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Although Brice hadn't been on the job for very long, he'd gotten pretty comfortable with leading technical interviews. He'd quickly compiled a stock set of questions that could weed out the hacks. Questions that immediately disqualify you for the position if you get them wrong: What is your first name? Name a .NET language. Questions that almost certainly disqualify you if you get them wrong: What datatype would you use to store a string of characters? Is it C sharp or C pound? [expand full text]
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Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:16 • by E.M.H. (unregistered)
181681 in reply to 181680
E.M.H.:
C tic-tac-toe


Awww, crud, someone above beat me to it... :(

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:18 • by Xaox (unregistered)
181682 in reply to 181640
I've always liked "ess-cue-ell", here's why:

CFO - "$accountingSystemVendor says we need a 'MS-sequal' server. Why do we need another server if we already have one?"

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:18 • by Zauderer
I'd recommend C Raute.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:21 • by Zylon
SQL should clearly be pronounced "squill".

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:21 • by Matthew (unregistered)
181685 in reply to 181624
C Tick-Tak-Toe

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:22 • by eekee (unregistered)
Okay, this isn't precisely relevant to this article, but I've got to say it some time. The very fact that # even could be described as a pound sign is a huge WTF to me! As far as I can tell, the only way it got that name was via ancient 7-bit ascii printers, which sometimes substituted the pound sign for the hash character. How it could have spread from that to such widespread usage, I don't know, unless perhaps it was an acceptable substitute for the true pound sign for a long time before that. Still seems a case of extreme carelessness on the part of a great many people for # to aquire the name "pound sign".

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:23 • by FredSaw
181687 in reply to 181670
CorXy:
C Brady Bunch? Anyone?

Clearly the problem with Corey was the "e" in his name. We Corys are much more knowledgeable and efficient.
So CorXy must be how it's spelled in l337, eh?

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:25 • by FredSaw
181688 in reply to 181682
Xaox:
I've always liked "ess-cue-ell", here's why:

CFO - "$accountingSystemVendor says we need a 'MS-sequal' server. Why do we need another server if we already have one?"
How does saying "ess cue ell" change the CFO's understanding of the word "server"?

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:29 • by dabigjhall (unregistered)
181689 in reply to 181624
Clearly, the only correct answer is C waffle.

Mmmm....waffles....

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:33 • by Kederaji
It's pronounced C-durIdon'treadthethreadbeforeposting.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:36 • by Reader X (unregistered)
181692 in reply to 181686
eekee:
Okay, this isn't precisely relevant to this article, but I've got to say it some time. The very fact that # even could be described as a pound sign is a huge WTF to me! As far as I can tell, the only way it got that name was via ancient 7-bit ascii printers, which sometimes substituted the pound sign for the hash character. How it could have spread from that to such widespread usage, I don't know, unless perhaps it was an acceptable substitute for the true pound sign for a long time before that. Still seems a case of extreme carelessness on the part of a great many people for # to aquire the name "pound sign".


# was used for pound back in the days when the apothecary wrote out your order in longhand with a pencil on a scrap of paper.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:37 • by Keith (unregistered)
OK, this is a pound sign -> £
This is a hash sign -> #
This is a sharp sign -> ♯ (Unicode U+266F)

.. the sharp sign isn't supported by all fonts so you'll probably get a block or something there.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:39 • by Paolo G (unregistered)
181694 in reply to 181627
Jim:
1 - If you have only ever really learned from books, you may be very proficient, but wouldn't know the difference between C-Sharp or C-Pound.


Come on, any decent book on C# is going to explain in the introduction how to pronounce it.

Here's a question... what do American's call "£"? *That* is the pound sign (and was the pound sign long before the US was even a twinkle in the Founding Fathers' eyes...).

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:41 • by pscs
181695 in reply to 181686
eekee:
Still seems a case of extreme carelessness on the part of a great many people for # to aquire the name "pound sign".


According to wikipedia, the "pound sign" is referring to the lb pounds, not the GBP pounds.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:43 • by Paolo G (unregistered)
181696 in reply to 181694
Paolo G:
what do American's call "£"


Oops... always proofread before posting... that should be "Americans", of course.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:44 • by poochner
181697 in reply to 181686
eekee:
Okay, this isn't precisely relevant to this article, but I've got to say it some time. The very fact that # even could be described as a pound sign is a huge WTF to me! As far as I can tell, the only way it got that name was via ancient 7-bit ascii printers, which sometimes substituted the pound sign for the hash character. How it could have spread from that to such widespread usage, I don't know, unless perhaps it was an acceptable substitute for the true pound sign for a long time before that. Still seems a case of extreme carelessness on the part of a great many people for # to aquire the name "pound sign".


Similarly, the # was used for pounds weight, not pounds sterling, on bills of lading, invoices and so on. I've never known it to be used for money, though I have seen keyboards with the sterling sign at shift-3, rather than the hash.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:45 • by Paolo G (unregistered)
181698 in reply to 181695
pscs:
eekee:
Still seems a case of extreme carelessness on the part of a great many people for # to aquire the name "pound sign".


According to wikipedia, the "pound sign" is referring to the lb pounds, not the GBP pounds.


Not so, unless someone has edited it since you posted:

"It is never called the pound sign in the UK, where that term always denotes the symbol for pounds sterling (£) rather than that for pounds weight (lb)."

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:45 • by Divide By Zero (unregistered)
This site needs more pictures like the hot Irish girl.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:46 • by Pope (unregistered)
181700 in reply to 181669
James Bender:
OK, I'm calling BS on this one.


And I'm going to disagree with you. At my first job, they hired people that got fired from the previous job of answering phones, and every one of those tools had a similar sob story. A large company in the area had a LOT of layoffs and we got a lot of "programmers." I wasn't in the interview process, but I can imagine the questions a little like this, "Have you seen a computer before? [...] What is a 'mouse'?" I say that because the other 2 good programmers and I put in a great deal of extra work on our hands putting out fires, mentoring and just straight doing other people's work, then when they FINALLY strolled out at 4:35 - "I hope the boss doesn't see me leave early" - we could actually get some work done.

But, we needed people. Our company was growing at a rate that we couldn't sustain and the answer was to put more people in the mix. I've heard that even to this day management views the title of Programmer as slightly more experienced than Janitor, concerning computers. Even after they lost half of their business from several outages and other crises.

Out.
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Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:49 • by FredSaw
181701 in reply to 181694
Paolo G:
Here's a question... what do American's call "£"? *That* is the pound sign (and was the pound sign long before the US was even a twinkle in the Founding Fathers' eyes...).
We don't call it anything. We don't use it. What do you call this? $

Examples of its use:
$100
$get(chkApproval);
Dim SomeString$
$accountingSystemVendor

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:50 • by jpk (unregistered)
181702 in reply to 181669
That's bull sharp, right?

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:51 • by dabean
God I hope "C tic-tac-toe" doesn't become a meme.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:52 • by ddd (unregistered)
181704 in reply to 181624
It's C-hurdle

Captcha:
He pointed his wand at his vile standrads-mangling enemy, and yelled "conventio!"

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:52 • by Cope with IT (unregistered)
181705 in reply to 181624
C batten fence

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:52 • by masonReloaded (unregistered)
181706 in reply to 181640
Doesn't matter, both are widely used and "ess-cue-ell" is the 'official pronunciation':

"SQL was adopted as a standard by ANSI in 1986 and ISO in 1987. In the original SQL standard, ANSI declared that the official pronunciation for SQL is "es queue el". However, many English-speaking database professionals still use the nonstandard pronunciation /ˈsiːkwəl/ (like the word "sequel")"

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:54 • by Manu (unregistered)
That's what SHE said !

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:54 • by Yawarakai (unregistered)
181708 in reply to 181624
C tic-tac-toe board!

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:55 • by T (unregistered)
181710 in reply to 181624
I thought it was C tic-tac-toe

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:57 • by themagni
181711 in reply to 181624
SnapShot:
So which is it, C Sharp, C pound, C hash, C number sign or C octothorp?


I call it D flat.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 11:59 • by tezoatlipoca (unregistered)
C-grid!

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 12:01 • by notJoeKing (unregistered)
181713 in reply to 181691
Kederaji:
It's pronounced C-durIdon'treadthethreadbeforeposting.


This made me LOL... has anyone mentioned C-tictactoe or C-plusplusplusplus yet? Cause I think I'm hilareous and I need to post those RIGHT AWAY without seeing if someone beat me to it!!!!

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 12:03 • by Jimmy L (unregistered)
We should commend Brice for leaving (I'm assuming he left voluntarily). That's like walking into a McDonald's and hiring the first asshole you see... Just make sure he has a custody hearing and other real-life problems.

WTF: Why couldn't that guy just go get a job at McDonald's like a real man would?

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Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 12:05 • by A Gould (unregistered)
181716 in reply to 181637
Simetrical:
"I think I have some work he can do" sounded like a setup for a non-WTFy ending (from the company's point of view). I thought the next part was going to say how he was the new janitor or something. But no, we're dropped straight to the hiring with no explanation. Didn't the boss have some reason not to interview the next guy? Was there a next guy?


James Bender:
OK, I'm calling BS on this one.


I buy it - it's amazing how "we only hire the right person" turns into "we need a body". They tend to forget that "we can train them" requires that the person is trainable for the job. Also, you need the extra hours required for existing staff to train the new staff.

It's been a year since our last "need a guy" left, and we're still finding little landmines in the filing...

(For the original story, I had him pegged for assistant myself. Assistant manager, I mean. :)

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 12:06 • by WPlinge (unregistered)
Anything *except* C-sharp simply for having the temerity to attempt inflicting that on people.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 12:10 • by mathew (unregistered)
181719 in reply to 181624
I deliberately call it C hash, because it's a crude hash of C and Java.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 12:13 • by Mike (unregistered)
Since it is spelled/typed: "C#", it can't be called C "sharp" because there's no "sharp" key on any computer keyboards.... there's a symbol that looks similar to a sharp sign but if it were a sharp sign, then keyboards would have flat signs and natural signs too.

So, it has to be anything *but* "C sharp".

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 12:15 • by MarkLD (unregistered)
If MS had wanted to call it "C Pound", surely they would have called if C£. i.e. using a British currency symbol.

So how did Americans get to pronounce the "hash symbol" as "pound" anyway?

Whenever I see it used in American stuff, it seems to mean "number", as in "Issue #1"...

Anyway, it's clearly derived from C++ with an extra ++. So if you didn't call it "C Sharp" it would have to be "C plus plus plus plus".

How about "C plus fours"?

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 12:15 • by Ren (unregistered)
I used to call it C-swastika.

I wonder why I never got that job as a java+c#-developer...

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 12:18 • by Xorandnotor (unregistered)
181725 in reply to 181624
Octothorpe? First time I hear that one. I *love* it.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 12:20 • by Gamma (unregistered)
I suggest firing the person who interviewed and hired the boss.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 12:21 • by m (unregistered)
So what is it?

The Daily WTF, or Worse Than Failure?

Remember... if you HESITATE for even a SPLIT SECOND, Alex will destroy you. And then ask you to spell Papadimoulis.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 12:22 • by Harsh Responder (unregistered)
181728 in reply to 181625
Andy Goth:
Seriously, it took me a couple years to figure out that C# really is pronounced "C-sharp". I had assumed "C-pound" on account of "C-sharp" being too punny and already in use for several projects.

I can't figure out if that disqualifies me from commenting here or makes me a valued asset to the WTF community.


Both. We always need someone or something to comment on.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 12:23 • by m (unregistered)
> Is it C sharp or C pound?

'true'.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 12:31 • by Flashback (unregistered)
I believe this story. Just reading it gave me a flashback to when I was hiring for the programming team I managed. The big boss decided to come for the interview and nearly hired a guy with next to no programming experience.

I told the big boss hiring the guy was a huge mistake; the big boss (by a miracle of God?) agreed to give him a project on a consulting basis instead of hiring the guy.

After the guy missed two appointments to discuss the project; no call, no show, the boss finally said, "Good thing we didn't hire that guy, huh?"

I didn't care that the boss was an idiot. I was just relieved that it only took two missed phone calls instead of four weeks of training.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 12:32 • by Moo (unregistered)
181731 in reply to 181624
D-flat

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 12:33 • by Dave (unregistered)
181732 in reply to 181624
It's pronounced C-sharp.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 12:34 • by Tei (unregistered)
Here in spain is "C-almohadilla", hence back in english is C-pillow. Good nights guyszzzZZZZ!

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 12:37 • by WhiskeyJack
181735 in reply to 181667
DOA:
...we're all a little bit wiser. And I keep my eye on him.


My favourite quote is a signature phrase from the Cold War days -- "Trust, but verify." Apparently Ronald Reagan used to say it a lot.

I have found it to be an immensely useful life motto.

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 12:38 • by Peers (unregistered)
181736 in reply to 181624
C Tic-Tac-Toe, I thought...

Re: We Need a Body

2008-03-06 12:39 • by Alcari (unregistered)
181737 in reply to 181652
Rootbeer:

It would be pretty hard to find a book on C# that doesn't explain in the preface (if not on the jacket) that the language's name is pronounced "C sharp".


You would be hard pressed to find anyone who reads the preface of coding books.
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