing what I proposed to do myself. At least I never had to manage anyone.
Admin
Admin
Admin
duh! It's C tic tac toe!
Admin
no it's C++++.
Admin
A CFO pays an IT staff to understand what it is. Just like a developer shouldn't be expected to understand the discount cash flow model intimately, a CFO shouldn't be expected to understand the in's and out's of technology.
They are paid to make business decisions on what benefits the company. Because if it doesnt somehow have value to the company then its not worth doing.
Admin
The read WTF is an ad on the front page, of www . ezgsa . com, which reminds me of another recent WFT (Government suppliers guide).
Admin
I bet he doesn't even know what ESPN stands for.
Sheesh.
Admin
Your mistake, of course, is that you expected to be promoted to head of your own department and not have to handle mayhem and destruction, aka Politics.
People should practice political skill to be promoted to that sort of position. Otherwise, the best you could do is redefine your job description but stay in the same department, and that's if your manager is sympathetic.
Admin
It is D Flat.
Admin
His type always, always says "see-kwal".
Admin
No, you're not even close. It's either C web or C net.
Admin
Gato is spanish for cat, but Gato can mean a lot of things depending on which country you are...
For example, in Argentina they also call Gato to women who sell theirselves for big amounts of money to spend the night with, or even the jack to lift the car when you get a flat tire.
-- End of useless information, for now --
Admin
cocktothorpe gets my vote.
Admin
C-blog? C-2.0? C-intertubes?
Seriously, lets keep this awesome humor goldmine rolling! C-your mama!
Admin
Admin
Is anyone else getting a Billy Madison "dumber for having read this thread" feeling?
Admin
Try using strings in C or Assembly for an embedded chip without native string support in the compiler.
I'm not talking about ancient coding practices here - most computers are embedded.
Admin
I have also seen it used in engineering to refer to a pound. (weight or mass) This is going back 20+ years.
Admin
Nah, my parents were married for about two years before I was born.
I have noticed that some other folks have started calling it D-flat in the thread, which is kind of cool. That's my second meme.
I'm a musician as well, so it was the first thing I thought of was the enharmonic equivalent. By the way, that guy who went on about the octaves and the B-flat thing was totally out to lunch. You could say that a Bb instrument playing in treble clef would play an Eb / D# to play C# major. There might be other instruments where the Bb thing would be true, but I'm not interested in spending my lunch looking it up.
Admin
NO YOURE ARE!
Admin
"...that the men of Gilead said unto him, Art thou an Ephraimite? If he said, Nay; Then said they unto him, Say now Shibboleth: and he said Sibboleth: for he could not frame to pronounce it right. Then they took him, and slew him at the passages of Jordan: and there fell at that time of the Ephraimites forty and two thousand."
It's not a test. It's a shibboleth.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shibboleth
Admin
it's C fence
Admin
i'm saying that anyone who says 'programming is programming' is fundamentally mistaken. it's not. i've seen enough C-savvy programmers write procedural java, and it's not pretty (not trying to pick on C programmers, i admire them for what they can do)
Admin
That is one of my favorite print vs spoken confusions. When you write, which is correct?
Depends on how you pronounce "SQL" in your mind when you read it. When I'm speaking (and pay attention), it seems that I use them interchangeably.
Admin
i think we actually agree. i'm saying i wouldn't hire someone who thinks that it's all about syntax. i am not saying i wouldn't hire someone who wasn't expert at whatever language my project is using. the guy i interviewed knew the language i was looking for (yeah, it's java), but he saw it as just another syntax to throw his bad idea of software engineering around in, and his statement that he could program in pretty much any old language i had was indicative to me that he didn't understand some fundamentals of software development.
Admin
Are You Sure! Where are your references?!
Admin
Admin
Right.
I know once I learned my first language I was forever stuck. Unable to learn a new one. Simply confounded when new syntactic structures were presented to me. Unable to fathom the same conceptual design under a different tongue. Aye, in other words: no hablo. </sarcasm>
Some languages have a larger barrier to entry than others, and if you mean that for one to say they can come in and immediately be productive and useful when making a huge switch is absurd then I would agree. However, if the person is a good developer, they should have little trouble picking up the missing pieces, putting them together, and becoming productive in fairly short order as long as the language is around the same level (meaning high to low level languages) as the one they are transitioning from. Going from VB to ASM is quite a leap, but VB to Java is perfectly reasonable. I will concede, however, that there are some syntaxes and language structures that can pose quite a mental block when switching from some language types to others. C style languages to something like Ruby or LISP, for example.
Admin
Procedural programming is procedural programming Functional programming is functional programming Mainframe programming is mainframe programming Object oriented programming is object oriented programming
Happy? "Programming is programming" seemed to save me keystrokes when I wrote it. I suspected people would be able to realize what I meant. Anyway, any decent programmer will realize that Java is inherently different from C, in that one is procedural, and the other is object oriented, and will adjust their thinking accordingly. Trying to force procedural programming in an object oriented world is dumb, and vice versa.
Admin
Which guy was out to lunch? Me, speaking from a music-theory/composing perspective, or the guy I responded to?
Admin
No, wait, now I've got it. You wanted to tell us, "Know your arse." I'm sure you do.
Admin